[18:27] morning [19:32] morning [19:54] morning [20:15] morning [20:15] is it too soon to join #ubuntu-release-party? [20:16] probably [20:16] you could start asking if it's out yet [20:16] hah [20:16] heh [20:16] it seems that redirects to ubuntu-offtopic [20:16] * ajmitch wonders if it's safe to upgrade his laptop to quantal yet [20:17] * ibeardslee finally managed to get his UltraLap running quantal with an encrypted LVM disk [20:17] did it take much work? [20:17] had to install with the precise alternate install and then upgrade [20:18] that sort of thing was meant to be in the quantal desktop installer, since the alternate image is being discontinued [20:18] ahh that would explain why I couldn't find that image [20:19] I could create an encrypted disk, but didn't seem to be able to tweak the lvm images within that as part of the install [20:19] lvm config [20:19] I wonder if it's related at all to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1066480 [20:20] people have tested installing with lvm & encryption, but I don't know if the testcase involves tweaking lvm [20:21] morning [20:21] the default was root and swap .. and I couldn't seem to change that [20:22] although I must admit it took me a while in the 12.04.1 alternate to work out how to do it .. so may have missed that in the quantal installer [20:22] * ajmitch has never tried it [20:22] I've set up lvm before, but with the alternate installer & without encryption [20:23] you create a /boot which isn't encrypted [20:23] and then a encrypted partition [20:24] that encrypted partition seems to then be able to be treated as a new disk .. and create the LVM volumes etc within that [20:30] looking at that bug .. /me will be wary trying to rerun an install [20:38] i used os x yesterday for the first time in a while [20:38] i was severely weirded out by not being able to tap super/command and type an application name [20:39] I thought something like that was one of the great features of OSX, the reason gnome do came about [20:40] mwhudson: really [20:40] ? [20:40] thumper: yes [20:41] i had to use the trackpad and everything [20:41] mwhudson: doesn't osx have something similar though? [20:41] thumper: not in the version i have [20:41] ah [20:41] thumper: there are extensions [20:42] which in true apple style probably had all their good ideas stolen and incorporated into the os [20:42] mwhudson: are you going to copenhagen? [20:42] thumper: yes [20:42] mwhudson: when do you arrive? [20:42] thumper: 17:00 on sunday [20:42] BAmumblemumble [20:43] thumper: are you there for the pre-uds thing? [20:43] mwhudson: are you there for just UDS, or the pre-sprint? [20:43] thumper: just uds [20:43] mwhudson: I leave Saturday, there for all two weeks [20:43] ah ok [20:43] mwhudson: you're heading there as well? [20:44] thumper: nz1 back? [20:44] ajmitch: yeah, linaro connect is colocating again [20:44] mwhudson: over via LA, back via HK [20:44] thumper: the faster way around :-) [20:45] i'm via LA both ways [20:45] brobably cheaper [20:45] at the time [20:45] yeah [20:45] * ajmitch is going via LA & then back via HK as well [20:45] NZ1/2 have the better planes [20:45] nicer screens [20:45] LAX is horrible, but the 777-300s are nicer so shrug [20:45] NZ38/39 still have older fittings [20:46] * ajmitch is flying out on the 27th [20:46] I heard a rumour that as of next year, there will no longer be the holdin cells (room) in LAX for transit [20:46] yeah [20:46] moving to the international terminal [20:46] ajmitch: ah, will be on the same flight as you then [20:47] ajmitch: "NZ 002 T 27OCT 6 AKLLHR 2230 1045+1" [20:47] yep [20:47] ajmitch: then "BA 818 V 28OCT 7 LHRCPH 1400 1700" ? [20:47] i need to phone up air nz and get my upgrades back [20:47] yes, same one [20:48] coming back a couple of days after UDS though [20:48] because i didn't get upgraded last time but they're not available online [20:48] oh yeah - I should start thinking about getting ready for Copenhagen huh... [20:48] thomi: no rush [20:48] and then decide which legs i want to try to upgrade... [20:48] yeah, I'll throw some things in a bag the day before - what could possibly go wrong? [20:48] this channel will be even quieter than usual [20:48] heh [20:48] thomi: as long as you have your passport & laptop, you'll be right [20:48] morning lifeless [20:49] ajmitch, thomi: remembering the power supply makes things a bit less fraught too [20:49] so it turns out my family visit in the UK on the way back is right over bonfire night [20:49] \o/ [20:49] mwhudson: details, I'm sure you could pick one up over there :) [20:49] now I can pretend that the usual bonfire night party is in fact a party in my honour :) [20:49] ajmitch: o/ [21:04] morning [23:10] 12:10 <@ian> seems chromium-browser on quantal includes the cacert certificates [23:10] gah [23:13] interesting [23:14] i wonder if that's deliberate - debian have enabled them for ages, so ubuntu presumably deliberately didn't previously [23:16] still not in firefox though [23:16] hmm, so chromium has its own certificate list [23:16] marvellous [23:16] or firefox does [23:16] my guess is they both have their own [23:18] cacerts have seemed to exist in the ca-certificates package for a while [23:18] everything really should be using those in the ca-certificates package [23:18] but "shipped in ca-certificates" and "enabled" are separate things [23:19] sudo dpkg-reconfigure ca-certificates [23:19] that will allow you to see (and control) which are trusted [23:22] and firefox and thunderbird require the cert separately .. not shared [23:34] at least in debian wheezy, neither firefox nor chromium seem to use those certs