=== chrisccoulson_ is now known as chrisccoulson [06:57] morning [07:11] o/ [07:22] http://www.guardian.co.uk/global/2012/oct/10/london-lidoline-commuters-swim-work-canal :o [07:22] (morning) [07:29] \o/ second ADSL line is going into the office soon :D [07:36] möh [07:40] also OpenShot sucks [07:45] morning all [07:52] http://taskumuro.com/artikkelit/nokia-meegon-tarina,10 is interesting [08:23] Good morning all! :-D === iahmad is now known as iahmad|lunch === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [08:34] aloha [08:35] realised i may have invented windows 8 accidently a year ago, didn't know microsoft designers were watching my feed! https://plus.google.com/112811220238447511854/posts/PLnsQAL2JYq [08:37] :) [08:43] I don't pretend to understand the technicalities of this but does this mean we're all (any Linux) good to go now? http://www.linuxfoundation.org/news-media/blogs/browse/2012/10/linux-foundation-uefi-secure-boot-system-open-source [08:43] there are other linuxes? [08:43] lol [08:44] popey: Yes there are. And some even do not have built-in shopping facilities ;-) [08:46] TheOpenSourcerer: There was another method being implimented by mjg (I think) that had a small bootloader that could then be used as a second trust keyset or something [08:47] isn't that the Ubuntu plan version 1? [08:47] http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/17542.html <- Saw that idea not long ago [08:51] Reading the /. artible about the donations page, and a lot of people are saying things like "why would anyone donate to ubuntu when they don't listen to their users?" [08:52] Ah the old "Well I wouldn't do it, so that means no-one wants to do it" fallacy [08:52] indeed [08:53] they listen to the users they want to acquire [08:53] yeah, I think canonical do more listening because they ACTUALLY BRING PEOPLE IN TO DO TESTING [08:53] rather than make their own thing and tell everyone else to edit the source [08:54] which appears to be people they found in a Starbucks near the Apple store [08:54] they have to have a scarf and hipster glasses or we don't let them in [08:54] AlanBell: Is that sabdfl's super secret lair? [08:55] * AlanBell has ordered 250 Ubuntu Desktop DVDs and 50 Ubuntu server CDs [08:55] didn't even ask me to donate :) [08:56] anyone want some? http://ubuntu-uk.org/free-cds/ [08:56] * AlanBell should stick a donation slider on that page :) [08:57] AlanBell: gone are the days of SAE, huh? :) [08:57] yeah, there is a re-education process about it, certainly [08:58] * TheOpenSourcerer has a dose of man-flu and is now thinking about making all kinds of hot curries to help him. [08:58] http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_trksid=p5197.m570.l1313&_nkw=ubuntu+12.10&_sacat=0&_from=R40 [08:58] people offering 12.10 images for pre-order [09:00] popey: I wonder if we get a bunch of people to sign it, we could sell it as limited edition autographed ones? [09:01] PRE-RELEASE 'Blue' (cd-r). Limited edition ! [09:02] * TheOpenSourcerer 's wife now wants her machine upgraded to a similar spec to the one I did for the kids a couple of weeks ago. the i3-2125 is a decent little cpu/gpu combination for the price. [09:08] AlanBell: Any chance I could pick up 10 or so for Reading Hackspace? [09:08] Shall see if I can throw together a CD box or somesort to go on a shelf somewhere [09:09] daubers: sure [09:11] AlanBell: \o/ ta. I can pick them up next time I'm in your area of the woods, of if that won't be soonish will ship you a box with a stamp on it :) [09:11] stamp(s) [09:12] I will let you know when they arrive and we can sort something out [09:15] Cool :) Was semi-intending a trip to Guildford a bit closer to Christmas as I remember it being quite a nice Chrimbo shoppingy town [09:15] (memory may have been influenced by snow and people selling chestnuts from barrows) [09:16] Just come to UDS and get a handful from there. Much easier. [09:16] true [09:16] Probably somewhat more expensive.... [09:22] oh man, I just realised we only have a week to go [09:23] SuperMatt: DON'T PANIC! [09:24] I WON'T [09:24] I'm looking forward to it [09:24] I'm going to come out for drinks next week too [09:26] daubers, it