[00:07] <daftykins> :)
[00:07] <daftykins> i see
[00:11] <shauno> translations are painfully non-obvious sometimes.  found a word that translates into english as 'nails', but is actually 'cloves'
[00:12] <daftykins> of garlic? :)
[00:12] <shauno> clove the spice
[00:12] <daftykins> ah
[00:12] <shauno> same etymology though, yeah
[00:13] <shauno> nail is clavus in latin.  so it almost makes sense.  but I resorted to googling photos instead
[00:15] <daftykins> :D
[00:16] <daftykins> what's your mother tongue?
[00:16] <shauno> english :)
[00:16] <shauno> I'm from oxford.  so reading slovak doesn't come naturally at all
[00:19] <daftykins> oh you're reading slovak... heh
[00:19] <daftykins> ok the brain is definitely a muscle XD i never used to be this thick :D
[00:21] <shauno> haha.  blame the hour
[00:22] <daftykins> true
[00:23] <shauno> trying to decipher the menu for a wedding I'm to attend.  I'm starting to worry that 'badger blood' won't be the only cultural barrier
[00:23] <shauno> but "apple and nail" was a bit of a double-take
[00:25] <daftykins> lmao
[00:26] <daftykins> hope you really like the bride or groom!
[00:27] <shauno> never met either of them :)  I'm someone's +1.  it's going to be awkward all 'round
[00:28] <daftykins> ah-har
[00:28] <daftykins> someone that can translate? :)
[00:28] <shauno> yeah.  the groom's sort-of english speaking too (brummie)
[00:28] <daftykins> :D
[07:22] <christel> morning
[07:51] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:51] <christel> morning MooDoo
[07:51] <MooDoo> howdy christel are you well?
[07:52] <christel> i am very well! thyself? :)
[07:52] <MooDoo> christel: tired, but ok
[07:52] <christel> the boys have been carted off to rugby practise so i am enjoying a quiet morning :)
[07:52] <MooDoo> christel: i'm at work, but little one is teething and constantly up at 3am to play
[08:00] <christel> aww
[08:04] <bootljhfdsds> popey, Opened a can of worms yesterday on google plus ...
[08:04] <MooDoo> did he?  what did he do?
[08:04] <bootljhfdsds> He basically asked what reasons are people not using Ubuntu ..
[08:05] <MooDoo> yeah just reading it now
[08:06] <bootljhfdsds> I think slashdot should ask the same question so that people can respond alot easier to points raised etc..
[08:06] <MooDoo> but adobe products is mine
[08:06] <bootljhfdsds> I think slashdot should ask the same question so that people can respond alot easier to points raised etc..Oh Ok .. That's true .. but what about gimp and inkscape ?
[08:07] <bootljhfdsds> soz for the re-doing there...
[08:07] <MooDoo> yeah gimp is good, i did a talk on that the other day :)
[08:07] <bootljhfdsds> cant you use CS2 under now anyhow ? what is the main drawback of not having it ?
[08:08] <MooDoo> I use cs6
[08:08] <bootljhfdsds> **under WINE
[08:08] <bootljhfdsds> on Ubuntu ?
[08:08] <MooDoo> no windows 7, I dual boot ubuntu and windows
[08:08] <bootljhfdsds> Oh Ok..
[08:09] <bootljhfdsds> Any other projects you are involved with?
[08:11] <MooDoo> bootljhfdsds: i'm a fedora mentor as well
[08:12] <MooDoo> although not done it for a while
[08:13] <bootljhfdsds> Oh Ok .. I do netbook/laptop tests for my local Lug/ h-node.org  I'd love to know how to get parabola up and running on some of them :)
[08:15] <bootljhfdsds> Of course there is #parabola for that ;)
[08:17] <MooDoo> lol
[08:20] <bootljhfdsds> I have an attack of the small-flys and I found myself dancing to Will Smith a minute ago ... Saturday is  *not* going well ..
[08:26] <bootljhfdsds> What The Fud .. Now my parents want to have a coffee with me in the next village in an hour ... Could it get *any* worse ?
[08:39] <MooDoo> bootljhfdsds: yes they are making you pay and want a full english as well ;)
[09:05] <bootljhfdsds> MooDoo, Worse part is .. there wont be any breakfast as there isn't a proper café  .. Sooo It'll be : Why no grandchildren ? and probably only Tea not Coffee ! Yukk!
[09:06] <bootljhfdsds> People of the IRChat  room : I need to convert them to Ubuntu .. What debating factors would appeal to a couple of 60 years olds, these days ?
