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| veebers | Does anyone know if it's possible to add a ppa during the normal desktop installation (without using a preseed file)? | 01:51 |
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| pitti | Bonjour | 04:38 |
| pitti | JoseeAntonioR: just ask, I'm reading backscroll :) | 04:38 |
| JoseeAntonioR | pitti: mind a quick pm? :) | 04:39 |
| pitti | as I said, just ask | 04:39 |
| didrocks | good morning | 05:22 |
| pitti | bonjour didrocks! as-tu eu un bon week-end? | 05:24 |
| didrocks | pitti: bon week-end, on a visité pas mal de salles pour le mariage, donc un peu fatigué :) | 05:25 |
| didrocks | et toi? | 05:25 |
| pitti | ooh, wedding preps! | 05:26 |
| didrocks | yep ;) | 05:26 |
| pitti | didrocks: il était calme; we went to the cinema ("Looper"), an hour into the woods for collecting mushroom, and to the Botanic garden | 05:27 |
| pitti | enjoying the nice autumn weather | 05:27 |
| didrocks | oh, seems to be a lovely weekend, indeed :) | 05:27 |
| pitti | didrocks: avez-vous trouver une bonne salle? | 05:29 |
| didrocks | pitti: oui, je pense qu'on en a trouvé une. Maintenant, il faut voir si on peut avoir un bon traiteur au même endroit + le curé pour le mariage :) | 05:30 |
| pitti | ok, I need babelfish for that one | 05:30 |
| pitti | didrocks: how much time do you have left? | 05:31 |
| didrocks | pitti: just a little bit less than a year ;) | 05:32 |
| pitti | ah, plenty of time | 05:32 |
| didrocks | indeed, but it seems that rooms are booked already, we have few free dates remaining :) | 05:34 |
| BigWhale | Good Morning everyone. | 06:14 |
| didrocks | hey BigWhale | 06:16 |
| chrisccoulson | good morning everyone | 06:20 |
| BigWhale | hey didrocks, chrisccoulson :) | 06:20 |
| didrocks | morning chrisccoulson :) | 06:20 |
| chrisccoulson | hi BigWhale | 06:20 |
| chrisccoulson | hi didrocks, how are you? | 06:20 |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: a little bit tired, but fine! thanks :) yourself? | 06:21 |
| pitti | hey chrisccoulson, how are you? | 06:21 |
| chrisccoulson | didrocks, yeah, pretty much the same. my daughter is starting to look a bit better this morning too :) | 06:21 |
| chrisccoulson | hey pitti, i'm good thanks. how are you? | 06:21 |
| didrocks | ah, great to hear for you daughter :) | 06:22 |
| didrocks | your* | 06:22 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: quite fine, thanks! had a relaxing weekend | 06:22 |
| pitti | good to hear about your daughter | 06:22 |
| chrisccoulson | thanks :) | 06:22 |
| jibel | good morning | 06:41 |
| rickspencer3 | hi jibel | 06:44 |
| didrocks | salut jibel, hey rickspencer3! | 06:45 |
| jibel | Hey rickspencer3! | 06:45 |
| jibel | bonjour didrocks | 06:45 |
| rickspencer3 | bonjhour mes amis? | 06:45 |
| rickspencer3 | 12.10, c'est bon? | 06:46 |
| didrocks | de mon côté, pas de catastrophe pour unity, good to roll! :-) | 06:46 |
| rickspencer3 | le mot dans la rue? | 06:47 |
| rickspencer3 | didrocks, tres bien | 06:47 |
| rickspencer3 | j'ai boisson mettre les cles compose pour l'accents dans cet ordinateur :) | 06:47 |
| rickspencer3 | didrocks, il y a plus des respins pour 12.10, ou, 12.10 est finis? | 06:48 |
| didrocks | rickspencer3: achète un clavier azerty! :) | 06:48 |
| didrocks | rickspencer3: je crois qu'il y a eu un respin ce week-end pour le boot efi. Je vois rien pour l'instant qui demanderait un autre respin :) | 06:49 |
| rickspencer3 | chouette | 06:49 |
| jibel | rickspencer3, at least 1 respin planned to get a fix in apt and another fix for the "reinstall" functionality in ubiquity | 06:50 |
| rickspencer3 | jibel, je ne connais pas "reinstall" :/ | 06:50 |
