[19:02] hello hows everyone [19:09] hello [19:10] hey whatsup? [19:11] not much [19:11] are you on 12.04? [19:12] no, what do you need ? [19:12] just wanted to know your feedback [19:12] its been a while for me since I came here [19:13] I haven't used Ubuntu for over 4 yers [19:13] years* [19:14] my feedback has been the same since the 9.10 when they started to change, I don't approve or agree to the lack of freedom [19:14] and policies followed by canonical [19:15] so what your using now? [19:15] those are not only my views, a lot of the coders and maintainers left because they didn't agree either (notably, head manager of the XFCE spin) [19:15] leblinux, whois me [19:15] ok [19:15] ah gentoo [19:16] seems your fine with it [19:16] getting along ;> [19:16] so far so good [19:16] never disappointed [19:17] when you build your own system it's usually your fault if you get disappointed [19:17] as long as your customizing it the way u want ... u'll never be dissap.. [19:17] 100% [19:18] so you code on it? [19:19] sometimes, I also have my own repository for Gentoo with packages I created [19:19] which is public and anyone can add it easily [19:19] :) [19:19] nice [19:19] what packages? [19:19] like for what? [19:19] I have vim-qt a live build [19:20] I also have hmm [19:20] lemme look [19:21] key-mon [19:21] luainotify [19:21] flowblade and subdownloader [19:21] gnome-connection-manager and teamviewer [19:21] udevil [19:22] subdownloader and udevil are in the official tree now as well and I'm the maintainer [19:22] and grandr patched [19:22] even though grandr is now obsolete [19:22] so most of them purpose of editing? [19:23] ok vim is for editing [19:23] key-mon? udevil? flowblade? [19:23] that's the only one for editing [19:23] wha do they do. [19:24] key-mon shows you the keyboard strokes on the screen [19:24] very helpful if you do screencasts like me [19:24] even passwords ;> [19:24] it's a keyboard on the screen [19:24] not a keylogger [19:24] if you're doing a presentation on a window manager and want to show people what you are hitting [19:25] ohh [19:25] got it [19:25] udevil? [19:25] udevil is a standalone application mainly used by spacefm which is made by the same coder, makes it easier to mount/umount all sorts of things [19:25] flash drivers, drivers, samba drives, ftp etc... [19:26] not drivers [19:26] I meant partition drives [19:26] this is a nice one [19:26] why did u call it udevil? [19:26] I didn't, the coder did [19:26] and your maintaining it now [19:26] only on Gentoo [19:27] ok [19:27] I make the package for it for Gentoo [19:27] have you tried the new kernel 3.6? [19:27] on it now [19:27] I need to try 3.6.1 [19:27] I want to try the sleep-hybrid feature [19:27] nice [19:27] did u try it? [19:28] I'm having issues with my hardware, this is a new laptop [19:28] if the 3.6.1 doesn't solve the problems I'm reporting them [19:28] mmm [19:28] hhhh [19:28] should support [19:28] your laptop is the icore one with usb 3.0? [19:29] something like that but that's not the issue, I know what the issue is [19:29] whats the issue? [19:29] msi [19:29] in what hardware [19:29] msi related to? [19:29] msi <--- that's the problem [19:29] :> [19:30] msi is a chip on the Motherboard? or something releated to vga/sound/acpi? [19:30] no, it's also a part of the kernel [19:31] there is a part called msi [19:31] ok [19:32] do you get any users having same problem with msi if you google? [19:32] I never checked [19:32] ;> [19:33] but it doesn't really matter, there is no solution other than a patch in the kernel as far as I know [19:33] but I might be wrong [19:33] ya [19:33] MSI stands for Message Signaled Interrupts [19:33] sounds very important :) the core of the kernel purpose [19:34] meh [19:34] works fine until shutdown [19:34] so it's not a biggy [19:34] it never shuts? [19:34] https://dl.dropbox.com/u/21574440/Screenshots/screenshot-10.11.12-15.33.27.png [19:34] kernel panics on shutdown [19:34] damn [19:35] it's probably cause the shutdown sequence of stuff should be in a certain list and it's not doing that [19:35] a little quark should fix it if they know what the problem is that is :p [19:36] i see [19:36] and flowblade is a video editor [19:36] I think it's non-linear [19:36] some of those apps I added, I don't use myself but they were asked of me [19:40] nice that you maintain them... [19:41] I have plans but I'm waiting for the moment to see [19:41] plans like? [19:42] everything in due time [19:42] ok [19:42] by the way, do I know you ? [19:42] no [19:42] okay [19:42] I talked once with you like 2 -3 yrs ago here. [19:43] and I never showed up [19:43] do you use vim ? [19:43] honestly [19:43] I use nano [19:43] I just edit the lines and save [19:43] nothing fancy and nothing about coding [19:43] just small time bash scripting. [19:44] I use vim for everything [19:44] yep lots of linuxers do ;> [19:44] editing, coding, writing papers in LaTeX [19:44] am fine with nano [19:44] yah LaTeX is superb for editing the format you like, installed it for couple of people :> but never used it [19:45] LaTeX is a language by itself [19:45] 100% [19:45] but I use it all the time and now I use vim with a plugin for LaTeX [19:45] makes it easier [19:46] there are laTEX plugins for EMacs; I wonder how powerful would that be [19:49] my connection on terranet is frustrating at this hour [19:49] it only speeds up after 1:00 - 2:00 AM till 10:00 [19:50] then gets loaded by users and bandwidth decreases and I blame ogero [19:50] :P [19:50] does it happen to you? [19:50] I don't live in the country [19:50] lucky you [19:50] where? [19:50] I tried emacs for a while [19:51] I wanted to give it the benefit of the doubt [19:51] but I kept using the vim modes in it [19:51] yah and? [19:51] vim is faster [19:51] the keybindings are horrible [19:51] doesn't load any ui [19:51] :> [19:51] and I can do all the things I used to in emacs in vim if I want to [19:51] most of them are useless to me, like an IRC client [19:51] yah vim is number 1 no doubt [19:51] why would I need that ? :o [19:51] :> [19:52] useless [19:52] the only thing I would agree on is that emacs is amazing but not for me [19:52] it's an amazing OS, it only needs a good editor :> [19:53] vim for life ;> [19:53] and nano for me ;> [19:54] do you have a job? [19:54] or you code and contribute from home only? [19:54] I don't give out personal information [19:54] same [19:54] vim will be for you if you have 20 minutes of your time [19:55] and vim has a ui [19:55] it's called gvim [19:55] dont like uis [19:55] it's the same package even though distributions put them as different ones [19:55] well some plugins need a ui [19:55] makes it easier sometimes [19:55] MOUSE and clicks stalls me [19:55] I also use vim in firefox :> [19:55] Pentadactyl [19:55] aha [19:56] there is one for thunderbird but I don't use it [19:57] maybe for tb maintainers ;> [19:57] wonder why ubuntu dropped evolution for thb [19:57] I don't use thunderbird [19:57] I never liked evolution even when I was using it [19:57] evolution was a requirement in Gnome [19:58] yah [19:58] your on gnome? [19:58] did you see the picture ? [19:58] :p [19:59] the screenoshot up there ^ [19:59] yah [19:59] does it look like gnome ? :p [19:59] xfce [19:59] never [19:59] doesn't look like XFCE either [19:59] never looked close [20:00] I don't use DEs [20:01] so your on console? [20:01] or some WM [20:03] awesome window manager [20:03] :> never heard f it [20:03] looks awesome ;> [20:03] I have a screencast about it [20:08] my first WM was E16 [20:08] and was the amazing :> fancy [20:09] with sound effects and UI [20:09] afterstep was nice [20:09] then dropped to e17 then gnome [20:11] well I went from DEs to WM [20:11] lighter [20:11] customizable [20:13] you know I find out Linux is heaven for coders ... do you agree? [20:13] I never succeeded in codeing ;/< [20:15] well it's not only for coders no, I wouldn't agree [20:15] I'm not a big coder, and I love it [20:15] it's a way of life [20:16] but its the way coders want their OS to be [20:16] its enough to know its built on files [20:17] not really, I like for a lot of reasons [20:17] and I contribute to it because I like it [20:17] contribute by coding ;> [20:18] patching/fixing/tweaking..etc [20:18] I use it for sysadmin stuff. mostly... deploying/installing/configuring... love it. [20:21] no, by helping [20:21] I don't code anything [20:21] you adding that too [20:22] well I do write the package ebuilds [20:22] but yea