[00:52] <mparillo> Did the Ubuntu webadmins agree to update http://www.kubuntu.org/feature-tour/
[00:52] <mparillo> It looks like a place holder page to me.
[01:24] <Riddell> mparillo: hum, spooky
[01:26] <ScottK> Please start testing.
[01:26] <mparillo> Our spooky day is Halloween,the last day of October, right before the Solemnity of All Saints, but seriously, I wondered if that was a prep step for them to re-do the page.
[10:12] <shadeslayer> hmph, ktorrent with precise is fairly annoying
[10:12] <shadeslayer> clicking on stop makes ktorrent hang forever >.>
[10:13] <shadeslayer> Will probably hunt down a patch and SRU later on
[10:13] <Riddell> shadeslayer: time to upgrade to quantal!
[10:13] <Riddell> we're just needing some testers right about now
[10:13] <shadeslayer> Riddell: the X stack on quantal does not agree with me
[10:13] <shadeslayer> which is why I rolled back to precise
[10:13]  * shadeslayer can test in a kvm
[10:13] <shadeslayer> with vncviewer
[10:14] <shadeslayer> :P
[10:18] <Riddell> shadeslayer: hum that's quite worrying, what about you does it not agree with?
[10:30] <Riddell> gosh there's a second jonathan thomas, how confusing https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/quantal-changes/2012-October/011348.html
[10:46] <Riddell> http://blogs.kde.org/2012/10/12/kubuntu-quantal-final-testers-needed
[10:47] <shadeslayer> hmph
[10:47] <shadeslayer> Riddell: qapt installer prompts me to install flash but then says flashplugin-installer cannot be found
[10:48] <shadeslayer> so I guess it should ideally add the required sources and then proceed
[10:48] <Riddell> shadeslayer: on an installed system?
[10:48] <shadeslayer> live
[10:48] <Riddell> mm, live won't have multiverse
[10:48] <shadeslayer> funny how this is the first time I actually clicked install in that prompt and find out it doesn't work
[10:49] <Riddell> I used to have that turned off for live images but I guess jon got it reenabled at some point
[10:49] <Riddell> do report a bug then poke jon :)
[10:49] <shadeslayer> aye aye captain
[10:50] <shadeslayer> Not to mention that defaults button on amarok just looks silly
[10:51] <Riddell> default's button?
[10:51] <shadeslayer> start amarok for the first time, it asks you to set your country, there's a defaults button down left
[10:52] <Riddell> I hate that first run dialogue
[10:52] <Riddell> what do you even set it to, india isn't on the list is it?
[10:53] <shadeslayer> nope
[10:53] <shadeslayer> I don't like it either, but I don't have a better idea on how to present it to the user tbh
[10:54] <Riddell> wait until the user uses the amazon shop
[10:54] <shadeslayer> Riddell: should I just report that flash  bug against muon?
[10:55] <shadeslayer> hm, qapt provides qapt-batch, so I guess that seems more appropriate
[10:59] <shadeslayer> Riddell: btw Martin Sandsmark bought up a very valid point a couple of days ago, when we prompt the user to install mp3 codecs via the installer or the qapt-batch prompt, are we not commiting contributory infringement?
[11:00] <Riddell> shadeslayer: not as much as canonical for distributing the mp3 codecs in the first place
[11:01] <Riddell> but they've had their lawyers look over it and decided it's worth the risk this way
[11:03] <shadeslayer> hmmm
[11:04] <shadeslayer> Riddell: bug 1065930
[11:12] <Riddell> ug, there's a visual bug in ubiquity
 in the strings
[11:17] <xnox> =(
[11:17] <xnox> Riddell: screenshot?
[11:18] <Riddell> xnox: will take some mins, I'm checking out another bug
[11:27] <Riddell> xnox: will take some mins, I'm checking out another bug
[11:28] <xnox> ok
[11:37] <Riddell> xnox: http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/ubiquity2.png
[11:38] <xnox> Riddell: I actually never saw qt interface in action. Looks nice =)
[11:39] <Riddell> "The authenticity of host 'bazaar.launchpad.net (91.189.95.84)' can't be established" hmm, has launchpad been hacked?
[11:40]  * xnox didn't see that.
[11:41] <xnox> Riddell: well those strings are qt specific. and the <small> is in the debconf template.
