[09:40] <Recusant> chirp chirp..
[09:43] <Recusant> Hiya, i'm new to Ubuntu and i'm finding connecting to my NAS to be troublesome. I found a web page that is probably out of date because it's not exactly right, but i figued it out from it. My god it was more complicated than i thought it would be. Is it easier than this page suggests? http://www.scribbleit.co.uk/blog/how-to-get-ubuntu-10-10-to-access-network-attached-storage-devices/
[10:11] <geirha> Recusant: That's about as easy as it is in windows, isn't it?
[10:14] <geirha> If you intend for your NAS to be on 24/7, and you're connecting to it from a stationary computer, I'd consider using nfs instead
[10:16] <Recusant> Hi geirha, in Windows all i do is go to 'network' and click on the share i want. In Ubuntu, the shares don't appear. :(
[10:17] <Recusant> the NAS isn't 24/7.
[10:17] <Recusant> various computers connect to it, laptops, PCs, Media Players etc.
[10:18] <geirha> hm. Mine shows up with all the shares when I browse the network
[10:21] <Recusant> hmm.. i'm doing this on a wireless netbook - WUBI install as an experiment. I tried it with a hard wired PC earlier - it wouldn't see the NAS either. I have a vague recollection of using Mint Live (USB) on my main PC, and i could access the NAS as easily as you say. I wonder what the trick is.
[10:22] <geirha> This netbook is seeing it over the wireless connection
[10:23] <Recusant> Did you do any configuration to get it there, or you just installed it and fired it up and viola, your NAS was visible in your network drives?
[10:25] <geirha> pretty much
[10:28] <geirha> you are able to connect directly to it though? list its shares if you have the ip?
[10:29] <Recusant> good question. I'll try that after WinXP finishes it's shutdown updates. Gotta love Windows, eh? ;)
[10:29] <geirha> Do you know what domain/workgroup the nas is using?
[10:30] <Recusant> on a side note, are you using Ubuntu or Xubuntu on your netbook? This one i have is from 2009 - so pretty old.
[10:30] <Recusant> ..not old by computer standards, but netbooks aren't exactly beefy.
[10:30] <geirha> Ubuntu 12.04 and it was probably manufactured around 2010
[10:33] <Recusant> oh HAHAHHA, wth!
[10:34] <Recusant> i just rebooted, didn't change anything (well, removed a HOSTS file entry for another experiment/issue re seeing windows shares) and now the NAS APPEARS!
[10:34]  * Recusant confused.
[10:34] <Recusant> the hosts entry i made was after i wasn't seeing the NAS though, so i don't have a clue what was going on there.
[10:35] <Recusant> my other, experiment PC, also had this same problem earlier.
[10:35] <Recusant> That's for listening geirha :)
[10:36] <Recusant> while you're here - what might be an equivelent to Windows "end task" in the task manager?
[10:37] <geirha> I generally use the command line for that, but there should be a gui similar to task manager
[10:38] <Recusant> i was so excited to see the NAS, i clicked on it to enter and accidently hit 'ok' before entering credentials - it's sitting there and i can't cancel it :(
[10:38] <geirha> System Monitor
[10:39] <geirha> Ah yeah, that takes a while to fail. (Same problem in windows though)
[10:48] <Recusant> i figure it'll be quicker to reboot :P
[10:49] <Recusant> this is fun, maybe one day i'll be able to actually use Ubuntu and not spend all day just trying to figure out it's quirks.
[10:50] <Recusant> Mind you, i'm not completely sold on Unity. For actual productive work, i prefer Cinnamon i think (not that i've used it much at all.
[10:51] <geirha> Well, it's just the default desktop environment. You can install and use any DE/WM you like
[10:53] <Recusant> Yeah, i saw that i could install Cinnamon, which is why i decided to try to learn Ubuntu, rather than Mint. I build computers for charity, and XP is both too old and i don't have many licenses, so i looked at Linux. I've only just started.
[10:55] <geirha> kubuntu, lubuntu and xubuntu are also ubuntu btw. The only difference is that they have different default desktop environments
[10:58] <Recusant> i've installed Edubuntu on an old laptop, but i didn't really see the point of it. I kind of expected easy access to the different age-group tools/games. But nothing was categorised that i could see so i'd have to spend hours going through picking stuff out. Maybe if i'd chosen the 'gnome' desktop in the install options.
[10:59] <Recusant> I was going to put Xubuntu on the netbook, because i've read that it's lighter on resources.
