| daftykins | :) | 00:07 |
|---|---|---|
| daftykins | i see | 00:07 |
| shauno | translations are painfully non-obvious sometimes. found a word that translates into english as 'nails', but is actually 'cloves' | 00:11 |
| daftykins | of garlic? :) | 00:12 |
| shauno | clove the spice | 00:12 |
| daftykins | ah | 00:12 |
| shauno | same etymology though, yeah | 00:12 |
| shauno | nail is clavus in latin. so it almost makes sense. but I resorted to googling photos instead | 00:13 |
| daftykins | :D | 00:15 |
| daftykins | what's your mother tongue? | 00:16 |
| shauno | english :) | 00:16 |
| shauno | I'm from oxford. so reading slovak doesn't come naturally at all | 00:16 |
| daftykins | oh you're reading slovak... heh | 00:19 |
| daftykins | ok the brain is definitely a muscle XD i never used to be this thick :D | 00:19 |
| shauno | haha. blame the hour | 00:21 |
| daftykins | true | 00:22 |
| shauno | trying to decipher the menu for a wedding I'm to attend. I'm starting to worry that 'badger blood' won't be the only cultural barrier | 00:23 |
| shauno | but "apple and nail" was a bit of a double-take | 00:23 |
| daftykins | lmao | 00:25 |
| daftykins | hope you really like the bride or groom! | 00:26 |
| shauno | never met either of them :) I'm someone's +1. it's going to be awkward all 'round | 00:27 |
| daftykins | ah-har | 00:28 |
| daftykins | someone that can translate? :) | 00:28 |
| shauno | yeah. the groom's sort-of english speaking too (brummie) | 00:28 |
| daftykins | :D | 00:28 |
| === soreau_ is now known as soreau | ||
| === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away | ||
| christel | morning | 07:22 |
| MooDoo | morning all | 07:51 |
| christel | morning MooDoo | 07:51 |
| MooDoo | howdy christel are you well? | 07:51 |
| christel | i am very well! thyself? :) | 07:52 |
| MooDoo | christel: tired, but ok | 07:52 |
| christel | the boys have been carted off to rugby practise so i am enjoying a quiet morning :) | 07:52 |
| MooDoo | christel: i'm at work, but little one is teething and constantly up at 3am to play | 07:52 |
| christel | aww | 08:00 |
| bootljhfdsds | popey, Opened a can of worms yesterday on google plus ... | 08:04 |
| MooDoo | did he? what did he do? | 08:04 |
| bootljhfdsds | He basically asked what reasons are people not using Ubuntu .. | 08:04 |
| MooDoo | yeah just reading it now | 08:05 |
| bootljhfdsds | I think slashdot should ask the same question so that people can respond alot easier to points raised etc.. | 08:06 |
| MooDoo | but adobe products is mine | 08:06 |
| bootljhfdsds | I think slashdot should ask the same question so that people can respond alot easier to points raised etc..Oh Ok .. That's true .. but what about gimp and inkscape ? | 08:06 |
| bootljhfdsds | soz for the re-doing there... | 08:07 |
| MooDoo | yeah gimp is good, i did a talk on that the other day :) | 08:07 |
| bootljhfdsds | cant you use CS2 under now anyhow ? what is the main drawback of not having it ? | 08:07 |
| MooDoo | I use cs6 | 08:08 |
| bootljhfdsds | **under WINE | 08:08 |
| bootljhfdsds | on Ubuntu ? | 08:08 |
| MooDoo | no windows 7, I dual boot ubuntu and windows | 08:08 |
| bootljhfdsds | Oh Ok.. | 08:08 |
| bootljhfdsds | Any other projects you are involved with? | 08:09 |
| MooDoo | bootljhfdsds: i'm a fedora mentor as well | 08:11 |
| MooDoo | although not done it for a while | 08:12 |
| bootljhfdsds | Oh Ok .. I do netbook/laptop tests for my local Lug/ h-node.org I'd love to know how to get parabola up and running on some of them :) | 08:13 |
| bootljhfdsds | Of course there is #parabola for that ;) | 08:15 |
