[00:51] <zyltoid> does anyone know what applet xubuntu uses for the date/time on the panel?
[00:52] <recon_lap> zyltoid: the date/time applet ?
[00:52] <zyltoid> recon_lap, if you click on the time it shows a dropdown calendar
[00:52] <zyltoid> the default xfce is just time
[00:52] <recon_lap> zyltoid: yep
[00:53] <zyltoid> i was wondering what application does that. or is the default patched to do that?
[00:54] <Unit193> xfce4-datetime-plugin does it like that, it's what I'm using.
[00:54] <recon_lap> zyltoid: dont remember doing anything special with the datetime applet, that is the way it works?
[00:55] <zyltoid> ah you're right. the default just shows the time (no dropdown). just had to add it
[00:56] <zyltoid> what i mean by default is the item that's used with a default xfce install
[00:56] <zyltoid> thanks
[00:56] <zyltoid> which is just clock
[00:59] <zyltoid> the updated  theme in 12.10 is nice :D
[01:39] <vacuous> hey I have apt removed xubuntu desktop, and very little seems to be using ram yet in top it still says I'm using half a gig
[01:39] <vacuous> is there a reason it's still eating all my ram?
[07:02] <xubuntu127> hello
[07:02] <xubuntu127> can someone help me with something
[10:21] <neqerrlvl> Hello. Xubuntu 12.04.1LTS here and 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03) not working half the time. sudo aptitude --purge reinstall linux-sound-base alsa-base alsa-utils linux-image-`uname -r` linux-ubuntu-modules-`uname -r` libasound2 isn't working either so I suppose it has to be some setting I am unaware of? I am on an ASUS laptop and onboard there is a well-supported soundcard that isn't recognised by ALSA. Any hel
[10:23] <neqerrlvl> Furthermore, if I open up pulseaudio and go to sound settings (I believe it was called pavucontrol or something) and go to Configure soundcards, it is just blanc and says "no soundcards to configure". It is really annoying, I have no sound anymore. Not from my internal laptopspeakers nor from headphones. Microphone port is neither recognised.
[10:25] <neqerrlvl> I asked #ubuntu and they couldn't help me out so they advised me to ask it here again.
[10:27] <TheSheep> neqerrlvl: anything relevant in dmesg?
[10:27] <neqerrlvl> excuse me?
[10:28] <neqerrlvl> what is dmesg?
[10:29] <baizon> http://www.linfo.org/dmesg.html
[10:31] <neqerrlvl> brb rebooting computer from installing gstreamer-properties
[10:41] <neqerrlvl> back again
[10:42] <neqerrlvl> look, I have only dummy-output as only output and nothing else. How do I get my internal speakers back?
[10:49] <baizon> neqerrlvl: maybe they are muted
[10:49] <baizon> or disabled
[10:49] <neqerrlvl> no they aren't
[10:50] <neqerrlvl> I have done every single thing to make them work
[10:50] <neqerrlvl> Truly, everything
[10:50] <neqerrlvl> If I don't get my sound to work, I will install Fedora
[10:51] <neqerrlvl> the weird thing is, sound works OK on the Live-CD of Xubuntu
[10:52] <neqerrlvl> I have lost faith in Xubuntu
[11:33] <photon> is there a way to get rid of the bottom bar and move the task bar at the top to the bottom?
[11:53] <TheSheep> photon: sure
[11:53] <TheSheep> photon: right click, panel, panel properties
[11:53] <photon> TheSheep: it only lets me choose between vertical and horizontal, not top or bottom.
[11:56] <TheSheep> photon: it lets you unlock it and then you can move it wherever you want
[11:56] <photon> oh... thanks!
[11:56]  * photon is being stupid, again
[11:56] <photon> how about removing the bottom bar, is that possible?
[11:57] <TheSheep> sure
[11:57] <TheSheep> there is a minus button next to the panel dropdown in the panel settings
[12:06] <photon> oh... I know you must feel like you're explaining the functionality of the power on/off button to an 80 year old person right now. thanks again!
[12:10] <TheSheep> photon: no, we actually get a lot of those questions, this interface is not very intuitive
[13:16] <popolon> hi
[13:16] <popolon> I've stranges bugs with samba on 11.04
[13:16] <popolon> 12.04 (sorry)
[13:18] <popolon> at the install time I have the following errorhttp://pastebin.com/0cTkBnkd
[13:18] <popolon> oops : http://pastebin.com/0cTkBnkd
[13:19] <popolon> do need the Open3.pm the x flag  ?
