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KilosUmorning guys05:57
Cantidemorning everyone~06:40
KilosUhi Cantide 06:42
Cantide^^06:42
KilosUyo not_found 06:42
not_foundhey uncle KilosU 06:43
Cantidewhy do you have a U now? KilosMicro?06:43
KilosUU for unity , other one is KilosK for kde06:43
KilosUso guys can see what i need help on06:44
KilosUhehe06:44
not_foundlol06:44
not_foundk06:44
Cantide:D06:44
Cantidewhich do you prefer?06:44
KilosUboth not as good as gnome2 but kde is a bit easier to use and i can have lotsa desktops06:45
KilosUgnome2 was more noob friendly methinks06:46
CantideI liked Gnome2, too06:46
Cantideremoving the panel at the bottom has hindered my productivity06:46
KilosUyeah06:46
Cantidebut i think Unity + keyboard shortcuts is okay06:46
Cantidestill not as good06:46
Cantidebut okay06:46
KilosUgnome2 is much quicker06:46
Cantideis anyone using webapps in 12.04?06:49
CantideI just tried to install it but it failed06:49
Cantidemissing 3 dependencies06:49
KilosUhow did you install it06:50
KilosUcli?06:50
Cantideterminal06:50
Cantidecli = terminal?06:50
KilosUif you install synaptic06:50
Cantidehttp://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/07/how-to-install-ubuntus-new-web-apps-feature06:50
KilosUya command line interface06:50
Cantidei used the instructions at that link06:51
KilosUin synaptic one can see what dependancies are and suggested extras06:51
Cantideoh, it told me what the dependencies are06:51
Cantidebut i've no idea how to install them06:51
Cantidelet me pastebin it..06:52
KilosUoh then install them first06:52
KilosUoh06:52
KilosUdo you use aptitude?06:52
Cantidehttp://pastebin.com/jSGC8E9X06:52
Cantideyes06:53
KilosUuse slexy.org06:53
KilosUeish06:53
KilosUpastebin sucks and takes forever to open here06:53
Cantidelol06:54
Cantidesorry :D06:54
KilosUNetwork problem06:54
KilosUCheck that the address is spelled correctly, or try searching for the site.06:54
KilosUSearch with Google06:54
KilosUalways have probs with pastebin06:54
KilosUCantide, you know what the dependancies are so use aptitude to install them as well as your package06:56
KilosUor are they pirate goodies06:56
Cantidei think they have been removed06:57
KilosUfrom the repos?06:57
Cantidemaybe06:57
KilosUinstall synaptic and see if they are in there06:58
Cantidetrying to get some help on #ubuntu07:00
KilosUwhew thats a crazy channel07:00
KilosUi cant keep up there07:00
not_foundtry #ubuntu-beginners07:01
not_foundless people07:01
not_foundless chance for help too unfortunatly07:01
KilosUai07:02
Cantidelol07:03
Cantidethey're helping07:03
Cantideslowly but surely07:03
not_foundcool :)07:03
KilosUnice07:03
KilosUdo the -dbg packages do any debugging? or just supply the debugging symbols07:16
KilosUas in network-manager-dbg07:17
KilosUhi magespawn 08:10
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KilosUMaaz, coffee on11:22
* Maaz puts the kettle on11:22
MaazCoffee's ready for KilosU!11:26
KilosUMaaz, ty11:26
MaazYou are welcome KilosU11:26
zerefhmmm12:49
zerefanybody here going to be using 12.03?12:51
zeref*12.1012:51
charlvngood afternoon12:58
charlvnMaaz: coffee on12:58
* Maaz puts the kettle on12:58
not_foundnot sure about 12.10 vs 12.04... will seee12:59
zerefdo you think it will be  a great improvemenst as 10.10 was over 10.04?13:00
MaazCoffee's ready for charlvn!13:02
not_foundnah13:12
not_found12.04 was the improvement over the ones before13:12
magespawnafternoon all13:16
Vince-0gday13:18
Vince-0waiting for http://www.redbullstratos.com/live/13:19
not_foundah that is today?!13:19
not_foundif the site struggles go to youtube.com/live13:20
charlvnhi magespawn 13:28
charlvnhi not_found, Vince-0 13:28
Vince-0haai13:29
charlvni don't hear any sound on that video13:30
charlvnis that the idea?13:30
