[06:00] hey freedomrun [06:02] yes? [06:04] 0/ [06:10] knightwise :) [06:53] morning [06:53] hey popey [07:16] morning all [07:16] hmm [07:16] wifi acting up here [07:17] popey: how do I tell if I am using llvmpipe for unity? [07:17] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1274472/ [07:17] glxinfo [07:17] hey AlanBell [07:17] glxinfo | grep renderer [07:17] Morning all [07:18] OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) Ironlake Mobile [07:18] so not [07:18] when unity starts it doesn't seem sure about it [07:18] compiz (core) - Info: Unity is not supported by your hardware. Enabling software rendering instead (slow). [07:18] compiz (core) - Info: Unity is fully supported by your hardware. [07:18] heh [07:19] it downgrades the experience now [07:19] to speed things up a bit [07:19] ok [07:19] fewer effects [07:19] the wording is amusing [07:19] hmm.. Wallch is a pretty nice app :) Wallpaper changer and stuff [07:19] Having an issue yesterday and this morning on Quantal, it seems I'm sending / receing lots of data to canonical [07:19] Yesterday after a reboot it stopped [07:19] knightwise, i use variety [07:20] 91.189.88.0 - 91.189.95.255 [07:20] those are canonical servers, you're on quantal? [07:20] ubuntu one perhaps? [07:20] and the video lens, music lens and shopping stuff goes via those servers [07:22] popey: thanx :) i'll look into that also [07:22] Outgoing rates thoughis 1000-3000 kbits/sec and all I've done is boot up, u1 is already synced [07:22] hmm.. looking forward to quantal for hte whole web integration [07:22] I'll reboot again to see if it stops again [07:22] hate having to open up chrome to get to my gmail all the time [07:22] i wouldn't reboot [07:23] that doesnt analyse the issue [07:23] you still need the browser open knightwise [07:23] it only gets your mail if the page is open [07:23] brb [07:23] popey: I thought you could "tie in" your google account to the notifier ? [07:26] OK, as soon as a reboot it basically slows our line down to a crawl before even logging in [07:26] Need to get some work done first but will start up again later and work my way through it. [07:33] knightwise: you can but it only does anything if you have gmail open in a browser [07:34] knightwise: there are two gmail notifiers in universe which work how you would expect them to [07:34] have been there for years [07:34] ali1234: and would those notifiers also take care of picking up the "mailto" links ? [07:34] yes [07:34] one of them does that [07:34] which one do you recommend ? [07:34] it adds gmail as a default application [07:34] Wicked [07:35] so not just mailto: but also anything that sends email in gnome [07:35] you need them both [07:35] one does that, the other is the actual tray icon thing [07:36] there's actually several now [07:36] gnome-gmail is the one for integrating mailto: links [07:36] the other one, you have several alternatives [07:36] morning [07:37] Done :) thanx ali1234 [07:39] actually I need my box now, so I suppose i better find the cause [07:39] wireshark i guess is my best option [07:40] ali1234: works great! :) thanx [07:40] diplo: tcpdump -n -A -i eth0 [07:41] knightwise: np [07:41] ok ta, just logging in now [07:41] that will dump first 65k of every packet in ascii [07:41] so it's quite noisy [07:43] oh, try netstat -n --protocol=inet too [07:43] add -p to that one to see which program it is [07:44] i used wireshark and set a filter to only show http traffic [07:44] tcp 38 0 192.168.0.5:57868 91.189.89.218:443 CLOSE_WAIT 25173/rhythmbox [07:44] tcp 1 0 192.168.0.5:38840 91.189.89.144:80 CLOSE_WAIT 2932/ubuntu-geoip-p [07:45] yeah why is rhythmbox connected to canonical? and why is geoip service running? [07:45] online store in rb? [07:45] yeah but i've never opened it [07:45] http://pastebin.com/kZshCDRX [07:46] diplo: add -p to netstat command [07:46] but that's rhythmbox [07:46] or u1 [07:46] or something over https [07:46] so tcpdump isn't going to reveal much [07:47] http://pastebin.com/KP71Wad9 [07:47] the url at least [07:47] that server has a self signed certificate :S [07:47] whoopsie :) [07:47] Error reporting [07:47] ah, you're uploading crash dumps [07:47] * AlanBell tries gnome shell [07:47] * AlanBell likes it rather a lot [07:47] rm -rf /var/crash/* [07:48] OK, but this was happening for houes yesterday [07:48] yeah [07:48] crash dumps can be several gigabytes [07:48] and if they never complete.. i.e. if you keep rebooting :) [07:48] lol 