[13:19] <popolon> oohhh !!!
[13:19] <popolon> I know
[13:19] <popolon> :(
[13:19] <popolon> some scripts use /tmp/ to reconfigure system
[13:20] <popolon> and I forbidden exec on /tmp
[13:20] <popolon> sorry
[13:20] <popolon> I will try now, should be ok
[13:20] <popolon> bye
[14:00] <PN1> hi, i've uploaded a new media player to Ubuntu Software Center 2 day ago but my status is pending review.anyone knows what might be the reason it take so long to show?
[14:01] <PN1> just ignore that one...
[14:16] <Jasor> Does anyone know solution to fix laggy flash.
[14:17] <TheSheep> use html5 video! :D
[14:18] <Jasor> It is also laggy on my comp... cpu amd3700+
[14:18] <holstein> Jasor: you can mess about with the graphics drivers
[14:18] <baizon> brwoser?
[14:18] <Jasor> Firefox and crhomium
[14:19] <holstein> i usually suggest on 32bit systems to try troubleshooting with the chrome browser, since it has its own flash
[14:19] <Jasor> And ihave installed geforce drivers
[14:19] <holstein> Jasor: how is it without the proprietary drivers?
[14:20] <Jasor> Havent tested. Il try it out.
[14:28] <Jasor> Now it is even laggier and audio is out of sync.
[14:31] <photon> Is there a way to make the window buttons (minimize, maximize, close (X)) bigger? they appear to be so small compared to what I know from Classic Gnome.
[14:38] <TheSheep> photon: there are different window manager themes
[14:38] <TheSheep> photon: some have them bigger, some smaller
[14:38] <TheSheep> photon: you can change them in window manager settings
[14:44] <photon> TheSheep: are there additional ones that I can download from the web?
[14:46] <TheSheep> photon: sure, try xfce-look.org
[14:47] <TheSheep> photon: http://xfce-look.org/index.php?xcontentmode=420
[14:49] <photon> nice, thanks
[15:55] <marcpv> hi, please, how can i donate to Xubuntu?
[15:56] <torax> "<knome> forestpiskie, AFAIK, per the canonical policies, we can't make money out of xubuntu"
 Xfce would be a good target.
 agreed
[15:56] <baizon> marcpv: but you can donate by this
[15:56] <baizon> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/questions?distro=desktop&bits=64&release=lts
[15:56] <baizon> or to the xfce team
[15:56] <baizon> what would be a good choice like torax said
[15:57] <marcpv> oh ok, thanks
[15:58] <apm1> guys i have a problem with a kernel update
[16:00] <torax> apm1: share the problem
[16:01] <apm1> i just tried updating to 3.2.0-32-generic but it sayse dpkg has an error ?
[16:02] <torax> what exactly?
[16:02] <torax> put the output to pastebin or something
[16:03] <apm1> pasting it
[16:04] <apm1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1279445/
[16:06] <apm1> if i was to confess , well i tinkerd with grub and may have changed some things :(
[16:07] <apm1> how do i reset the grub.conf ?
[16:07] <zmisc> What's the difference between Xubuntu and Linux Mint (XFCE)
[16:08] <torax> apm1: you can try dpkg-reconfigure
[16:08] <apm1> torax, just "dpkg-reconfigure" ?
[16:08] <holstein> zmisc: xubuntu is ubuntu based, and uses the official ubuntu repos... mint is its own thing, based on ubuntu, but with differnt packages and access to different packages
[16:09] <holstein> !mint
[16:09] <holstein> /a/way
[16:09] <torax> apm1: dpkg-reconfigure grub2 or whatever the grub package is named
[16:09] <zmisc> holstein: I understand that Mint is not supported by Ubuntu and I am not asking for support for Mint.
[16:10] <apm1> how about i removed the grub package ?
[16:10] <holstein> zmisc: i wasnt linking that to be combatitive.. just to offer the link to the mint channels
[16:10] <zmisc> holstein: sorry my apologies, thank you for the suggestion.
[16:12] <zmisc> I'm just trying to weigh my options (ex Debian user) and I think Xubuntu might be a better route due to the fact that it is officially supported by Ubuntu. The Ubuntu ecosystem probably has a lot more to offer. In terms of support and cooperation.