[11:41] <xnox> imho the debconf template should not have formatting strings (since the whole message is wrapped)
[11:41] <xnox> and you should wrap small around it with attributes or in the code.
[11:41] <xnox> such that translators don't make mistakes.
[11:41] <xnox> and those two strings are qt specific =)
[11:42]  * xnox thought gtk string formatting slipped into generic strings
[11:46] <Riddell> mm, it's that change from pkt, bother
[12:10] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:23] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1065956] package libqt4-svg 4:4.8.1-0ubuntu4.2 failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: cannot remo... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1065956 (by Patrick Grace)
[12:43] <jussi> Mamarok: or markey PING
[12:43] <Mamarok> jussi: pong
[12:43] <jussi> Mamarok: PM
[12:43] <Mamarok> jussi: OK
[12:47] <stefan`> hi guys, just saw jr's post on "testers needed"
[12:48] <stefan`> i'm running 12.10 since a while and like it very much
[12:48] <stefan`> however this bug bothers me since a couple of days:
[12:48] <stefan`> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa/+bug/1061073
[12:51] <apachelogger> what I like best is how you cannot turn off your touchpad while typing
[12:51] <apachelogger> it's hours of fun I tell ya
[12:51] <apachelogger> stefan`: seeing that too
[12:51] <apachelogger> not the slowness, but the corruption
[12:54] <stefan`> apachelogger: yes, the touchpad thing is great, too
[12:54] <stefan`> apachelogger: it seems window-moving is not slow, also kwin has 60fps when doing nothing
[12:55] <stefan`> apachelogger: however, "present windows" is slow, for example
[12:56] <apachelogger> ah, I never use that
[13:00] <apachelogger> oh, the touchpad thing is written in python
[13:00] <apachelogger> now I am surprised
[13:06] <Riddell> stefan`: I fear mesa isn't our area so that'll need the ubuntu x people to look into
[13:07] <Riddell> nasty to get that sort of bug last minute
[13:07] <stefan`> Riddell: do you think this effects kubuntu/kwin only
[13:08] <stefan`> Riddell: in other words - how high is the motivation there to fix it?
[13:08] <Riddell> impossible to tell without testing
[13:09] <Riddell> I don't have the problem so it's probably graphics card specific to some extent
[13:11] <apachelogger> I do wonder why it did not appear earlier though
[13:12] <apachelogger> afiestas: btw http://mentors.debian.net/package/ktouchpadenabler
[13:14] <stefan`> apachelogger: i think i first saw it after the upgrade to mesa 9.0
[13:16] <apachelogger> stefan`: that was more than a month ago?
[13:18] <afiestas> apachelogger: :33
[13:19] <stefan`> apachelogger: no - there was a recent update which was not based on a git checkout but a real upstream release
[13:19] <apachelogger> I wonder how that could have broken things so nicely though
[13:20] <stefan`> apachelogger: i don't even know where i could look to see that something is broken
[13:20] <stefan`> apachelogger: other than Xorg.log and my screen, that is :D
[13:42] <Riddell> stefan`: yeah that's why is needs a knowledgeable X person like tjaarlton
[13:43] <stefan`> Riddell: it seems the bug-report gets little attention, though ;)
[13:47] <shadeslayer> !find gtk.h
[13:59] <ScottK> Maybe I need to give my Intel netbook to mgraesslin again.
[14:34] <mparillo> Question on testing: I assume you are talking about the testing the release candidate? I am on a daily build and accept all updates, but w should we should grab a fresh ISO fromL http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/240/builds after they are done rebuilding?
[14:34] <mparillo> Right now the font is strike-through.
[14:34] <smartboyhw> mparillo, yes
[14:35] <smartboyhw> mparillo, that is called ISO testing, to test the newest ISO (aka the ISO after rebuild)
[14:35] <mparillo> smartboyhw: Thank you.
[16:35] <ScottK> Has anyone else had trouble with quassel-client sucking up CPU when you switch between channels with a bit of backlog in Quantal?
[17:08] <genii-around> ScottK: A little. I'm using the git version though atm
[17:51] <ScottK> Sput: ^^^
[19:57] <Noskcaj>  where do i file the following bugs: release notes link wrong, encript HDD button, timezone detect says adelade but shows sydney info
[20:01] <ScottK> Riddell: ^^^ ubiquity, I believe.
