[05:02] morning all [05:02] inetpro, we still only had 20mm [05:31] oops [05:31] I got out of bed 5 min ago [05:43] lol hiya Squirm [05:48] at work [05:48] and tired [05:48] :/ [05:49] hehe === SmilyBorg_w is now known as SmilyBorg [06:41] Morning folks. Do you know if there is a ZA mirror of the daily-live builds for quantal [06:41] daily live builds? [06:41] like new versions of the install disk? [06:41] yip [06:42] hmm, dunno [06:42] ... eg. equivalent of cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/ [06:42] there are local mirrors of the repos though [06:42] yeah. but I want to zsync via local traffic [06:42] instead of international links [06:42] hi zerlgi SmilyBorg [06:42] Hi Kilos [06:43] seems there was but it looks out of date http://ubuntu.mirror.ac.za/ubuntu-cdimage/daily-live/ [06:43] Hi Kilos [06:45] yeah, thanks smilyBorg, I had checked it and also saw that it was out of date, but thanks for checking too. [06:45] no prob :-) [06:57] SUpsip [06:57] hi Vince-0 [06:58] hey Vince-) [06:58] Vince-0 [06:58] hi acherv [06:59] hi Kilos [06:59] hi @all [06:59] hi === Symmetri1 is now known as Symmetria [07:00] Friiiday! isnt it? [07:01] Flame! [07:01] yeah all day if the sun doesnt die [07:01] hi Symmetria [07:02] lo [07:02] rotfl, watching this debate that happened last night [07:02] in my view, biden kicked the crap outta paul ryan [07:03] cheers peeps (maybe) back later [07:05] eww, those debates are a bit of a joke [07:10] good morning [07:10] Maaz: coffee on [07:10] * Maaz flips the salt-timer [07:10] nice and rainy this morning :) [07:10] Maaz, coffee please [07:10] DigiGram: Okay [07:10] hi charlvn [07:10] came with the bus - was raining too hard to go by bike [07:10] hi Kilos [07:10] hi DigiGram [07:10] hi DigiGram [07:10] Maaz, coffee please [07:10] Kilos: Done [07:10] hi kilos [07:11] good morning [07:11] hi inetpro [07:11] hi inetpro [07:11] Kilos: we now had 63mm between yesterday and this morning [07:11] wow! [07:12] hoe grooter die sonde hoe grooter die genade [07:12] we had 20mm till now [07:12] ai [07:12] Kilos: jy stout! [07:13] nee man jy kry die baie reen [07:13] lol [07:13] hehe [07:14] Coffee's ready for charlvn, DigiGram and Kilos! [07:14] Maaz: thanks [07:14] charlvn: Okay :-) [07:14] Maaz, danke [07:14] Bitteschön [07:23] 0o [07:30] hello everyone [07:35] hey superfly [07:35] cremora [07:38] sigh === Kilos is now known as KilosK [07:39] what's wrong, Kilos? [07:40] im trying the aprtheid thing here superfly [07:40] KilosK: Separating KDE from Gnome? [07:40] wanna login with a K when on kde [07:40] this is pure kde here [07:41] Cool [07:41] I've been trying pure KDE... the only two non-KDE programs I use are Firefox and Thunderbird. [07:41] lol and xchat here [07:41] kde mail is beyond me [07:42] kmail i think its called [07:42] kmail is a pile of rubbish [07:42] ah now i dont feel so bad. i couldnt get it to work [07:42] it used to be the most awesome mail client on earth (seriously, I can't stand Thunderbird), and then they integrated it with Akonadi and some other stuff, and that make it into absolute poo [07:42] * zerlgi pours petrol on this [07:43] *made [07:43] Gnome and KDE are both total #*#&@ [07:43] I use the command line. Mutt for mail and w3m for browsing the web. and irssi for irc [07:43] zerlgi, kde is better than unity methinks [07:43] Windows is better than Unity. [07:43] * zerlgi stops trolling [07:43] i get many workspaces [07:44] Kilos, its Friday flamebait. [07:44] no man now you going too far [07:44] ... seriously. Whatever works for you. As long as its on Linux :-) [07:44] everything is better than winsucks [07:44] I'd recommend Win7 over Mac. [07:44] ... purely from a ideological point of view. [07:45] oh, no. also from a cash point of view. [07:45] * zerlgi hates on apple [07:45] eish 7 is too fulla security stuff you have