[00:03] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1024951] New Activity widget misplaced @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1024951 (by Richard Sweeney)
[01:18] <apachelogger> hooray
[01:19] <apachelogger> 2 hours of my life wasted thanks to shitty gnome middleware
[01:19] <apachelogger> woohooo
[01:26] <apachelogger> actually I am not even sure how that would be fixed
[01:26] <apachelogger> Oo
[01:26] <apachelogger> actually that api does not even make sense
[01:27]  * apachelogger ponders sending ossi to go after the author
[06:45] <Techna_Rave_Pony> How would one update to the prerelease of quantal?
[06:49] <soee> update from ?
[06:49] <Techna_Rave_Pony> Precise
[06:50] <Techna_Rave_Pony> without a disk, I don't have a disk drive
[06:51] <soee> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/QuantalUpgrades/Kubuntu
[06:51] <Techna_Rave_Pony> thank you
[07:01] <Techna_Rave_Pony> upgrade should only take one to three hours at a decent connection speed, right?
[07:02] <valorie> Techna_Rave_Pony: it took me a couple of hours on a cable connection
[07:02] <valorie> not uber fast, but not dialup either
[07:03] <Techna_Rave_Pony> Rochester RoadRunner
[07:03] <Techna_Rave_Pony> Should be okay I think
[07:03] <Techna_Rave_Pony> good bye for now chaps
[09:02] <agateau> hi, wanted to finally update from precise to quantal, but "do-release-upgrade -d" tells me it can't find a new version. Is it a known bug?
[09:05] <StephanG> Hi guys,  I've been on quantal since beta 1, and I've been noticing that plasma occasionally becomes unresponsive.  Is this an issue with KDE, or Quantal specifically?
[09:06] <yofel_> agateau: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/QuantalUpgrades/Kubuntu
[09:07] <StephanG> Thanks, I'll take a look.
[09:08] <StephanG> Oh, agateau... *Blushes*
[09:10] <yofel_> heh
[09:11] <yofel_> I personally don't have freezes in plasma unless I have a network drive mounted and the network goes down. The only freezes I get here are full system freezes -.-
[09:14] <StephanG> Well, it might just be my panels.  But regardless, KRunner seems to be impervous to dying.  Whenever anything goes down, it's always faithfully there to bail me out.
[09:25] <xnox> agateau: do you have settings set to "LTS only" in software sources / upgrade manager?
[09:50] <agateau> yofel_: looks like it's working, thanks!
[09:50] <agateau> xnox: yes, that was it
[10:11] <Riddell> agateau: yay, good luck with the upgrade
[11:02]  * yofel_ found a reliable way to freeze plasma-netbook on his eeePC
[11:03] <yofel_> open the i386 live disk on a netbook, run the live session and click on 'Page one'. -> plasma-netbook sits there unresponsive with 100% CPU
[11:21] <Mamarok> does somebody know by hear where I can find the Kubuntu icon?
[11:21] <Mamarok> heart*
[11:23] <Riddell> KubuntuArtwork has the logo on the wiki
[11:24] <Mamarok> which is where? I don't see a link on the Kubuntu.org page btw, shouldn't that be referenced somewhere?
[11:25] <Mamarok> hm, I only want the icon, not the name
[11:27] <Mamarok> like the Quantal logo, but without the bird
[11:31] <Riddell> Mamarok: we've no file of that but it's not hard to get it with inkscape and the logo
[11:32] <Mamarok> I am a complete idiot when it comes to graphics
[11:33] <Mamarok> so somebody will have to provide me with it, as I only have the very old one here: http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/Download
[11:33] <Mamarok> I am transfering the wiki to c.k.o, but I would like to have more recent logos
[11:34] <Mamarok> else I use the "get started here" one from the default settings package, but it is square and that might look a bit awkward
[11:34] <Mamarok> and no, I really don't have time to get familiar with inkscape and learn how to extract a logo, I have hundreds of wiki pages to move
[11:36] <Mamarok> what about the favicon used in the browser for the tab?