is.. [09:26] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNk7bjcS0FM&t=02m53s # all one needs to know about Guildford [09:26] seen elsewhere [09:28] ooh, just remembered I'm getting a set of "Cards Against Humanity" at UDS. Fun. [09:28] I love Guildford, it has a road with lanes for A'shot and B'shot - I always thought they should make the third lane say C'shot. === iahmad|lunch is now known as iahmad [09:29] *sigh* I hate how vocal the unity haters are [09:29] I understand that it wasn't great in previous versions, but now it's good and people are still whining. [09:31] popey: Might book that in with the missus and sort some times [09:32] i go shopping in london every year, on xmas eve [09:32] took the kids last year, was fun [09:32] Hamleys! [09:32] XMas eve. [09:32] Mental [09:32] nope [09:32] its dead [09:32] everyone says that :D [09:32] Wasn't last time I did that. [09:33] i have done it every year for the last ~7 years or so [09:33] 3 0r 4 yrs ago. [09:33] I arrive at 07:30 though :) [09:33] lol [09:33] ick, london [09:33] get breakfast, start shopping at 8am, I am usually home before 12:00 [09:33] * daubers doesn't do crowds [09:34] Guildford is nice though. Picturesque and lots of shops. Parking can be a PITA though. [09:34] Used to take massive detours walking around the city centre in Swansea to avoid them [09:34] its not crowded [09:34] London is _always_ crowded [09:34] nope [09:34] not at 7:30 on xmas eve [09:34] and smells bad [09:34] good morning everyone. [09:34] because everyone thinks it will be, so they avoid it [09:34] Best thing about London is that there's lots of trains that take you back out again [09:34] no queues in shops, its brilliant [09:34] daubers: london isn't always crowded it does have its moments [09:35] kinda like the olympics [09:35] Oxford Circus around lunchtime on Xmas eve is where you want to be [09:35] it was dead week 1 [09:35] I drive up [09:35] czajkowski: Doesn't stop it smelling and being headache inducingly noisy [09:35] Urgh [09:35] daubers: no that's just reading :p [09:35] going up the m3 on xmas eve the kids looked out the window and saw the sun rise.. "Daddy, is that the sun rising like in minecraft?" [09:35] "yes, yes it is" [09:35] czajkowski: That's why I moved out of Reading when i could afford to :) [09:35] Fulham was lovely (lived there for a few years). [09:36] Lived round the corner from Jill Dando :-( [09:36] and the lights were still on too in oxford street, so kids saw them [09:39] guildford, rough? lol [09:39] obviously that person had never been to Portsmouth :) [09:40] hehe [09:40] * TREllis lived in Guildford for 7 years, not robbed once [09:40] that's a bonus [09:58] hey guys, I was wondering if there are any plans to improve the notifications in Ubuntu or if that is a separate project? Things like stacked notifs, abilitiy to change notf background/foreground colors, change position of notification per-app would be nice [09:59] I know there are a bunch of third-party hacks that do various things but don't work very well [10:00] if this is the wrong place to raise this issue please let me know and I will ask on the mailing-lists or propose it as an improvement somewhere [10:01] drat, my microserver has started making a lot of noise, i think it's the psu fan [10:02] popey: can you help with my previous question? I'm not trolling, honest, just trying to help [10:03] i think its under active development, yes [10:03] I don't think you should expect that kind of customisation to be implemented [10:03] +1 [10:04] there is some unfinished looking stuff in the notification code itself [10:04] you can specify northeast (default) or east (halfway up the right side of the screen) [10:04] it looks like other compass points should have been implemented but never were [10:04] Laney: because Unity is meant to be very simple to use so less customisation? [10:05] kjalil: well it is going for a specific look, customisation is diverging from the intended design [10:05] AlanBell: where is the notification code? might be easy to add those additional points... [10:05] it would be easy, yes [10:06] Good morning peeps :) [10:06] ok, so if Unity doesn't want to do it, is there a way to