436mb [07:48] :P [07:48] they upload automatically now unless yo click the box that says "don't upload" [07:48] I didn't yesterday popey [07:48] yes, and if something keeps crashing over and over... moar dumps [07:48] be nice to see what was in there before you rm it [07:48] or just move them out the way [07:49] whoopsie, good thought to late :D [07:49] since i switched to gnome i only get skype crashes [07:49] it was _usr_bin_eog.1000.crash [07:49] eye of gnome image (viewer) [07:50] yeah it seeems [07:50] It's still doing something as we're still laffing [07:51] tcp 0 258592 192.168.1.21:54978 91.189.95.55:443 ESTABLISHED - [07:51] maybe whoopsie was uploading [07:51] well deleting a file from disk doesn't delete it, if the file is open [07:51] and you didnt stop it before rmming the files [07:51] yeah [07:51] hence why I was trying to suggest not diving in rebooting, deleting stuff :( [07:52] It was a very good point [07:52] whoopsie is mental [07:52] Restart of whoopsie has sorted it though [07:52] I think I know what caused it now though, so I could try and replicate [07:52] did anyone ever figure out what the graph on the server (daisy?) even means? [07:52] EOG opened a fairly large jpg yesterday and crashed [07:53] crashes per day ali1234 [07:53] yeah it does do that [07:53] if you mean errors.ubuntu.com ? [07:53] yes [07:53] that makes no sense for two reasons [07:54] firstly, the value is 0.04 [07:54] that's 1 crash every 25 days [07:54] seems unlikely [07:54] and secondly the graph has markers for every day [07:54] per day per user? :) [07:54] but says it is an average [07:54] how do you average something over a period equal to sampling period? [07:55] effectively implies it's an average of 1 value, which is crazy [07:55] * popey shrugs, I didn't write it [07:55] https://launchpad.net/whoopsie-daisy [07:55] it can't be per user, because look at the spike after beta 1 [07:55] more users = more errors [07:55] I wish it told me it was uploading that though [07:56] Or some notification [07:56] it does [07:56] when the crash happens [07:56] it shows a dialogue [07:56] sometimes that crashes as well, and then you get two dumps to upload [07:56] yo dawg [07:56] yeah apport crashed a few times [07:57] * diplo remembers why he doesn't upgrade anymore [07:57] i think i'm going to skip 12.10 [07:57] i'd have to rebuild too many customizations [07:57] 13.04 will be fun [07:58] yeah i'll probably skip that one too [07:58] ali1234: 12.10 is a huge improvement, _huge_ for me anyway [07:58] is wayland going to be in 13.04? [07:58] Runs perfectly at home, apart from I havem't got sound working [08:00] dunno about wayland [08:00] afaik it's still proff of concept stuff [08:00] woo, my pangolin and quetzal t-shirts have arrived [08:00] yeah [08:01] I think I'll wear the pangolin next wednesday [08:01] and the quetzal on thursday [08:01] wow, i barely know what I'm wearing today let alone next week [08:01] or will I look like an idiot wearing a quetzal shirt to the meet up? [08:01] nope [08:01] SuperMatt: you will probably look like several other people [08:02] oh noes _I_ said I was wearing that! [08:02] maybe it means "unique errors" [08:03] well gnome shell does appear to be rather good, only problem I can see is the losenge hack means the close button is graphically a bit sub-optimal === iahmad is now known as iahmad|lunch [08:12] I forgot thanks guys for the help :) [08:41] hey TheOpenSourcerer ! [08:41] °/ [08:41] meauning [08:42] you decided to come out of your coffin at last ? [08:42] and embrace the dawn with its glares of glass and cold kitchen floors ? [08:43] Happy Friday, folks! :-D [08:44] Good meauning, TheOpenSourcerer. :) Hippy Froday! [08:46] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBTuq8yjQGo HAPPY FFFrrrIdaaaay !$ [08:55] Ello peeps :) [08:55] hey bigcalm [08:56] knightwise: I'm feeling a bit crap to be honest. And just had to go and collect my eldest from school as he's unwell too. Probably a NSV that is wandering round the family... [08:59] TheOpenSourcerer: you sleep in a coffin? ( knightwise ) .. hope you feel better soon. Sofa day? [09:00] https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/news/contribution-open-source-europes-economy-450-billion-year [09:00] * AlanBell is in the office, looking at the font garden at home http://ubingo.libertus.co.uk/cam/ [09:01] haha [09:01] watching it move [09:01] good morning everyone. [09:01] yup, someone is clicking :) [09:01] want [09:01] TheOpenSourcerer: its going around, tummybug and stuff [09:02] AlanBell: nice control system.. much better than that crappy thing on it by default [09:02] Nice bins [09:02] * TheOpenSourcerer recalls a discussion on "Today" (BBC R4) yesterday morning about the legal issues (data protection etc.) of "home" cameras... [09:02] kirrus: yeah, the default thing is a bit rubbish [09:03] AlanBell: are you calling the default thing with your script, or have you hacked it away? [09:03] AlanBell: obviously you took out the trasj this morning [09:03] steerable cameras should not be put up in a public place apparently [09:03] "failed exceeding max clients", everyone else get off AlanBells camera! i want to see his garden! [09:03] I just made it move [09:03] Black hole sun [09:03] * knightwise feels like god [09:03] gord: I just shut mine [09:03] kirrus: default thing [09:04] I've closed it as well [09:04] What's the bandwidth useage like? [09:04] kirrus: it gets the video stream as guest:guest passed in on the URL, the server side script authenticates as admin to control it [09:04] AlanBell: neat [09:04] bigcalm: not entirely sure, but I have oodles [09:04] Fair enough :) [09:05] haha plug [09:05] yup [09:05] I forget, is it wifi or ethernet connected? [09:05] wifi [09:05] I could put on in my garage then :D [09:05] is it noisy [09:05] ? [09:05] you need to ethernet connect it to configure it and set up the wifi password [09:05] very quiet [09:05] does it go all the way around 360? [09:05] and the night vision is brilliant, but doesn't go through glass [09:06] gord: no [09:06] gord: nope [09:06] can you capture? [09:06] aww, i was going to write a script that would constantly spin it day and night :( [09:06] does it turn 360 degrees [09:06] over 180 degrees of movement and goes high and low [09:06] you know , when there is nothing on the telly we can spy on you [09:06] hack it so it can [09:06] lol popey :) *evil Grin* [09:06] popey: yes, can be captured === iahmad|lunch is now known as iahmad [09:07] put it on a turntable with the motor controlled by an arduino [09:07] and set it to 45 rpm ? [09:07] gord: this costs £35, get two back to back [09:07] you can mount it upside down and flip the image too [09:07] stick it on your car and go streetviewing [09:08] oh, set up a script that can pick up moving objects (there are a few binaries that does that) that then moves the camera to track the object to freak out the mail man [09:08] LOL :) [09:08] I don't think the response and speed of movement would be good enough for that [09:08] gord: I did thing of openCV to do that [09:08] and put a poster from "BIG BROTHER" above the cam [09:08] bigcalm: it could do [09:09] AlanBell: get cracking then :D [09:09] I should find my usb rocket launcher [09:09] I have to do some real work :) [09:09] Pah [09:09] however I might blog this [09:09] Yes, you should [09:10] I have a suspicion that the mjpeg stream will work on planet ubuntu too :) [09:10] oh oh, attach laser pointer to the camera, attach camera to a cat. remote control cat [09:11] http://www.firebox.com/product/2510/FroliCat-BOLT?video_id=2787&tab1=0#videos_h [09:11] frolicat! [09:13] AlanBell: I think I'm going to get 1 or 2 myself, you going to stick the code on LP or something when you're done ? [09:23] popey: yay, that's my parents' cat's xmas present sorted for this year [09:23] Oh, not available. Arse [09:24] diplo: sure [09:36] great thanks [09:38] popey: slightly cheaper on amazon and in stock. Hope the cat has fun [09:39] http://www.google.com/patents/US5443036 [09:40] ... [09:40] bigcalm: don't worry, patent is from '75, it's expired [09:40] I haven't really looked into it, but does the login manager remember what session a user prefers to use? ie. I like Unity, my sister likes XFCE4, does it automatically choose the right one for me? [09:40] Reading what patents will be awarded for really depresses me [09:40] Myrtti: I think it does, it uses some file in your ~ [09:40] Myrtti: yes [09:41] Myrtti: I use xubuntu-desktop, the guest user uses Unity [09:41] that's good. [09:43] I might do an update on my sister's computer today then [09:43] move her over to XFCE4 [09:43] Myrtti: xfce is very pretty these days [09:44] I ran it on a G4 iMac I have around the house [09:44] I know, I used to run it a year ago myself [09:44] then Unity lured me over [09:45] I'm pretty sure I don't have patience to tweak Gnome3 based stuff to look like Windows 98 so I'll just