| MooDoo | lol | 08:17 |
| bootljhfdsds | I have an attack of the small-flys and I found myself dancing to Will Smith a minute ago ... Saturday is *not* going well .. | 08:20 |
| bootljhfdsds | What The Fud .. Now my parents want to have a coffee with me in the next village in an hour ... Could it get *any* worse ? | 08:26 |
| MooDoo | bootljhfdsds: yes they are making you pay and want a full english as well ;) | 08:39 |
| bootljhfdsds | MooDoo, Worse part is .. there wont be any breakfast as there isn't a proper café .. Sooo It'll be : Why no grandchildren ? and probably only Tea not Coffee ! Yukk! | 09:05 |
| bootljhfdsds | People of the IRChat room : I need to convert them to Ubuntu .. What debating factors would appeal to a couple of 60 years olds, these days ? | 09:06 |
| czajkowski | bootljhfdsds: http://whyubuntu.org/ | 09:14 |
| brobostigon | good morning everyone. | 09:22 |
| bootljhfdsds | oh no they are here ! AAAAAAArrrgh ! | 09:23 |
| MooDoo | bootljhfdsds: 60years? i wouldn't even bother trying to be honest....too set in their ways. | 09:27 |
| MartijnVdS | bootljhfdsds: are they already computer literate, or not? | 09:29 |
| === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte | ||
| AlanBell | ooh a 60GB SSD has arrived | 09:42 |
| MartijnVdS | AlanBell: out of nowhere? | 09:42 |
| christel | for me? aw, you shouldn't have! | 10:08 |
| constrictor | looking for the RC image but all there is is Beta 2 is that the RC image? | 10:10 |
| MartijnVdS | is rc out yet? | 10:11 |
| MartijnVdS | constrictor: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/240/builds ? | 10:12 |
| constrictor | MartijnVdS: thanks for this, what is the difference between Ubuntu Desktop amd64 and Ubuntu Desktop amd64+mac | 10:14 |
| MartijnVdS | I have no idea | 10:14 |
| MartijnVdS | this is the first google hit ;) | 10:14 |
| constrictor | anyone using Quantal yet? | 10:18 |
| MartijnVdS | \o | 10:21 |
| bigcalm | Good Saturday morning peeps. It's the weekend and I'm getting urgent emergency fix emails from clients. FML | 10:24 |
| === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away | ||
| AlanBell | we have a pumpkin | 10:32 |
| kvarley | Can anybody point me in the direction of a portable LAMP setup guide or a guide that sets up LAMP in your home directory? | 10:32 |
| MartijnVdS | AlanBell: it's the season! | 10:33 |
| MartijnVdS | kvarley: in your homedir? you'd have to compile everything.. *shudder* | 10:33 |
| kvarley | Urgh | 10:33 |
| kvarley | Need to set it up so that www-data still owns everything in /var/www but I can edit from my user account. Easiest way to do that is with a user group? | 10:34 |
| MartijnVdS | Yes by adding the user(s) to www-data | 10:34 |
| MartijnVdS | if you want to run more than one site, per-site directories in /srv tend to be used | 10:35 |
| === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte | ||
| MooDoo | bigcalm: your internet is down ;) | 10:35 |
| bigcalm | MooDoo: how dare it | 10:35 |
| MooDoo | bigcalm: no i mean it's down so you don't get the emails ;) that's what you tell your customers :p | 10:36 |
| swattor_ | morning | 10:40 |
| jacobw | morning | 10:41 |
| swattor_ | how are we all? | 10:41 |
| AlanBell | good thanks swattor_ | 10:44 |
| AlanBell | think I might do a fresh quantal install on my new SSD | 10:44 |
| AlanBell | think I am going to be a vampire for halloween | 10:46 |
| kvarley | AlanBell: SSDs are fantastic | 10:46 |
| kvarley | You won't be disappointed | 10:46 |
| AlanBell | yeah, I have a 240GB SSD, this was a 60GB one for £30 | 10:46 |
| AlanBell | wanted it as a slot in spare/clean one | 10:47 |