write an external app like Growl on OSX that integrates with the native apps and adds that functionality? [10:06] lp:notify-osd and search for GRAVITY_NORTH_EAST [10:07] I know there is a Growl on Linux project but doesn't look very promising, thought I haven't tried it comprehensively [10:07] kjalil: sure you could, it would not be massively hard [10:07] http://mattn.github.com/growl-for-linux/ [10:07] there are already other notification deamons [10:08] so yes, it's a possibility [10:08] there is a dbus signal to look for, then you have to display it somehow [10:09] the compass point Gravity stuff gets messy for multimonitors, they fixed northeast, but I had no notifications for the first year or so until I realised that having a right monitor that is shorter than the left monitor meant the bubble was off screen [10:09] hmm, I really wouldn't want to diverge too much from the standard stuff, the simplest way to add proper customised notifications is what I am aiming for. I am talking in terms of both as a user and a programmer if I decide I want to hack around with it [10:10] AlanBell: eeek, that sounds like bad code that was not written properly to detect the width of the screen and make sure the notif is always in the right place [10:10] sure, it was a bug. It got fixed. [10:11] just if you are going to do other positions you need to fix that kind of thing [10:11] do the ubuntu devs not use multi-monitor setups much? I'm guessing they do [10:11] Some do, some don't [10:11] some do [10:11] some dont [10:11] hah :) [10:11] lol [10:12] we have test suites for multi-monitor [10:12] more importantly the design team didn't seem to design for multimonitors (think that is being fixed a bit) [10:12] do they prefer to fight with nouveau or just use nvidia? [10:12] "All generalisations are bad" [10:12] true [10:12] Haha [10:14] there will also be some people who use a matched pair of monitors who won't see some problems with asymetric screens [10:14] that's not just ubuntu; windows 7 has terrible multi-monitor wallpaper support :) [10:15] I have 4 screens on my desk, only 2 of them are identical [10:15] my current problem and itch is that I want to use ubuntu at work but we use skype heavily and the notifications for that are pretty broken in Unity. I have tried skype-wrapper, tried running external 'notify-send' commands but nothing works as nicely as OSX + Growl, so I'm frustrated by that. If multiple things happen at once, they should be stacked and the background colour should be able to be changed so it stands out clearly [10:16] what's the bug number for that problem? [10:16] the best solution I have found so far is to use Xubuntu which makes the window titles blink so I know there is a new notif waiting for me [10:16] kde's notification applet (kind of) fixes that, it keeps all notifications until you clear them (also ported to gnome3/cinnamon). not that this helps in unity :) [10:17] popey: for the skype problem? [10:17] popey: I would raise a bug, sure, should I do that thought? That is why I asked what is the proper way to get this fixed. Raising a bug can sometimes be ignored, maybe some other avenue of discussion for this is better [10:18] s/should/but should/ [10:18] filing a bug is the first step, not the last [10:18] yeah, but stacked notifications will be "opinion" [10:18] i havent seen the issue you describe and i use skype on 12.04, so i would imagine many other devs havent seen it either [10:19] popey: i'm afraid there are probably bugs similar to mine, probably ignored, I don't want this to end up like that, I want someone to actually look at it and discussion around fixing it [10:19] how can we look at it and discuss it if we dont know about it? [10:19] popey: fair enough, but is a *bug* the place to discuss feature additions? If so, ok I'll raise a bug [10:20] depends [10:20] i thought you were saying there is some way in which you dont see skype notifications? [10:20] AlanBell: I don't think it's opinion, it's an option I think [10:20] popey: yeah let me explain my setup [10:21] popey: so I have 4 workspaces in Unity, and skype is not on the primary workspace which usually just terminals. When I get a notification in