[16:12] <bazhang> of course we will say xubuntu
[16:12] <holstein> zmisc: try the both live...
[16:12] <holstein> them*
[16:12] <bazhang> you can look up online what MINT has and does not have
[16:13] <holstein> most folks like the out of the box packages and things that ubuntu cannont include by default, but can easily be added
[16:14] <zmisc> I don't mind adding packages, rather I'd like to have less installed out of the box that way I can build my install how I'd like.
[16:15] <holstein> zmisc: its not significant in size like that.. mint is probably slightly larger for other reasons.. its more about licensing
[16:15] <apm1> zmisc, i beg your pardon sir but i being an old debian user as well might be packing my bags and maybe leaving to squezze land tonight ;)
[16:15] <zmisc> apm1: I believe potato, or woody were stable when I first started using Linux.
[16:16] <apm1> zmisc, ok but why did you ever leave ?
[16:16] <apm1> new hardware ?
[16:16] <zmisc> Stale packages :(
[16:17] <apm1> zmisc, well i love gnome 2 so you are talking to the wrong man abt that ;) :)
[16:18] <apm1> people say "gnome2 is still default on debian stable , that package must have layers of dust on it " ;)
[16:18] <zmisc> apm1: yeah I do agree that GNOME 2 is much better than 3.x.. I've been using XFCE since 4.0.1. So basically I'd like to keep up to date with XFCE and some of the desktop applications I use.
[16:19] <apm1> zmisc, ok , suit yourself but i am moving ;)
[16:20] <zmisc> :D
[16:22] <zmisc> apm1: Yup, it was Debian 3.0 "Woody" that I started on Linux (I had used Slackware for about 2 months.. but I don't really count that)
[17:55] <ruslan> hi. my usb stick fails to load with message: "Loading Operating System... Boot error". Nothing else. It is a usb stick with Xubuntu 12.04. I used startup disk creator. Please help
[17:58] <torax> ruslan: you could try making the usb key again, maybe with unetbootin
[17:59] <ruslan> torax, already tried. The stick runs on other PCs . I suspect it's  a BIOS issue
[18:01] <torax> try disconnecting all non-needed usb devices, use usb ports in back panel (if using a desktop)
[18:01] <torax> I cant really think of anything else right now
[18:01] <ruslan> torax, thank you. I'll try that. I have a lot of usb stuff there indeed
[18:04] <Unit193> ruslan: 1. BIOS supports it?  2. Is it trying to boot from the flash?  3. Can you force it to with the "Boot menu" which can be Esc or F12 on some computers?
[18:04] <Unit193> BIOS upgrade can help, at times (Did for me, but that's another story)
[18:06] <ruslan> Unit193, 1. not sure. 2. Yes. 3. I tried to boot with F12. The same thing. I'll try to upgrade BIOS. Thanks
[18:48] <erkan^> hello, i have a question. I use Windows 7 64-bits and I want install Xubuntu 32-bits via Wubi, but it doesn't work. can someone help me?
[18:52] <recon_lap> erkan^: was a bug reported in the wubi installer yesterday, might be you problem
[18:54] <erkan^> ah ok
[18:54] <recon_lap> erkan^: when did you download the installer
[18:56] <recon_lap> erkan^: are you getting  08-29 21:38 DEBUG  Distro: wrong version: 12.04 != 12.04.1
[18:58] <recon_lap> erkan^: also looks like it will install 64bit unless you force it to install 32bit
[19:19] <Rropicana> Still no news about the server issiue with metalink to download Xubuntu in windows mode?
[19:21] <TheSheep> Rropicana: nope
[19:21] <TheSheep> Rropicana: but I was thinking that you could download the iso yourself
[19:21] <TheSheep> Rropicana: and point WUBI to it
[19:21] <recon_lap> Rropicana: had a quick look, this error been around for couple of months , must be a fix out by now
[19:22] <recon_lap> Rropicana: just some many single reports of it marked new it's hard to find the actual bug report
[19:22] <Rropicana> well i tryed to download it and put the ISO fil on a USB stick, but it will not try to install it from the stick it just try to download it
[19:24] <Rropicana> TheSheep: how do i fix so it take the files from the stick instead of downloading it?
[19:24] <recon_lap> Rropicana: did you burn from disk image to USB or did you just copy the ISO?