[20:02] <xnox> release notes link is know and being worked on.
[20:02] <xnox> cannot parse the rest.
[20:03] <xnox> ScottK: yes, I have. I am no switching to an IRC bouncer & regular clients.
[20:03] <Noskcaj> xnox: it took me to the kubuntu news page
[20:04] <xnox> ScottK: znc is my current choice.
[20:04] <xnox> Noskcaj: I told you that the link is being fixed, it's a server-side redirect.
[20:05] <Noskcaj> xnox: ok
[20:05] <xnox> Noskcaj: the installer actually goes to the right page, it's the release notes that are not up on the website yet.
[20:06] <Noskcaj> xnox: understood, so thats not a bug
[20:07] <xnox> Noskcaj: yes, it is a bug. open against the website-content project.
[20:07] <Noskcaj> xnox: will do
[20:07] <xnox> Noskcaj: no. the bug is already opened and tracked.
[20:07] <xnox> Noskcaj: don't open duplicates =)
[20:07] <Noskcaj> ok
[20:07] <Noskcaj> what is the number?
[20:29]  * micahg apologizes for not getting calligra enhances properly setup in debian/rules...
[20:29] <shumski> may i ask here about project neon?
[20:41] <ScottK> shumski: Yes.
[20:41] <ScottK> shadeslayer: ^^^ yofel_?
[20:42] <shumski> ScottK: ok, just wanted to ask could it be possible to switch kdelibs to 4.10 branch?
[21:49] <yofel_> shumski: looking
[21:50] <shumski> yofel_: ok  :-). also, any particular reason kdelibs are built against gamin, since the one in the archive isn't?
[21:51] <yofel_> a) gamin is in universe b) ... can't remember
[21:52] <yofel_> iirc the archive package just uses inotify, so I'm not sure if it's even needed
[21:56] <yofel> shumski: kdelibs switched, the import will take a while though
[21:58] <shumski> yofel: cool, tnx ;-). about gamin - if kdelibs is built against it, then the modules also are 'hardcoded' with it
[22:04] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: what section this can belong to https://projects.kde.org/projects/playground/base/nepomuk-metadata-extractor
[22:09] <shumski> phoenix_firebrd: that would also require some aditional packages (for the extractors to work)
[22:09] <phoenix_firebrd> shumski: like?
[22:10] <phoenix_firebrd> shumski: so what section can it belong to?
[22:10] <shumski> phoenix_firebrd: like python plugins - musicbrainz, imdb and tvdb one
[22:11] <phoenix_firebrd> shumski: I have added those in the control file
[22:11] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: "kde" in general I would say, I don't think anything else uses nepomuk
[22:11] <shumski> phoenix_firebrd: i mean, it builds without them, but it's useless if one doesn't have them
[22:12] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: i tried KDE, failed, casesensitive?
[22:12] <yofel> should be 'kde' casesensitive
[22:12] <yofel> IIRC
[22:12] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: ok i will try that
[22:13] <yofel> shumski: the only reference I find on inotify versus FAM is the note in cmakelists.txt that inotify doesn't support NFS 
[22:13] <yofel> but I guess nobody really uses that here
[22:16] <shumski> yofel: i would guess. gamin is dropped almost everywhere (i mean on a distro packaging level)
[22:16]  * yofel drops it
[22:17] <shumski> :-)
[22:17]  * yofel makes a note to add the inotify limit setting from the archive to neon as well
[22:21] <shumski> since i already bugging you, are XDG_DATA_HOME and XDG_CONFIG_HOME exportet in project-neon session? so akonadi and qt don't confict wth the 'official' ones? didn't check in a while, and last time i did, they whern't
[22:24] <yofel> shumski: yes, see http://paste.kde.org/567776/ line 43ff
[22:26] <shumski> yofel: great! had some troubles in the past (oxygen), so i'm asking is it safe to fire up regular kubuntu session. should be then :-)
[22:27] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: kde as section works
[22:29] <shumski> phoenix_firebrd: so you are packaging this officialy, or? :-)
[22:29] <phoenix_firebrd> shumski: no :) just learning
[22:30] <phoenix_firebrd> shumski: officially soon :D
[22:30] <shumski> phoenix_firebrd: ok :-) 
[22:30] <phoenix_firebrd> shumski: yofel is my mentor
[22:31] <shumski> phoenix_firebrd: then i'm wondering about what you said that you have added plugins to control file? what did you mean with that? to depends? you've packaged them also?
