[00:07] :) [00:07] i see [00:11] translations are painfully non-obvious sometimes. found a word that translates into english as 'nails', but is actually 'cloves' [00:12] of garlic? :) [00:12] clove the spice [00:12] ah [00:12] same etymology though, yeah [00:13] nail is clavus in latin. so it almost makes sense. but I resorted to googling photos instead [00:15] :D [00:16] what's your mother tongue? [00:16] english :) [00:16] I'm from oxford. so reading slovak doesn't come naturally at all [00:19] oh you're reading slovak... heh [00:19] ok the brain is definitely a muscle XD i never used to be this thick :D [00:21] haha. blame the hour [00:22] true [00:23] trying to decipher the menu for a wedding I'm to attend. I'm starting to worry that 'badger blood' won't be the only cultural barrier [00:23] but "apple and nail" was a bit of a double-take [00:25] lmao [00:26] hope you really like the bride or groom! [00:27] never met either of them :) I'm someone's +1. it's going to be awkward all 'round [00:28] ah-har [00:28] someone that can translate? :) [00:28] yeah. the groom's sort-of english speaking too (brummie) [00:28] :D === soreau_ is now known as soreau === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [07:22] morning [07:51] morning all [07:51] morning MooDoo [07:51] howdy christel are you well? [07:52] i am very well! thyself? :) [07:52] christel: tired, but ok [07:52] the boys have been carted off to rugby practise so i am enjoying a quiet morning :) [07:52] christel: i'm at work, but little one is teething and constantly up at 3am to play [08:00] aww [08:04] popey, Opened a can of worms yesterday on google plus ... [08:04] did he? what did he do? [08:04] He basically asked what reasons are people not using Ubuntu .. [08:05] yeah just reading it now [08:06] I think slashdot should ask the same question so that people can respond alot easier to points raised etc.. [08:06] but adobe products is mine [08:06] I think slashdot should ask the same question so that people can respond alot easier to points raised etc..Oh Ok .. That's true .. but what about gimp and inkscape ? [08:07] soz for the re-doing there... [08:07] yeah gimp is good, i did a talk on that the other day :) [08:07] cant you use CS2 under now anyhow ? what is the main drawback of not having it ? [08:08] I use cs6 [08:08] **under WINE [08:08] on Ubuntu ? [08:08] no windows 7, I dual boot ubuntu and windows [08:08] Oh Ok.. [08:09] Any other projects you are involved with? [08:11] bootljhfdsds: i'm a fedora mentor as well [08:12] although not done it for a while [08:13] Oh Ok .. I do netbook/laptop tests for my local Lug/ h-node.org I'd love to know how to get parabola up and running on some of them :) [08:15] Of course there is #parabola for that ;) [08:17] lol [08:20] I have an attack of the small-flys and I found myself dancing to Will Smith a minute ago ... Saturday is *not* going well .. [08:26] What The Fud .. Now my parents want to have a coffee with me in the next village in an hour ... Could it get *any* worse ? [08:39] bootljhfdsds: yes they are making you pay and want a full english as well ;) [09:05] MooDoo, Worse part is .. there wont be any breakfast as there isn't a proper café .. Sooo It'll be : Why no grandchildren ? and probably only Tea not Coffee ! Yukk! [09:06] People of the IRChat room : I need to convert them to Ubuntu .. What debating factors would appeal to a couple of 60 years olds, these days ? [09:14] bootljhfdsds: http://whyubuntu.org/ [09:22] good morning everyone. [09:23] oh no they are here ! AAAAAAArrrgh ! [09:27] bootljhfdsds: 60years? i wouldn't even bother trying to be honest....too set in their ways. [09:29] bootljhfdsds: are they already computer literate, or not? === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [09:42] ooh a 60GB SSD has arrived [09:42] AlanBell: out of nowhere? [10:08] for me? aw, you shouldn't have! [10:10] looking for the RC image but all there is is Beta 2 is that the RC image? [10:11] is rc out yet? [10:12] constrictor: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/240/builds ? [10:14] MartijnVdS: thanks for this, what is the difference between Ubuntu Desktop amd64 and Ubuntu Desktop amd64+mac [10:14] I have no idea [10:14] this is the first google hit ;) [10:18] anyone using Quantal yet? [10:21] \o [10:24] Good Saturday morning peeps. It's the weekend and I'm getting urgent emergency fix emails from clients. FML === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [10:32] we have a pumpkin [10:32] Can anybody point me in the direction of a portable LAMP setup guide or a guide that sets up LAMP in your home directory? [10:33] AlanBell: it's the season! [10:33] kvarley: in your homedir? you'd have to compile everything.. *shudder* [10:33] Urgh [10:34] Need to set it up so that www-data still owns everything in /var/www but I can edit from my user account. Easiest way to do that is with a user group? [10:34] Yes by adding the user(s) to www-data [10:35] if you want to run more than one site, per-site directories in /srv tend to be used === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [10:35] bigcalm: your internet is down ;) [10:35] MooDoo: how dare it [10:36] bigcalm: no i mean it's down so you don't get the emails ;) that's what you tell your customers :p [10:40] morning [10:41] morning [10:41] how are we all? [10:44] good thanks swattor_ [10:44] think I might do a fresh quantal install on my new SSD [10:46] think I am going to be a vampire for halloween [10:46] AlanBell: SSDs are fantastic [10:46] You won't be disappointed [10:46] yeah, I have a 240GB SSD, this was a 60GB one for £30 [10:47] wanted it as a slot in spare/clean one [10:47] i use ssh they rock [10:47] I got a customer to buy a server that has 3 SSDs [10:49] halloween party invitation replied to now [10:49] maybe I should go as Jimmy Saville instead [10:51] HAH [10:52] i'm thinking about getting an SSD for my (4 year old) netbook [10:53] not sure whether that's just throwing good money after bad though [10:53] I've added myself to the www-data group but still cannot edit directories in /srv/ I assume I need to chown the dirs to the www-data group? [10:53] swattor_: £30 seems a reasonable price for a performance boost [10:53] http://www.oracle.com/index.html [10:54] AlanBell: are they £30 now?! [10:54] jeebus [10:54] yeah, ebuyer were doing these kingston 60GB ones for £30 [10:59] machine going down for quantal install I will see you all on the other side... if I make it [11:00] Wow, the prices are really coming down at last. Phew [11:00] * MartijnVdS can't decide [11:00] - buy 60D [11:00] - Wait for 70D [11:00] - Buy new i7 machine [11:03] woop android 4.1.2 ota update, :) [11:04] brobostigon: which phone? [11:04] MartijnVdS: nexus7. [11:05] ah, tablet [11:06] yes. [11:13] "oops" http://www.oracle.com/index.html [11:13] oh dear [11:13] lol, does that mean they were hacked ? [11:14] * AlanBell is running on the new SSD now [11:14] ok [11:15] AlanBell, Will post SAE off this week are you able to incljde some server cd's too please ? [11:15] zleap: sure, just pop a note in reminding me [11:15] thanks [11:18] well the only slow thing on my desktop now is the dash :( [11:19] AlanBell: blamepopey.co.uk [11:21] server not found [11:21] :( [11:22] well gnome shell manages to speak the buttons [11:23] and has an alt-tab switcher that I can live with [11:25] can't get to the indicators in gnome shell [11:25] mutter performs much better than compiz in most operations [11:26] however, if I knew how to get to the panel it all *works* with the keyboard and reads correctly [11:26] so sad that unity and Gnome shell are not the same thing [11:28] oh wow, their alt-tab indicates which workspace windows are on [11:28] and notifications stack up in the dash area! [11:29] don't seem to be accessible, but this is annoyingly good compared to Unity [11:30] the search actually finds things too [11:30] type 'pear' and get 'Appearances' etc [11:32] so you do. I am unconvinced that this is a feature though [11:32] I would not type pear if I wanted appearances [11:33] but you might type 'fox' or 'box' for FF or RB [11:33] hey dogmatic69 [11:35] sup [11:38] jacobw: best thing is that it doesn't show stuff from the software centre [11:38] indeed [11:39] hrm. looks like my uupc mirror hadn't been kicked since may... [11:39] and the categories/filters are not hidden [11:39] I'm back from the "Why no grandchildren ?" Lunch meeting with my Parents :) [11:39] have the show stopped coming out with new releases