[19:02] <leblinux> hello hows everyone
[19:09] <Armageddon> hello
[19:10] <leblinux> hey whatsup?
[19:11] <Armageddon> not much
[19:11] <leblinux> are you on 12.04?
[19:12] <Armageddon> no, what do you need ?
[19:12] <leblinux> just wanted to know your feedback
[19:12] <leblinux> its been a while for me since I came here
[19:13] <Armageddon> I haven't used Ubuntu for over 4 yers
[19:13] <Armageddon> years*
[19:14] <Armageddon> my feedback has been the same since the 9.10 when they started to change, I don't approve or agree to the lack of freedom
[19:14] <Armageddon> and policies followed by canonical
[19:15] <leblinux> so what your using now?
[19:15] <Armageddon> those are not only my views, a lot of the coders and maintainers left because they didn't agree either (notably, head manager of the XFCE spin)
[19:15] <Armageddon> leblinux, whois me
[19:15] <leblinux> ok
[19:15] <leblinux> ah gentoo
[19:16] <leblinux> seems your fine with it
[19:16] <leblinux> getting along ;>
[19:16] <Armageddon> so far so good
[19:16] <Armageddon> never disappointed
[19:17] <Armageddon> when you build your own system it's usually your fault if you get disappointed
[19:17] <leblinux> as long as your customizing it the way u want ... u'll never be dissap..
[19:17] <leblinux> 100%
[19:18] <leblinux> so you code on it?
[19:19] <Armageddon> sometimes, I also have my own repository for Gentoo with packages I created
[19:19] <Armageddon> which is public and anyone can add it easily
[19:19] <leblinux> :)
[19:19] <leblinux> nice
[19:19] <leblinux> what packages?
[19:19] <leblinux> like for what?
[19:19] <Armageddon> I have vim-qt a live build
[19:20] <Armageddon> I also have hmm
[19:20] <Armageddon> lemme look
[19:21] <Armageddon> key-mon
[19:21] <Armageddon> luainotify
[19:21] <Armageddon> flowblade and subdownloader
[19:21] <Armageddon> gnome-connection-manager and teamviewer
[19:21] <Armageddon> udevil
[19:22] <Armageddon> subdownloader and udevil are in the official tree now as well and I'm the maintainer
[19:22] <Armageddon> and grandr patched
[19:22] <Armageddon> even though grandr is now obsolete
[19:22] <leblinux> so most of them purpose of editing?
[19:23] <leblinux> ok vim is for editing
[19:23] <leblinux> key-mon? udevil? flowblade?
[19:23] <Armageddon> that's the only one for editing
[19:23] <leblinux> wha do they do.
[19:24] <Armageddon> key-mon shows you the keyboard strokes on the screen
[19:24] <Armageddon> very helpful if you do screencasts like me
[19:24] <leblinux> even passwords ;>
[19:24] <Armageddon> it's a keyboard on the screen
[19:24] <Armageddon> not a keylogger
[19:24] <Armageddon> if you're doing a presentation on a window manager and want to show people what you are hitting
[19:25] <leblinux> ohh
[19:25] <leblinux> got it
[19:25] <leblinux> udevil?
[19:25] <Armageddon> udevil is a standalone application mainly used by spacefm which is made by the same coder, makes it easier to mount/umount all sorts of things
[19:25] <Armageddon> flash drivers, drivers, samba drives, ftp etc...
[19:26] <Armageddon> not drivers
[19:26] <Armageddon> I meant partition drives
[19:26] <leblinux> this is a nice one
[19:26] <leblinux> why did u call it udevil?
[19:26] <Armageddon> I didn't, the coder did
[19:26] <leblinux> and your maintaining it now
[19:26] <Armageddon> only on Gentoo
[19:27] <leblinux> ok
[19:27] <Armageddon> I make the package for it for Gentoo
[19:27] <leblinux> have you tried the new kernel 3.6?
[19:27] <Armageddon> on it now
[19:27] <Armageddon> I need to try 3.6.1
[19:27] <leblinux> I want to try the sleep-hybrid feature
[19:27] <leblinux> nice
[19:27] <leblinux> did u try it?