| didrocks | jibel: c'est celui qui est dans -proposed? | 06:51 |
| jibel | didrocks, yes, found it yesterday, Colin fixed it yesterday evening | 06:51 |
| rickspencer3 | aha | 06:51 |
| jibel | rickspencer3, ubiquity offers to reinstall the system when it finds an existing installation | 06:51 |
| rickspencer3 | jibel, we should add tests for that today :) | 06:51 |
| jibel | rickspencer3, bug 1066347 | 06:52 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1066347 in ubiquity ""Reinstall Ubuntu" failed - apt-clone crashes with: KeyError: "filename './etc/apt/sources.list' not found" line 1886 in getmember in tarfile.py" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1066347 | 06:52 |
| jibel | rickspencer3, indeed :) | 06:52 |
| sbte | pitti, I just replied to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/emesene/+bug/1050358 | 06:58 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1050358 in pygobject-2 "emesene crashed with SIGSEGV in tupledealloc.24592()" [High,Confirmed] | 06:58 |
| pitti | sbte: ah, thanks | 06:59 |
| pitti | hey rickspencer3, ça va? | 06:59 |
| rickspencer3 | bonjour pitti! je vais bien, et tois? | 07:00 |
| rickspencer3 | je suis a londre :) | 07:00 |
| rickspencer3 | je suis a londres* ;) | 07:00 |
| * rickspencer3 sets up compose keys | 07:01 | |
| pitti | rickspencer3: je vais très bien, merci! j'ai eu un week-end calme | 07:01 |
| pitti | we had marvellous sunny fall weather, so we went outside quite a lot | 07:01 |
| rickspencer3 | choutte! | 07:02 |
| rickspencer3 | samedi, j'ai courru acote la mer d'isle of man | 07:02 |
| rickspencer3 | c'est telement jolli | 07:02 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: "choutte"? | 07:02 |
| didrocks | pitti: "chouette" I guess :) | 07:03 |
| jibel | pitti, "Chouette" = nice | 07:03 |
| rickspencer3 | sorry | 07:03 |
| pitti | oh, google says that means "owl" | 07:03 |
| rickspencer3 | è é ô, etc... | 07:03 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti, la chouette = owl | 07:04 |
| rickspencer3 | chouette = "cool" | 07:04 |
| rickspencer3 | sans l'aritcle ;) | 07:04 |
| pitti | j'ai apprendre un nouveau mot ajourd'hui :) | 07:04 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti, I think it was current slang in like 1975 | 07:04 |
| didrocks | yeah, it's a little bit old-fashionned :) | 07:04 |
| rickspencer3 | now they say "nikel" | 07:04 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: tu as un clef compose maintenant? | 07:05 |
| pitti | ☺ æ → | 07:05 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti, oui, c'est vrais ;) | 07:05 |
| rickspencer3 | mais, je ne puex pas épeller avec ou sans le clés compose ;) | 07:06 |
| pitti | oui, c'est très utile | 07:07 |
| pitti | translage.g.c ne sait pas "nikel" | 07:08 |
| rickspencer3 | je pense il y a un systém pour la correction d'eppllage | 07:08 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti, nickel? | 07:08 |
| rickspencer3 | oui, c'est "nickel" desolé | 07:08 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: oui, mais c'est juste la pièce de monnaie | 07:09 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti, the mysteries of slang :) | 07:09 |
| pitti | *tsk* | 07:09 |
| didrocks | pitti: non, c'est "niquel" le matériau | 07:09 |
| jibel | pitti, "chouette" comes from the old French verb "Choeter" which meant "to be handsome" and now means "it is a good news" | 07:09 |
| didrocks | https://www.google.com/search?q=niquel&hl=en&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=tLZ7UInrHZKZhQf58oDQCw&ved=0CDEQsAQ&biw=1920&bih=994 | 07:09 |
| rickspencer3 | aha! | 07:09 |
| didrocks | "nickel" is "cool" | 07:09 |
| pitti | didrocks: as if that wouldn't be any less weird | 07:10 |