[10:59] <Recusant> Thanks for your info/help this evening. I'm off to bed (2200hrs) Nice to know i can come here.
[15:02] <carolp> Hi there, back again. tonight I am working on another laptop with win7 collapsed!!
[15:03] <carolp> Problem is I am trying to instal ubuntu 12 desktop as I did last night on another laptop, only this time UBUNTU has a non-moving process "ntfsresize -f -i /dev/sda2"
[15:04] <carolp> on the hp laptop yesterday, I was offered the option to manually partition, but it has gone srtaight into auto partition on this tosh
[15:06] <carolp> By the way how can I find a chat room for fixing Furbys? Multitaskng here ...
[15:07] <carolp> sorry, that was offtoppic  whoops!
[15:08] <duanedesign> hello carolp
[15:08] <carolp> hi duane
[15:11] <duanedesign> carolp: what version of Windows did you have?
[15:11] <duanedesign> oops
[15:11] <duanedesign> sorry you said Win7
[15:12] <duanedesign> I am not immediately sure what the problem might be. I am poking around in some bugs to see if I can find anything
[15:12] <carolp> it's rubbish, but everybody I know still buys it
[15:13] <carolp> might be some laptops need a switch to find the option, but which and how?
[15:15] <carolp> On the hp last night I found that all of the disk was partitioneed -4 - for win7. This non-moving - can't say stopped! - process may be having the same hard time I had last night finding sufficient space ...
[15:16] <carolp> I have tried running sudo partman outside the instal but can't write the files and logs required on the disk!
[15:17] <carolp> onto the disc
[15:22] <duanedesign> carolp:  On the Live CD  you can go to System > Administration > GParted and resize your partitions before running the installer
[15:23] <duanedesign> actually that is probably a little different in Ubuntu 12.04
[15:24] <duanedesign> gparted could probably be found by opening the Dash (by clicking the Ubuntu icon in the top left) and typing in gparted
[15:25] <wilee-nilee> windows 7 has its own partitioner as well.
[15:26] <duanedesign> true. If you use the Windows partitioner be sure to defrag the disk first, The linux partitioners dont care about this step.
[15:30] <carolp> can't start win7 which is why I am installing ubuntu so that my mate can at least get at the precious stuff. Being a windozer I have to make it as simple as possible for them using ubuntu :D
[15:32] <carolp> I have quit the installation, but ntfsresize is still "running" - should I kill it?
[15:34] <geirha> carolp: how much did you resize it?
[15:34] <carolp> it went straight into auto partition - no manually partitioning offered
[15:38] <carolp> I've forgotten - the time , column 7 in ps -edf measures what? because it has gon eup from O to OO:OO:O1
[15:43] <duanedesign> Time
[15:43] <carolp> as in processng time or tme elapsed? If processing time it might still be doing something?
[15:44] <duanedesign> The cumulative execution time for the process
[15:44] <duanedesign> so the processing time
[15:45] <duanedesign> I hate to tell someone to quit the installer...but if it is stuck you might not have any other option
[15:46] <carolp> already quit the installer, now watching ntfsresize
[15:46] <carolp> it's been on that one for a long time - is it safe to kill it?
[15:48] <duanedesign> that is what I would probably do.
[15:52] <carolp> Been tracking through the pids and found it is resizing after "activate-dmraid" - is this perhaps significant?
[15:59] <carolp> ok ntfsresize killed, gparted now scanning - I'll keep you posted? thanks for your help so far.
[15:59] <duanedesign> dont think that is significant unless you have a RAID setup
[15:59] <carolp> I don't
[15:59] <duanedesign> kk
[17:01] <ack> My computer screen is black after loading Ubuntu, need a touch to see ?   can anyone help
[17:02] <thewrath> hey all
[17:05] <ack> I have the black screen of death
[17:05] <carolp> ntfsresize --info --force --no-progress-bar /dev/sda2   is what gparted is hung on, "Houston, we have a problem"
[17:07] <wilee-nilee> ack, Loaded means installed?
[17:59] <thewrath> ack it could be kernel panic
[17:59] <thewrath> how hard is it to set up a mail server on Ubuntu?
[17:59] <thewrath> I have a domain name but want to verify
[19:43] <carolp> so it finally sorted itself - there is some kind of problem with the windows partition /dev/sda2 which stalls ntfsresize during both instal and gparted. I have manually created / and /boot and I shall keep you posted as I proceed
[21:17] <thewrath> exit
[21:42] <t4nk803> What is a good book or online tutorial that I can get to become comfortable experimenting with my linux machine?