[19:26] <recon_lap> Rropicana: never mind :-[
[19:26] <Rropicana> I used winrar to extract the files to the stick and then i started WUBI
[19:26] <Rropicana> :p
[19:26] <Rropicana> So the issiue is now that i dont know how to repoint the install
[19:26] <recon_lap> Rropicana: you should put the ISO unextraced in the same dir as wubi and then try
[19:27] <Rropicana> Okey will try that now
[19:34] <Rropicana> Still get the error :(
[19:34] <Rropicana> I have tryed with just iso fil
[19:34] <Rropicana> and also extracted
[19:35] <Rropicana> The iso fils name is xubuntu-12.04.1-alternate-i386 is that correct?
[19:36] <recon_lap> Rropicana: I'm looking for some docs, see if i can find the answer
[19:42] <recon_lap> Rropicana: download this and try http://releases.ubuntu.com/12.04/wubi.exe
[19:44] <Rropicana> still the same problem :(
[19:45] <Rropicana> but as i see in the URL you send me it says 12.04 but my ISO fil has the name 12.04.1
[19:45] <Unit193> I'd recommend dual-booting rather than using wubi.
[19:52] <Rropicana> Unit193: The problem is that i dont have a extern DVD reader so if i fail the install or anything goes wrong i cant reinstall windows
[19:52] <recon_lap> Bit silly that they could not fix this bug considering it's the least technical that it will affect
[19:54] <Rropicana> yeah, but i guess they put all the energy at Ubuntu instead :p
[19:57] <recon_lap> Rropicana: I'm reading this https://bugs.launchpad.net/wubi/+bug/1041142 , says it's fixed?
[19:58] <recon_lap> Rropicana: can you have a look for the log file wubi-12.04*.log  and pastebin it
[20:00] <Rropicana> You mean my error log?
[20:00] <Rropicana> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/+bug/1066150?comments=all
[20:04] <recon_lap> hmm, seems ubuntu fixed it but not xubuntu
[20:06] <Rropicana> yeah, and thats pretty annoying
[20:08] <recon_lap> hmm, and it seems all the setting are compiled into wubi.exe
[20:09] <Rropicana> I can tell you that i have installed Ubuntu this way and it worked perfect on my netbook
[20:09] <Sysi> you can install ubuntu and xubuntu-desktop on it
[20:10] <Rropicana> but then i wanted Xubuntu instead b/c it should not be that heave for my netbook
[20:10] <recon_lap> Rropicana: well, it's 4 days till 12.10 is released.
[20:11] <Sysi> xubuntu wubi support is dropped from 12.10
[20:12] <recon_lap> Rropicana: but nothing I can think of that will get it to work, need that meta package replaced on servers or updated wibu to be compiled and released
[20:13] <Rropicana> recon_lap: Do we know when that is going to happen?
[20:14] <recon_lap> Rropicana: no idea, really need a package maintainer to get on it, but they probably busy with 12.10 atm.
[20:15] <Rropicana> kk, so anyone know how i can install Xubuntu at my netbook and dont lose all the data i have on it and keep my win7?
[20:17] <recon_lap> Rropicana: well, you should back up your /home directory before you do any major upgrade. but I have no idea how you'll get wubi to work atm.
[20:19] <recon_lap> do the install CD's allow you to do a wubi install without network?
[20:20] <Rropicana> This is just a question... but if i do the WUBI install at Ubuntu cant i replace it when im inside with Xubuntu?
[20:21] <Rropicana> The funny thing is that i cant boot from my USB stick and i dont have a cd driver on the netbook
[20:21] <recon_lap> Rropicana: whats the netbook?
[20:23] <Rropicana> netbook is a mini laptop here in Sweden 10.1" screen
[20:24] <recon_lap> Rropicana: make and model I was interested in, surprising a net book wont boot from usb
[20:24] <Rropicana> Samsung nc110
[20:25] <Rropicana> or atleast it cant read the boot files from the USB stick
[20:26] <recon_lap> Rropicana: did you use unetbootin to burn the ISO on the USB drive?
