[00:08] <AaronCampbell> I'm using realvnc sever, and the new version works as a service...so I can start it like this: sudo service vncserver-x11-serviced start
[00:08] <AaronCampbell> How can I make that auto-start on boot?
[00:27] <ls612> Does anyone know when there will be a compat-wireless package for 12.10? Because after much searching I don't think one exists yet for 12.10 and I would like to upgrade from 12.04
[00:31] <pepee> ls612, no idea, but I suppose that it isn't necessary because 12.10 already has the latest drivers
[00:34] <ls612> Not the alx driver, at least as of Beta 2. I need that to have any internet at all in linux (I dual boot 12.04/win7)
[00:35] <pepee> why not to install it directly from compat-wireless?
[00:36] <pepee> I mean, from the package in linuxwireless.org
[00:36] <pepee> and also file a bug report (if there is not one already)
[00:37] <ls612> Because it would have to be after I upgrade, at which point I will have no internet access. I have it installed on 12.04, but for every kernel update (mostly security) I have to get the package beforehand and install it again before things will work.
[00:37] <ls612> And it is already on the bugtracker.
[00:38] <pepee> I used to do that, you just need to rebuild and reinstall it
[00:38] <pepee> btw what wifi card?
[00:40] <ls612> It's actually not the wifi, it's the wired, which makes it even worse. I have an Atheroes AR8161 Ethernet adapter, and it requires the alx driver to use the wired internet. It's darn annoying, I hope they include it be default soon.
[00:40] <TJ-> bug 927782
[00:42] <pepee> :/
[00:44] <ls612> Yeah, exactly. The compat-wireless package is the only workaround I know of for now. :(
[00:45] <ls612> good to know that they'll hopefully have it before release next friday.
[00:49] <pepee> http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/networking/alx  <- from this, I can see that atl1c has support for some chipsets
[00:49] <ls612> But not mine.
[00:49] <ls612> Not the 8161.
[00:49] <pepee> ah, I see
[00:55] <fnord`> I'm getting lots of random error pop-ups that I think are due to the fact that my upgrade was less than smooth
[00:55] <fnord`> they don't seem to be related to any actual malfunctioning of my system
[00:56] <fnord`> I'd like to know if there is a way to purge them or disable these popups
[00:57] <fnord`> they are mostly "error installing x,y,z" but I've done an apt-get update and apt-get upgrade and they ran smooth
[00:57] <fnord`> I"m not experiencing any apt related issues
[00:58] <fnord`> In any event, I'm still super glad the bug in unity is fixed when you snap the window to the side and pull it away. The cursor is now appropriately positioned over the window decor \o/
[01:00] <wilee-nilee> fnord`, error pop-ups are par for course on a development.
[01:01] <wilee-nilee> it will tell you what they are.
[01:02] <fnord`> wilee-nilee: I think the error pop-ups were displaying erroneously
[01:02] <fnord`> Unforunately, reproducing will be hard.
[01:04] <wilee-nilee> A little qualitative hypothesis eh. ;)
[07:02] <maxb> I've run into a VERY nasty upgrade issue with grub2 - apparently quantal's grub2 has grown too big to fit lvm support into a typical MBR-style embedding area - leaving the system without a functional bootloader on upgrade :-/
[08:00] <abc> I have a problem with installing lubuntu 12.10 beta 2 using nvidia gts 450. When i select install or "try without installing:, i get 4 pixelized lubuntu logos, and then after loading my whole screen is filled with random pixels. On 12.04 everything works perfectly, and using radeon 6870 there are no problems on 12.10. I'm not the only one with this problem, will be there any fix before release?
[08:03] <abc> seems like new version of installer has something broken with some nvidia cards
[08:03] <abc> as 12.04 version works flawlessy
[08:42] <abc> I have a problem with installing lubuntu 12.10 beta 2 using nvidia gts 450. When i select install or "try without installing:, i get 4 pixelized lubuntu logos, and then after loading my whole screen is filled with random pixels. On 12.04 everything works perfectly, and using radeon 6870 there are no problems on 12.10. I'm not the only one with this problem, will be there any fix before release?
[10:29] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[10:44] <ActionParsnip> ypo
[11:28] <mikeconcepts> I purged 3.5.0-17 because it didn't boot
[11:28] <mikeconcepts> done after upgrade from 12.04
[12:04] <omac> UBUNTU QUANTAL QUETZAL rocks.  I updated early this morning.  This latest version really cleaned up the graphics card support for the RADEON 7970.  The OS was snappy this week, but the media players are working snappier with no choppy frames with the latest fglrx-updates.