charlvnnot much happening either13:31
charlvnoh i see it only starts at 16:30 right?13:32
charlvnooh nice - you can watch kenyan tv live on youtube http://youtu.be/5Y-hElPWJgQ13:34
magespawnhi charlvn 13:44
magespawndoes kenyan tv have programs worth watching?13:45
charlvnmagespawn: i assume not :)14:28
charlvnmagespawn: maybe on the odd occasion - but it's just cool to see14:28
charlvnkenya actually has a surprising amount of ict development compared to other african countries (including south africa)14:28
magespawnahh right charlvn14:28
charlvnif you compare that to the general economic situation in the country which is actually pretty terrible14:29
charlvni think the gdp per capita is a small fraction of that of south africa even14:29
charlvnlast i checked14:29
charlvnbut the country is surprisingly well connected and has a huge mobile penetration rate14:29
charlvni spent a month there last year around august/september14:30
magespawndid they not develop a mobile payment system there?14:30
charlvnyup14:31
charlvnmpesa14:31
magespawndo you know what data costs there at what speeds?14:31
charlvnthe speeds are not great but you can get hsdpa for very cheap14:32
charlvnthere is an unlimited option which only costs a few euro per month14:32
charlvnyou won't find any equivalent to that in europe at all14:32
charlvnhere the hsdpa is outrageously expensive and usually come with limits on the amount of traffic you can do per monthj14:32
charlvn*month14:32
charlvn300MB even, or a few GB on the more expensive packages14:33
magespawnindeed fair usage policy14:33
charlvnfair usage policy?14:33
magespawnthats what the cell companies call it on the uncapped data bundles like BIS14:34
magespawnyou get to use up to a certain amount then they throttle your speed14:34
charlvnhmmm14:36
charlvnwhat is strange though is that i can't find the pricing back on the site now14:36
charlvnhttp://www.safaricom.co.ke/personal/internet/data-bundles/prepay-databundles14:36
charlvni can't find the pricing on the unlimited bundles now14:36
charlvnhmmm, seems like they took those down - haha!14:38
magespawnmaybe they did not make enough on those14:38
charlvnit used to cost 3000 kenyan shillings per month for unlimited data14:39
charlvnthat's around 27 euro14:39
charlvnat the current exchange rate14:39
magespawnso about 300 rand14:41
charlvnyeah but i pay twice that per month for my cable :P14:41
charlvnah here is the cable in kenya: http://www.zuku.co.ke/14:42
charlvnfor about 90 euro you get 20mbps14:43
charlvnhttp://www.zuku.co.ke/triple-play/triple-play-packages.html14:43
zerefhmmmm14:51
zerefok, so i'm using sqlite, and all of a sudden, I can't update the sqlite database14:51
zerefi keep getting "Databese locked" error14:52
zerefnever happened before14:52
magespawndo not know that much about sqlite14:53
magespawnsuperfly might be able to help14:55
superflyzeref: close everything down, open your db with the command line sqlite3 tool, and run "VACUUM" on each of your tables14:56
superflyI think that's how I solved it the last time14:56
zerefsuperfly: is it a pernament solution?14:58
superflyzeref: well, it cleans up the db14:58
zerefoh dear15:05
zerefwhat just happened there15:05
zerefsuperfly: does vacumm remove all records from the database?15:06
zerefor just unlock it?15:06
magespawnlater all15:16
charlvnmagespawn: later15:19
superflyzeref: no, it cleans up tables15:22
charlvncountdown!!!15:25
KilosUhmm15:27
charlvnyoutube is having trouble keeping up it seems15:28
charlvni get buffering every now and then15:28
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KilosUwhat you watching charlvn ?15:43
charlvnKilosU: the red bull stratos launch15:51
charlvnthey are in the air now, high up15:51
charlvnnow to wait for the fall :)15:51