or something? [11:39] bootljhfdsds: have you been set targets? [11:40] targets must be specifc, measurable, attainable, realistic and timely [11:40] May even [11:40] I can barely manage a scrabled egg these days ;) [11:42] My Mother is doing a photography short course with the OU, so everything/everyone had to be photo-ed ... I almost felt Japanese :) [11:46] sorry 4 going offtopix but MooDoo did ask. [11:49] ... Just reading the log while I've been away .. AlanBell : Sounds good this SSD . I got a 128GB to triple boot my MESH-PC desktop .. seems to comply with most things I can throw at it.. [11:51] It seems everything is 3 or Tri's on my desktop ... Tri-core, Tri-OSboot, 3 screens etc .. Just need a good blog name and I'll blog about my progress. Anyone think of a good name ? [11:52] .. give me something to-do over the winter on the weekends :) [11:53] Oh, the new LUG is next weekend if anyone is over on holiday or anything ... [11:53] Tri-als and tri-bulations of a tri-desktop [11:55] that's good jacobw ! I'll use tri-als, me thinks. Althou the 2nd one is cool too. [11:56] tri-bulations of hardware. Contribulations of software .. sounds like a plan :) [11:57] * bootljhfdsds slips jacobw a nice cool beer. [12:02] ha, thanks :) [12:08] o/ [12:17] O/ === ram_ is now known as scroob1us [14:17] why did the mysql root password change? [14:18] ali1234: whut? [14:18] yesterday i set the mysql root password on my server. today it has changed, and i had to reset it again. [14:19] apparently a upgrade was done on the server === PaulW2U_ is now known as G4MBY === G4MBY is now known as Guest99936 === Guest99936 is now known as G4MBY [14:49] Has anybody experienced mysql not starting at boot? [14:52] Doh, forgot that I hadn't started irssi behind a screen [14:52] MySQL not starting at boot: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1277001/ [15:18] * AlanBell just went to PC World [15:18] and bought all the things [15:20] you did not [15:25] well, I got a USB enclosure for the SSD, and a bluetooth sound receiver and a Nexus 7 [15:27] android 4.1.2 will be waiting for you, :) [15:27] that's far from all the things [15:28] AlanBell: is the USB enclosure what one might also call a Gnome Shell? [15:28] bigcalm: that usualy means a corrupted table [15:47] ali1234: ta, I'll see what might need fixing [15:47] It starts just fine with upstart, but not at boot [15:52] pip pip [16:08] is usb not a huge bottleneck for a ssd? [16:11] shauno: probably, but so is not having an empty sata bay to put it in [16:12] I now have a silent, big, fast USB key [16:12] 480MBit isn't exactly slow [16:12] and I can take the drive out and put it in the laptop if I want to [16:15] I guess being a bit less fragile would be a nice point for something that's meant to be baggable. but I've never seem usb2 go anywhere near 480 in the real world [16:15] I will do an hdparm test in a bit [16:15] just ingesting some CDs for the new tablet to play [16:16] mostly just jealous. I don't have enough SSDs to start running out of space to put them :) [16:17] oh, last night's nvram thing .. the clarity of daylight found me a much, much simpler solution. turns out it was calling an external binary to read the nvram (rtl8139-diag). so I just replaced that with a glorified 'hello world' :) [16:20] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1277194/ [16:20] sda is internal, sdb is the USB enclosure [16:21] so yeah, buffered reads are quite a lot slower, but still quite handy [16:24] that's why I play the oddball and get firewire enclosures. that's less than half of what usb2 is theoretically capable of [16:24] yeah, but I have no firewire :( [16:25] except on a really crusty old computer [16:25] err, that I took to the dump [16:25] I have no firewire [16:25] I have the PCI firewire card, but nothing to put it in I think [16:26] I guess that'd put a slight dampner on things [16:28] hmm, might be able to take the front plate off the card and sqeeze it into a machine === JethroTroll is now known as GentileBen [16:31] yay, I have firewire (bit wobbly) [16:52] wibbly wobbly firey wirey? [17:15] On my own tonight, what shall I have for tea? [17:15] curry [17:18] Had curry on Wednesday evening [17:18] Like to vary things a little [17:18] pancakes [17:19] MartijnVdS: I'm more inclined to get takeaway [17:19] you don't have takeaway pancakes?! [17:19] poor uncivilised part of the world :( [17:19] ;) [17:19] Never heard of such a thing [17:21] Pizza options (by distance): local kebab house, generic style pizzas. Domino's. PizzaHut [17:21] Chip shops: 2 locally [17:21] bigcalm: go to kebab house, ask for 'kapsalon' - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kapsalon [17:22] Chinese takeaway: 3 locally [17:22] MartijnVdS: really not a fan of doner meat :S [17:23] I guess the question is: how far do I want to drive? [17:23] Nobody does delivery to my house [17:28] I now want all the takeaways [17:28] Eat all the things [17:28] bigcalm, eh [17:28] I opened the bug, read it, and think "What a stupid bug reporter, this is such old news it's not even funny. it's a duplicate and fix released". Look up. Notice that the original reporter is..... me. [17:28] fml [17:28] Back to washing up I go [17:36] xnox: Haha [17:36] xnox: Yes, that sudden dawning that it sounds familiar... [17:42] * MartijnVdS plays with CSS, Javascript and SVG a bit more [17:42] lots of fun to make things blink based on a JSON document :) [17:51] * penguin42 should play with JSON some time [18:01] AlanBell: just outta curiousity, tried a firewire external I have now that I'm home. 71MB/s over fw800, 34MB/s over usb2 (same drive/enclosure). a bit less convenient (/universal), but has its moments :) [18:02] measured with hdparm? [18:02] nah, some fluffy app I have (I only have linux in VMs, so measuring disk from there is sketchy) [18:04] http://cl.ly/image/3R2z2m0F023E big & pretty, and gives a lot less detail :( [18:04] and that is spinning rust in the enclosure? [18:04] it is [18:07] I'd be curious to try an ssd in the fw enclosure, but I don't have spares laying around [18:12] hah, i know that app [18:13] of course. it's the first thing you do with an ssd :) (ala http://cl.ly/image/411U1J1C3a3S ) [18:47] Hi, may I ask what software the Ubuntu-uk website uses? Is it MoinMoin? Also how is the map of users made? Thanks [18:47] jonesypeter: it is wordpress [18:48] and that map is a cunning plugin written by someone from the russian loco team I think [18:48] Thanks Alan. Great interview with Mark Shuttleworth on the last show by the way. Thanks [18:48] cunning as a fox that is professor of cunning at cunningham university [18:48] that would be other alan [18:48] popey [18:48] Many thanks. [18:48] and no spoilers, I haven't listened to it yet! [18:49] technically tonytiger [18:49] Sorry.... [18:49] he recorded it [19:01] wonder if banshee will import 2 cds at a time [19:02] i spy a reflection of AlanBell in his window [19:02] * popey waves [19:03] lol [19:03] Hello! [19:03] :) [19:04] You should get another chair so she doesn't have to sit on your lap :) [19:04] * popey stops being creepy [19:09] :o [19:13] ooh, yes, banshee can import from multiple CDs at once [19:13] now how many can I plug in I wonder [19:17] good thing we have two music players, I can import CDs in banshee because that works, and then put the music on devices using Rhythmbox because that works [20:28] aloha [20:29] o/ [20:30] missing London yet? [20:31] some things :) [20:32] sirens? [20:32] lol [20:35] nah tbh I dont even hear them any more [20:35] you ge the odd one where I am [20:35] was much louder at E&C but still you knida get used to it [20:45] KITTIES! [20:46] chinchilla kitties? [20:49] we've been looking at getting a cat. however, i have a cat allergy [20:51] directhex: get a dog :D [20:51] problem solved! [20:51] czajkowski: we have no garden [20:51] small dog [20:52] walk it lots [20:52] don't get a small dog, small dogs look silly and make lots of noise! [20:53] yeah, what christel said [21:04] don't get a dog. they make children look intelligence. if you can't have a cat, grow herbs for the kitchen. [21:05] (*intelligent. I'm sober, honestly) [21:05] hmm, so am I. I should rectify that. [21:05] I have to play Taxi Man in a bit. Will rectify this sober state later [21:06] thanks to a fun shift pattern, I have to be up at 5am. this *is* rectified [22:26] ouch [22:30] well mtp devices with more than a few files on kind of suck on Ubuntu :( [22:34] I think there is a bug open for that