[09:54] <cjwatson> xnox: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1274646/ is what I meant in my MP comments the other day - does that work for you?
[09:55] <xnox> cjwatson: yeap, I did understand you =) and it should work. Didn't test it yet.
[09:56] <xnox> cjwatson: are you prepping a release?
[09:56] <cjwatson> Not immediately
[09:56] <xnox> (well, upload)
[09:56] <cjwatson> Thought I'd do a translation sync while I remember, but doesn't seem worth respinning for as yet
[10:12] <cjwatson> xnox: Anything I can do to help with bug 1051306, or have you managed to reproduce it?
[10:12] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1051306 in os-prober "Windows not found unless partition is mounted" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1051306
[10:13] <xnox> cjwatson: got that one assigned late at night yesterday.
[10:13] <xnox> cjwatson: didn't do much with it. any pointers would be nice.
[10:13]  * xnox doesn't have windows machines handy by the way.
[10:14] <cjwatson> I can possibly resurrect an install in the corner
[10:14] <cjwatson> Will take a bit
[10:14] <cjwatson> Plus considerably more waking up
[10:15] <xnox> =) i used to have a windows xp VM somewhere.... on one of these external drives.
[10:15]  * xnox looks at a box in a corner
[10:31] <xnox> cjwatson: that paste from you http://paste.ubuntu.com/1274646/ looks very nice, just tested. " no visible jitter"
[12:06] <cjwatson> Right, restoring this Windows install now.  May take a while
[12:58] <xnox> cjwatson: the debug is confusing. the syslog shows that it did mount it.
[12:59] <xnox> cjwatson: could there be a difference between ntfs & GRUB ntfs drivers?
[12:59] <xnox> with the later one not showing some files e.g. bootmgr.
[12:59] <cjwatson> It's certainly *possible*
[13:00] <cjwatson> It would be extraordinarily tedious
[13:01] <cjwatson> I can't reproduce it here :(
[13:02] <xnox> which windows do you have?
[13:02] <xnox>    Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
[13:02] <xnox> /dev/sda1 63 80324 40131 de Dell Utility
[13:02] <xnox> /dev/sda2 * 81920 501379071 250648576 7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT
[13:02] <xnox> is in the bug report with windows 7 (loader)
[13:02] <cjwatson> Windows 7
[13:03] <cjwatson> I'll ask for a bit more output
[13:03] <xnox> sure.
[13:03] <cjwatson> I have a separate loader partition, apparently, so not quite the same
[13:23] <xnox> cjwatson: hmm... os-prober uses unshare and hence gets a different mount context.... any way to hack into it? as the OP in bug 1051306 cannot list the files grub-mount is showing.
[13:23] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1051306 in os-prober "Windows not found unless partition is mounted" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1051306
[13:24] <cjwatson> Err
[13:24] <cjwatson> I didn't ask him for anything involving os-prober
[13:24] <xnox> (their own implementation of unshare but whatever)
[13:24] <xnox> true.
[13:24]  * xnox is confused sorry.
[13:24] <cjwatson> So that shouldn't be remotely relevant
[13:24] <xnox> cjwatson: ok. but then why can he not access the files?
[13:25] <cjwatson> He hasn't bothered to read what I wrote and follow it exactly
[13:25] <cjwatson> sudo grub-mount results in something that's only root-readable by default
[13:25] <cjwatson> If he'd followed my directions this wouldn't have been a problem
[13:26] <cjwatson> But he editorialised
[13:26] <xnox> "sudo ls -la /mnt doesnt give the correct result either."
[13:26] <xnox> hmm...
[13:26] <cjwatson> And he didn't tell me what
[13:26]  * cjwatson has little sympathy with people failing to follow precise directions and thinking they know better
[13:34] <cjwatson> xnox: Any luck with bug 1065034?
[13:34] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1065034 in ubiquity "'ubuntu ubiquity: umount: /tmp/tmp.h3NCLhoxSh: not mounted' during a Reinstall attempt on a previously manually partioned vm installation" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1065034
[13:35] <xnox> cjwatson: nope. still need to debug which (u)mount this is coming from.
[13:36] <xnox> you want candidates, I get it =)
[13:38] <cjwatson> It's listed as a respin trigger so I need to make sure we're on top of it.
[13:38] <cjwatson> Can you reproduce it?
[13:39] <xnox> not in the past. will try the current image.