[19:28] <Armageddon> I'm having issues with my hardware, this is a new laptop
[19:28] <Armageddon> if the 3.6.1 doesn't solve the problems I'm reporting them
[19:28] <leblinux> mmm
[19:28] <leblinux> hhhh
[19:28] <leblinux> should support
[19:28] <leblinux> your laptop is the icore one with usb 3.0?
[19:29] <Armageddon> something like that but that's not the issue, I know what the issue is
[19:29] <leblinux> whats the issue?
[19:29] <Armageddon> msi
[19:29] <leblinux> in what hardware
[19:29] <leblinux> msi related to?
[19:29] <Armageddon> msi <--- that's the problem
[19:29] <leblinux> :>
[19:30] <leblinux> msi is a chip on the Motherboard? or something releated to vga/sound/acpi?
[19:30] <Armageddon> no, it's also a part of the kernel
[19:31] <Armageddon> there is a part called msi
[19:31] <leblinux> ok
[19:32] <leblinux> do you get any users having same problem with msi if you google?
[19:32] <Armageddon> I never checked
[19:32] <leblinux> ;>
[19:33] <Armageddon> but it doesn't really matter, there is no solution other than a patch in the kernel as far as I know
[19:33] <Armageddon> but I might be wrong
[19:33] <leblinux> ya
[19:33] <Armageddon> MSI stands for Message Signaled Interrupts
[19:33] <leblinux> sounds very important :) the core of the kernel purpose
[19:34] <Armageddon> meh
[19:34] <Armageddon> works fine until shutdown
[19:34] <Armageddon> so it's not a biggy
[19:34] <leblinux> it never shuts?
[19:34] <Armageddon> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/21574440/Screenshots/screenshot-10.11.12-15.33.27.png
[19:34] <Armageddon> kernel panics on shutdown
[19:34] <leblinux> damn
[19:35] <Armageddon> it's probably cause the shutdown sequence of stuff should be in a certain list and it's not doing that
[19:35] <Armageddon> a little quark should fix it if they know what the problem is that is :p
[19:36] <leblinux> i see
[19:36] <Armageddon> and flowblade is a video editor
[19:36] <Armageddon> I think it's non-linear
[19:36] <Armageddon> some of those apps I added, I don't use myself but they were asked of me
[19:40] <leblinux> nice that you maintain them...
[19:41] <Armageddon> I have plans but I'm waiting for the moment to see
[19:41] <leblinux> plans like?
[19:42] <Armageddon> everything in due time
[19:42] <leblinux> ok
[19:42] <Armageddon> by the way, do I know you ?
[19:42] <leblinux> no
[19:42] <Armageddon> okay
[19:42] <leblinux> I talked once with you like 2 -3 yrs ago here.
[19:43] <leblinux> and I never showed up
[19:43] <Armageddon> do you use vim ?
[19:43] <leblinux> honestly
[19:43] <leblinux> I use nano
[19:43] <leblinux> I just edit the lines and save
[19:43] <leblinux> nothing fancy and nothing about coding
[19:43] <leblinux> just small time bash scripting.
[19:44] <Armageddon> I use vim for everything
[19:44] <leblinux> yep lots of linuxers do ;>
[19:44] <Armageddon> editing, coding, writing papers in LaTeX
[19:44] <leblinux> am fine with nano
[19:44] <leblinux> yah LaTeX is superb for editing the format you like, installed it for couple of people :> but never used it
[19:45] <Armageddon> LaTeX is a language by itself
[19:45] <leblinux> 100%
[19:45] <Armageddon> but I use it all the time and now I use vim with a plugin for LaTeX
[19:45] <Armageddon> makes it easier
[19:46] <leblinux> there are laTEX plugins for EMacs; I wonder how powerful would that be
[19:49] <leblinux> my connection on terranet is frustrating at this hour
[19:49] <leblinux> it only speeds up after 1:00 - 2:00 AM till 10:00
[19:50] <leblinux> then gets loaded by users and bandwidth decreases and I blame ogero
[19:50] <leblinux> :P
[19:50] <leblinux> does it happen to you?
[19:50] <Armageddon> I don't live in the country
[19:50] <leblinux> lucky you
[19:50] <leblinux> where?
[19:50] <Armageddon> I tried emacs for a while
[19:51] <Armageddon> I wanted to give it the benefit of the doubt
[19:51] <Armageddon> but I kept using the vim modes in it
[19:51] <leblinux> yah and?