move her to XFCE4 [09:45] I want to use Unity, I really do. I feel I'm letting the side down. But I'm more productive with xfce (and unity doesn't work with my 3 monitor set-up) [09:46] bigcalm: I"m enjoying it so far , i remapped some buttons so the launcher responds as if it where spotlight (i run i on the mac) [09:58] i wish the mate project was better [09:59] I just can't use gnome2-alikes any more [10:01] I booted 10.04 the other day to test the upgrade... wow.. that was fugly [10:03] after solving the namespace problems, the only thing gnome2 preservation project should have to do is deal with API breakages between gnome2 and all it's dependencies [10:03] which i have no idea of the scale of :) [10:04] popey think i updated from like 11.04 to 12.04 when i reinstalled Ubuntu on my new PC :> [10:05] but thinking of getting new discs for the 12.10 release [10:05] Morning all [10:05] morning davmor2 [10:05] Morning davmor2 [10:06] does anyone here have any experience of extracting information from the developer of a legacy system you've been asked to write a web front-end to? [10:07] Well, first you get a length of rubber hose... [10:08] find out if their using a sane data structure or not [10:08] jonathonf: yeah, fun :) [10:08] i.e, is it a SQL database that you can look at and guess what each field is? [10:10] jonathonf: i've a lot of experience in that kind of thing, actually [10:10] i don't bother with the developer, i just reverse engineer it [10:11] the rubber hose sounds good... the mssql database used is crazy, supposed to have stored procedures but there's a lot of duplication, and some functionality seems to be hidden in his VB code which i don't have access to :D [10:11] tried to have a peep inside AlanBell's house, failed [10:11] ali1234: that was my first thought :) [10:11] I read that from Laney as tried to have a pee inside AlanBell's house [10:11] mssql databases always have loads of duplication [10:11] i did that and broke his toilet [10:12] well, sam did [10:12] heh [10:12] lol [10:12] wonder if the postman will be caught on camera [10:12] poor sam give him a complex [10:13] popey: wouldn't flush the payload? [10:13] a 'popey special' [10:13] this is the first time i've done this sort of thing; what sort of timescale would normally be reasonable (i know it will depend on the project etc. but weeks/months)? [10:13] user interface broke [10:13] it now has an improved UI [10:13] I did try to patch it [10:13] popey: failed rebuild test? [10:13] Soon I won't be allowed to AlanBells house. [10:14] So far broken one ironing board and one toilet [10:14] and terrorised a chicken [10:14] all true [10:14] Daviey, failed QA [10:14] popey: as did Jon with the chicken, poor things get peace when AlanBell has no visitors [10:14] popey: acceptance testing noticed it, after the developer tried to sneak in their cowboy fix? [10:15] thats nearer the mark [10:15] popey: don't make me come down there and show you how to break stuff [10:15] * popey plays Journey of the Sorcerer (again) [10:15] * popey hugs grooveshark [10:18] popey: Awesome bit of banjo work in that [10:19] popey: If you can find the original eagles version it's much much much awesomeness [10:20] and the Grooveshark versions hurt my ears and make me sad :( [10:20] jonathonf: what does it have to do? [10:20] popey: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rOMGIbY-9s [10:21] yeah [10:21] * popey wonders why AlanBell is sideways on G+ [10:21] * AlanBell wonders that also [10:21] it just changed all by itself [10:21] i thought you'd done it [10:21] i didn't ask for fear of looking stupid [10:21] I wonder if shotwell/picassa did it [10:21] jonathonf: figuring out the database shouldn't take you more than 1 day per table... [10:25] how is grooveshark completely free? [10:25] I was wondering that myself [10:25] 1) adverts 2) they sell your listening habits [10:25] afaict [10:25] * popey sees no adverts \o/ [10:25] i can't work out why i have to pay to listen to spotify on my mobile, but listening to spotify on my laptop teathered from my mobile does not [10:25] it's a business rather than a technical decision [10:26] It could well be a licencing decision aswell. [10:26] Ie, not THIER biz decision, but the labels. [10:27] http://www.lczajkowski.com/2012/10/12/back-to-school-in-limerick/ me almost 18 years ago :) [10:29] czajkowski: what the hell happened you don't look the slightest bit evil there :D [10:29] davmor2: That was before