[12:07] <omac> this worked also:  http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Quantal_Installation_Guide
[12:08] <omac> Add #include <unistd.h> to /opt/AMDAPP/samples/opencl/SDKUtil/include/opt/AMDAPP/samples/opencl/SDKUtil/include/SDKCommon.hpp  That fixes the AMDAPPSDK for quantal quetzal's gcc 4.7 compiler  and everything builds.
[13:22] <kroson> Hello, is there any way to use metacity only instead of compiz in unity?
[13:22] <kroson> Previously we had unity 2d available, but now it doesn't exist in ubuntu 12.10
[13:22] <kroson> Thank you
[13:27] <philinux> I dont think so
[13:28] <philinux> unity is a compiz plugin you could install a different DE
[13:35] <philinux> kroson: metacity is still in the repo just not installed. you'll have to try it to see
[13:35] <kroson> philinux: so what is a good option without 3d effects?
[13:35] <philinux> kroson: xfce or lxde
[13:36] <BluesKaj> kde
[13:37] <BluesKaj> you can have it both ways with kde , 3D or no 3D or dri
[13:37] <kroson> BluesKaj: what about gnome classic?
[13:38] <philinux> ah yes kde - last time I tried that 2 years ago all the fonts where tiny on the desktop.
[13:38] <BluesKaj> well , if that
[13:38] <BluesKaj> is your taste
[13:38] <kroson> ok, thank you
[13:38] <BluesKaj> I don't recall much about gnome 3D effects since I used it 6 yrs ago
[13:39] <kroson> BluesKaj: so you use kubuntu?
[13:39] <kroson> or ubuntu + kde?
[13:39] <BluesKaj> yes
[13:39] <BluesKaj> ubuntu+kde  is basically kubuntu
[13:40] <BluesKaj> you make a choice of desktop at login
[13:41] <BluesKaj> or you can have both full blown gnome and kde , but then you end up with duplicted apps with different names but do the same things
[13:41] <philinux> oh well he quit
[13:42] <BluesKaj> yeah , I saw that too late
[13:43] <BluesKaj> I have nothing against gnome , it's just not my taste
[13:43] <philinux> indeed
[13:44] <philinux> BluesKaj: what happens if a user installs metacity
[13:46] <BluesKaj> never used , it's just window manager that uses gnome ...kwin is the window manager in kde
[13:47] <philinux> Yep but would it knacker up a unity session. the guy could also install the fallback session too
[13:47] <BluesKaj> metacity isn't a desktop
[13:48] <philinux> yeah just a window manager i'm not experimenting either lol
[13:48] <philinux> BluesKaj: hows kde running for u
[13:48] <BluesKaj> great
[13:50] <philinux> I might give it a whirl on my spare hard drive in between 12.10 release and 13.04 toolchain upload
[13:50] <philinux> last time I found it a bit impenetrable
[13:53] <BluesKaj> i find kde very flexible , with more usability IME
[14:26] <Corelmen> hello
[14:26] <Corelmen> unity launcher to bottom of screen is that possible in ubuntu 12.10 ?
[14:27] <ActionParsnip> Corelmen: there was a PPA for Precise, not sure if it supports quantal
[14:27] <Corelmen> okay
[14:27] <Corelmen> thx i go and thy it right now
[14:28] <ActionParsnip> Corelmen: ah, its Oneiric only
[14:28] <ActionParsnip> Corelmen: http://www.webupd8.org/2011/11/install-ubuntu-unity-bottom-launcher.html
[14:29] <ActionParsnip> Corelmen: the only way to do it is to recode
[14:29] <Corelmen> and this one http://ishouvik.com/move-unity-launcher-to-bottom-12-0411-10
[14:30] <philinux> Corelmen: no can do in 12.10
[14:30] <ActionParsnip> Corelmen: same, read the text in blue
[14:30] <Corelmen> why canoncial does not make is possibel in unity as a switch ?
[14:31] <Corelmen> to put it on right, left, bottom
[14:32] <ActionParsnip> Corelmen: people been saying that for ages
[14:32] <ActionParsnip> Corelmen: you could always use Xubuntu and install docky (or similar) and use that
[14:33] <Corelmen> that true but is awesome is i don't need that and only use the launcher
[14:55] <Voronoi> has anyone had or heard about a problem where changes to /etc/default/grub, more specifically the default-setting would not go into effect after update-grub?
[14:57] <BluesKaj>  Voronoi changes always require update-grub to take effect
[14:58] <Voronoi> I know, but the thing is, even after I run it (and it finishes without errors or warnings), the default entry remains 0
[14:58] <Voronoi> come to think of it even the produced grub.cfg says default=6
[14:59] <BluesKaj> are you using root permissions when calling up default/grub ?