| MooDoo | i use ssh they rock | 10:47 |
| AlanBell | I got a customer to buy a server that has 3 SSDs | 10:47 |
| AlanBell | halloween party invitation replied to now | 10:49 |
| AlanBell | maybe I should go as Jimmy Saville instead | 10:49 |
| swattor_ | HAH | 10:51 |
| swattor_ | i'm thinking about getting an SSD for my (4 year old) netbook | 10:52 |
| swattor_ | not sure whether that's just throwing good money after bad though | 10:53 |
| kvarley | I've added myself to the www-data group but still cannot edit directories in /srv/ I assume I need to chown the dirs to the www-data group? | 10:53 |
| AlanBell | swattor_: £30 seems a reasonable price for a performance boost | 10:53 |
| MartijnVdS | http://www.oracle.com/index.html | 10:53 |
| swattor_ | AlanBell: are they £30 now?! | 10:54 |
| swattor_ | jeebus | 10:54 |
| AlanBell | yeah, ebuyer were doing these kingston 60GB ones for £30 | 10:54 |
| constrictor | machine going down for quantal install I will see you all on the other side... if I make it | 10:59 |
| bigcalm | Wow, the prices are really coming down at last. Phew | 11:00 |
| * MartijnVdS can't decide | 11:00 | |
| MartijnVdS | - buy 60D | 11:00 |
| MartijnVdS | - Wait for 70D | 11:00 |
| MartijnVdS | - Buy new i7 machine | 11:00 |
| brobostigon | woop android 4.1.2 ota update, :) | 11:03 |
| MartijnVdS | brobostigon: which phone? | 11:04 |
| brobostigon | MartijnVdS: nexus7. | 11:04 |
| MartijnVdS | ah, tablet | 11:05 |
| brobostigon | yes. | 11:06 |
| Myrtti | "oops" http://www.oracle.com/index.html | 11:13 |
| AlanBell | oh dear | 11:13 |
| zleap | lol, does that mean they were hacked ? | 11:13 |
| * AlanBell is running on the new SSD now | 11:14 | |
| zleap | ok | 11:14 |
| zleap | AlanBell, Will post SAE off this week are you able to incljde some server cd's too please ? | 11:15 |
| AlanBell | zleap: sure, just pop a note in reminding me | 11:15 |
| zleap | thanks | 11:15 |
| AlanBell | well the only slow thing on my desktop now is the dash :( | 11:18 |
| MartijnVdS | AlanBell: blamepopey.co.uk | 11:19 |
| jacobw | server not found | 11:21 |
| jacobw | :( | 11:21 |
| AlanBell | well gnome shell manages to speak the buttons | 11:22 |
| AlanBell | and has an alt-tab switcher that I can live with | 11:23 |
| AlanBell | can't get to the indicators in gnome shell | 11:25 |
| jacobw | mutter performs much better than compiz in most operations | 11:25 |
| AlanBell | however, if I knew how to get to the panel it all *works* with the keyboard and reads correctly | 11:26 |
| AlanBell | so sad that unity and Gnome shell are not the same thing | 11:26 |
| AlanBell | oh wow, their alt-tab indicates which workspace windows are on | 11:28 |
| AlanBell | and notifications stack up in the dash area! | 11:28 |
| AlanBell | don't seem to be accessible, but this is annoyingly good compared to Unity | 11:29 |
| jacobw | the search actually finds things too | 11:30 |
| jacobw | type 'pear' and get 'Appearances' etc | 11:30 |
| AlanBell | so you do. I am unconvinced that this is a feature though | 11:32 |
| AlanBell | I would not type pear if I wanted appearances | 11:32 |
| jacobw | but you might type 'fox' or 'box' for FF or RB | 11:33 |
| jacobw | hey dogmatic69 | 11:33 |
| dogmatic69 | sup | 11:35 |
| AlanBell | jacobw: best thing is that it doesn't show stuff from the software centre | 11:38 |
| jacobw | indeed | 11:38 |
| Nafallo | hrm. looks like my uupc mirror hadn't been kicked since may... | 11:39 |
| AlanBell | and the categories/filters are not hidden | 11:39 |
| bootljhfdsds | I'm back from the "Why no grandchildren ?" Lunch meeting with my Parents :) | 11:39 |