[11:36] <Mamarok> any idea how I can get that one?
[11:37] <Riddell> Mamarok: http://people.ubuntu.com/~jr/kubuntu-gear.png
[11:37] <Riddell> comme ca?
[11:38] <Mamarok> cool, merci beaucoup :)
[12:04] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[13:38] <Quintasan> \o
[13:40] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1066861] Plasma-netbook freezes on live-disk after clicking on 'Page one' in the panel @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1066861 (by Philip Muškovac)
[13:41] <apachelogger> yofel_: does that also happen if you turn off desktop effects?
[13:42]  * apachelogger is seeing weird DE related intermediate freezery
[13:42] <yofel_> good question, will try
[13:45]  * Quintasan goes to do iso testing
[13:45] <Quintasan> bbl with results
[13:49] <shadeslayer> likewise
[13:49] <shadeslayer> plus, ktorrent takes an insanely long time to stop torrents for some reason
[13:50] <apachelogger> afiestas: did you file a lunchpad bug about the lid-close issue?
[13:52] <apachelogger> oh, god
[13:52] <apachelogger> I have flickering on login
[13:52] <apachelogger> WAH
[13:55] <apachelogger> oh, I don't have my gpg key with me
[13:56] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: can you upload something to a ppa somewhere?
[13:56] <shadeslayer> sure
[13:56] <shadeslayer> as long as it does not have locusts or prn
[13:57] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: kde-workspace r696
[13:57] <shadeslayer> r696?
[13:58] <apachelogger> revision
[13:58] <shadeslayer> from bzr?
[14:03] <shadeslayer> hm
[14:05] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: are you sure about that rev?
[14:05] <shadeslayer> maybe I'm missing something here :P
[14:06] <minimoy> hi all. I have a very little problem with libreoffice and the libreoffice-kde package. It does not concern kubuntu only but all distros running kde. Menus with libreoffice-kde package and the oxygen theme are not well defined.  you can see this screenshot http://ubuntuone.com/1MAHFwgJwk74hVkHJfWI0d
[14:07] <minimoy> It is not very beautiful and it boring (for eyes) to work with edges of menus not well delimited
[14:08] <apachelogger> hm
[14:08] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: perhaps I cloned
[14:08] <minimoy> what do you think about it ? Can we improve that ?
[14:08] <apachelogger> ah yes, I cloned
[14:08] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: pushed now
[14:09] <apachelogger> minimoy: we can drop libreoffice-kde
[14:09] <apachelogger> seeing as it is unmaintained
[14:09] <minimoy> yes
[14:09] <minimoy> but
[14:10]  * shadeslayer looks
[14:10] <minimoy> with this package we have the kde file picker and i don't want the gtk one
[14:11] <minimoy> with firefox we have the kmozillahelper for a very good integration into kde (thanks blue shell)
[14:12] <minimoy> why not improve the libreoffice-kde package in order to have an integration similar as firefox
[14:12] <apachelogger> minimoy: whishfull thinking does not make software become maintained though :)
[14:13] <minimoy> of course...
[14:14] <Riddell> gosh, Plasma Active 3 is out
[14:15] <apachelogger> meh, kwin is causing the login flickering
[14:15] <apachelogger> Riddell: do you have a machine without intel graphics?
[14:17] <Riddell> apachelogger: no, all intel here it seems
[14:18] <yofel_> I could test on nvidia later, but nouveau is usually even worse in such things
[14:20] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ninjas?
[14:20] <shadeslayer> fastest build times and what not
[14:20] <apachelogger> yofel: intel in quantal is really bad
[14:21] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: no, you mean, X in quantal is really bad ;)
[14:21] <apachelogger> no
[14:21] <shadeslayer> yes
[14:21] <apachelogger> actually
[14:21] <apachelogger> I mean mesa in quantal is really bad
[14:21] <apachelogger> X is bad in general
[14:21] <shadeslayer> hah
[14:21] <yofel> apachelogger: freezes with and without compositing.