skype an extremely tiny notif pops up in the bottom right hand corner which is hard to read and can be easily missed [10:21] you don't have this problem? [10:21] personally I don't run skype very often, just started it and it did one of its own notifications in the south east corner [10:22] AlanBell: exactly [10:22] ok, so that isn't a unity notification [10:22] https://launchpad.net/skype-notify is what you need [10:22] AlanBell: yes I know, variuous projects have attempted to wrap unity notifs around that [10:23] AlanBell: ok, for some reason all my google searches have never led me to that project, only to skype-wrapper [10:23] AlanBell: I will try that [10:24] and you could try and file a bug against skype and wait for Microsoft to improve their Ubuntu integration [10:25] popey: we get a lot of notifs in my company from multiple channels. Growl on OSX allows me to change the color and put them anywhere I feel they will be more visible and only a few get stacked up. Also, the skype icon *predictably* updates with the no of unread notifs, it doesn't always do that in unity [10:26] I have also tried to use Pidgin's skype integration but that is pretty incomplete [10:26] making unity notifications more functional is something that probably isn't going to happen in the default desktop - they meet the design specification already [10:27] hmm, I feel they are a bit too "far away" from the top bar, if they dropped down flush with it, it would look nicer and I can't see why stacking up just a couple would be a bad idea, it could be made optional even with a default of 1 [10:28] kjalil: no, they decided that the notification style is perfect. it's a notification-height away because that leaves space for volume change notification and screen brightness notifications [10:29] bugs were filed, opinions were had [10:29] "won't fix" [10:29] nice timing jnick_tait :) [10:31] it's the same as having an option to keep menus visible, rather than having to hover, twitch, click. meets the design spec, "won't fix" [10:31] I'm glad we don't have tweakable options for everything [10:32] if we did, it would turn into kde [10:32] "Would you like clocks with that?" [10:32] lol [10:32] hmm, ok I can live with the extra space, but what about stacking a few up? If I submit code for that will it be ignored? I guess so [10:33] the thing i like least about kde is they still haven't sorted out SSO for keyrings. really annoying. [10:33] dunno, it means things get designed to be flexible if the expectation is they will be flexed [10:33] like the window buttons having the losenge baked into the button image for example [10:33] swap close and maximise and you get a right mess, because they are not designed to be moved [10:34] thankfully the window theme can be changed to get around that [10:35] who maintains all of these tweakables? [10:35] wonder how long that will stay as a "tweakable option" :P [10:35] well I am OK with the window buttons, it is just an example of an ugly hack that they got away with by reducing flexibility [10:36] the people writing the software? this is the problem with not using upstream; you immediately reduce the number of people available [10:36] i'm pretty sure Unity would have been better off using KWin and Plasma [10:36] if you were designing for flexibility you would either need to implement a background layer losenge for the buttons to sit in, or not have the losenge [10:37] * popey tickles d0od [10:37] * gord checks the time, yup, sounds like toast-o-clock [10:37] popey: Don't, I'll enjoy it [10:37] :) [10:37] the window theme engine should be able to do that; IIRC it's one of the limitations of using pixbuf [10:38] but they want to be able to get the reality to match the picture the designer came up with, so are sacrificing flexibility for cheap ways to get precision to the picture [10:38] yup [10:38] exactly [10:39] top panel shadow is another one, the design required it so it is there, it doesn't work in a range of unexpected situations, but in the default setup it matches the picture [10:39] was unity2d based on qml or just qt? [10:40] * jonathonf searches [10:40] it was QML [10:40] oh dear :) [10:41] popey: where do I file this as