[00:40] Sput: Differnt system with a fresh install and I still have the problem. I think it's definitely real. === ScottK2 is now known as ScottK [01:55] afiestas: Why does the bluedevil systray icon stay visible when bluetooth is off now? I have this problem on two machines. I hope this is not on purpose. [01:56] ScottK: deine off [01:56] *define off [02:01] When I right click on the systray icon and tell it to turn bluetooth off. [02:01] BTW, I am in an airplane at 30K feet, so I'm a bit laggy. [02:01] afiestas: ^^^ [02:02] ScottK: that's never been like that [02:02] I mean, it will still be there because you want to be able to quickly enable it when needed [02:02] so if you disable it "software wise" then it stays [02:02] Shouldn't it autohide? [02:03] ScottK: nope, it should autohide when hardware switch is set to off [02:03] Weird. [02:03] I guess something turned it on on my computer then because this suddenly appeared. [02:03] (a day or so ago) [02:04] Roughly coincident with the last bluedevil upload. [02:04] nothing has been changed there [02:04] for ages actually, thing is [02:04] K [02:04] "If you disable it via the interface, it remains so it can be enabled via interface" [02:04] Thanks. [02:04] "If you disable it via hardware, then you will need hardware to enable it interface is not needed" [02:05] Right, but it can be hidden, but available. [02:05] That's two clicks instead of one, but hey, you turned it off. Shouldn't the systray be decluttered? [02:06] it may, I'm no usability expert [02:06] ther eis no plasma policy about this [02:07] Battery behaves like that because sebas wanted it that way [02:07] that's sebas decisions, not plasma [02:08] I think it's smart. [02:08] When agateau did messaging menu for Canonical he took the same approach. If no apps are running that need it, it hides. [02:08] I think the less clutter in the systray the better. [02:08] apps != system stuff [02:08] True [02:09] I haven't get used to the autohiding thing, many kde developres neither [02:09] The printer widgets that both Riddell and dantti did also autohide when no printing is going on. [02:09] yet we aren't the best users to test it [02:09] but anywya I'm unsure [02:09] and you have 0 interaction to "hide it" [02:09] I mean, you don't have interaction with printing unless you are printing something [02:10] If one want it different, it can be configuried. [02:10] that's not the case with the battery plasmoid or the bt [02:10] I don't have interaction with BT unless I want to do something with it. [02:11] well, I'm not going to change it unless some usability checks ar edone [02:11] OK. [02:11] personally I don't care much, so I need somebody to tell me to [02:11] Not sure how to go about that. [02:11] and in theory, bt systray will die by default [02:11] Not sure what you mean by that? [02:12] it won't be added by default to the systray [02:12] you don't need to [02:12] ho wmany times do you use it? the only common task performed in the tray is sending files [02:12] and to do that you have Dolphin which works way better [02:12] so b de [02:12] so by default it will be hidden (not executed), and an option will be added to put it there again [02:13] since it might be useful for some workflows involving many BT devices connections [02:13] I'm finding it there by default now though, so I'm confused. [02:13] (there = not hidden) [02:14] I virtually never use it, which is why I like the idea of it auto hidden. [02:15] yep [02:15] it is still there [02:15] but I plan to remove it [02:15] 'm kinda sleepy (4:15 AM here) [02:15] I wanted to say [02:16] "Anyway it is going to be removed so we shouldn't worry too much about having it or not in the systray" [02:16] OK. [02:16] That makes sense. [02:16] Thanks. [02:16] I was wondering if you were up early or late. [02:16] (was suprised to get an immediate reply from you) [02:17] For everyone: New Kubuntu builds are up, so please test. [05:34] can anyone testing kubuntu(especially in NSW) keep an eye out for these two bugs 1066225 and 1066223 [05:34] Launchpad bug 1066225 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "encript home folder needs to be checkbox not radio button" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1066225 [05:34] Launchpad bug 1066223 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "kde ubiquity detects Sydney timezone but says Adelaide" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1066223 [06:22] Noskcaj: can you add them to the QA tracker [06:22] ( if you've not done it already ) [06:23] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/240/builds/25717/testcases [06:23] shadeslayer: i am running lvm + encription now and will and them with that [06:23] what [06:23] as i do mostly testing stuff [06:23] kubuntu lvm + encription AMD64 [08:09] wheeee [08:10] Riddell: UK Visa granted \o/ [10:29] Hi all [10:33] hi BluesKaj [10:34] hey shadeslayer === shumski_away is now known as shumski === yofel_ is now known as yofel [19:48] Riddell: Please have a look at Bug #1066378 when you have a moment. [19:48] Launchpad bug 1066378 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "Unable to make secure wireless connection during live session with plasma-netbook" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1066378 [20:00] ::workspace-bugs:: [1066378] Unable to make secure wireless connection during live session with plasma-netbook @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1066378 (by Scott Kitterman) [20:05] Sput: It's the same on 32 or 64 bit, fwiw. [21:02] ScottK: hum, no immediate ideas on that one [21:03] Didn't you do something so kdewallet wasn't used in the live session? [21:04] rm -f /root/usr/share/kde4/services/kwalletd.desktop [21:04] is in casper [21:04] but that's the same for desktop and netbook [21:05] OK. [21:06] So then maybe netbook handles lack of the wallet differently. [21:11] Hmm, Radeon 9200 Pro is not working as good as it did before. I get CPU hangs, could be HW related, will try the N.. GPUbrand. Installed a todays daily Kubuntu Desktop i386, Install (entire disk), Swedish translation from USB. Saw a few missing translation like he first one. It said Thank you for choosing Kubuntu 12.10. instead. [21:12] ScottK: netbook live can connect to my wifi with password [21:13] Hmmm. [21:13] I had it fail on two different APs. [21:13] TeLLuS: For your Radeon issues, #ubuntu-x is generally a better channel. [21:14] Also I reacted from what it said that it was easy to install Firefox or Chrome. But I have not seen a generic browser selector, only the Firefox installer. [21:18] TeLLuS: well Muon makes it easy to install anything :) [21:19] just wanting to bring to your attention bug 1066225 as most of you wont be affected by it but end users will be confused [21:19] Launchpad bug 1066225 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "encript home folder needs to be checkbox not radio button" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1066225 [21:20] TeLLuS: grep says there's no string "Thank you for choosing" in ubiquity, so it might be from d-i (or maybe you're reporting it wrongly confusing my grep) [21:21] Noskcaj: not something that can be fixed at this stage in the release I'm afraid [21:22] but patch for r-series welcome :) [21:22] i didnt think it would [21:22] Riddell: I'm not convinced what Noskcaj is proposing would be an improvement. [21:23] I still don't understand what he thinks is wrong with the way it is now. [21:23] ScottK: for people who no what their doing like you its not a problem but for most end users it is [21:23] scottk have a look at the normal ubuntu equivelant [21:24] I think it might be useful to add text that says encrypt and require password, not just encrypt, but I don't see why making it a checkbox is desirable. [21:25] http://doztech.net/wp-content/uploads/images/2f47433e2d3d_11F52/Install-Ubuntu-12.04-on-a-Mac-using-VirtualBox--21.png [21:25] Riddell: the "Thank you for choosing" string is in the slideshow IIRC [21:25] then if that is not wanted it needs rewprding [21:25] yofel: ah I see [21:25] needs to be re-translated every release as it has the version number in it [21:25] *rewording [21:26] OK. Now that I see it, I agree that's clearer. [21:26] As Riddell said, patch welcome for "R". [21:28] if only i knew how to code this stuff [21:29] If you got the source and looked, you could figure it out. [21:29] Making changes in the U/I using kdevelop doesn't really require programming skills. [21:30] ok, i will look into it later [21:30] Riddell: I'll send you a picture to jr@jr... [21:44] TeLLuS: yep, it's untranslated https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/quantal/+source/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/+pots/ubiquity-slideshow-kubuntu/sv/+translate?batch=10&show=all&search=thank+you+for [21:51] Is the German word for "Installation" installation? [21:52] apachelogger should know. [21:54] Riddell: Here's an even odder factor: Live session in German, I can connect. [21:57] ScottK: Installation is the same in german, right [22:00] Riddell: Thanks for pointing me to that page. I have made a suggestion. [22:21] ScottK, Riddell - have created https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/topic-r-flavor-kubuntu for the Kubuntu team to use to group blueprints under of interest to the Kubuntu project as they get created/discovered. ;) [22:45] yofel: thanks [22:46] thanks skaet