[20:28] <Rropicana> i dont think so
[20:28] <Rropicana> I just downloaded the ISO fil and have bout iso and the extracted files on the stick
[20:29] <Rropicana> it can find the USB stick in BIOS but not when it boots
[20:29] <recon_lap> Rropicana: you need to use http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ to burn the ISO to the Flashdrive, thats why it's not booting
[20:30] <recon_lap> Rropicana: might not be the best link
[20:31] <recon_lap> Rropicana: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[20:31] <Sysi> "burning" here means extracting files and installing boot loader
[20:31] <Sysi> !purexfce
[20:32] <Sysi> ^^if you have ubuntu installation and want xubuntu
[20:33] <Sysi> wubi causes some lag, for disk operations at least, win7 can be installed from usb too
[20:35] <Rropicana> atm it feels easier to just use Ubuntu instead and try to tweak the system so it runs better
[20:36] <Rropicana> Sysi: so you mean if im using WUBI it slows down the compute?
[20:36] <Rropicana> r
[20:36] <Sysi> a bit
[20:37] <Sysi> Rropicana: at easiest, you get xubuntu by finding xubuntu-desktop in software center and choosing xubuntu session when loggin in
[20:38] <Sysi> I used wubi for a little while, it was somewhat unstable btu that might be just my HW
[20:39] <Rropicana> but if i make my USB boot able will i get the chance to choose a partition that i will install it on? or make a new partition and still have my win7 left
[20:40] <Rropicana> I get some lagspikes when im useing Ubuntu on my netbook and the mouse is freezing some times
[20:42] <recon_lap> Rropicana: not sure if it would work, but I think you get the option to wubi install if you insert the USB when windows is running
[20:44] <Rropicana> recon_lap: already tryed that :/
[20:44] <recon_lap> Rropicana: but you did not create the live USB correctly
[20:44] <recon_lap> Rropicana: using unetbootin
[20:45] <Rropicana> nop that i havnt tryed ;)
[20:51] <Rropicana> damn this will take some time :P
[20:51] <Rropicana> So after i have write all the files to the USB stick i will reboot then install?
[20:53] <recon_lap> Rropicana: if you want a wubi install probably just put the usb stink in while windows is running, should auto start.
[20:54] <recon_lap> stick*
[20:55] <Rropicana> That would be lovley if it works
[20:55] <Rropicana> :)
[21:02] <recon_lap> just hopes flash drive is formated for windows :)
[21:07] <Rropicana> fingers crossed :)
[21:46] <recon_lap> Rropicana: making any progress?
[21:47] <Rropicana> just finished the extraction to the usb but it didnt auto run
[21:48] <Rropicana> i tryed to use Wubi but it didnt work
[21:48] <Rropicana> so now i need to reboot and check whats going to happen
[21:48] <Rropicana> wish me luck :)
[21:48] <recon_lap> Rropicana: can you open the usb from windows?
[21:48] <Rropicana> yes
[21:49] <recon_lap> Rropicana: ok, just checking something :)
[21:49] <livingdaylight> greetings
[21:49] <recon_lap> Rropicana: you have to press shift to get the boot menu up when booting, might be usefull to know
[21:50] <Rropicana> ok
[21:50] <livingdaylight> can one install gnome themes in xfce? such as: http://tiheum.deviantart.com/art/Gnome-Shell-Faience-255097456
[21:51] <Rropicana> then i will go for the reboot now :) thx for the help see you soon
[21:51] <recon_lap> Rropicana: good luck
[21:52] <TheSheep> livingdaylight: you can install gtk 2/3 themes
[21:52] <TheSheep> livingdaylight: gnome shell is not supported
[21:52] <TheSheep> livingdaylight: oh, and icon themes work too
[21:54] <livingdaylight> TheSheep, thx. So, to be clear Faience is not available under xubuntu?
[21:57] <TheSheep> livingdaylight: parts of it will work
[21:57] <TheSheep> livingdaylight: but not everything
[22:46] <livingdaylight> hi, this laptop is 64bit capable, but only has 3gb of ram. Would you recommend 64 bit or will 32 more than do?
[22:47] <photon> 64 bit has more advantages than just accessing more than 4 GB of ram.
[22:48] <livingdaylight> sounds thereby that you're suggesting to 64bit if one can?
[22:51] <livingdaylight> it does mean using more memory and concerned how that might affect the laptop. It gets hot anyway.
[22:53] <photon> I'm sorry, I can't give you a qualified answer and I suggest waiting for someone who can. I was just throwing something in there that you might want to consider.
[22:54] <livingdaylight> sure, appreciate it.
[22:55] <recon_lap> livingdaylight: never had any issues running 64bit