| Nafallo | have the show stopped coming out with new releases or something? | 11:39 |
| AlanBell | bootljhfdsds: have you been set targets? | 11:39 |
| AlanBell | targets must be specifc, measurable, attainable, realistic and timely | 11:40 |
| Nafallo | May even | 11:40 |
| bootljhfdsds | I can barely manage a scrabled egg these days ;) | 11:40 |
| bootljhfdsds | My Mother is doing a photography short course with the OU, so everything/everyone had to be photo-ed ... I almost felt Japanese :) | 11:42 |
| bootljhfdsds | sorry 4 going offtopix but MooDoo did ask. | 11:46 |
| bootljhfdsds | ... Just reading the log while I've been away .. AlanBell : Sounds good this SSD . I got a 128GB to triple boot my MESH-PC desktop .. seems to comply with most things I can throw at it.. | 11:49 |
| bootljhfdsds | It seems everything is 3 or Tri's on my desktop ... Tri-core, Tri-OSboot, 3 screens etc .. Just need a good blog name and I'll blog about my progress. Anyone think of a good name ? | 11:51 |
| bootljhfdsds | .. give me something to-do over the winter on the weekends :) | 11:52 |
| bootljhfdsds | Oh, the new LUG is next weekend if anyone is over on holiday or anything ... | 11:53 |
| jacobw | Tri-als and tri-bulations of a tri-desktop | 11:53 |
| bootljhfdsds | that's good jacobw ! I'll use tri-als, me thinks. Althou the 2nd one is cool too. | 11:55 |
| bootljhfdsds | tri-bulations of hardware. Contribulations of software .. sounds like a plan :) | 11:56 |
| * bootljhfdsds slips jacobw a nice cool beer. | 11:57 | |
| jacobw | ha, thanks :) | 12:02 |
| SuperEngineer | o/ | 12:08 |
| bootljhfdsds | O/ | 12:17 |
| === ram_ is now known as scroob1us | ||
| ali1234 | why did the mysql root password change? | 14:17 |
| mattt | ali1234: whut? | 14:18 |
| ali1234 | yesterday i set the mysql root password on my server. today it has changed, and i had to reset it again. | 14:18 |
| ali1234 | apparently a upgrade was done on the server | 14:19 |
| === PaulW2U_ is now known as G4MBY | ||
| === G4MBY is now known as Guest99936 | ||
| === Guest99936 is now known as G4MBY | ||
| bigcalm | Has anybody experienced mysql not starting at boot? | 14:49 |
| bigcalm | Doh, forgot that I hadn't started irssi behind a screen | 14:52 |
| bigcalm | MySQL not starting at boot: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1277001/ | 14:52 |
| * AlanBell just went to PC World | 15:18 | |
| AlanBell | and bought all the things | 15:18 |
| Nafallo | you did not | 15:20 |
| AlanBell | well, I got a USB enclosure for the SSD, and a bluetooth sound receiver and a Nexus 7 | 15:25 |
| brobostigon | android 4.1.2 will be waiting for you, :) | 15:27 |
| Nafallo | that's far from all the things | 15:27 |
| SuperEngineer | AlanBell: is the USB enclosure what one might also call a Gnome Shell? | 15:28 |
| ali1234 | bigcalm: that usualy means a corrupted table | 15:28 |
| bigcalm | ali1234: ta, I'll see what might need fixing | 15:47 |
| bigcalm | It starts just fine with upstart, but not at boot | 15:47 |
| popey | pip pip | 15:52 |
| shauno | is usb not a huge bottleneck for a ssd? | 16:08 |
| AlanBell | shauno: probably, but so is not having an empty sata bay to put it in | 16:11 |
| AlanBell | I now have a silent, big, fast USB key | 16:12 |
| AlanBell | 480MBit isn't exactly slow | 16:12 |
| AlanBell | and I can take the drive out and put it in the laptop if I want to | 16:12 |
| shauno | I guess being a bit less fragile would be a nice point for something that's meant to be baggable. but I've never seem usb2 go anywhere near 480 in the real world | 16:15 |