| rickspencer3 | j'ai ecouté "nickel platinum" aussi | 07:10 |
| didrocks | rickspencer3: ahah ;) | 07:10 |
| didrocks | pitti: TBH, I see more than 50% mispelling "niquel" for "nickel" :p | 07:10 |
| didrocks | (long discussions on #gnomefr :p) | 07:10 |
| rickspencer3 | j'ai regardé tv le monde heir denier, mais, je n'ai pas comprix :( | 07:11 |
| rickspencer3 | les françaises ... si vous ples ... parle plus lentment! | 07:12 |
| didrocks | tv5monde? je regarde peu la chaine, mais j'imagine que le débit de parole est rapide | 07:12 |
| didrocks | ahah, c'est dans toutes les langues "les américains, svp, plus lent!" ;) | 07:12 |
| mlankhorst | Lets all pretend we're french day? | 07:13 |
| mlankhorst | Je t'aime! | 07:13 |
| pitti | "Je suis un homme français" | 07:14 |
| didrocks | jibel: on a réussi, finalement \o/ | 07:14 |
| pitti | ... et je l'aime! | 07:14 |
| * didrocks change le langpack par défaut et demande un respin de 13.10 | 07:14 | |
| didrocks | 12.10* | 07:14 |
| mlankhorst | Ah oui! | 07:14 |
| pitti | didrocks: wasn't that what seb128 announced 5 months ago already anyway? | 07:14 |
| didrocks | pitti: ouai, mais j'avais peur que ce "bug" ne soit pas corrigé :) | 07:15 |
| didrocks | ("bogue" en bon français) | 07:15 |
| pitti | ah ah | 07:17 |
| pitti | (see, I'm even imitating French laughter!) | 07:17 |
| mlankhorst | riri | 07:19 |
| didrocks | riri? :p | 07:19 |
| pitti | didrocks: FWIW, with all the CPU/battery/memory increase, it certainly doesn't help that unity grows more and more python daemons :( | 07:19 |
| pitti | didrocks: do you know if there's any plan to rewrite them in Vala? (and stop adding more Python daemons in the frist place)? | 07:19 |
| didrocks | pitti: I agree and we'll probably put the issue down on paper with PS | 07:20 |
| didrocks | pitti: I heard about Go… | 07:20 |
| pitti | well, anything which doesn't incur a 0.5 second start penalty even on fast machines | 07:20 |
| pitti | and a huge memory footprint | 07:20 |
| pitti | opening the dash the first time on my netbook is ridiculously slow, and it's even worse on arm | 07:20 |
| * mlankhorst tried | 07:24 | |
| seb128 | hey desktopers | 07:37 |
| didrocks | hey! | 07:37 |
| rickspencer3 | bonjour seb128 | 07:38 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, salut ! toujours à Londre ? | 07:39 |
| seb128 | lut didrocks | 07:39 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, oui, je suis à Londres | 07:39 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, quel est la mot dans la rue apropos 12.10? | 07:39 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, ca a l'air ok pour l'instant | 07:41 |
| rickspencer3 | l'air "ok" ? | 07:41 |
| rickspencer3 | pas l'air niquel? | 07:42 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, disont qu'il y a quelques bugs que j'aurais préféré ne pas voir dans la release | 07:44 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, mais rien de suffisant pour stopper,retarder la release | 07:44 |
| chrisccoulson | good morning french people | 07:45 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, good morning our uk friend, how is your rainy country today? ;-) | 07:47 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128, it's a bit miserable outside ;) | 07:48 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, had a good W.E? Is your daughter better? | 07:48 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128, yeah, she looks a bit better this morning. her face doesn't look as swollen today | 07:48 |
| rickspencer3 | hi chrisccoulson :) | 07:48 |
| chrisccoulson | how are you? | 07:48 |
| chrisccoulson | hi rickspencer3 :) | 07:48 |
| pitti | salut seb128! | 07:51 |
| seb128 | pitti, salut, ca va ? t'as passé un bon w.e ? | 07:54 |