to work out before you can get anything going [07:45] security and usability. Opposite poles. [07:45] * KilosK never tried any apple cept those you eat [07:46] zerlgi: do you know Liron Segev? [07:46] and they only good for making coleslaw [07:47] superfly, know of, not Know. I follow him on Twitter. [07:48] zerlgi: ah, OK... he claims to be some sort of IT expert, but I've never heard of him - only heard of him because he wrote a blog post about my company. [07:49] I used to work with Liron [07:49] SmilyBorg: orly? is he as good as he claims he is? [07:49] in what area? [07:49] Superfly about SaturnLabs? [07:50] "IT" [07:50] zerlgi: no, Nomanini [07:50] maaz: google nomanini [07:50] zerlgi: "Nomanini" http://www.nomanini.com/ :: "Nomanini | Facebook" http://www.facebook.com/Nomanini :: "Nomanini | Afrinnovator" http://afrinnovator.com/blog/companies/nomanini/ :: "nomanini | VC4Africa" http://vc4africa.biz/blog/tag/nomanini/ :: "Nomanini raises series-A funding from eVA Fund and Esther Dyson ..." http://vc4africa.biz/blog/2012/10/02/nomanini- [07:50] raises-series-a-funding-from-eva-fund-and-esther-dyson/ :: "Noma-Nini Guest House" http://w… [07:50] yup, that's us [07:50] well he has a company that does some mobile and SMS related software. Also involved with another company that does network services and security stuff [07:51] honestly, I don't know what his level of skill is at a command line, etc. though he has a prety good general knowlage of the industry and is a fairly decent manager/project manager in my opinion [07:52] SmilyBorg: I'm just wary of people who call themselves experts :-) [07:52] * SmilyBorg nods [07:52] ya me too [07:52] I'm just trying to gauge how seriously I should take him ;-) [07:52] his blog says "CEO, Entrepreneur" [07:53] I've had people refer to me that way or as a guru and I'm rather quick to dismiss it. I know stuff, but not everything. no one can know everything. we are all noobs at something [07:53] SmilyBorg: precisely [07:53] he is definitely the entrepreneur type [07:53] Starts something and then moves on to the next thing? [07:54] and I'm weary of giving people too much attention with titles like CEO. one can be a CEO of a 2 person company if they want [07:54] we have 12 people in our company, and we have a CEO [07:55] im an expert at languages [07:55] He is always retying new things and looking for new opportunities. Honestly, he's a nice guy and I would work with him again. [07:55] all except greek [07:55] When I came to work at Nomanini I was introduced as "the Python guru" and I didn't know how to respond... I don't think of myself as a guru [07:55] I just know a little bit of Python and some general best practices [07:55] you are good superfly [07:56] KilosK: I read a lot [07:56] just modest [07:57] SmilyBorg: Thanks, that helps :-) [07:57] i think in some circles the term guru is used as a compliment, and probably to mean that you know more about that subject than anyone else there. not quite my definition, but I think thats how a lot of the "normals" use it [07:57] SmilyBorg: yeah [07:59] also, just btw, I have a bit of an issue with authority figures. Anyone that tries to sounds like they are all big and powerful had better not show any cracks or I lose interest very quickly. Boy did I have issues in school when my teachers told us stuff that was wrong and I could prove that it was wrong [08:00] Liron was more the type that admitted to me that Linux was not his strong point and would ask my opinion before choosing a course of action. The up side is that he is technical enough to be able to speek the same language. [08:13] SmilyBorg: that's cool [08:14] wow. just saw the most amazing thing. The guys from Weta Workshop made a full scale, working turret from portal [09:24] /msg NickServ identify cordless [09:24] hmm [09:28] real good soup