[00:40] <ScottK> Sput: Differnt system with a fresh install and I still have the problem.  I think it's definitely real.
[01:55] <ScottK> afiestas: Why does the bluedevil systray icon stay visible when bluetooth is off now?  I have this problem on two machines.  I hope this is not on purpose.
[01:56] <afiestas> ScottK: deine off
[01:56] <afiestas> *define off
[02:01] <ScottK> When I right click on the systray icon and tell it to turn bluetooth off.
[02:01] <ScottK> BTW, I am in an airplane at 30K feet, so I'm a bit laggy.
[02:01] <ScottK> afiestas: ^^^
[02:02] <afiestas> ScottK: that's never been like that
[02:02] <afiestas> I mean, it will still be there because you want to be able to quickly enable it when needed
[02:02] <afiestas> so if you disable it "software wise" then it stays
[02:02] <ScottK> Shouldn't it autohide?
[02:03] <afiestas> ScottK: nope, it should autohide when hardware switch is set to off
[02:03] <ScottK> Weird.
[02:03] <ScottK> I guess something turned it on on my computer then because this suddenly appeared.
[02:03] <ScottK> (a day or so ago)
[02:04] <ScottK> Roughly coincident with the last bluedevil upload.
[02:04] <afiestas> nothing has been changed there
[02:04] <afiestas> for ages actually, thing is
[02:04] <ScottK> K
[02:04] <afiestas> "If you disable it via the interface, it remains so it can be enabled via interface"
[02:04] <ScottK> Thanks.
[02:04] <afiestas> "If you disable it via hardware, then you will need hardware to enable it interface is not needed"
[02:05] <ScottK> Right, but it can be hidden, but available.
[02:05] <ScottK> That's two clicks instead of one, but hey, you turned it off.  Shouldn't the systray be decluttered?
[02:06] <afiestas> it may, I'm no usability expert
[02:06] <afiestas> ther eis no plasma policy about this
[02:07] <afiestas> Battery behaves like that because sebas wanted it that way
[02:07] <afiestas> that's sebas decisions, not plasma
[02:08] <ScottK> I think it's smart.
[02:08] <ScottK> When agateau did messaging menu for Canonical he took the same approach.  If no apps are running that need it, it hides.
[02:08] <ScottK> I think the less clutter in the systray the better.
[02:08] <afiestas> apps != system stuff
[02:08] <ScottK> True
[02:09] <afiestas> I haven't get used to the autohiding thing, many kde developres neither
[02:09] <ScottK> The printer widgets that both Riddell and dantti did also autohide when no printing is going on.
[02:09] <afiestas> yet we aren't the best users to test it
[02:09] <afiestas> but anywya I'm unsure
[02:09] <afiestas> and you have 0 interaction to "hide it"
[02:09] <afiestas> I mean, you don't have interaction with printing unless you are printing something
[02:10] <ScottK> If one want it different, it can be configuried.
[02:10] <afiestas> that's not the case with the battery plasmoid or the bt
[02:10] <ScottK> I don't have interaction with BT unless I want to do something with it.
[02:11] <afiestas> well, I'm not going to change it unless some usability checks ar edone
[02:11] <ScottK> OK.
[02:11] <afiestas> personally I don't care much, so I need somebody to tell me to
[02:11] <ScottK> Not sure how to go about that.
[02:11] <afiestas> and in theory, bt systray will die by default
[02:11] <ScottK> Not sure what you mean by that?
[02:12] <afiestas> it won't be added by default to the systray
[02:12] <afiestas> you don't need to
[02:12] <afiestas> ho wmany times do you use it? the only common task performed in the tray is sending files
[02:12] <afiestas> and to do that you have Dolphin which works way better
[02:12] <afiestas> so b de
[02:12] <afiestas> so by default it will be hidden (not executed), and an option will be added to put it there again
[02:13] <afiestas> since it might be useful for some workflows involving many BT devices connections
[02:13] <ScottK> I'm finding it there by default now though, so I'm confused.
[02:13] <ScottK> (there = not hidden)
[02:14] <ScottK> I virtually never use it, which is why I like the idea of it auto hidden.
[02:15] <afiestas> yep
[02:15] <afiestas> it is still there
[02:15] <afiestas> but I plan to remove it
[02:15] <afiestas> 'm kinda sleepy (4:15 AM here)
[02:15] <afiestas> I wanted to say 
[02:16] <afiestas> "Anyway it is going to be removed so we shouldn't worry too much about having it or not in the systray"
[02:16] <ScottK> OK.
[02:16] <ScottK> That makes sense.
[02:16] <ScottK> Thanks.
[02:16] <ScottK> I was wondering if you were up early or late.
[02:16] <ScottK> (was suprised to get an immediate reply from you)
[02:17] <ScottK> For everyone: New Kubuntu builds are up, so please test.
