| Len-nb | astraljava, re: volume applet. Fix committed, there were three apps commented out. | 01:33 |
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| micahg | Len-nb: I assume you need a meta upload now? | 01:50 |
| len-dt | I would guess, though I don't know if there will be a respin before release. | 01:51 |
| len-dt | It must be later than I thought micahg , I didn't realize you were around | 01:52 |
| micahg | yeah, I'm back :) | 01:53 |
| micahg | len-dt: ok, meta on its way as soon as the test build finishes | 02:00 |
| len-dt | micahg, where would we put settings that guide an upgrade from version to version | 02:00 |
| len-dt | Great | 02:00 |
| len-dt | micahg thank you | 02:00 |
| micahg | len-dt: did you tell skaet that you want a respin once that's in? | 02:01 |
| len-dt | No. I will... #ubuntu-release? | 02:01 |
| micahg | yeah | 02:01 |
| ailo | len-dt: Nice work. | 06:39 |
| ailo | And everyone else too :) | 06:39 |
| Len-nb | The respin got delayed... just starting now. | 06:41 |
| ailo | len-dt: I have the volume applet, but there's no empty space between menu -> systray | 09:54 |
| ailo | The separator between "Window Buttons" and "Systray" is not expanded | 09:55 |
| ailo | I don't know where the file is which handles that. Trying to find it | 10:00 |
| ailo | Found it | 10:07 |
| ailo | len-dt: Would be great if you could confirm the problem with the panel layout. | 10:21 |
| ailo | I updated the source for ubuntustudio-default-settings to have that separator be expanded by default | 10:21 |
| ailo | micahg: I've updated ubuntustudio-default-setting with one tiny commit. Any chance to have it uploaded? I haven't bumbped the debian version though. What was the recommended method? | 10:23 |
| astraljava | Len-nb: len-dt: The -publishing doesn't come on upgrades, if none of the currently installed packages recommend it. Seeds don't apply on upgrades. | 11:51 |
| len-dt | astraljava, I am less worried about publishing as it is obvious its missing. photography is half there. What I was saying was That upgrade should not be considered as the proper way to move from 12.04 to 12.10 | 13:00 |
| astraljava | len-dt: I think it's a matter of whether it is a supported process or not. Now it obviously isn't, so it shouldn't be advertised as one in the release notes. | 13:16 |
| len-dt | astraljava, a policy question then :) you may not know... should the upgrade be considered "passed" if the system is runnable after an upgrade? or should I leave it failed? | 13:21 |
| astraljava | len-dt: Hmm... are there proper test cases for upgrade? I'd say it has to pass all the relevant tests, just like a new install, in order to be considered successful. | 13:22 |
| len-dt | Ja there is a test case for upgrade. I marked it failed. | 13:23 |
| len-dt | I thought maybe there might be a normal script in meta or settings packge that only get run in the upgrade case we could use to fix this | 13:24 |
| astraljava | len-dt: There's only the tests in various pre- and post- scripts for upgrade) | 13:25 |
| len-dt | Just like there is a preinstall an install and a postinst | 13:25 |
| len-dt | That may work. Is it version specific? | 13:26 |
| astraljava | No, but the scripts may vary depending on version, of course. | 13:26 |
| * len-dt is thinking ahead to LTS->LTS | 13:26 | |
| astraljava | Yeah. You can of course script in version checks. | 13:27 |
| len-dt | astraljava, it may be simpler to just add the two new metas to desktop till after the next LTS | 13:28 |
| astraljava | Well... more packages might not necessarily be easier to support. :) More things to remember, more things to upload... | 13:29 |
| len-dt | astraljava, I'm just thinking in terms of making the LTS upgradelook the same as the live ISO. | 13:40 |
| len-dt | (or at least closer) | 13:41 |
| astraljava | Vanilla may use something that's coded into do-release-upgrade. I'm not sure about those, though. | 13:42 |
| smartboyhw | len-dt, so you want to abolish the whole upgrade testcase? | 14:34 |
| len-1210 | LMMS pulls in the windows fonts with the do you accept screen. How would live ISO/install deal with this? | 15:30 |
| len-1210 | ailo, ^^ | 15:30 |
| len-1210 | And does that mean wine is in there too? | 15:31 |
| * len-1210 finds yes it does... VST support. | 15:31 | |
| len-1210 | this would make LMMS hard to include in our ISO as we have found before | 15:32 |
| smartboyhw | len-1210, er...You want to abolish the whole upgrade testcase am I correct? | 15:37 |
| len-1210 | I don't know, I think it is broken in a way that will not be fixed for q | 15:38 |
| len-1210 | We can leave it as failed | 15:39 |
| len-1210 | (and won't be fixed) | 15:39 |
| len-1210 | However, I would like more input than mine | 15:40 |
| smartboyhw | Anyways... len-1210 even JoseeAntonioR had to fire off an email to see who is doing the Open Week session...Are you in? ailo also? | 15:40 |
| len-1210 | I think I mentioned it on thelist. So I expect comments there | 15:41 |
| len-1210 | Open Week... at that time I will be walking hard and fast... probably in the rain, with both hands full. | 15:42 |
| smartboyhw | len-1210, eh......... so? | 15:42 |
| * smartboyhw should expect ailo then:D | 15:42 | |
| smartboyhw | Anyway I am going to sleep scott-work/ScottL ailo stochastic len-1210 holstein just reply the email back to JoseeAntonioR if you want to do the session, got to sleep bye! | 15:45 |