weather [09:28] rain coming down gently [09:37] ooh now you're talking KilosK [09:37] here is what i am craving: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pea_soup [09:38] and pancakes for pudding [09:38] me gusta [09:39] http://i.imgur.com/zkavg.gif [09:40] im making split peas and lentils ith fried onion and garlic and kinda braaied shin for the meaty flavour [09:40] ith/with [09:41] cant find the mixed beans to gooi in too [09:46] inetpro, nou reen dit lekker hier [09:46] 30mm nou al [09:46] miskien van ons julle sondaars op [09:50] KilosK: eh [10:05] wow. yesterday, 15% of our internet usage came from our cache [10:05] * Squirm dances [10:05] 15.6% of 7.67Gb [10:09] people still consume that much unencrypted and cacheable content [10:09] ? [10:12] tonberryE352: no, people still OFFER that much unencrypted content [10:12] true [10:13] how cacheable is youtube these days? [10:46] oh my that was an ugly split [10:53] wow === charlvn_ is now known as charlvn [10:53] it was the largest i've seen in a while [10:54] some server seems to have failed because i had a ping timeout === Trix[a]r_za is now known as Trixar_za [11:04] yeah there were only bout 8 peeps left here [11:04] Ping surfing is fun :P [11:05] Hey KilosK :P [11:08] hi Trixar_za [11:25] hmm... [11:25] hmm.... [11:25] Mine is bigger :P [11:26] who can afford to do youtube caching? [11:26] See the extra . [11:31] tonberryE352> how cacheable is youtube these days? --> not very much [11:31] unless you write your own scripts to keep track of it === Trixar_za is now known as Trix[a]r_za [12:06] inetpro, waars jou bbotskap vir twitter asb. ek op ander hardeskyf hier [12:06] boodskap [12:19] Maaz, announce Monthly meeting here @ 19.30 monday eveing all [12:19] Hear ye, hear ye! Monthly meeting here @ 19.30 monday eveing all [12:21] Maaz, excuses [12:21] Excuses might be accepted, if you have a good enough reason [12:21] Maaz, seen nuvolari [12:21] KilosK: nuvolari was last seen 3 days, 18 hours, 56 minutes and 47 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2012-10-08 10:25:11 PDT], and has been online on freenode since 2012-10-12 03:45:10 PDT [12:22] Maaz, seen magespawn [12:22] KilosK: magespawn was last seen 16 hours, 42 minutes and 47 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2012-10-11 12:39:23 PDT], and has been online on freenode since 2012-10-12 03:44:59 PDT [13:05] inetpro: what the heck is youtube caching? [13:06] charlvn: 12/10 12:13:00 how cacheable is youtube these days? [13:08] charlvn: I guess it has to do with caching youtube at proxy level [13:08] it was in response to [13:08] [12:05] wow. yesterday, 15% of our internet usage came from our cache [13:08] [12:05] * Squirm dances [13:08] [12:05] 15.6% of 7.67Gb [13:08] KilosK: twitter? [13:10] KilosK: jy bedoel die ene? [13:10] Reminder: Next #ubuntu-za meeting on Monday, 15 October at 19:30 SAST. Agenda: http://bit.ly/SKJR0j [13:26] facebook caches a lot of data and since people reload the pages ALOT, and everyone knows the same people, the all pull the same 20MB photo's etc. Youtube on the other hand gives you an unique server everytime, so the probability of 2 identical files in the cache is very high [13:26] as far as I understand it [13:26] to bad we don't have a graph of cache usage for the uni, would've been cool to see [13:27] only the total usage is available: http://v-mrtg-lnx1.nwu.ac.za/cgi-bin/mrtg/fw-sw2a.cgi?log=fw-sw2a-8 [13:28] you can easily see the office hours from that graph :) [13:31] they use facebook without https? [13:32] oh yeah, I didn;t think about that [13:35] yeah I see all page elements use https.. mmm, now which site is it again that I use that use https ONLY for the login page [13:39] inetpro: oh i see === DigiGram is now known as Digi||Gram [13:50] Digi||Gram: I know this because I setup and run the proxy [14:23] skuus inetpro ekt geslaap en julle nog nie my kde klank reg nie [14:23] o ek het net die datem uit gelos === Trix[a]r_za is now known as Trixar_za [15:32] system needs a restart to complete the process [15:32] wbb [15:58] hmm... [16:38] hope you ppl caht [16:38] need help [16:38] loking for ZA hosted torrent sites. [16:39] ye syes know this is nt ububtu q [16:39] but where else can I find IT related chats [16:43] ga: I guess you don't want my personal opinion about torrent sites [16:43] *in South Africa [16:44] I think it's a waste of time unless you have lot's of bandwidth [16:47] oh and I guess unless you can get free local data [16:49] inetpro: not to mention that most people use torrents for illegal purposes [16:50] na [16:50] I have unlimeted internet ... [16:50] yip SOuth africa [16:50] and I don't know why a locally hosted torrent site would make a difference, that's not where you do the actual downloading from [16:51] i see but I am looking fo SOuth African stuff - afrikaans you know what i mean [16:51] (a) I don't pirate and (b) I'm not Afrikaans [16:51] suprefly : your wings are cliped .. [16:52] and (c) you have to agree to the Ubuntu code of conduct, which includes respecting copyright [16:52] if you want to hang out in this channel [16:52] ya love ububtu and all.. [16:53] got i running on my laptop only problem is the knonw bug of screen that freeze when going o sleep [16:53] sounds to me like superfly is right [16:56] lrt all [16:57] ga: lrt? [17:03] I think he meant "ltr", which I guess means "later" === KilosU is now known as Kilos === Kilos is now known as KilosU [17:37] evening all [17:37] nuvolari, ping [17:38] hey drussell hows deegee [17:38] ? [17:39] KilosU: heya! good thanks, how 'bout you? [17:42] good ty [17:59] ahhhhh, back to Ubuntu :D [17:59] unity? [18:00] g-shell [18:00] was on windows doing a project on visual Basic + Ms Access [18:00] ah === Trixar_za is now known as Trix[a]r_za [18:02] zeref: my condolences [18:02] lol [18:02] I would fully immerse myself in C#/.NET before stooping to VB and Access [18:04] KilosU: wb [18:04] ty inetpro [18:04] did upgrades on three drives [18:04] and had lekker soup [18:06] KilosU: and how much rain did you have today? [18:06] at 5pm it totalled 40mm since yesterday [18:06] superfly: lol [18:06] emptied the gauge and will see tomorrow [18:07] and you inetpro ? [18:07] headache, after headache [18:07] KilosU: now staning at 83mm [18:07] whew [18:07] standing* [18:07] eish! [18:08] * inetpro lagging badly [18:08] now things will grow [18:08] KilosU: yep [18:10] inetpro, are you gonna be here for the meeting? [18:10] and superfly ? [18:10] KilosU: I try [18:10] KilosU: I think so, no date nights [18:10] monkey is away and dunno where magespawn and nuvolari are [18:10] yay lol [18:11] nuvolari: kom kruip uit daai gat van jou! [18:11] KilosU: he's probably out looking for a new place [18:12] who is looking for a new place [18:12] what have i missed [18:13] nuvo? [18:13] KilosU: IIRC he needs to move out of his place at some point [18:13] ai [18:13] that sucks [18:13] * KilosU hates moving [18:14] not sure when, but I last understood that the owners wanted to sell the place or something like that [18:14] shame [18:15] not so bad when you on your own [18:15] whyen married and settled with kids and all whew [18:16] when i moved from Pmb to utrecht it was 3 trips with a 5 tonner fully loaded [18:17] when i moved here it was 1 7 tonner full [18:18] now its nearly down to suitcases [18:18] yay [18:18] oh my, now theres a pile of pc's [18:19] will be lost without pidgin and irc [18:19] KilosU: 06/10 19:27:56 just on the lookout for another place to stay/buy [18:19] 06/10 19:28:11 the owners want to sell this place :( [18:19] aw [18:20] ty inetpro [18:25] KilosU: he should just go buy that place from Alec Hogg [18:25] https://twitter.com/alechogg/status/256774813685800960 [18:28] Seventy acres (30 ha) of prime KZN farmland [18:28] * inetpro longs for the days on the farm [18:28] Property served by trenched underground Telkom cables with two ADSL lines ensuring fast Internet connectivity and landline facilities in office/boardroom and house. [18:29] I could do with that [18:29] and best of all, fibre optic installed and ready for switch-on in 2013 [18:30] eish 7.6 mil [18:30] would be lekker though hey [18:31] I could work from there for sure [18:31] i love natal [18:32] KilosU: I would move there any day, if I could afford it [18:33] especially with those horses there [18:33] that's my 1st love [18:33] haha horses are bad animals man [18:34] ai! [18:34] bite in the front, kick at the back and very slippery in the middle [18:34] nee man! [18:34] lol joking man [18:34] i had many [18:34] friesland stallion [18:35] * inetpro used to have 30 of them as a kid [18:35] brother to the one ET used to ride [18:35] arab mare and 6 or 7 boerperde [18:35] mine were boerperd [18:35] friesian [18:36] yeah but one hasnt time if you gotta work as well [18:36] * inetpro used to ride man many kilometers all on my own [18:37] s/man/many/ [18:37] to school? [18:37] no, just on weekends and holidays [18:37] was in hostel during the week all my schooldays [18:37] ah [18:38] started when I was 5 years old [18:38] ai [18:38] and never had a day go by without riding unless I was sick [18:39] until my dad had to sell the farm [18:39] i used to check on sheep herds in utrecht by horse [18:39] after three years of draught [18:39] onna farm [18:39] 2500 hectares [18:40] sjoe [18:40] top and bottom of the mountain [18:40] wow, that was one big farm [18:40] having to rely on rain is dicey when farming [18:40] very! [18:41] yeah and other brothers farms was same [18:41] they inherited [18:41] dads farm was just more than 600ha [18:42] sad to see farmers having to give up their way of life [18:43] its a totally different lifestyle [18:44] tumbleweed, is it a big job to fix maaz's Burp that didnt go down well? [18:44] convert currencies [18:45] ah there be cocooncrash [18:45] hi cocooncrash [18:45] our family bot be sicker [18:48] inetpro, is there a command that can answer why a ping isnt successful [18:49] tween 2 pc's [18:49] ping works one way only [18:52] KilosU: your routing tables are probably just not correct the other way around [18:53] or if you played with a firewall it could be messing you around as well [18:53] i dont think i have a firewall installed on the one i cant ping [18:54] its a unity thing and i dunno how to see if it has one even [18:54] KilosU: do the online networking course suggested by Kerbero [18:54] lol [18:55] that is actually something I want to go through [18:55] is it a daily thing [18:55] looks like a brilliant lesson [18:56] with lotsa data use? or documents you can download? [18:57] lotsa videos, especially in the beginning [18:58] KilosU: TCP/IP is very important to understand [18:58] my prob i think is a tiny mistake somewhere because if i put sister drive in there i can ping both ways [18:59] and nm setup same on the unity drive [18:59] ai [18:59] videos eat data man [19:01] KilosU: Hrm? [19:01] Maaz: hi [19:01] Hello cocooncrash [19:02] you well cocooncrash ? [19:02] KilosU: Ye, doing well thanks [19:02] good [19:05] inetpro, i go look http://www.tcpipguide.com/free/t_IntroductionToTheTCPIPGuide.htm [19:06] wb cocooncrash [19:07] 1600 pages [19:07] whew [19:10] KilosU: only? [19:10] hahaha [19:10] * KilosU collapses [19:12] thats a yucky book. cant find where to download it [19:14] yo kodez [19:22] uncle kilos [19:23] greetings everyone [19:27] hi kodez [19:31] hi uncle inetpro [19:31] how are you? [19:31] eh!? [19:32] kodez: me is fine thanks, yourself? [19:33] good ty kodez and you? [19:40]