a bug? on launchpad? if I try to submit there, it seems to say that "Proposing features and ideas: you should submit your idea to Ubuntu Brainstorm or to the ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list." [10:41] so I guess a bug is not a good idea? [10:43] Sorry, was busy rebuilding a server [10:43] so in the form of a tweet, your issue is "notifications from skype are not visible enough" and "notifications don't stack up in the history" ? [10:45] d0od: coming to London next week? [10:45] popey: yes, and "position can't be changed" [10:46] popey: doesn't have to be skype-specific but in this case it is [10:46] AlanBell: what's happening in london next week? I'm in London :-) [10:46] release party [10:46] bug 1061229 is fix committed \o/ [10:46] Launchpad bug 1061229 in unity (Ubuntu) "Alt-Tab - alt+grave (key above tab) takes you back to where you started, not to the next window" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1061229 [10:46] http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/2006/detail/ [10:47] kjalil: where should I already have alerted you to the existence of the release party? [10:47] AlanBell: 2006? [10:47] haha, everyone says that [10:47] its an ID [10:47] nope, it just happens to be the 2006th event that the loco teams have run [10:47] I did mention to the developers of that website that having an ID in the url was mental but hey ho [10:47] AlanBell: huh? nowhere :-) i'm new here, but wouldn't mind coming if I can [10:48] sure you can [10:48] it was posted to the mailing list and google plus and twitter and such, just wondering where else it should have been [10:48] probably should do a planet ubuntu post [10:48] do people realise that the grave key is in different places in different keyboard layouts? that's why MS used tab (same place on all) [10:49] jonathonf: yes, it is key-above-tab [10:49] and some muppet broke my carefully accurate description in the bug [10:49] AlanBell: ah, right, I only just subscribed to various ubuntu mailing lists last night [10:50] popey: you were asking me a question about the skype notif thing earlier? [10:51] AlanBell: ok, it's near london bridge, I think I can make that [10:51] kjalil, right, so if it matches the current design then filing a bug won't get far [10:51] making a design mockup for how you think it should work would go further I suspect [10:51] especially if articulated without hyperbole or sensationalism [10:51] AlanBell: ah, good :) [10:52] and with sane reasons why, other than "I prefer it, therefore everyone will prefer it" [10:52] :D [10:52] which seems to be what most people on the internet think [10:52] "I think Unity sucks" therefore "Everyone hates unity" [10:52] if enough people think that, though... [10:53] popey: I can try to be articulate, but don't want to spend a time and be ignored :-( but I guess you can but try [10:53] s/a/the [10:54] understood [10:54] jonathonf: yeah, but Canonical are interested in the opinions of people who don't use Linux yet [10:54] note that nothing will change in 12.10 or 12.04 [10:54] We are planning 13.04 and 13.10 though [10:57] popey: yeah if I can get my opinion heard for those it would be nice, but how would I do the mock up for example of a notf with a blue background? [10:57] AlanBell: so people who haven't lived with it? just people who say "ooh, shiny!" i remember showing off Compiz (pre-fusion) and turned on *all* the effects. wobbly windows, heavy animation, fire, you name it. reaction: "oooh, shiny!" utterly unusable day-to-day. :D [10:57] popey: i'm not a graphic designer :-) [10:57] jonathonf: yes, those people [10:57] :D [10:58] jonathonf: Ha! [10:58] my ex-boss turns on all those effects and gets very grumpy if they break [10:58] he uses them on his netbook all the time [10:58] they need to maintain the "ooh shiney" until people get out of the shop and get home with it, preferably until the returns period expires ;) [10:59] AlanBell: Cynical :P [10:59] d0od: just a teeny bit :) [10:59] then drop back to CDE? [11:00] busybox! [11:01] usually gnome-classic-effects ;) [11:01] I envy you folks. For me Compiz with cube is old-skool [11:02] afterstep + gnome1. now *there* was a desktop :D [11:02] I have no idea why unity doesn't use cube [11:02] I wish I could have the cube again, with digital rain as the background, that was great [11:02] ah good old afterstep, I wonder what happened to them [11:02] workspaces should die in a fire [11:02] [11:03] * dwatkins hands popey a shiny gem [11:03] * czajkowski loves workspaces *HATES* the cube [11:03] * czajkowski goes back to working [11:03] i rarely use workspaces [11:03] I rarely use them now that the cube is gone/broken [11:03] popey: you have mail + browser + terminals + IM in the same workspace? [11:03] popey: YANA. [11:03] ya [11:04] Master! [11:04] master? [11:04] T. i like workspaces. so [11:04] Yes, master! [11:10] Morning all forgot earlier [11:10] it's afternoon now... :P [11:10] wait [11:10] Never used workspaces myself [11:10] n/m [11:10] Hi davmor2 [11:10] * diplo is upgrading his work PC to Quantal [11:11] * diplo crosses fingers [11:11] * davmor2 prods czajkowski the cude is just workspaces presented differently :P [11:11] 3 active monitors, 6 separate workspaces on each :D I'm a real estate hog [11:11] diplo: mad fool [11:12] I'm using it at home and prefer it, but that was a clean install [11:12] Not done an upgrade since maybe the 9.* days [11:12] davmor2: I use 4 heavily, one for termnal and browser for work stuff one for mail one for browsers for non work stuff one spare maybe movies [11:13] got a second monitor at work perfect for running irc and a twitterclient on :) [11:13] Do you guys who use workspaces only have single monitor ? [11:13] diplo: no, see above [11:13] czajkowski: How do you typically switched between them? [11:13] blimey bigcalm [11:14] See my problem with workspaces is I forget i have stuff on them [11:14] diplo: I think the same thing at times [11:14] * davmor2 gave up using workspaces when I realised that I was spending more time switching between them than working [11:14] ctl alt arrows [11:14] I lay them out the same way every day so cant forget [11:14] Ahh, see most people I know who 'heavily' use Workspaces also tend to be heavy keyboard shortcut users, too [11:14] diplo: I have 4, I have assigned a hot key to each, like Alt+1, Alt+2, etc [11:14] diplo: I also use xubuntu-desktop, which a different experience over Unity workspaces I think [11:14] d0od: yes in my case that's true [11:15] czajkowski: but I am opening and closing windows all day, so you wind up in the wrong workspace and then it's back and forth all day [11:15] davmor2: aye sure each to their own :) [11:15] I wish it did a quick number as you selected the workspace or something maybe, or you could name them maybe [11:16] plus at the time you couldn't use alt+tab to switch to an app on another workspace which was really annoying don't know if that is still the same now [11:16] my mentally-created dream Ubuntu keyboard has a grid of 4 buttons on it, each assigned to a workspace #ProperlyShouldntAdmitThat [11:17] popey: how is my Ubuntu keyboard getting on? [11:17] Very nicely. Keep forgetting to take it to the office. /o\ [11:17] will take it in on thursday [11:17] well, keep forgetting to go into the office more like [11:18] ok, would be nice to show it to the shop people [11:18] yeah, will do [11:19] Ubuntu keyboard? [11:19] http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2011/07/a-super-key-you-will-want-to-press/ [11:20] why is that keyboard on *grass*? [11:21] doesn't everyone have a grassed desk? [11:21] Ha! [11:27] it is a really awesome keyboard [11:30] But just looked at the price! blimey.... [11:33] this rain isn't going to stop :( [11:34] it's raining? [11:35] yeah, I was going to go to the post office when it stopped raining, then to the office. Has not stopped raining so have been working from home [11:35] If I was to get a relatively custom keyboard I'd just get blank keys [11:36] get a das keyboard [11:36] I did consider it, but I don't like noisy keyboards [11:36] Biggest problem that faces the IOM ::: NO GREGGS ! [11:37] I'm actually quite happy with the Apple wired keyboard now [11:37] I can't be doing with the wireless one [11:37] I will probably get another thinkpad one [11:38] Hayley hates my keyboard. It's handy to have a spare, quiet, one