| len-1210 | bye | 15:45 |
| * holstein checking the scheule to see | 16:06 | |
| ailo | len-dt: We need to do whatever we are doing with jackd | 16:34 |
| len-dt | LMMS also doesn't end up in the menu :P ailo not sure what you mena about jack | 17:02 |
| * len-dt is on his way out the door... | 17:02 | |
| ailo | len-dt: Normally you answer y/n to realtime when installing jackd. The iso install does that automatically | 17:19 |
| ailo | There is one difference though | 17:20 |
| ailo | I guess something about licensing? | 17:20 |
| ailo | len-dt: Did you try the latest ISO? Did you also have a non-expanded separator on the top panel? | 17:21 |
| len-dt | Latest ISO still has non-expanded sep. | 19:55 |
| len-dt | ailo, when upgrading jack the config should not change. | 19:56 |
| len-dt | ailo, in my opinion... the ubuntu version of jackd should look at the kernel and if it is lowlat. put in yes and no otherwise. It really shouldn't need a people to answer that question. The only reason to not have jack RT is if the kernel can't give it. | 20:10 |
| ailo | len-dt: You need the realtime option also with -generic, to get any kind of good performance | 20:34 |
| ailo | len-dt: The package is designed with Debian in mind | 20:34 |
| ailo | Users belong to audio group by default on Debian, so all you require in order to get realtime privilege is the file that the jackd package adds to /etc/security/limits.d/audio.conf | 20:35 |
| len-dt | ailo, wine fonts being a license really should have the user read and ok. Hitting yes for them is probably not legal. | 20:35 |
| ailo | len-dt: Question is if we are allowed to distribute or not. If yes, all we need to do is add info on the download page | 20:36 |
| ailo | len-dt: The reason why users are asked about putting the audio.conf file is because some say it poses a security issue | 20:37 |
| len-dt | The font installer is separate and could be run after ISO install | 20:37 |
| len-dt | ailo, I didn't know that | 20:37 |
| ailo | len-dt: There are different opinions as to which way would be the best way to achieve realtime privilege | 20:38 |
| ailo | Some would rather have rtkit handle it | 20:38 |
| ailo | But, since we just get the solution directly from Debian, we get what we get | 20:39 |
| len-dt | Ya, when if they change so do we. | 20:39 |
| ailo | len-dt: About ubuntustudio-default-settings. Procedure for updating the changelog? There was a command to do that based on commits, I believe.. | 20:40 |
| ailo | I would like to solve that first, and then try to get anyone to upload it | 20:41 |
| len-dt | I have been putting the comments in changelog and then pasting to commit. | 20:41 |
| len-dt | I happen to use joe to edit so the text is normally still on the screen anyway. | 20:42 |
| ailo | Ok. I think there was a command to create the changelog automatically based on commits | 20:42 |
| ailo | Too tired to investigate right now | 20:42 |
| ailo | Maybe micahg will turn up tomorrow, and we can wrap it up quickly | 20:42 |
| len-dt | Yes I have heard there is... I would think it was some BZR command but it seems to me it is a deb* command. | 20:43 |
| ailo | dch is the debian script that you usually use for updating Debian package changelogs | 20:43 |
| len-dt | ailo, it looks like the MSfonts package is optional. | 20:44 |
| ailo | In this case, I believe it was a bzr / debian tool | 20:44 |
| ailo | len-dt: Ah, right. Then we just do a "no" for the ISO install. And if we could add a thing at first login, which tells you there are unfinished tasks, that would be the best I think | 20:45 |
| len-dt | See the comment in the mailing list too. from Eric | 20:46 |
| len-dt | ailo, we could "blacklist" the fonts | 20:46 |
| * falktx jumps in | 20:47 | |
| falktx | LMMS doesnt have any piece of non-free code in it | 20:48 |
| falktx | Wine is the one responsible for pulling the ms fonts | 20:48 |
| falktx | any app that relies on wine will pull those | 20:48 |
| len-dt | It is just the ms fonts, but they are recommends | 20:48 |
| len-dt | We had issues with wine before breaking the amd64 ISO build. | 20:49 |
| falktx | lmms on 64bit doesn't use wine afaik | 20:49 |
| falktx | somehow it's not possible to build wine64 stuff on launchpad | 20:50 |
| len-dt | So it has a different feature set? | 20:50 |
| falktx | yes | 20:50 |
| falktx | only the 32bit has the vst support | 20:50 |
| len-dt | Sounds nice for support :P | 20:50 |
| falktx | I want to find out why wine-64bit fails to install on the launchpad builds, I need it for my tools | 20:51 |
| falktx | it's very weird, something related to multiarch, but complicated | 20:51 |
| len-dt | If it is included on the LIVE ISO it would have to be without the licenced fonts. | 20:51 |
| ailo | I find wine 32bit/64bit a bit confusing. I think most things I run on wine are 32bit, but then some 32bit stuff don't seem to work | 20:52 |
| ailo | Should be possible to run 32bit vst on amd64 wine? | 20:52 |
| falktx | yes | 20:52 |
| falktx | it works just fine | 20:52 |
| len-dt | That would make sense | 20:53 |
| falktx | building wine64 binaries on launchpad is the issue | 20:53 |
| falktx | this is why the 64bit build of lmms doesn't have vst | 20:53 |
| micahg | ailo: bumping changelog after a released version is dch -i -DUNRELEASED | 23:30 |
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