the community stuff colour changed [10:30] davmor2: https://twitter.com/czajkowski/status/256700293805379584/photo/1 [10:31] czajkowski: making yourself look cute when you were younger just makes you look more evil now stop while your ahead ;) [10:31] hah [10:31] I am nice I'm not evil [10:33] czajkowski: oh stop doing the evil laugh while typing things like that and people might believe you :D [10:35] * daubers gives up and puts the muppet movie soundtrack on [10:39] as a software developer and a nerd, i refuse to accept anything other than a logical decision [10:39] AlanBell, how much current does that camera draw? [10:39] gord: muppets = awesome therefore listen to muppets soundtracks? [10:41] daubers: manamanam da dah da darra === bittin^work is now known as 77CABNA9J === feisar is now known as Guest69535 [10:53] My boss miss-spelt my name as Ian in an email just now. Should I reply and spell his name as Dareen? [10:54] "Darn", surely? .) [10:54] Too late, I corrected my typo [10:54] jonathonf: heh, should have been that [10:54] bigcalm: no just WHO? [10:54] davmor2: I think you mean whom? :P [10:56] bigcalm: no that would be "To whom do you think you are talking to". "Who?" would be perfectly correct in that instance :P [10:56] half the emails i get are actually forwarded emails that just contain "Actually sent to the correct address", because no one can spell Allott [10:57] davmor2: bah [10:57] My last name is not unusual in Scotland, but people botch it. (I'll let people not from Scotland away with botching it, I suppose). My firstname is not unusual in the UK, though, and people still get it wrong [10:59] mgdm: it's the temptation to put McLean I guess [11:00] yeah, that or McClean [11:00] Michel? [11:01] I'm not French [11:01] mgdm: but that would then become Mac-Clean and we thought you loved Ubuntu now we hear that you are a Mac Cleaner ;) [11:02] haha [11:02] * mgdm is actually talking to you from a Mac [11:02] (well, via an Ubuntu server with irssi + tmux) [11:03] muhahahahahahaahahahaha [11:03] mgdm: here is a cookie to make you feel better for having to use evilware :P [11:05] czajkowski: I hope you took in a note to explain your 18 year absence? [11:05] davmor2: hehe [11:05] jussi: the really rather nice 27" screen is compensation enough. Though I do like cookies [11:05] mgdm: welcome to my world of misspelling surnames! [11:05] davmor2: :p [11:06] mgdm: I have a nice 26" screen :P [11:06] czajkowski, mgdm: no one can spell mine right unless I happen to be near Leeds [11:07] without looking it up, Morley? [11:07] * mgdm isn't near Leeds [11:08] COOKIES [11:08] And cream [11:08] nah just cookies [11:08] definitely cream also [11:09] or scones, with jam and double cream.... mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm [11:10] Clotted cream! [11:10] +++++++++++++++++++++ [11:11] jussi: With a nice mug of freshly brewed leaf tea? [11:11] daubers: yup [11:11] ace [11:11] mgdm: Yeap but I get Moorly, Morely, Moreley, Mooreley, Morlee, Morliegh (once) but the first 3 are the most common [11:11] I just wish we could get clotted cream here.... [11:12] davmor2: yeah, I would make the morely mistake :P [11:12] davmor2: blimey [11:12] I bet czajkowski gets some funny spellings [11:12] * mgdm hugs the tab key [11:12] lol [11:13] most people forget the c in my name, and put nik instead of ink [11:13] jussi: there is a place in cornwall that will ship a cornish scone teas complete with clotted cream :) [11:13] oh, and people outside of finland can rarely spell jussi [11:13] davmor2: to finland? [11:14] davmor2: when down in dorset during the summer I was given clotted cream I said no thanks, got a lotta strange looks for that [11:14] jussi: they don't specify a destination but they get a lot of Americans visit [11:14] davmor2: link pls [11:15] jussi: it's just a shop I've been in on holiday there I'll ask the wife and see if we can find you a link [11:15] ok, thanks. [11:18] people seem to struggle more with saying my name than writing it [11:19] jussi: you can try these guys direct https://shop.roddas.co.uk/ they currently say → We can deliver to all UK postcodes, including Northern Ireland and the Channel Islands. We’re afraid to say we’re not able to deliver outside the UK right now, but we’re working on it. while I continue tracking down the shop [11:20] Or you could go to a super market and buy some scones, clotted cream and strawberry jam [11:20] Which I'm tempted to do now [11:20]