[14:59] <Voronoi> yep
[15:00] <BluesKaj> did you reboot , Voronoi ..that usually tells the tale
[15:00] <Voronoi> hmm how do you mean did I reboot? I reboot after updating it to bring up the grub menu in the first place
[15:03] <fnord`> Is there any way to disable the error pop ups?
[15:04] <fnord`> I'm getting them for apparently no reason
[15:04] <fnord`> the explanations they give, I believe are incorect
[15:04] <fnord`> I'd just like them to go away
[15:04] <fnord`> i never thought i'd deal with such a perdicament on Linux :P
[15:05] <fnord`> maybe it is finally the year of the linux desktop
[15:06] <philinux> fnord`: what do the pop ups say - are they crash reports from apport?
[15:08] <fnord`> philinux: maybe.. but if they are crash reports I couldn't tell you what is crashing. Some of them are related to the fact that my upgrade didn't go so smooth. It stalled in the middle and I had to restart it... Not worth going into too much detail because i cant reproduce the issues I had. I ended up finishing some of the job myself and I certainly have a working system... My popups range from "please report this error" to "can't grab keyboard -- someo
[15:08] <minimec> fnord`: sudo gedit /etc/default/apport --> enabled=0 That should do for the apport popups
[15:09] <fnord`> thank you kind sir :)
[15:09] <mikeconcepts>  purged 3.5.0-17 because it didn't boot, any way to fix that kernel?
[15:10] <fnord`> the errors often come when I wake my laptop up from sleep
[15:10] <mikeconcepts> Dell D-410 previous kernels work
[15:12] <philinux> mikeconcepts: I think thats the default kernel now. I'd just use the previous one until maybe 3.6 gets backported
[15:13] <mikeconcepts> ok philinux thankyou
[18:51] <javierf_> Hi! I've problems after upgrading to 12.10 with email notification in the indicator. If I get a mail, gnome osd-notify will pop a notification, but the indicator won't change its colour and nothing appears in the menu when oppening the indicator. I've been using popper notifier, but also gmail notifier or thunderbird notifications. In every case is the same issue, I've osd-notifications but no colour change o note in the indicator menu. So, OSD-notify w
[18:51] <javierf_> orks properly, not the indicator. Someone could help me fixing that? Thanks a lot!
[19:34] <pepee> hi
[19:34] <pepee> https://lwn.net/Articles/519656/
[19:36] <pepee> so, quantal will ship with 3.5, which will not be updated, while 3.6.2 is out
[19:37] <jtaylor> the kernel team will continue to maintain 3.5
[19:38] <pepee> what will they do? backport features?
[19:38] <jtaylor> rarely
[19:38] <jtaylor> bugfixes and sometimes new hardware support
[19:43] <penguin42> pepee: Remember quantal isn't LTS so it's lifetime isn't that long
[19:44] <pepee> yeah, I know. still, from what I've read, 3.6 has a lot of features, at least in open source graphics drivers
[19:45] <penguin42> pepee: The grass is always greener in the next kernel along; for a distro you've always got to make a cut off somewhere
[19:45] <jtaylor> no one stops you from installing 3.6
[19:45] <jtaylor> there is just no support for it from ubuntu
[19:46] <jtaylor> the kernel team has packages for all versions including rc's
[19:46] <pepee> I'll try it
[19:46] <penguin42> and anyway it'll only be a few days after Quantal lands that those of us wanting to stay on the bleeding edge might start playing with what ever is after
[19:46] <pepee> true, penguin42
[20:33] <MrChrisDruif> Rabid Rabbit? =P
[20:38] <penguin42> MrChrisDruif: Yeh that's my preferred name
[20:39] <MrChrisDruif> =)
[20:46] <ULO-Plio> Is it safe to install 12.10 daily on a production machine?
[20:47] <ULO-Plio> Seeing as how the final is being released in a few days anyways
[20:48] <MrChrisDruif> ULO-Plio; For production machines that can have NO downtime I'd suggest waiting even a few days post final release.
[20:48] <penguin42> ULO-Plio: As with any new installation it may have something horribly broken in it, there probably won't be many fixes that happen in the next few days, but those that do happen will probably due to really nasty things that definitely need fixing
[20:48] <ULO-Plio> Yikes
[20:49] <ULO-Plio> so should I just install 12.04
[20:49] <ULO-Plio> and then wait until 12.10 is released?
[20:49] <MrChrisDruif> Then all the 0-day bug fix updates are released as well.
[20:49] <penguin42> ULO-Plio: I mean it depends what you mean by 'production' - I still run 12.04 on machines that I need to work and keep running for a few years
[20:50] <ULO-Plio> Oh, I just mean a machine that I need every day. I used Windows 7 on this same machine for a lot of Adobe stuff, so I can't have it die on me even for a day.