| * bryceh waves in a frenchly manner | 07:55 | |
| seb128 | bryceh, hey, how are you? In London as well or just not sleeping on a sunday night? ;-) | 07:55 |
| * mlankhorst will go on his next flight with air france klm | 07:56 | |
| didrocks | hey bryceh :) | 07:56 |
| bryceh | seb128, nah, just being a night owl | 07:56 |
| bryceh | "le couch-tard" apparently? | 07:57 |
| seb128 | that's correct ;-) | 07:57 |
| bryceh | well that works in english too ;-) | 07:58 |
| Laney | haha | 08:00 |
| Laney | morning | 08:00 |
| seb128 | Laney, hey, how are you? | 08:02 |
| pitti | seb128: oui, c'était jolie et calme; nous avons eu du beau temps | 08:04 |
| Laney | seb128: good thanks! good weekend? | 08:04 |
| pitti | seb128: "joli" | 08:05 |
| seb128 | pitti, ici vent et pluie :-( | 08:05 |
| didrocks | ici ciel bleu :) | 08:05 |
| seb128 | Laney, quite good thanks, spa on saturday, starcraft on sunday | 08:05 |
| pitti | seb128: comme c'est dommage | 08:05 |
| * Laney got the new x-com game | 08:05 | |
| seb128 | pitti, c'est l'automne | 08:05 |
| pitti | ah well, playing games is quite nice, too :) | 08:05 |
| seb128 | Laney, unknown enemy? how is it? | 08:05 |
| seb128 | I'm pondering buying it | 08:06 |
| seb128 | I think RAOF plays it as well | 08:06 |
| Laney | yeah it's fun, definitely a lot in common with the original | 08:06 |
| seb128 | I used to play the old xcom, it has been a while ... in the 90's | 08:06 |
| Laney | so if you liked those, get it | 08:06 |
| MCR1 | Laney, seb128, RAOF: Shame on you ;) (just joking) - you should all try UFO:AI, which is open source: www.ufoai.org ! | 08:07 |
| seb128 | well, I played only one, it was a by turn strategic team battle | 08:07 |
| Laney | yeah, that's the same :-) | 08:07 |
| seb128 | do you need a powerful video to play? I'm never sure if intel cards let you run modern games :p | 08:08 |
| pitti | I've been playing Wesnoth for quite a while | 08:08 |
| seb128 | shame on me, I activated my win7 disk this W.E | 08:08 |
| MCR1 | seb128: Yes, it is OpenGL. | 08:08 |
| pitti | I loved Battle Isle back then, but the DOS version is too clumsy now and I can't find my BI3 CD any more | 08:08 |
| seb128 | I swapped my disk with a ssd one when I bought the laptop, I still have win on the old disk, I swapped it back ... works fine | 08:09 |
| MCR1 | but UFO:AI really is great, so if you do not know it - please try | 08:09 |
| pitti | wesnoth is quite a lot of fun, too; just tends to be quite hard in the later campaigns | 08:09 |
| Laney | will do! | 08:09 |
| MCR1 | imho it is the best open-source game out there | 08:09 |
| seb128 | MCR1, thanks, will try | 08:09 |
| seb128 | pitti, oh, battle isle, I played that as well | 08:09 |
| MCR1 | (I contributed quite a bit to it) | 08:09 |
| pitti | seb128: I tried again in dosbox some weeks ago, but with today's monitors and mouse control expectancies it feels really clumsy | 08:10 |
| Laney | didrocks: PS freeze session> hah, thanks for that, was considering doing that | 08:13 |
| didrocks | Laney: yeah, I think the discussion is important (with design, the different distro teams and so on… ;)) | 08:14 |
| Laney | gnome doesn't have a standing exception these days though btw | 08:14 |
| Laney | it's not usually necessary as we are aligned with them | 08:15 |
| bryceh | sadly only game I got to play this Sunday was catching-baby-climbing-over-couche-tard | 08:16 |
| didrocks | Laney: hum, really? I'm pretty sure we still do push it even with the GNOME freeze after ours | 08:17 |
| Laney | yeah | 08:17 |
| Laney | it came up last cycle IIRC | 08:17 |
| Laney | but we agreed it's not necessary | 08:17 |