charlvnyou can follow it live on youtube if you have the internet http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrIxH6DToXQ15:51
KilosUnope15:52
KilosUmore important stuff to use data for15:52
KilosUsuperfly, can you give me a shout when you have some time please.16:18
KilosUi got arno in but cant ping google from pc216:18
KilosUpc1 can ping pc2 and vice versa16:18
superflyKilosU: can PC2 ping 8.8.8.8 ?16:19
KilosUnetwork is unreachable16:19
KilosUwhere you get 8.8.8.8 from?16:19
KilosUroute -n is http://slexy.org/view/s2aVzkwdAj16:22
smile4everBright eyes! :) How can you close & fail? :)16:22
smile4everBright eyes! :) How can you close & fail? :)16:22
KilosUhi smile4ever 16:23
smile4everhi KilosU :)16:23
smile4everyour nick changed :p16:23
KilosUya its my unity drive here16:23
KilosUso i dont get kde help here16:24
KilosUother one is KilosK so i dont get gnome help there16:25
superflyKilosU: what is route -n on PC2?16:27
smile4everI see :)16:30
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smilEI'm using Enlightenment ;)16:30
KilosUsuperfly,   http://slexy.org/view/s2sdPqk98h16:31
smilEwhy is it called genmask and not submask? :p16:31
KilosUit says use interface eth216:31
KilosUis that the prob?16:31
smilENormally it is eth0 I think ;)16:32
superflyKilosU: no. what is PC1's IP address?16:32
smilEhere, i'm using eth1 because of a failure with the built-in eth0 :P16:32
KilosU192.168.1.116:32
KilosUpc2 is 192.168.1.216:32
superflyKilosU: "sudo route add default gw 192.168.1.1"16:33
KilosUon pc2 superfly ?16:33
superflyyes16:33
KilosUi think thats it superfly 16:35
superflyKilosU: can you ping 8.8.8.8 ?16:36
KilosUit pinged www.google.com16:36
KilosUmust it give many lines of info16:36
KilosUgives one16:36
KilosUwith 8.8.8.8 and www.google.com16:37
smilE8.8.8.8 is Google DNS o;O16:37
smilE:o16:37
KilosUah16:38
KilosUstill only shows one line, before it said network unreachable16:38
KilosUoh no report on packet loss so didnt go there16:40
KilosUnope superfly dont work but doesnt say net unavailable anymore16:45
KilosUso we moved one step forward16:45
superflyKilosU: can you show me the output of the ping command please?16:46
KilosUsuperfly,  PING 8.8.8.8 (8.8.8.8) 56(84) bytes of data.16:46
inetprogood evening17:08
KilosUhi inetpro 17:09
* inetpro watching the #livejump17:09
inetprohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=MrIxH6DToXQ17:09
inetproalmost 4million peeps watching right now17:09
* inetpro watching at 240p to reduce bw utilisation17:10
inetpronow at almost 95,000 ft of the 120,000 ft17:12
KilosUinetpro, who is jumping so far?17:12
KilosUor what?17:13
inetproKilosU: Felix Baumgartner going to jump at 120,000 ft17:13
inetprofreefall from the edge of space17:13
KilosUsjoe17:13
inetprotrying to break the sound barrier in a 120,000 ft jump over New Mexico17:14
inetprowill be a new record17:14
inetprovery very interesting17:15
inetpronow over 30km above earth17:16
inetpro100,000 ft17:17
* KilosU thinks falling off the bed is too far to fall17:22
inetproroflol17:24
inetpro+4.5m peeps watching now17:25
inetproon youtube17:25
KilosUwow all that lovely data17:25
inetpro33km up17:26
KilosUsjoe17:27
inetpro110,000 ft now17:28
smilEno :o17:29
smilE111 000 :)17:29
inetprorecord of highest manned balloon flight now broken, 113,740 ft17:32
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inetpronow +120,000 ft17:41
inetproalmost getting ready to jump17:42
smile4everThey are to high now :p17:48
inetpro+6.2m viewers on youtube17:52
inetprotension rising as he goes through the checklist17:52
zerefheh, what i'm iI missing out on?17:53
inetprozeref: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=MrIxH6DToXQ17:55
zerefta17:55
magespawnnone of it is supported on mobile devices18:02