[19:51] <leblinux> vim is faster
[19:51] <Armageddon> the keybindings are horrible
[19:51] <leblinux> doesn't load any ui
[19:51] <leblinux> :>
[19:51] <Armageddon> and I can do all the things I used to in emacs in vim if I want to
[19:51] <Armageddon> most of them are useless to me, like an IRC client
[19:51] <leblinux> yah vim is number 1 no doubt
[19:51] <Armageddon> why would I need that ? :o
[19:51] <leblinux> :>
[19:52] <leblinux> useless
[19:52] <Armageddon> the only thing I would agree on is that emacs is amazing but not for me
[19:52] <Armageddon> it's an amazing OS, it only needs a good editor :>
[19:53] <leblinux> vim for life ;>
[19:53] <leblinux> and nano for me ;>
[19:54] <leblinux> do you have a job?
[19:54] <leblinux> or you code and contribute from home only?
[19:54] <Armageddon> I don't give out personal information
[19:54] <leblinux> same
[19:54] <Armageddon> vim will be for you if you have 20 minutes of your time
[19:55] <Armageddon> and vim has a ui
[19:55] <Armageddon> it's called gvim
[19:55] <leblinux> dont like uis
[19:55] <Armageddon> it's the same package even though distributions put them as different ones
[19:55] <Armageddon> well some plugins need a ui
[19:55] <Armageddon> makes it easier sometimes
[19:55] <leblinux> MOUSE and clicks stalls me
[19:55] <Armageddon> I also use vim in firefox :>
[19:55] <Armageddon> Pentadactyl
[19:55] <leblinux> aha
[19:56] <Armageddon> there is one for thunderbird but I don't use it
[19:57] <leblinux> maybe for tb maintainers ;>
[19:57] <leblinux> wonder why ubuntu dropped evolution for thb
[19:57] <Armageddon> I don't use thunderbird
[19:57] <Armageddon> I never liked evolution even when I was using it
[19:57] <Armageddon> evolution was a requirement in Gnome
[19:58] <leblinux> yah
[19:58] <leblinux> your on gnome?
[19:58] <Armageddon> did you see the picture ?
[19:58] <Armageddon> :p
[19:59] <Armageddon> the screenoshot up there ^
[19:59] <leblinux> yah
[19:59] <Armageddon> does it look like gnome ? :p
[19:59] <leblinux> xfce
[19:59] <Armageddon> never
[19:59] <Armageddon> doesn't look like XFCE either
[19:59] <leblinux> never looked close
[20:00] <Armageddon> I don't use DEs
[20:01] <leblinux> so your on console?
[20:01] <leblinux> or some WM
[20:03] <Armageddon> awesome window manager
[20:03] <leblinux> :> never heard f it
[20:03] <leblinux> looks awesome ;>
[20:03] <Armageddon> I have a screencast about it
[20:08] <leblinux> my first WM was E16
[20:08] <leblinux> and was the amazing :> fancy
[20:09] <leblinux> with sound effects and UI
[20:09] <leblinux> afterstep was nice
[20:09] <leblinux> then dropped to e17 then gnome
[20:11] <Armageddon> well I went from DEs to WM
[20:11] <leblinux> lighter
[20:11] <leblinux> customizable
[20:13] <leblinux> you know I find out Linux is heaven for coders ... do you agree?
[20:13] <leblinux> I never succeeded in codeing ;/<
[20:15] <Armageddon> well it's not only for coders no, I wouldn't agree
[20:15] <Armageddon> I'm not a big coder, and I love it
[20:15] <Armageddon> it's a way of life
[20:16] <leblinux> but its the way coders want their OS to be
[20:16] <leblinux> its enough to know its built on files
[20:17] <Armageddon> not really, I like for a lot of reasons
[20:17] <Armageddon> and I contribute to it because I like it
[20:17] <leblinux> contribute by coding ;>
[20:18] <leblinux> patching/fixing/tweaking..etc
[20:18] <leblinux> I use it for sysadmin stuff. mostly... deploying/installing/configuring... love it.
[20:21] <Armageddon> no, by helping
[20:21] <Armageddon> I don't code anything
[20:21] <leblinux> you adding that too
[20:22] <Armageddon> well I do write the package ebuilds
[20:22] <Armageddon> but yea