[05:34] <Noskcaj> can anyone testing kubuntu(especially in NSW) keep an eye out for these two bugs 1066225 and 1066223
[06:22] <shadeslayer> Noskcaj: can you add them to the QA tracker
[06:22] <shadeslayer> ( if you've not done it already )
[06:23] <shadeslayer> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/240/builds/25717/testcases
[06:23] <Noskcaj> shadeslayer: i am running lvm + encription now and will and them with that
[06:23] <shadeslayer> what 
[06:23] <Noskcaj> as i do mostly testing stuff
[06:23] <Noskcaj> kubuntu lvm + encription AMD64
[08:09] <shadeslayer> wheeee
[08:10] <shadeslayer> Riddell: UK Visa granted \o/
[10:29] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[10:33] <shadeslayer> hi BluesKaj
[10:34] <BluesKaj> hey shadeslayer
[19:48] <ScottK> Riddell: Please have a look at Bug #1066378 when you have a moment.
[20:00] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1066378] Unable to make secure wireless connection during live session with plasma-netbook @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1066378 (by Scott Kitterman)
[20:05] <ScottK> Sput: It's the same on 32 or 64 bit, fwiw.
[21:02] <Riddell> ScottK: hum, no immediate ideas on that one
[21:03] <ScottK> Didn't you do something so kdewallet wasn't used in the live session?
[21:04] <Riddell> rm -f /root/usr/share/kde4/services/kwalletd.desktop
[21:04] <Riddell> is in casper
[21:04] <Riddell> but that's the same for desktop and netbook
[21:05] <ScottK> OK.
[21:06] <ScottK> So then maybe netbook handles lack of the wallet differently.
[21:11] <TeLLuS> Hmm, Radeon 9200 Pro is not working as good as it did before. I get CPU hangs, could be HW related, will try the N.. GPUbrand.  Installed a todays daily Kubuntu Desktop i386, Install (entire disk), Swedish translation from USB. Saw a few missing translation like he first one. It said Thank you for choosing Kubuntu 12.10. instead.
[21:12] <Riddell> ScottK: netbook live can connect to my wifi with password
[21:13] <ScottK> Hmmm.
[21:13] <ScottK> I had it fail on two different APs.
[21:13] <ScottK> TeLLuS: For your Radeon issues, #ubuntu-x is generally a better channel.
[21:14] <TeLLuS> Also I reacted from what it said that it was easy to install Firefox or Chrome.  But I have not seen a generic browser selector, only the Firefox installer.
[21:18] <Riddell> TeLLuS: well Muon makes it easy to install anything :)
[21:19] <Noskcaj> just wanting to bring to your attention bug 1066225 as most of you wont be affected by it but end users will be confused
[21:20] <Riddell> TeLLuS: grep says there's no string "Thank you for choosing" in ubiquity, so it might be from d-i (or maybe you're reporting it wrongly confusing my grep)
[21:21] <Riddell> Noskcaj: not something that can be fixed at this stage in the release I'm afraid
[21:22] <Riddell> but patch for r-series welcome :)
[21:22] <Noskcaj> i didnt think it would
[21:22] <ScottK> Riddell: I'm not convinced what Noskcaj is proposing would be an improvement.
[21:23] <ScottK> I still don't understand what he thinks is wrong with the way it is now.
[21:23] <Noskcaj> ScottK: for people who no what their doing like you its not a problem but for most end users it is
[21:23] <Noskcaj> scottk have a look at the normal ubuntu equivelant 
[21:24] <ScottK> I think it might be useful to add text that says encrypt and require password, not just encrypt, but I don't see why making it a checkbox is desirable.
[21:25] <Noskcaj> http://doztech.net/wp-content/uploads/images/2f47433e2d3d_11F52/Install-Ubuntu-12.04-on-a-Mac-using-VirtualBox--21.png
[21:25] <yofel> Riddell: the "Thank you for choosing" string is in the slideshow IIRC
[21:25] <Noskcaj> then if that is not wanted it needs rewprding
[21:25] <Riddell> yofel: ah I see
[21:25] <yofel> needs to be re-translated every release as it has the version number in it
[21:25] <Noskcaj> *rewording
[21:26] <ScottK> OK.  Now that I see it, I agree that's clearer.
[21:26] <ScottK> As Riddell said, patch welcome for "R".
[21:28] <Noskcaj> if only i knew how to code this stuff
[21:29] <ScottK> If you got the source and looked, you could figure it out.
[21:29] <ScottK> Making changes in the U/I using kdevelop doesn't really require programming skills.
[21:30] <Noskcaj> ok, i will look into it later
[21:30] <TeLLuS> Riddell: I'll send you a picture to jr@jr...
[21:44] <Riddell> TeLLuS: yep, it's untranslated https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/quantal/+source/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/+pots/ubiquity-slideshow-kubuntu/sv/+translate?batch=10&show=all&search=thank+you+for
[21:51] <ScottK> Is the German word for "Installation" installation?
[21:52] <ScottK> apachelogger should know.
[21:54] <ScottK> Riddell: Here's an even odder factor: Live session in German, I can connect.
[21:57] <yofel> ScottK: Installation is the same in german, right
[22:00] <TeLLuS> Riddell: Thanks for pointing me to that page. I have made a suggestion.
[22:21] <skaet> ScottK, Riddell -  have created https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/topic-r-flavor-kubuntu for the Kubuntu team to use to group blueprints under of interest to the Kubuntu project as they get created/discovered. ;)
[22:45] <ScottK> yofel: thanks
[22:46] <Riddell> thanks skaet