| AlanBell | I will do an hdparm test in a bit | 16:15 |
| AlanBell | just ingesting some CDs for the new tablet to play | 16:15 |
| shauno | mostly just jealous. I don't have enough SSDs to start running out of space to put them :) | 16:16 |
| shauno | oh, last night's nvram thing .. the clarity of daylight found me a much, much simpler solution. turns out it was calling an external binary to read the nvram (rtl8139-diag). so I just replaced that with a glorified 'hello world' :) | 16:17 |
| AlanBell | http://paste.ubuntu.com/1277194/ | 16:20 |
| AlanBell | sda is internal, sdb is the USB enclosure | 16:20 |
| AlanBell | so yeah, buffered reads are quite a lot slower, but still quite handy | 16:21 |
| shauno | that's why I play the oddball and get firewire enclosures. that's less than half of what usb2 is theoretically capable of | 16:24 |
| AlanBell | yeah, but I have no firewire :( | 16:24 |
| AlanBell | except on a really crusty old computer | 16:25 |
| AlanBell | err, that I took to the dump | 16:25 |
| AlanBell | I have no firewire | 16:25 |
| AlanBell | I have the PCI firewire card, but nothing to put it in I think | 16:25 |
| shauno | I guess that'd put a slight dampner on things | 16:26 |
| AlanBell | hmm, might be able to take the front plate off the card and sqeeze it into a machine | 16:28 |
| === JethroTroll is now known as GentileBen | ||
| AlanBell | yay, I have firewire (bit wobbly) | 16:31 |
| MartijnVdS | wibbly wobbly firey wirey? | 16:52 |
| bigcalm | On my own tonight, what shall I have for tea? | 17:15 |
| AlanBell | curry | 17:15 |
| bigcalm | Had curry on Wednesday evening | 17:18 |
| bigcalm | Like to vary things a little | 17:18 |
| MartijnVdS | pancakes | 17:18 |
| bigcalm | MartijnVdS: I'm more inclined to get takeaway | 17:19 |
| MartijnVdS | you don't have takeaway pancakes?! | 17:19 |
| MartijnVdS | poor uncivilised part of the world :( | 17:19 |
| MartijnVdS | ;) | 17:19 |
| bigcalm | Never heard of such a thing | 17:19 |
| bigcalm | Pizza options (by distance): local kebab house, generic style pizzas. Domino's. PizzaHut | 17:21 |
| bigcalm | Chip shops: 2 locally | 17:21 |
| MartijnVdS | bigcalm: go to kebab house, ask for 'kapsalon' - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kapsalon | 17:21 |
| bigcalm | Chinese takeaway: 3 locally | 17:22 |
| bigcalm | MartijnVdS: really not a fan of doner meat :S | 17:22 |
| bigcalm | I guess the question is: how far do I want to drive? | 17:23 |
| bigcalm | Nobody does delivery to my house | 17:23 |
| bigcalm | I now want all the takeaways | 17:28 |
| bigcalm | Eat all the things | 17:28 |
| MartijnVdS | bigcalm, eh | 17:28 |
| xnox | I opened the bug, read it, and think "What a stupid bug reporter, this is such old news it's not even funny. it's a duplicate and fix released". Look up. Notice that the original reporter is..... me. | 17:28 |
| xnox | fml | 17:28 |
| bigcalm | Back to washing up I go | 17:28 |
| penguin42 | xnox: Haha | 17:36 |
| penguin42 | xnox: Yes, that sudden dawning that it sounds familiar... | 17:36 |
| * MartijnVdS plays with CSS, Javascript and SVG a bit more | 17:42 | |
| MartijnVdS | lots of fun to make things blink based on a JSON document :) | 17:42 |
| * penguin42 should play with JSON some time | 17:51 | |
| shauno | AlanBell: just outta curiousity, tried a firewire external I have now that I'm home. 71MB/s over fw800, 34MB/s over usb2 (same drive/enclosure). a bit less convenient (/universal), but has its moments :) | 18:01 |
| AlanBell | measured with hdparm? | 18:02 |
| shauno | nah, some fluffy app I have (I only have linux in VMs, so measuring disk from there is sketchy) | 18:02 |