| mvo | seb128: good morning - bug #1032953 looks a lot like a gvfs bug to me, afaics there is no code in update-notifier that triggers it, just running the mainloop there is enough to crash | 08:20 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1032953 in gvfs "update-notifier crashed with SIGSEGV in g_object_ref()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1032953 | 08:20 |
| mvo | seb128: its #8 on errors | 08:20 |
| seb128 | mvo, thanks, I will have a look | 08:22 |
| mvo | seb128: bug #1032925 looks a bit similar, also no real u-n code involved but library code, in this case dconf. maybe there is some generic memory corruption :/ or they are just two independent bugs | 08:28 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1032925 in update-notifier "update-notifier crashed with SIGSEGV in g_object_ref()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1032925 | 08:28 |
| mvo | (nr #22 on errors) | 08:28 |
| sbte | pitti, will the segfault I sent you be fixed before 12.10? | 09:10 |
| pitti | sbte: no, release is Thursday and everything is deep frozen | 09:10 |
| pitti | this is perfectly SRUable | 09:10 |
| pitti | and we don't even have debugged it yet | 09:10 |
| sbte | pitti, ok, too bad. I hope it doesn't affect a lot of other applications | 09:12 |
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| om26er | pitti, hey! before release of 12.10 will apport be disabled ? (or is it already?) | 09:18 |
| pitti | om26er: it is already | 09:19 |
| pitti | om26er: well, reporting crashes to Launchpad is | 09:19 |
| pitti | just as with precise, we keep reporting crashes to errors.u.c. | 09:19 |
| om26er | Ok | 09:20 |
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| chrisccoulson | sigh https://launchpadlibrarian.net/119773304/buildlog_ubuntu-quantal-amd64.firefox-trunk_19.0~a1~hg20121014r110233-0ubuntu1~umd1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz | 09:30 |
| chrisccoulson | because of http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/a913c8c0de54 :( | 09:30 |
| chrisccoulson | fantastic start to the week! | 09:30 |
| ayan | seb128: i attached some debdiffs to lp780117 -- does that bug need anything else from me? | 09:38 |
| seb128 | ayan, no, that looks fine, thanks | 09:39 |
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| Laney | pitti: hey, just got pinged on #debian-gnome about the explicit upstart dep that dbus has. do you remember what it was for? | 11:45 |
| Laney | it's pre-lucid anyway so it seems we can drop it and rely on the upstart-job automatic dep now anyway | 11:45 |
| pitti | Laney: no idea about it, I'm afraid; that's still from Keybuk | 11:53 |
| Laney | old skool | 11:54 |
| pitti | didrocks: just watched BBT 4.03 over lunch -- that one is just awesome | 11:54 |
| pitti | didrocks: err, 6.03 of course | 11:54 |
| seb128 | pitti, bbt? | 12:00 |
| seb128 | oh | 12:00 |
| pitti | seb128: Big Bang Theory | 12:00 |
| seb128 | yeah, just got it :p | 12:00 |
| seb128 | I should buy the DVDs | 12:01 |
| pitti | sorry, OT | 12:01 |
| didrocks | pitti: so late! already done on Friday :) | 12:07 |
| pitti | didrocks: yeah, I didn't have time for a lunch break on Friday | 12:07 |
| didrocks | dinner time with Julie for me :) (she's more fan than I even am ;)) | 12:07 |
| didrocks | so I would get killed if I watch it without her :p | 12:08 |
| pitti | hah | 12:08 |
| seb128 | do you guys have the DVDs? or are they broadcasted on TV somewhere? | 12:09 |
| pitti | just watching from the interwebs | 12:09 |
| pitti | seb128: is season 6 on DVD even? it's the current season on TB | 12:10 |
| pitti | TV | 12:10 |
| didrocks | seb128: same here, I doubt the current season is on dvd :) | 12:11 |
| didrocks | but ECANTWAIT :) | 12:11 |
| pitti | same here :) | 12:11 |