[09:14] <czajkowski> bootljhfdsds: http://whyubuntu.org/
[09:22] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:23] <bootljhfdsds> oh no they are here ! AAAAAAArrrgh !
[09:27] <MooDoo> bootljhfdsds: 60years?  i wouldn't even bother trying to be honest....too set in their ways.
[09:29] <MartijnVdS> bootljhfdsds: are they already computer literate, or not?
[09:42] <AlanBell> ooh a 60GB SSD has arrived
[09:42] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: out of nowhere?
[10:08] <christel> for me? aw, you shouldn't have!
[10:10] <constrictor> looking for the RC image but all there is is Beta 2 is that the RC image?
[10:11] <MartijnVdS> is rc out yet?
[10:12] <MartijnVdS> constrictor: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/240/builds ?
[10:14] <constrictor> MartijnVdS: thanks for this, what is the difference between Ubuntu Desktop amd64 and Ubuntu Desktop amd64+mac
[10:14] <MartijnVdS> I have no idea
[10:14] <MartijnVdS> this is the first google hit ;)
[10:18] <constrictor> anyone using Quantal yet?
[10:21] <MartijnVdS> \o
[10:24] <bigcalm> Good Saturday morning peeps. It's the weekend and I'm getting urgent emergency fix emails from clients. FML
[10:32] <AlanBell> we have a pumpkin
[10:32] <kvarley> Can anybody point me in the direction of a portable LAMP setup guide or a guide that sets up LAMP in your home directory?
[10:33] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: it's the season!
[10:33] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: in your homedir? you'd have to compile everything.. *shudder*
[10:33] <kvarley> Urgh
[10:34] <kvarley> Need to set it up so that www-data still owns everything in /var/www but I can edit from my user account. Easiest way to do that is with a user group?
[10:34] <MartijnVdS> Yes by adding the user(s) to www-data
[10:35] <MartijnVdS> if you want to run more than one site, per-site directories in /srv tend to be used
[10:35] <MooDoo> bigcalm: your internet is down ;)
[10:35] <bigcalm> MooDoo: how dare it
[10:36] <MooDoo> bigcalm: no i mean it's down so you don't get the emails ;) that's what you tell your customers :p
[10:40] <swattor_> morning
[10:41] <jacobw> morning
[10:41] <swattor_> how are we all?
[10:44] <AlanBell> good thanks swattor_
[10:44] <AlanBell> think I might do a fresh quantal install on my new SSD
[10:46] <AlanBell> think I am going to be a vampire for halloween
[10:46] <kvarley> AlanBell: SSDs are fantastic
[10:46] <kvarley> You won't be disappointed
[10:46] <AlanBell> yeah, I have a 240GB SSD, this was a 60GB one for £30
[10:47] <AlanBell> wanted it as a slot in spare/clean one
[10:47] <MooDoo> i use ssh they rock
[10:47] <AlanBell> I got a customer to buy a server that has 3 SSDs
[10:49] <AlanBell> halloween party invitation replied to now
[10:49] <AlanBell> maybe I should go as Jimmy Saville instead
[10:51] <swattor_> HAH
[10:52] <swattor_> i'm thinking about getting an SSD for my (4 year old) netbook
[10:53] <swattor_> not sure whether that's just throwing good money after bad though
[10:53] <kvarley> I've added myself to the www-data group but still cannot edit directories in /srv/ I assume I need to chown the dirs to the www-data group?
[10:53] <AlanBell> swattor_: £30 seems a reasonable price for a performance boost
[10:53] <MartijnVdS> http://www.oracle.com/index.html
[10:54] <swattor_> AlanBell: are they £30 now?!
[10:54] <swattor_> jeebus
[10:54] <AlanBell> yeah, ebuyer were doing these kingston 60GB ones for £30
[10:59] <constrictor> machine going down for quantal install I will see you all on the other side... if I make it
[11:00] <bigcalm> Wow, the prices are really coming down at last. Phew
[11:00]  * MartijnVdS can't decide
[11:00] <MartijnVdS> - buy 60D
[11:00] <MartijnVdS> - Wait for 70D
[11:00] <MartijnVdS> - Buy new i7 machine
[11:03] <brobostigon> woop android 4.1.2 ota update, :)
[11:04] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: which phone?
[11:04] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: nexus7.
[11:05] <MartijnVdS> ah, tablet
[11:06] <brobostigon> yes.