inetpromagespawn: that is sad18:03
* inetpro was looking for such a link previoulsy as well18:03
magespawnahh well such is life18:03
inetprodoor opened18:04
magespawnjust have to watch the recorded one18:04
magespawndid they say how long the free fall would be?18:06
smile4everkeep your eyes open :D18:07
inetprothere he goes, 7.5m peeps watching18:07
zereffail internet is fail18:08
KilosUai18:09
zerefwill have to watch the recorded version18:09
smile4everzeref :(18:11
smile4everalmost 8 million people18:11
smile4ever:)18:11
magespawnhave you guys noticed the visitor in #linux-studies?18:17
KilosUthats a very poisonous kinda snake if i member right18:19
inetproall done18:19
KilosUis he down inetpro ?18:19
inetproyep18:19
KilosUdid he make the sound barrier bit18:19
KilosUty for the running commentory18:21
* inetpro stopped watching now18:23
inetprothat was more than 200MB18:23
inetproKilosU: I'm not sure about the sound barrier, will have get that confirmation18:23
inetprowent way to quick for me18:24
Kerberoyeah18:24
KilosUsjoe18:24
Kerberomy phone rang just before he jumped, got back and his shoot was open18:25
KilosUit will be on the news on idiot box sometime18:25
Kerberoway too quick18:25
inetproamazing!18:25
* inetpro still feeling some pressure18:26
inetproso many things that could have gone wrong18:26
inetproMaaz: coffee on18:27
* Maaz washes some mugs18:27
KilosUMaaz, coffee please18:27
MaazKilosU: Sure18:27
KilosUand a valium for inetpro 18:27
inetproI been following the story for some time but almost missed it today18:28
KilosUnext bi thing is breaking the landspeed record18:28
KilosUwill be in 2013 on one of our flats inna desert18:29
KilosUthey reckon they gonna top 1000 mph18:29
inetproKilosU: interesting, who and where?18:29
KilosUi watched it on tv about 2 hours ago on carteblanche i think18:30
not_foundwho watched the jump?!!18:30
inetpronot_found: eh!18:30
not_foundthe highest jump ever made by a person?18:30
not_foundfrom 38 freaking km up?!!18:31
inetpronot_found: yep18:31
not_foundwas brilliant :)18:31
MaazCoffee's ready for inetpro and KilosU!18:31
inetproo/18:31
inetproMaaz: ta18:31
MaazDis 'n groot plesier18:31
not_foundhi inetpro ... and all18:31
not_foundwas thinking oh oh when he was spinning18:31
inetpronot_found: that was just awesome!18:32
not_foundbest movie I have seen all year... several years :p18:32
inetproMaaz: last tweet from workaholicblake18:33
Maazinetpro: No such twit18:33
inetproMaaz: last tweet by workaholicblake18:33
Maazinetpro: No such twit18:33
inetprohmm...18:34
inetprohe says; "The irony is, #LiveJump has categorically proven that Red Bull does not give you wings. "18:34
inetpro:-)18:34
not_foundhaha18:34
not_foundwell he did go pretty high initially18:34
not_foundseems this broke the net... no youtube loading.. even online game crashing out18:35
inetproeven kilos is gone18:36
not_foundwow... the end of the internet... 18:37
Kerberohaha18:37
not_foundk me reboot... windows can't handle the awesome18:37
Kerberoredbull crashed internet :P18:37
not_foundif anything can I guess it would be them18:37
not_foundah game is back youtube still down18:41
magespawndoes anyone know if they are going to put up the recording?18:44
not_foundshould be several vids coming up... edited etc...18:45
inetpromagespawn: I'm sure you will read and see lots of it in delayed fashion even on TV18:46
magespawnthey did not show the full video of his test jump18:46
Tonberryok who killed youtube?18:46
* inetpro loves the realtime world18:46
inetproTonberry: was me18:46
magespawndo not have/watch tv18:46
inetprooops Tonberry, I meant not me :-)18:47
inetproI stopped watching a while after he landed18:47
Tonberryi'm not even trying to watch the jump18:47
magespawnthat must have set some sort of record for live views of one event18:48