[14:21] <yofel> compositing is off by default btw.
[14:21] <shadeslayer> ^
[14:21] <apachelogger> yofel: plasma broke it \o/
[14:21] <shadeslayer> and mgrasselin is complaining about it ;)
[14:21] <yofel> add the kernel to that
[14:22] <yofel> my thinkpad isn't too happy about 3.5 in general
[14:22] <apachelogger> use 3.6
[14:22]  * apachelogger is on 3.6 mainline
[14:22] <yofel> yeah, I should do that
[14:22] <yofel> will install it later
[14:22] <apachelogger> 3.5 does not even support my wifi :P
[14:22] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I'm just waiting for ack on ninjas
[14:22]  * shadeslayer is on 3.5.2 with patchery
[14:22] <shadeslayer> and all works well
[14:22] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: don't care :P
[14:23] <shadeslayer> heh ok
[14:23] <shadeslayer> ninjas it is
[14:23] <apachelogger> it's not like I need it built right now
[14:23] <shadeslayer> oh pft
[14:23] <yofel> am I the only one that actually tries to use the archive kernel? :D
[14:23] <shadeslayer> no build queues
[14:23] <apachelogger> yofel: yes :P
[14:23] <mikhas> apachelogger, minimoy: cutting the -kde package for a while would make it painfully aware that libreoffice integration lacks maintainership
[14:24] <apachelogger> everyone who's seen the amount of patchery in the archive kernel will not want to use it anymore :P
[14:24] <mikhas> *painfully obvious
[14:24] <shadeslayer> hehe
[14:24] <apachelogger> on that note
[14:24] <apachelogger> we need to do a patch review in the next series
[14:25] <apachelogger> I get the feeling that we have way too many patches in the big kde packages and even more so in qt
[14:25] <shadeslayer> wtff
[14:25] <shadeslayer> https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental/+build/3905291
[14:26] <shadeslayer> is that a ARM builder virtualizing i386 ?
[14:26] <apachelogger> afiestas: https://bugs.launchpad.net/kdebase-workspace/+bug/1066892
[14:26] <yofel> @_@
[14:27] <yofel>  menkib (QEMU'd ARM test builder) builds Intel 386 binaries and is owned by Nick Moffitt. 
[14:27] <yofel> makes no sense
[14:27] <shadeslayer> yeah
[14:27] <apachelogger> why?
[14:28] <shadeslayer> not sure if ARM builder that QEMU'd to build i386 or the other way around
[14:28] <apachelogger> arm is a 32bit architecture
[14:28] <yofel> certainly, but no Intel 386
[14:28] <yofel> *not
[14:28] <apachelogger> that's why one uses qemu
[14:28]  * shadeslayer also points to build times if that's not icecc'd
[14:29]  * apachelogger has seen OBS setups having loads of problems from doing it the other way around
[14:29] <apachelogger> point being, i386 virtualization is excellent whereas arm virtualization is soso
[14:30] <shadeslayer> I'm actually *happy* about this :p
[14:30] <apachelogger> so assuming you want to build i386 and arm in the same farm it makes sense to have native arm builds and virtual i386 builds
[14:30] <shadeslayer> probably means lower power consumption 
[14:30] <shadeslayer> as long as the build times are the same
[14:30] <apachelogger> makes next to no difference in the big picture :P
[14:40] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1066892] initial power profiles do not use suspend support @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1066892 (by Harald Sitter)
[15:03] <Quintasan> amd64 manual partitioning - passed
[15:03] <Quintasan> same for i386
[15:04] <Riddell> awooga
[15:06]  * Quintasan makes something to eat and installs back everything he needs
[15:26] <Riddell> Darkwing: ping?
[15:26] <Riddell> translations? 