for late night coding :) [11:39] I have an old dell one that just works, fairly quiet but one of the stands is broken :( [11:40] My goodness, I never knew that the intro music for THHGTTG was Eagles - Journey of the Sorcerer [11:40] You learn something new every day [11:41] AlanBell: i reckon it'll stop just after easter [11:41] briefly [11:42] popey: yeah, they're nice too - quite fancied one but they were extremely expensive when I looked [11:42] bigcalm: wow [11:42] yeah, still are [11:42] Having heard the intro, I'm now waiting for Peter Jones to start talking to me [11:43] :) [11:43] i cant find it on spotify :( [11:43] nor me :( [11:43] only a 1:15 version from the OSK [11:43] OST [11:43] http://grooveshark.com/#!/playlist/PHP/68417636 [11:44] Was pasted into #phpnw. It's half way down the play list [11:45] ta [11:45] * popey winds it up to 11 [11:45] * mgdm reverts to LCD Soundsystem [11:45] Heh [11:46] I didn't get sick from attending phpnw12. Quite pleased about that [11:46] * bittin^work listning to Lacuna Coil [11:46] \o/ [11:46] o/ [11:48] bah, want to buy that track now [11:48] Tis good [11:49] Hadnt heard of Lacuna Coil before, listening to it now.. quite like! [11:54] tip: do not accept four tubs of pear and apple "light" cottage cheese as a substitute for one tub of longley farm cottage cheese. [11:55] <3 lacuna coil [11:55] bigcalm: do you normally get sick whenever you go somewhere? :P [11:55] christel: there seems to be a pattern [11:56] hehe [11:56] christel indeed found out of them becouse i confused them with Icon of Coil :D [11:56] I need to lay off the booze in the socials [11:57] haha [12:14] this shopping lens is really odd, it doesn't seem to be a separate lens and it populates results into other lenses [12:16] * AlanBell wonders if that is even a bug [12:17] * bigcalm knows of an alternative ;) [12:18] AlanBell, yes, it populates the home lens [12:18] same in a guest session, has to be a bug, but I can't see how it would be missed [12:18] Lunch time! [12:18] how so? [12:19] sure, it populates the global search which is controvertial, but I am fine with it [12:19] ok, so whats the issue? [12:19] I want to click the shopping lens at the bottom of the dash so my shopping searches don't get cluttered with files and applications etc [12:19] thats not implemented [12:19] :o [12:20] so if you turn it off in the home lens you can't get to it at all [12:20] gonna order this next week when i have money: http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=755746 :) [12:20] how do you mean "turn it off"? [12:21] well isn't there a control on the way to stop things responding to active_global_search signals so they only respond to scope.active_search [12:22] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/Lenses#Reacting_to_the_active-global-search_changing [12:23] I figured they were going to blank active_global_search for certain lenses to choose which were allowed to listen to home searches [12:23] anyhow, not having a lens icon kind of makes lenses inconsistent and confusing [12:25] actually it is the scope you don't want to allow to bind to the global search [12:26] hmm, that would need to be a per-scope user interface to control this stuff, that is going to confuse people [12:28] yeah, it should really be called unity-shopping-scope IMO [12:29] no the scope would be unity-shopping-amazon-scope [12:29] or unity-shopping-products.ubuntu.com [12:30] there could be other scopes tossing results into the shopping lens [12:30] and the architecture means they would have to be controlled individually to stop them accessing global search queries [12:31] you could stop the lens displaying the results, but the scopes would already have read the results and done evil things with it in the background [12:32] I really do think the lack of a separate lens for shopping is a bad thing. It breaks most explanations of the dash and lenses. [12:33] ^ this [12:34] but then again, "I don't like it, therefore it must be wrong for everyone" :D [12:35] given how many people have told me they dont mind it or quite like it, yeah, that. [12:35] I don't mind the lens, I just want to be able to explain lenses to people [12:36]