| seb128 | didrocks, pitti: ok, I'm probably less good at/wanting to find warez videos on the internet ;-) | 12:19 |
| seb128 | but I'm lagging behind on bbt anyway, I could just buy the first seasons in DVDs | 12:19 |
| * desrt yawns | 12:24 | |
| seb128 | desrt, hey, how are you? had a good long W.E? | 12:24 |
| desrt | yup | 12:24 |
| desrt | dunno if you saw planet but i'm developing one hell of a next-cycle TODO list | 12:24 |
| bcurtiswx | seb128, do you use empathy? | 12:24 |
| seb128 | bcurtiswx, not a lot, I use piding most of the time | 12:25 |
| seb128 | desrt, the Boston glib/GTK plans? | 12:25 |
| desrt | ya | 12:25 |
| desrt | quite a few items on the glib todo list | 12:25 |
| seb128 | yeah, you comforted me in my idea of "stay on stable" ;-) | 12:25 |
| desrt | seb128: :P | 12:25 |
| desrt | seb128: i already introduced two of the incompatible changes | 12:26 |
| pitti | hey desrt | 12:26 |
| bcurtiswx | desrt, do you use empathy? | 12:26 |
| desrt | seb128: no complaints yet except that gedit starts showing some g_critical() where it didn't -- and it was already failing valgrind before the changes, so i think it just makes an existing bug more visible | 12:26 |
| seb128 | bcurtiswx, well, I can run it if needed, I've it installed ... do you need testing? | 12:26 |
| desrt | bcurtiswx: using it right now | 12:26 |
| desrt | pitti: hey! | 12:26 |
| desrt | pitti: i was looking for you :) | 12:27 |
| bcurtiswx | sure you both can (bcurtiswx on gtalk) , my notifications do not work in the notification area for new messages | 12:27 |
| desrt | pitti: i need you to rewrite class initialisation in pygobject :) | 12:27 |
| bcurtiswx | can you confirm? | 12:27 |
| * pitti runs away very fast | 12:27 | |
| desrt | pitti: seriously though.... | 12:28 |
| bcurtiswx | pitti, inspired by Felix Baumgartner ? | 12:28 |
| desrt | pitti: what do you think is the scariest single file in all of GNOME right now? | 12:28 |
| pitti | bcurtiswx: ... horizontally | 12:28 |
| bcurtiswx | ;) | 12:28 |
| pitti | desrt: err, no idea off the top of my head -- but if you are alluding to that, some files in pygobject are certainly hot candidates | 12:29 |
| desrt | pitti: i had gtype.c in mind | 12:29 |
| desrt | pitti: i'm interested in making some 'changes' there... the way pygobject does class initialisation prevents me from making those changes | 12:29 |
| desrt | we could easily have that file half the size and 1/4 as complicated | 12:30 |
| larsu | desrt, which adds an extra 33% complexity per line? | 12:30 |
| pitti | desrt: I'm not really an expert in the pygobject code yet either, but if there's something to change in particular there, I'm happy to sit down for a day and learn about it | 12:30 |
| didrocks | desrt: you are a good seller :) | 12:30 |
| desrt | pitti: long story short: everyone on earth does gobjects this way: | 12:31 |
| desrt | from their get_type() function inside of the g_once_enter() they call _register() and then _add_interface() | 12:31 |
| desrt | then in their class_init() they call a bunch of property installs | 12:31 |
| seb128 | bcurtiswx, "notifications do not work in the notification area for new messages" ... is that gnome-shell? | 12:31 |
| desrt | pygobject calls _register() and then calls _class_ref() on that to get the class structure | 12:31 |
| desrt | then installs one round of interfaces | 12:32 |
| desrt | then installs the properties | 12:32 |
| seb128 | bcurtiswx, or what do you call "notification area for new messages"? | 12:32 |
| desrt | then installs the rest of the interfaces | 12:32 |
| desrt | the two rounds of interfaces thing is explained in the source with a comment saying "this is probably a bug we should have filed against glib..." but in fact is just because they're doing it the wrong way entirely :p | 12:32 |