[20:50] <ULO-Plio> Upgrading from 12.04 to 12.10 without a clean install shouldn't raise any problems, should it?
[20:51] <penguin42> ULO-Plio: Well if you can't have something die on you then you may as well wait for the release, of course that might still not like your hardware
[20:51] <penguin42> a 12.04 to 12.10 upgrade shouldn't be too bad; if you previously used Unity-2d you might want to check how well your machine likes 12.10 since Unity-2d has gone
[20:54] <ULO-Plio> I never run Unity 3D, so I don't think that'll be an issue. I'm just worried about random issues or bugs that may appear as a result of upgrading from .04 to .10. I know my performance from Vista to W7 was noticeably worse than when I did a clean install.
[20:55] <guntbert> ULO-Plio: mind you: 12.10 has no unity-2d any more
[20:55] <ULO-Plio> I guess I'm just really asking, because .10 has a bunch of features that I want like webapps and windows spread.
[20:55] <ULO-Plio> guntbert: sorry, I meant I never use 2D *
[20:55] <guntbert> ULO-Plio: fine then :)
[20:57] <ULO-Plio> guntbert: Cool, so an upgrade would be okay? (I want the best performance lol) or should I just wait until the 18th and do a clean install?
[20:58] <guntbert> ULO-Plio: well, I didn't play with 12.10 a lot - my (conservative) advice: wait till it is released, then try it with a live CD/usb, then run an upgrade
[21:00] <ULO-Plio> guntbert: Thanks :)
[21:01] <guntbert> ULO-Plio: have fun :)
[21:06] <ULO-Plio> oh right, I also wanted to ask: Will windows spread and webapps come to 12.04?
[21:07] <guntbert> ULO-Plio: the ubuntu philosophy is to not really touch a release, except for security fixes and bugs
[21:08] <ULO-Plio> Awwwwwwwwwwwww :( I guess I'll wait. Hahaha. Thanks
[21:28] <MrChrisDruif> He'd best dual-boot I guess.
[21:28] <MrChrisDruif> =)
[21:37] <dupondje> Its a shame that cifs/nfs mounts are hard locked when network connection was gone a while :(
[22:05] <simplew> im in dconf and i cant find ubuntu-overlay-scrollbars to be able to disable it, can anyone help?
[22:07] <trism> simplew: there is, make sure you are up-to-date...that said I don't know if the key does anything anymore
[22:09] <trism> simplew: ahh it was changed
[22:10] <trism> simplew: /com/canonical/desktop/interface scrollbar-mode
[22:10] <simplew> trism, to what value should i change?
[22:11] <trism> simplew: normal it seems
[22:12] <simplew> trism, how do i incrase the size of the scrollbars witdh?
[22:13] <trism> simplew: I imagine that would be more of a theming issue
[22:13] <simplew> trism, no clue whats the file i need to edit?
[22:14] <simplew> trism, by the way i have installed cinnamon
[22:14] <simplew> but the theme continues being the same
[22:15] <trism> simplew: if you are using Ambiance, /usr/share/themes/Ambiance/gtk-3.0/gtk-widgets.css looks promising (though I just grepped for scroll in that directory)
[22:17] <simplew> i see severall strings for width... now i dont know which to change
[22:18] <simplew> trism, after changing a value what should i do to have it in efect?
[22:19] <trism> simplew: switch to a different theme then switch back
[22:22] <simplew> trism, i have changed -GtkRange-slider-width:   from 14 to 19  and changed theme and got back to ambiance but i see no differences
[22:22] <trism> simplew: slider-width would appear to be the correct property but it is set at least 3 places in that file
[22:26] <simplew> trism, i have set them all to 25 and changed themes and theres no difference, dont know what more to do
[22:27] <simplew> trism, isnt created in user home a file regarding the theme?
[22:28] <simplew> if so that would be the file to edit?
[22:29] <simplew> but there are a varitey of things that are much better in kde, i think ill change to kde, gnome its still fuzzy in severall areas
[22:30] <simplew> trism, did you ever runned kde?
[22:31] <trism> simplew: I do not in general run kde
[22:31] <trism> simplew: if the app you are testing is gtk-2.0 and not gtk-3.0 you would need to change settings in the gtk-2.0 directory too
[22:35] <simplew> trism, yeap, now i see the difference
[22:39] <simplew> trism, i also see that the mouse movement and speed is much higher here that in windows or kde  and this isnt handy, isnt there a way standard value, in system definitions window, in the mouse and touchpad window, theres only a horizontal scrollbar without any values
[22:40] <simplew> trism, another that i miss a lot is the dolphin, the file manager, is much better that nautilus, it has a lot more of features and options available for the user