[11:13] <Myrtti> "oops" http://www.oracle.com/index.html
[11:13] <AlanBell> oh dear
[11:13] <zleap> lol,   does that mean they were hacked ?
[11:14]  * AlanBell is running on the new SSD now
[11:14] <zleap> ok
[11:15] <zleap> AlanBell,  Will post SAE off this week are you able to incljde some server cd's too please ?
[11:15] <AlanBell> zleap: sure, just pop a note in reminding me
[11:15] <zleap> thanks
[11:18] <AlanBell> well the only slow thing on my desktop now is the dash :(
[11:19] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: blamepopey.co.uk
[11:21] <jacobw> server not found
[11:21] <jacobw> :(
[11:22] <AlanBell> well gnome shell manages to speak the buttons
[11:23] <AlanBell> and has an alt-tab switcher that I can live with
[11:25] <AlanBell> can't get to the indicators in gnome shell
[11:25] <jacobw> mutter performs much better than compiz in most operations
[11:26] <AlanBell> however, if I knew how to get to the panel it all *works* with the keyboard and reads correctly
[11:26] <AlanBell> so sad that unity and Gnome shell are not the same thing
[11:28] <AlanBell> oh wow, their alt-tab indicates which workspace windows are on
[11:28] <AlanBell> and notifications stack up in the dash area!
[11:29] <AlanBell> don't seem to be accessible, but this is annoyingly good compared to Unity
[11:30] <jacobw> the search actually finds things too
[11:30] <jacobw> type 'pear' and get 'Appearances' etc
[11:32] <AlanBell> so you do. I am unconvinced that this is a feature though
[11:32] <AlanBell> I would not type pear if I wanted appearances
[11:33] <jacobw> but you might type 'fox' or 'box' for FF or RB
[11:33] <jacobw> hey dogmatic69
[11:35] <dogmatic69> sup
[11:38] <AlanBell> jacobw: best thing is that it doesn't show stuff from the software centre
[11:38] <jacobw> indeed
[11:39] <Nafallo> hrm. looks like my uupc mirror hadn't been kicked since may...
[11:39] <AlanBell> and the categories/filters are not hidden
[11:39] <bootljhfdsds> I'm back from the "Why no grandchildren ?" Lunch meeting with my Parents :)
[11:39] <Nafallo> have the show stopped coming out with new releases or something?
[11:39] <AlanBell> bootljhfdsds: have you been set targets?
[11:40] <AlanBell> targets must be specifc, measurable, attainable, realistic and timely
[11:40] <Nafallo> May even
[11:40] <bootljhfdsds> I can barely manage a scrabled egg these days ;)
[11:42] <bootljhfdsds> My Mother is doing a photography short course with the OU, so everything/everyone had to be photo-ed ... I almost felt Japanese  :)
[11:46] <bootljhfdsds> sorry 4 going offtopix but MooDoo did ask.
[11:49] <bootljhfdsds> ... Just reading the log while I've been away .. AlanBell : Sounds good this SSD . I got a 128GB to triple boot my MESH-PC desktop .. seems to comply with most things I can throw at it..
[11:51] <bootljhfdsds> It seems everything is 3 or Tri's on my desktop ... Tri-core, Tri-OSboot, 3 screens etc .. Just need a good blog name and I'll blog about my progress. Anyone think of a good name ?
[11:52] <bootljhfdsds> .. give me something to-do over the winter on the weekends :)
[11:53] <bootljhfdsds> Oh, the new LUG is next weekend if anyone is over on holiday or anything ...
[11:53] <jacobw> Tri-als and tri-bulations of a tri-desktop
[11:55] <bootljhfdsds> that's good jacobw ! I'll use tri-als, me thinks. Althou the 2nd one is cool too.
[11:56] <bootljhfdsds> tri-bulations of hardware. Contribulations of software .. sounds like a plan :)
[11:57]  * bootljhfdsds slips jacobw a nice cool beer.
[12:02] <jacobw> ha, thanks :)
[12:08] <SuperEngineer> o/
[12:17] <bootljhfdsds> O/
[14:17] <ali1234> why did the mysql root password change?
[14:18] <mattt> ali1234: whut?
[14:18] <ali1234> yesterday i set the mysql root password on my server. today it has changed, and i had to reset it again.
[14:19] <ali1234> apparently a upgrade was done on the server
[14:49] <bigcalm> Has anybody experienced mysql not starting at boot?