[15:26] <Riddell> and bug 1049278
[15:37] <Darkwing> Riddell: I'll look at it today.\
[15:38] <Riddell> Darkwing: thanks
[15:38] <Riddell> claydoh: fancy filling in some blanks here? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseNotes/Kubuntu
[15:39] <Riddell> YuriyVidineev_: ug you're right on the netbook issue
[15:39] <Riddell> yofel rather
[15:41] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1066892] initial power profiles do not use suspend support @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1066892 (by Harald Sitter)
[15:44] <Riddell> or mparillo ? :)
[15:44] <Riddell> fancy filling in some blanks here? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseNotes/Kubuntu
[15:45] <mparillo> Riddell: I can try. Looks more blank than previous versions ;-)
[15:48] <Riddell> mparillo: this isn't the release announcment
[15:49] <Riddell> it's the more dry and boring release notes
[15:49] <Riddell> so you can just take the release announcement and remove the shiny language and pictures
[15:49] <Riddell> of course we also need a nice release announcement page
[16:04] <mparillo> Ouch. Got a 500 when I saved my minor edits, and now the page appears gone.
[16:09] <mikhas> the cloud is a great place to lose your data
[16:15] <Riddell> mparillo: erk
[16:16] <Riddell> well it's still in the history
[16:16] <Riddell> but I don't know how to revert
[16:18] <Riddell> skaet: any ideas?
[16:24] <mparillo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseNotes/Kubuntu is still gone. Once before when a wiki page got a 500 when saving my updates is magically re-appeared (perhaps when somebody else saved his updates). But (at least so far), not yet.
[16:34] <Riddell> mparillo: well it's still in the history
[16:34] <Riddell> but I don't know how to revert
[16:34] <mparillo> Is it under the drop-down for more actions?
[16:35] <Riddell> ah hah
[16:35] <Riddell> ooh that's broken
[16:35] <skaet> hmm... what's wrong?
[16:36] <Riddell> <class 'MoinMoin.PageEditor.CouldNotLock'>
[16:36]  * skaet blinks
[16:36] <skaet> no Kubuntu page??
[16:36] <Riddell> skaet: wiki breakage, I've taken it to -sysadmin
[16:36] <skaet> Riddell,  thanks.   Let me kno.w if I need to help.   It was there yesterday
[16:37] <Riddell> yeah, just broke when mparillo tried to edit it
[16:37] <mparillo> Actually to be precise, when I tried to save my minor edits.
[16:38] <mparillo> This happened also with the WhoWeAre page also. I simply re-did it that time.
[16:43] <allee> apachelogger: please have a look at my comment in bug 781728  
[16:43] <apachelogger> uha
[16:43] <apachelogger> that's curious
[16:44] <apachelogger> allee: I'd take the xpm stuff to debian btw
[16:44] <Riddell> mparillo: here's a copy in the mean time https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseNotes/Kubuntu2
[16:45] <apachelogger> # Oxygen Icons already in kdeicons-oxygen
[16:45] <apachelogger> ah
[16:45] <apachelogger> allee: seems at some point it installed them to oxygne rather than hicolor
[16:45] <apachelogger> then when that got fixed upstream some packager did not update it properly
[16:45] <allee> apachelogger: I added this stuff ages ago when dmenu was the hottest stuff on earth.  But now I'm happy when you kill it :-)
[16:45] <allee> stuff == xpm.d/*
[16:46] <apachelogger> oh well, I can kill it, but it's going to creep back in unless someone kills it in debian too ;)
[16:49] <allee> right :-(
[16:51] <apachelogger> Riddell: is the known issue for kdm still applicable? what with us using lightdm and all
[16:52] <apachelogger> ah, I am looking at old data apparently
[16:52] <allee> As I've seen digikam pkging, could profit also from a debian/ubuntu pkging unification.  Not sure if all the different library pkg make sense because I'm not sure if upstream now try to not break  ABI backward compat
[16:53] <apachelogger> allee: last I checked the libs still were considered privatey
[16:54] <allee> apachelogger: then, as kipi-plugins now is merged back into digikam, do the -dev pkg make sense at all?
