[18:27] <chilts> morning
[19:32] <ajmitch> morning
[19:54] <ibeardslee> morning
[20:15] <mwhudson> morning
[20:15] <mwhudson> is it too soon to join #ubuntu-release-party?
[20:16] <ajmitch> probably
[20:16] <ajmitch> you could start asking if it's out yet
[20:16] <mwhudson> hah
[20:16] <ibeardslee> heh
[20:16] <mwhudson> it seems that redirects to ubuntu-offtopic
[20:16]  * ajmitch wonders if it's safe to upgrade his laptop to quantal yet
[20:17]  * ibeardslee finally managed to get his UltraLap running quantal with an encrypted LVM disk
[20:17] <ajmitch> did it take much work?
[20:17] <ibeardslee> had to install with the precise alternate install and then upgrade
[20:18] <ajmitch> that sort of thing was meant to be in the quantal desktop installer, since the alternate image is being discontinued
[20:18] <ibeardslee> ahh that would explain why I couldn't find that image
[20:19] <ibeardslee> I could create an encrypted disk, but didn't seem to be able to tweak the lvm images within that as part of the install
[20:19] <ibeardslee> lvm config
[20:19] <ajmitch> I wonder if it's related at all to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1066480
[20:20] <ajmitch> people have tested installing with lvm & encryption, but I don't know if the testcase involves tweaking lvm
[20:21] <thumper> morning
[20:21] <ibeardslee> the default was root and swap .. and I couldn't seem to change that
[20:22] <ibeardslee> although I must admit it took me a while in the 12.04.1 alternate to work out how to do it .. so may have missed that in the quantal installer
[20:22]  * ajmitch has never tried it
[20:22] <ajmitch> I've set up lvm before, but with the alternate installer & without encryption
[20:23] <ibeardslee> you create a /boot which isn't encrypted
[20:23] <ibeardslee> and then a encrypted partition
[20:24] <ibeardslee> that encrypted partition seems to then be able to be treated as a new disk .. and create the LVM volumes etc within that
[20:30] <ibeardslee> looking at that bug .. /me will be wary trying to rerun an install
[20:38] <mwhudson> i used os x yesterday for the first time in a while
[20:38] <mwhudson> i was severely weirded out by not being able to tap super/command and type an application name
[20:39] <ibeardslee> I thought something like that was one of the great features of OSX, the reason gnome do came about
[20:40] <thumper> mwhudson: really
[20:40] <thumper> ?
[20:40] <mwhudson> thumper: yes
[20:41] <mwhudson> i had to use the trackpad and everything
[20:41] <thumper> mwhudson: doesn't osx have something similar though?
[20:41] <mwhudson> thumper: not in the version i have
[20:41] <thumper> ah
[20:41] <mwhudson> thumper: there are extensions
[20:42] <mwhudson> which in true apple style probably had all their good ideas stolen and incorporated into the os
[20:42] <thumper> mwhudson: are you going to copenhagen?
[20:42] <mwhudson> thumper: yes
[20:42] <thumper> mwhudson: when do you arrive?
[20:42] <mwhudson> thumper: 17:00 on sunday
[20:42] <mwhudson> BAmumblemumble
[20:43] <mwhudson> thumper: are you there for the pre-uds thing?
[20:43] <thumper> mwhudson: are you there for just UDS, or the pre-sprint?
[20:43] <mwhudson> thumper: just uds
[20:43] <thumper> mwhudson: I leave Saturday, there for all  two weeks
[20:43] <mwhudson> ah ok
[20:43] <ajmitch> mwhudson: you're heading there as well?
[20:44] <mwhudson> thumper: nz1 back?
[20:44] <mwhudson> ajmitch: yeah, linaro connect is colocating again
[20:44] <thumper> mwhudson: over via LA, back via HK
[20:44] <mwhudson> thumper: the faster way around :-)
[20:45] <mwhudson> i'm via LA both ways
[20:45] <thumper> brobably cheaper
[20:45] <thumper> at the time
[20:45] <mwhudson> yeah
[20:45]  * ajmitch is going via LA & then back via HK as well
[20:45] <thumper> NZ1/2 have the better planes
[20:45] <thumper> nicer screens
[20:45] <mwhudson> LAX is horrible, but the 777-300s are nicer so shrug
[20:45] <thumper> NZ38/39 still have older fittings
[20:46]  * ajmitch is flying out on the 27th
[20:46] <thumper> I heard a rumour that as of next year, there will no longer be the holdin cells (room) in LAX for transit
[20:46] <mwhudson> yeah
[20:46] <mwhudson> moving to the international terminal
[20:46] <mwhudson> ajmitch: ah, will be on the same flight as you then
[20:47] <mwhudson> ajmitch: "NZ 002 T 27OCT 6 AKLLHR 2230 1045+1"
[20:47] <ajmitch> yep
[20:47] <mwhudson> ajmitch: then "BA 818 V 28OCT 7 LHRCPH 1400 1700" ?
[20:47] <mwhudson> i need to phone up air nz and get my upgrades back
[20:47] <ajmitch> yes, same one
[20:48] <ajmitch> coming back a couple of days after UDS though
[20:48] <mwhudson> because i didn't get upgraded last time but they're not available online
[20:48] <thomi> oh yeah - I should start thinking about getting ready for Copenhagen huh...
[20:48] <ajmitch> thomi: no rush
[20:48] <mwhudson> and then decide which legs i want to try to upgrade...
[20:48] <thomi> yeah, I'll throw some things in a bag the day before - what could possibly go wrong?
[20:48] <ajmitch> this channel will be even quieter than usual
[20:48] <thomi> heh
[20:48] <ajmitch> thomi: as long as you have your passport & laptop, you'll be right
[20:48] <ajmitch> morning lifeless
[20:49] <mwhudson> ajmitch, thomi: remembering the power supply makes things a bit less fraught too
[20:49] <thomi> so it turns out my family visit in the UK on the way back is right over bonfire night
[20:49] <thomi>  \o/
[20:49] <ajmitch> mwhudson: details, I'm sure you could pick one up over there :)
[20:49] <thomi> now I can pretend that the usual bonfire night party is in fact a party in my honour :)
[20:49] <lifeless> ajmitch: o/
[21:04] <ojwb> morning
[23:10] <ibeardslee> 12:10 <@ian> seems chromium-browser on quantal includes the cacert certificates
[23:10] <ibeardslee> gah
[23:13] <ojwb> interesting
[23:14] <ojwb> i wonder if that's deliberate - debian have enabled them for ages, so ubuntu presumably deliberately didn't previously
[23:16] <ibeardslee> still not in firefox though
[23:16] <ojwb> hmm, so chromium has its own certificate list
[23:16] <ojwb> marvellous
[23:16] <ojwb> or firefox does
[23:16] <ibeardslee> my guess is they both have their own
[23:18] <ibeardslee> cacerts have seemed to exist in the ca-certificates package for a while
[23:18] <ojwb> everything really should be using those in the ca-certificates package
[23:18] <ojwb> but "shipped in ca-certificates" and "enabled" are separate things
[23:19] <ojwb> sudo dpkg-reconfigure ca-certificates
[23:19] <ojwb> that will allow you to see (and control) which are trusted
[23:22] <ibeardslee> and firefox and thunderbird require the cert separately .. not shared
[23:34] <ojwb> at least in debian wheezy, neither firefox nor chromium seem to use those certs