[14:52] <bigcalm> Doh, forgot that I hadn't started irssi behind a screen
[14:52] <bigcalm> MySQL not starting at boot: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1277001/
[15:18]  * AlanBell just went to PC World
[15:18] <AlanBell> and bought all the things
[15:20] <Nafallo> you did not
[15:25] <AlanBell> well, I got a USB enclosure for the SSD, and a bluetooth sound receiver and a Nexus 7
[15:27] <brobostigon> android 4.1.2 will be waiting for you, :)
[15:27] <Nafallo> that's far from all the things
[15:28] <SuperEngineer> AlanBell: is the USB enclosure what one might also call a Gnome Shell?
[15:28] <ali1234> bigcalm: that usualy means a corrupted table
[15:47] <bigcalm> ali1234: ta, I'll see what might need fixing
[15:47] <bigcalm> It starts just fine with upstart, but not at boot
[15:52] <popey> pip pip
[16:08] <shauno> is usb not a huge bottleneck for a ssd?
[16:11] <AlanBell> shauno: probably, but so is not having an empty sata bay to put it in
[16:12] <AlanBell> I now have a silent, big, fast USB key
[16:12] <AlanBell> 480MBit isn't exactly slow
[16:12] <AlanBell> and I can take the drive out and put it in the laptop if I want to
[16:15] <shauno> I guess being a bit less fragile would be a nice point for something that's meant to be baggable.  but I've never seem usb2 go anywhere near 480 in the real world
[16:15] <AlanBell> I will do an hdparm test in a bit
[16:15] <AlanBell> just ingesting some CDs for the new tablet to play
[16:16] <shauno> mostly just jealous.  I don't have enough SSDs to start running out of space to put them :)
[16:17] <shauno> oh, last night's nvram thing .. the clarity of daylight found me a much, much simpler solution.  turns out it was calling an external binary to read the nvram (rtl8139-diag).  so I just replaced that with a glorified 'hello world' :)
[16:20] <AlanBell> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1277194/
[16:20] <AlanBell> sda is internal, sdb is the USB enclosure
[16:21] <AlanBell> so yeah, buffered reads are quite a lot slower, but still quite handy
[16:24] <shauno> that's why I play the oddball and get firewire enclosures.  that's less than half of what usb2 is theoretically capable of
[16:24] <AlanBell> yeah, but I have no firewire :(
[16:25] <AlanBell> except on a really crusty old computer
[16:25] <AlanBell> err, that I took to the dump
[16:25] <AlanBell> I have no firewire
[16:25] <AlanBell> I have the PCI firewire card, but nothing to put it in I think
[16:26] <shauno> I guess that'd put a slight dampner on things
[16:28] <AlanBell> hmm, might be able to take the front plate off the card and sqeeze it into a machine
[16:31] <AlanBell> yay, I have firewire (bit wobbly)
[16:52] <MartijnVdS> wibbly wobbly firey wirey?
[17:15] <bigcalm> On my own tonight, what shall I have for tea?
[17:15] <AlanBell> curry
[17:18] <bigcalm> Had curry on Wednesday evening
[17:18] <bigcalm> Like to vary things a little
[17:18] <MartijnVdS> pancakes
[17:19] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: I'm more inclined to get takeaway
[17:19] <MartijnVdS> you don't have takeaway pancakes?!
[17:19] <MartijnVdS> poor uncivilised part of the world :(
[17:19] <MartijnVdS> ;)
[17:19] <bigcalm> Never heard of such a thing
[17:21] <bigcalm> Pizza options (by distance): local kebab house, generic style pizzas. Domino's. PizzaHut
[17:21] <bigcalm> Chip shops: 2 locally
[17:21] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: go to kebab house, ask for 'kapsalon' - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kapsalon
[17:22] <bigcalm> Chinese takeaway: 3 locally
[17:22] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: really not a fan of doner meat :S
[17:23] <bigcalm> I guess the question is: how far do I want to drive?
[17:23] <bigcalm> Nobody does delivery to my house
[17:28] <bigcalm> I now want all the takeaways
[17:28] <bigcalm> Eat all the things
[17:28] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm, eh
[17:28] <xnox> I opened the bug, read it, and think "What a stupid bug reporter, this is such old news it's not even funny. it's a duplicate and fix released". Look up. Notice that the original reporter is..... me.
[17:28] <xnox> fml
[17:28] <bigcalm> Back to washing up I go
[17:36] <penguin42> xnox: Haha
[17:36] <penguin42> xnox: Yes, that sudden dawning that it sounds familiar...