| bcurtiswx | seb128, i can never remember what the white envelope is called, but in there. It does not turn blue for new empathy chat messages | 12:32 |
| seb128 | bcurtiswx, the messaging menu? | 12:32 |
| bcurtiswx | seb128, yes, thank you | 12:33 |
| seb128 | bcurtiswx, when did the issue start? | 12:33 |
| bcurtiswx | around friday last week | 12:33 |
| seb128 | bcurtiswx, it would be a telepathy-indicator issue, can you ping Ken about it when he gets online? | 12:33 |
| seb128 | bcurtiswx, you could try to downgrade telepathy-indicator as well | 12:33 |
| bcurtiswx | seb128, OK, i'll try both. Thanks | 12:34 |
| pitti | desrt: ok, I'm afraid I don't follow from that short description; perhaps you can file a bug with some details, and then I'll get back to you ASAP when I looked at that part intensely? | 12:34 |
| desrt | pitti: deal | 12:34 |
| desrt | pitti: we should also talk at UDS :) | 12:34 |
| pitti | no doubt | 12:34 |
| pitti | desrt: that, and beer | 12:34 |
| desrt | pitti: i just filed https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=686149 with a fairly decent explanation with a code pointer | 12:47 |
| ubot2 | Gnome bug 686149 in general "fix class initialisation" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 12:47 |
| pitti | desrt: cheers | 12:48 |
| desrt | pitti: cheers for the work, if you can figure out how to do it :) | 12:48 |
| pitti | desrt: I think I can find some time over this week | 12:48 |
| desrt | pitti: there may be some reason that i don't know that they elected to do it this way.... | 12:48 |
| pitti | I'm still working on the gvfs tests to finish that thing | 12:48 |
| desrt | like somehow having stuff in a class_init() would have made their lives difficult | 12:49 |
| pitti | desrt: I can certainly find J5 on IRC at some point and pick his brain | 12:49 |
| desrt | pitti: if it ends up being impossible for you to do that we could discuss alternatives -- maybe i could loosen some of the warnings in glib in order to allow you to still add all interfaces before calling g_type_class_ref() | 12:49 |
| bcurtiswx | seb128, i can confirm the older telepathy-indicator 0.3.0-0ubuntu1 works and the -0ubuntu2 does not | 12:51 |
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| jcastro_ | didrocks: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1280650/ | 13:03 |
| jcastro_ | didrocks: some guys have been working on the reset stuff | 13:03 |
| didrocks | jcastro_: sweet! on a call, will look afterwards :) | 13:03 |
| jcastro_ | cool | 13:03 |
| didrocks | jcastro_: after a first quick review, it would be better to use the python gobject gsettings binding rather than calling subprocess if possible | 13:05 |
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| didrocks | (also not having the list hard-coded by detecting which schemes are installed on the system or gsettings will fail) | 13:05 |
| bcurtiswx | morning kenvandine | 13:08 |
| kenvandine | howdy | 13:08 |
| bcurtiswx | kenvandine, the telepathy-indicator 0.3.0-0ubuntu2 upgrade borked the messaging menu turning blue on new empathy messages. | 13:09 |
| bcurtiswx | kenvandine, i confirmed it works OK with -0ubuntu1 but not -0ubuntu2 | 13:09 |
| bcurtiswx | kenvandine, nothing shows from empathy in the messaging menu from empathy | 13:13 |
| cyphermox | how's everyone doing on this fine morning? :) | 13:14 |
| bcurtiswx | off to work, bbs | 13:14 |
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| kenvandine | bcurtiswx, hummm | 13:24 |
| pitti | hey cyphermox, good morning | 13:27 |
| cyphermox | hey pitti | 13:27 |
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| seb128 | mterry, hey | 13:44 |