| shauno | http://cl.ly/image/3R2z2m0F023E big & pretty, and gives a lot less detail :( | 18:04 |
| AlanBell | and that is spinning rust in the enclosure? | 18:04 |
| shauno | it is | 18:04 |
| shauno | I'd be curious to try an ssd in the fw enclosure, but I don't have spares laying around | 18:07 |
| popey | hah, i know that app | 18:12 |
| shauno | of course. it's the first thing you do with an ssd :) (ala http://cl.ly/image/411U1J1C3a3S ) | 18:13 |
| jonesypeter | Hi, may I ask what software the Ubuntu-uk website uses? Is it MoinMoin? Also how is the map of users made? Thanks | 18:47 |
| AlanBell | jonesypeter: it is wordpress | 18:47 |
| AlanBell | and that map is a cunning plugin written by someone from the russian loco team I think | 18:48 |
| jonesypeter | Thanks Alan. Great interview with Mark Shuttleworth on the last show by the way. Thanks | 18:48 |
| AlanBell | cunning as a fox that is professor of cunning at cunningham university | 18:48 |
| AlanBell | that would be other alan | 18:48 |
| AlanBell | popey | 18:48 |
| jonesypeter | Many thanks. | 18:48 |
| AlanBell | and no spoilers, I haven't listened to it yet! | 18:48 |
| popey | technically tonytiger | 18:49 |
| jonesypeter | Sorry.... | 18:49 |
| popey | he recorded it | 18:49 |
| AlanBell | wonder if banshee will import 2 cds at a time | 19:01 |
| popey | i spy a reflection of AlanBell in his window | 19:02 |
| * popey waves | 19:02 | |
| popey | lol | 19:03 |
| popey | Hello! | 19:03 |
| AlanBell | :) | 19:03 |
| popey | You should get another chair so she doesn't have to sit on your lap :) | 19:04 |
| * popey stops being creepy | 19:04 | |
| christel | :o | 19:09 |
| AlanBell | ooh, yes, banshee can import from multiple CDs at once | 19:13 |
| AlanBell | now how many can I plug in I wonder | 19:13 |
| AlanBell | good thing we have two music players, I can import CDs in banshee because that works, and then put the music on devices using Rhythmbox because that works | 19:17 |
| czajkowski | aloha | 20:28 |
| AlanBell | o/ | 20:29 |
| AlanBell | missing London yet? | 20:30 |
| czajkowski | some things :) | 20:31 |
| AlanBell | sirens? | 20:32 |
| zleap | lol | 20:32 |
| czajkowski | nah tbh I dont even hear them any more | 20:35 |
| czajkowski | you ge the odd one where I am | 20:35 |
| czajkowski | was much louder at E&C but still you knida get used to it | 20:35 |
| directhex | KITTIES! | 20:45 |
| AlanBell | chinchilla kitties? | 20:46 |
| directhex | we've been looking at getting a cat. however, i have a cat allergy | 20:49 |
| czajkowski | directhex: get a dog :D | 20:51 |
| christel | problem solved! | 20:51 |
| directhex | czajkowski: we have no garden | 20:51 |
| czajkowski | small dog | 20:51 |
| czajkowski | walk it lots | 20:52 |
| christel | don't get a small dog, small dogs look silly and make lots of noise! | 20:52 |
| directhex | yeah, what christel said | 20:53 |
| shauno | don't get a dog. they make children look intelligence. if you can't have a cat, grow herbs for the kitchen. | 21:04 |
| shauno | (*intelligent. I'm sober, honestly) | 21:05 |
| AlanBell | hmm, so am I. I should rectify that. | 21:05 |
| bigcalm | I have to play Taxi Man in a bit. Will rectify this sober state later | 21:05 |
| shauno | thanks to a fun shift pattern, I have to be up at 5am. this *is* rectified | 21:06 |
| penguin42 | ouch | 22:26 |
| AlanBell | well mtp devices with more than a few files on kind of suck on Ubuntu :( | 22:30 |
| penguin42 | I think there is a bug open for that | 22:34 |
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