[17:42]  * MartijnVdS plays with CSS, Javascript and SVG a bit more
[17:42] <MartijnVdS> lots of fun to make things blink based on a JSON document :)
[17:51]  * penguin42 should play with JSON some time
[18:01] <shauno> AlanBell: just outta curiousity, tried a firewire external I have now that I'm home.  71MB/s over fw800, 34MB/s over usb2 (same drive/enclosure).  a bit less convenient (/universal), but has its moments :)
[18:02] <AlanBell> measured with hdparm?
[18:02] <shauno> nah, some fluffy app I have (I only have linux in VMs, so measuring disk from there is sketchy)
[18:04] <shauno> http://cl.ly/image/3R2z2m0F023E  big & pretty, and gives a lot less detail :(
[18:04] <AlanBell> and that is spinning rust in the enclosure?
[18:04] <shauno> it is
[18:07] <shauno> I'd be curious to try an ssd in the fw enclosure, but I don't have spares laying around
[18:12] <popey> hah, i know that app
[18:13] <shauno> of course.  it's the first thing you do with an ssd :)  (ala http://cl.ly/image/411U1J1C3a3S )
[18:47] <jonesypeter> Hi, may I ask what software the Ubuntu-uk website uses?  Is it MoinMoin?  Also how is the map of users made?  Thanks
[18:47] <AlanBell> jonesypeter: it is wordpress
[18:48] <AlanBell> and that map is a cunning plugin written by someone from the russian loco team I think
[18:48] <jonesypeter> Thanks Alan.  Great interview with Mark Shuttleworth on the last show by the way.  Thanks
[18:48] <AlanBell> cunning as a fox that is professor of cunning at cunningham university
[18:48] <AlanBell> that would be other alan
[18:48] <AlanBell> popey
[18:48] <jonesypeter> Many thanks.
[18:48] <AlanBell> and no spoilers, I haven't listened to it yet!
[18:49] <popey> technically tonytiger
[18:49] <jonesypeter> Sorry....
[18:49] <popey> he recorded it
[19:01] <AlanBell> wonder if banshee will import 2 cds at a time
[19:02] <popey> i spy a reflection of AlanBell in his window
[19:02]  * popey waves
[19:03] <popey> lol
[19:03] <popey> Hello!
[19:03] <AlanBell> :)
[19:04] <popey> You should get another chair so she doesn't have to sit on your lap :)
[19:04]  * popey stops being creepy
[19:09] <christel> :o
[19:13] <AlanBell> ooh, yes, banshee can import from multiple CDs at once
[19:13] <AlanBell> now how many can I plug in I wonder
[19:17] <AlanBell> good thing we have two music players, I can import CDs in banshee because that works, and then put the music on devices using Rhythmbox because that works
[20:28] <czajkowski> aloha
[20:29] <AlanBell> o/
[20:30] <AlanBell> missing London yet?
[20:31] <czajkowski> some things :)
[20:32] <AlanBell> sirens?
[20:32] <zleap> lol
[20:35] <czajkowski> nah tbh I dont even hear them any more
[20:35] <czajkowski> you ge the odd one where I am
[20:35] <czajkowski> was much louder at E&C but still you knida get used to it
[20:45] <directhex> KITTIES!
[20:46] <AlanBell> chinchilla kitties?
[20:49] <directhex> we've been looking at getting a cat. however, i have a cat allergy
[20:51] <czajkowski> directhex: get a dog :D
[20:51] <christel> problem solved!
[20:51] <directhex> czajkowski: we have no garden
[20:51] <czajkowski> small dog
[20:52] <czajkowski> walk it lots
[20:52] <christel> don't get a small dog, small dogs look silly and make lots of noise!
[20:53] <directhex> yeah, what christel said
[21:04] <shauno> don't get a dog.  they make children look intelligence.  if you can't have a cat, grow herbs for the kitchen.
[21:05] <shauno> (*intelligent.  I'm sober, honestly)
[21:05] <AlanBell> hmm, so am I. I should rectify that.
[21:05] <bigcalm> I have to play Taxi Man in a bit. Will rectify this sober state later
[21:06] <shauno> thanks to a fun shift pattern, I have to be up at 5am.  this *is* rectified
[22:26] <penguin42> ouch
[22:30] <AlanBell> well mtp devices with more than a few files on kind of suck on Ubuntu :(
[22:34] <penguin42> I think there is a bug open for that