[13:45] <cjwatson> xnox: ooh - well, I may not have been able to reproduce on my test machine, but I sure can on my laptop, albeit not with NTFS
[13:46] <cjwatson> grub-mount $my_root_partition /mnt -> empty /mnt
[13:46] <cjwatson> xnox: Mind if I reassign this bug to grub2 and steal assignee?
[13:46] <xnox> cjwatson: knock yourself out =)
[13:47] <xnox> cjwatson: well, maybe os-prober should check that after mounting /mnt has some files. & try remounting without grub-mount. that would be a workaround to the problem.
[13:48]  * xnox off to the reinstall attempt then.
[13:48] <cjwatson> But it would reintroduce the very problems that grub-mount was introduced to avoid, and worse, would only do so sometimes depending on whether grub-mount happened to work or not.
[13:48] <cjwatson> We should fix the underlying bug instead.
[13:49] <Riddell> I just pushed a fix for visible formatting strings in kde frontend bug 1065989
[13:49] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1065989 in ubiquity "[kde] formatting for strings visible in string" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1065989
[13:49] <cjwatson> I'm not keen on stacks of software working around other bits of software.
[13:49] <xnox> and it's perfectly valid to have empty file systems ;-)
[13:50] <cjwatson> Riddell: Er, those strings had already been translated.
[13:50] <cjwatson> Can we not strip the tags in code instead?
[13:51] <cjwatson> If not, you need to go through all the translations and fix them.
[13:51] <Riddell> cjwatson: looking at ubiquity.template from today's image there's no translations?
[13:51] <cjwatson> Look at bzr.
[13:51] <cjwatson> I did a translation update from Launchpad earlier today.
[13:51] <Riddell> aah
[13:51] <cjwatson> I strongly recommend stripping in code if at all possible, because otherwise confusion will ensue ...
[13:52] <xnox> Riddell: translations are in the .po files. And note my comment on #ubuntu-release. that you didn't "fix" all existing translations.
[13:52] <Riddell> yep will do
[13:52] <cjwatson> But even then, fixing the .po files may well create confusion at the next translation sync
[13:53] <cjwatson> It could easily take an upload or two to get things synced up again, and we don't have time.
[13:53] <infinity> They should be fixed at some point, mind, unless you really want those strings to contain markup forever...
[13:53] <cjwatson> Sure.  But for now, better to work around in code.
[13:53] <infinity> (But maybe after release, sure)
[13:53] <xnox> cjwatson: wouldn't the upload import the translations into launchpad?
[13:53] <cjwatson> xnox: Yes, but consider translations between the point I downloaded and the point we upload.
[13:53] <infinity> xnox: translation imports aren't all that quick, plus yeah, collisions.
[13:53] <xnox> *sigh* I see.
[13:53] <cjwatson> Given the number of translations we've had already, this isn't an implausible problem.
[13:54]  * infinity notes that he gets email about errors in the dpkg translations usually a day or two after his uploads, so it can't be quick...
[13:54] <cjwatson> The queue backs up quite a bit sometimes.
[13:54] <infinity> Which is why I always forget to fix those two errors, because I've context switched away by then.
[14:02] <xnox> cjwatson: i cannot reproduce grub-mount not showing any files locally. *confused*
[14:05] <Riddell> ok nicer fix pushed for formatting strings in kde frontend
[14:09] <cjwatson> Riddell: Thanks, should be better for now
[14:11] <xnox> Riddell: true. we can fix the translations post-q release.
[14:56] <infinity> cjwatson: Are we still hoping for more ubiquity bugfixes that can be rolled up with Riddell's?
[14:57] <xnox> infinity: i can reproduce bug 1065034 locally and working on it.
[14:57] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1065034 in ubiquity "'ubuntu ubiquity: umount: /tmp/tmp.h3NCLhoxSh: not mounted' during a Reinstall attempt on a previously manually partioned vm installation" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1065034
[14:57] <xnox> infinity: but it's not ready yet.
[14:59] <infinity> xnox: That's fine, the current images are still building anyway, maybe we can give people a small chance to test them before we invalidate them all. :P
[15:00] <xnox> infinity: you are cruel. =) have you read the Hunger Games? You remind me of gamesmakers that set off a wall of fire against contestant lol =)
[15:00] <cjwatson> infinity: yeah, that one.  also I'm going to have a grub2 fix as soon as I work out what it is.