inetprothe largest number of live viewers I noticed was just over 7.5m as he was jumping18:48
inetprowb KilosU18:49
KilosUgrrr18:49
KilosUfiddle with eth cable and 8ta disappears18:49
KilosUty inetpro 18:49
KilosUneed info 18:50
KilosUtablet and lg android fone18:50
KilosUneed a cable to connect them18:50
KilosUwill be usb to usb but the same as the usb in pc18:51
KilosUmale I think18:51
inetproKilosU: wth are you trying now?18:52
KilosUwhat would one call the cable that can connect 2 flash drives together18:53
magespawnnot sure that is even possible18:53
* inetpro has never even given that a thought18:53
magespawnyou might need to custom make something like that, and then it might not communicate without custom software18:55
Kerberothe hardware needs to support it first18:56
Tonberryi'm reasonably sure it is not possible18:56
Kerberothe tablet needs to be able to do usb host mode18:56
Tonberryok tablet to tablet case maybe18:56
Tonberrynot flashdrive to flashdrive...18:56
Kilos-its the easiest way to explain what it must be18:57
Kilos-its to connect a tablet to a lg android18:57
KerberoKilos-: google to see if the tablet can be a usb host18:57
magespawnhttp://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/34741/can-an-android-tablet-serve-as-usb-host-and-be-charged-simultaneously-through-a19:01
* inetpro agrees with Tonberry that flashdrive to flashdrive does not make sense at all19:04
inetprobut even tablet to mobile sounds like a mission19:04
magespawni think KilosU was just using it to describe the connectors19:04
inetprook19:05
Kilos-inetpro, its just to explain what ends the cable must have19:05
Kilos-i dunno if its male or female19:05
KerberoKilos-: you want to use the phone's internet on the tablet?19:05
inetproKilos-: I guess you mean mini-USB to mini-USB?19:05
Kilos-she says same plugs that will accept sticks on both sides19:06
Kilos-so standard size usb19:06
inetprointeresting19:06
Kerberothat is with the normal usb cables already attached19:06
Kerberoso three cables in total connected end to end19:07
Kerberomakes sense19:07
Kilos-she will most likely use the fone to pc cable into one end of the new cable19:07
Kerberobut, Kilos-, is it for internet?19:07
Kilos-sec ill see if she answeres on mxit19:07
Kerberook19:07
Kilos-its to connect a memory stick to the tablet Kerbero 19:10
Kerberohmm19:10
Kilos-she reckons they are available overseas but not in sa?19:12
Kerberowell i see something similar for another tablet19:12
Kerberohttp://www.androidcentral.com/how-use-your-usb-flash-drives-nexus-7-root19:12
Kerberobut as i said, you need to make sure the tablet can be a usb host19:12
Kerberothe usb chipset inside the tablet needs to support it first19:12
Kilos-will tell her19:13
* inetpro tuning in to listen to the conference at http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=MrIxH6DToXQ19:35
inetprohmm... not a lot happening there yet19:36
magespawninetpro what conference is that? not opening for me19:39
magespawnokay just got it now19:39
inetpromagespawn: interviews19:40
inetprosorry "press conference"19:40
inetprolooks like there's another delay19:42
Kilos-Kerbero, gimme a shout when you have time to try sort this network please19:42
Kerberotomorrow maybe19:42
Kilos-when its suits you19:42
Kilos-got them pinging each other but cant get out with pc219:43
magespawnthat stick mount looke like you can use it to mount external storage, so you could link a phone and a tablet19:46
Kilos-thats what she wants to do magespawn 19:47
Kilos-use a stick on the tablet19:47
magespawnyou would need a usb cable with micro on one side with the female on the other19:48
magespawnstickmount from the play store19:49
magespawncool19:49
Kilos-what will use the micro side?19:50