[22:32] <phoenix_firebrd> shumski: Ya I have added that as depends
[22:33] <phoenix_firebrd> shumski: the plugins are in ubuntu repos
[22:33] <shumski> phoenix_firebrd: so you're using the metadataexrtactor? had some massive mem leaks with it
[22:34] <shumski> like 43 instances of it loaded on login :D
[22:34] <phoenix_firebrd> shumski: :)
[22:34] <phoenix_firebrd> shumski: no mem , afaik
[22:34] <shumski> some 800MB consumed. earlier it worked fine
[22:35] <phoenix_firebrd> shumski: works good, you need bangarang from master for the cover to be displayed properly
[22:35] <shumski> phoenix_firebrd: seen some commits in the last days, maybe that's resolved. 
[22:36] <phoenix_firebrd> shumski: is it? here it seeks to be file,  but virtuso takes a lot of cpu while bangarang gets the cover
[22:36] <shumski> phoenix_firebrd: yeah bangarang's great, altough still doesn't cut it for me with videos
[22:36] <phoenix_firebrd> shumski: the last commit is a fix to some text ascii problem
[22:37] <phoenix_firebrd> shumski: we need some kio for movie
[22:37] <phoenix_firebrd> shumski: tvnamer is good
[22:37] <shumski> phoenix_firebrd: trueg's tvshow works ok
[22:37] <phoenix_firebrd> shumski: ok?
[22:38] <phoenix_firebrd> shumski: you want something like the xbmc's?
[22:38] <shumski> phoenix_firebrd: well, i no longer have that kind of collection i used to have, so don't need something like that
[22:39] <phoenix_firebrd> oh, no movies?
[22:43] <shumski> phoenix_firebrd: could be my issue's are cause i use the the newindexer branch. yeah, not that much movies
[22:44] <phoenix_firebrd> shumski: nepomuk developer?
[22:44] <shumski> phoenix_firebrd: who? me? noooo
[22:44] <phoenix_firebrd> shumski: ok
[22:46] <shumski> phoenix_firebrd: just wanted to try cause we gonna get rid off strigi :-)
[22:47] <phoenix_firebrd> shumski: I was not aware of that, really? that would be great. how is the new one?
[22:48] <shumski> phoenix_firebrd: currently, cpu usage is a little higher that the old one, but IO is noticabely better
[22:49] <phoenix_firebrd> shumski: stablility?
[22:52] <shumski> phoenix_firebrd: ok, for a branch. still isn't merged to master. browse september and october nepomuk ML archives for details
[22:53] <phoenix_firebrd> shumski: ok
[22:57] <shumski> phoenix_firebrd: indexing is done in 2 stages. 1st collects the mimetype info, and runs untils it scans everything, and the 2nd one runs when the system's on idle. that one is indexing in more detail
[23:00] <phoenix_firebrd> shumski: in the new one?
[23:01] <shumski> phoenix_firebrd: yes, in the new 'strigiless' fileindexer
[23:01] <phoenix_firebrd> shumski: wow, thats cool, this was everyones wish
[23:03] <shumski> phoenix_firebrd: :-) yup. but better ask vHanda about details. there are still some things to resolve, but hopefully we're gonna have strigi depracated with 4.10
[23:05] <phoenix_firebrd> shumski: ya, finally, smooth after startup :)
[23:07] <shumski> phoenix_firebrd: oh, i still have virtuoso gonne wild with it on startup. but there's still quite some time until the final release
[23:11] <phoenix_firebrd> shumski: ya. I am having a build issue in launchapad, says "Missing build dependencies: kde4-config" should i add dependency ppa to my ppa?
[23:18] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: do i have to add a dependency ppa for KDE4  and kde4-config ?
[23:27] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: got it
[23:36] <mparillo> If you have some success testing the ISO, but not for one of the official test cases (in my case as a VMWare guest a Win7 host), is it still worth adding your success to http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/240/builds/25638/testcases
[23:36] <mparillo> Or only open launchpad bugs on failure?