[16:55] <allee> apachelogger: should be forbitten to build-dep on them, right?
[16:59] <balloons> Riddell, ScottK can one of you confirm this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-qa-website/+bug/1066821 If so I'll fix it
[17:01] <Riddell> oh yes, my typo I guess, let me fix
[17:01] <balloons> kk
[17:04] <balloons> can you close the bug once it's fixed?
[17:04] <balloons> thanks!
[17:04] <Riddell> voila
[17:05] <balloons> :-)
[17:45] <Riddell> mparillo: time to learn to use a real IRC client to stop the disconnects :)
[17:46] <mparillo> My office blocks the IRC port, I think. I use Quassell at home, but webchat at work. Anyway, I do have to get back to my day job, but I put some updates into Kubuntu2
[17:47] <Riddell> thanks
[17:47] <mparillo> My pleasure. Shame about those day jobs ;-)
[17:52] <Riddell> apachelogger: so this power management patch, are you doing the SRU or me? I lose track
[17:53] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1066861] Plasma-netbook freezes after clicking on 'Page one' in the panel @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1066861 (by Philip Muškovac)
[18:13] <Riddell> rdieter: hey you're running non-kubuntu packages I guess, would you be able to see if bug 1066861 is a generic issue or something specific to kubuntu?
[18:13] <Riddell> just needs running plasma-netbook and switching to Page one
[18:15] <rdieter> Riddell: ok, I'll see
[18:19] <rdieter> Riddell: switching to page one in plasma-netbook seems ok for me
[18:20] <Riddell> bah, what have we done to it
[18:20] <Riddell> thanks rdieter 
[18:24] <apachelogger> Riddell: me
[18:25] <JontheEchidna> welp, this is a new one on me... http://paste.kde.org/570368/
[18:26] <yofel> o.O
[18:27] <yofel> try again? or does it fail every time?
[18:27] <JontheEchidna> worked the second time
[18:27] <JontheEchidna> just very strange...
[18:28] <yofel> true, first time I'm seeing this as well
[18:28] <JontheEchidna> this suggests the server was under load: http://blog.e-shell.org/270
[18:29] <JontheEchidna> off to class, bbiab
[18:49] <ScottK> Riddell: I can confirm the netbook page one problem.
[18:49] <ScottK> It's eating 100% CPU, much like quassel does when I switch between channels with a large backlog.
[18:50] <ScottK> I wonder if these are common effects of some Qt issue.
[18:53] <shadeslayer> for some reason I cannot reproduce said issue on quantal
[18:55] <shadeslayer> but qt is different, 4.8.3 in quantal vs 4.8.2 in precise
[18:57] <yofel> quassel works fine for me, just plasma-netbook not
[19:08] <shadeslayer> did someone start adding blue prints for approval? we only have 2 weeks before UDS ;)
[19:25] <shadeslayer> heh
[19:25] <shadeslayer> http://www.reddit.com/r/Kubuntu/comments/111dwc/fix_for_broken_menubar_widget_in_kde_49_on/
[19:29] <yofel> we have a reddit channel o.O?
[19:29] <ScottK> I got a backtrace eventually on the netbook thing.
[19:29] <shadeslayer> s/channel/subreddit
[19:29] <ScottK> I installed debug packages and I'm waiting for it to regenerate now.
[19:29] <yofel> ah right
[19:47] <ScottK> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1281821/ is the traceback I got for the netbook issue (eventually)
[19:47] <ScottK> shadeslayer: ^^^
[20:52] <skaet> Riddell,   wiki page has been restored.
[21:28] <claydoh> Riddell: i am off to work now, possibly putting in a full week in the next 3 days, but I will look at it when I ger home tomorrow morning