magespawnif you need to make one you can find the pin out on the net19:50
magespawnthe tablet19:50
Kilos-oh isnt tablet standard usb?19:51
magespawnnot usually19:51
magespawnwhat tablet is it?19:51
Kilos-itab sis says19:51
Kilos-is there such a thig19:51
Kilos-thing19:51
magespawnnot sure19:52
magespawnipad maybe?19:52
Kilos-most of the info i get is second hand via sister19:52
magespawnif you can the make/model that will help19:53
Kilos-i have asked 3 times19:53
magespawnlol19:53
Kilos-no reply as yet19:53
magespawncool no worries19:53
Kilos-women19:54
Kilos-lol magespawn why didnt you chat to the guy on the study channel?19:56
magespawnam there now19:57
Kilos-funny okey19:57
charlvngood evening19:57
charlvnkonbanwa minasan19:57
Kilos-hi charlvn 19:57
charlvnhi Kilos- 19:58
magespawnhi charlvn 19:58
charlvnhi magespawn 19:58
charlvni stopped watching the red bull event thing, got bored after a while and then started watching anime19:58
charlvnthere are so many new good series coming out at the moment19:58
Kilos-magespawn, its a vodafone tablet19:58
charlvnthe previous season was somewhat disappointing19:58
magespawnhuawei?19:59
magespawnmaybe get them to stick a picture up or something?20:00
Kilos-she says vodafone tablet20:01
magespawnjust need to try and pin down what model, so we can find out if it hardware support it? 20:01
Kilos-sis just foned her awake will try get a pic from her tomorrow20:03
Kilos-sigh20:03
magespawncool probable a huawei20:04
Kilos-ty magespawn 20:04
Kilos-vodafone smarttab 1020:04
Kilos-magespawn, where would you find the make20:07
Kilos-not behind battery like a cell20:07
magespawnno let me google that20:07
Kilos-is sudo aptitude same on redhat as on bebian?20:12
charlvnno redhat has yum20:13
Kilos-are your cli commands the same i mean20:13
Kilos-ohy my20:13
charlvnactually i don't know what the new official redhat has, i normally only use fedora or centos20:13
Kilos-so you cant use gedit20:13
charlvni use oracle linux for something and that's basically almost a copy of redhat20:13
charlvnbut redhat-based distro's use only rpm (equivalent of dpkg) and yum (equivalent of apt)20:13
Kilos-this is on PCLinuxOS20:14
charlvngedit? i'm sure there must be a package for it20:14
charlvngedit is so standard20:14
not_found8.1 mill views and the tubes are back20:14
charlvnnot_found: what do you mean?20:14
magespawnfound this http://www.gsmarena.com/vodafone_smart_tab_10-4527.php 20:15
not_foundoh the views of the jump20:15
not_foundlive ppl watching I saw go over 8 mil20:15
magespawnand this http://www.vodafone.com/content/index/about/what/devices/vodafone_smart_tab.html20:15
Kilos-so what is it then?20:18
magespawnbrb Kilos- 20:20
Kilos-k20:21
magespawnlooks like it is one made for vodafone, i will need to dig a bit deeper. i will have a look from the shop tomorrow20:22
Kilos-np magespawn ty20:23
Kilos-kinda crash time hey?20:23
Kilos-night all. sleep tight20:24
inetpronot_found: interesting, thanks20:24
magespawnlater all good night20:24
charlvnnot_found: wow! not bad20:26
charlvnnot_found: the video stream dropped frequently with me though20:27
charlvnnot_found: then i just got buffering and i had to reload the page to start it back up again20:27
charlvnnn20:28
inetprocool, looks like we have something coming up now20:31
inetprohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=MrIxH6DToXQ20:31
inetprowow!20:38
inetproimpressive speed20:38
inetproFelix Baumgartner fell 119,846 ft before his parachute opened20:38
inetproMax velocity 373 meters/second20:39
inetpro1348 km/h20:39
inetproMach 1.2420:41
not_foundhappened to me once20:42
not_foundawesome... was wondering abou tthe speed20:42
not_foundso 3 out of 4 records20:42
not_foundnight all20:43

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