| seb128 | mterry, how are you? how busy are you today? ;-) | 13:44 |
| seb128 | mterry, or: is there any chance you could look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/1053862 | 13:44 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1053862 in nautilus "nautilus crashed with SIGSEGV in g_list_foreach()" [High,Confirmed] | 13:44 |
| mterry | seb128, I can look at it, yeah | 13:45 |
| om26er | cyphermox, Hey! | 13:45 |
| om26er | cyphermox, can you please take a look at bug bug 965895 | 13:45 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 965895 in network-manager-applet "After boot, NetworkManager indicator menu only shows four entries" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/965895 | 13:45 |
| seb128 | mterry, thanks, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/1054737 might be the same one | 13:46 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1054737 in nautilus "nautilus crashed with SIGSEGV in gtk_widget_destroy()" [Medium,Confirmed] | 13:46 |
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| cyphermox | om26er: I was looking at it before, I have a few ideas but it will need testing outside of proposed to see if it helps -- I can't reproduce it myself | 13:59 |
| cyphermox | om26er: can you reproduce this easily? | 13:59 |
| om26er | cyphermox, yeah, it happens quite reliably on one slow machine that I have | 14:00 |
| cyphermox | ok | 14:00 |
| cyphermox | so I'll write up a patch and put it in a ppa for you to try ;) | 14:00 |
| om26er | sure | 14:00 |
| cyphermox | om26er: just to be sure, quantal right? | 14:01 |
| cyphermox | because AFAIK this happens on precise too | 14:01 |
| om26er | cyphermox, both, quantal and precise | 14:01 |
| cyphermox | om26er: which one are you running? | 14:01 |
| om26er | cyphermox, i have both installed, atm its running quantal | 14:01 |
| cyphermox | oh ok | 14:01 |
| cyphermox | well I got a copy of the quantal branch already, so I'll do this one first | 14:02 |
| bcurtiswx | back :) | 14:03 |
| tsdgeos | So in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+3.0/+bug/1064992 i discovered what seems to be a bug in gtk+3 and created a simple patch at https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=686152 What's the workflow from there? Wait until gtk patch is upstream and then distro patch? distro patch anyway? never distro patch and simply wait for next gtk release? | 14:09 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1064992 in gtk+3.0 "Unity menubar crashes when activating a submenu in LibreOffice while using Orca screen reader" [Undecided,In progress] | 14:09 |
| seb128 | tsdgeos, not strict rule, but we like to have an happy upstream review before backporting fixes | 14:10 |
| tsdgeos | makes sense :-) | 14:11 |
| seb128 | tsdgeos, we do apply patches before they are reviewed though when we judge them important enoughs or when we are confident in the change | 14:11 |
| didrocks | tsdgeos: I think you can ping API on this one I guess | 14:11 |
| tsdgeos | didrocks: no such nick around says /whois | 14:13 |
| didrocks | tsdgeos: yeah, he seems to not be around. he's normally on gimp.net and freenode | 14:13 |
| tsdgeos | let me check gimpnet | 14:14 |
| tsdgeos | nope | 14:14 |
| didrocks | tsdgeos: no, he's really not around, maybe try later (he's in argentina? not sure) | 14:16 |
| tsdgeos | maybe :-) | 14:16 |
| kenvandine | bcurtiswx, can you file a bug for that? | 14:18 |
| kenvandine | i think i have a fix | 14:18 |
| bcurtiswx | kenvandine, sure if you need any info from my Quantal install at home I can get that later today | 14:19 |
| kenvandine | bcurtiswx, it works fine for guest and for new users on first run | 14:19 |
| kenvandine | but it doesn't work after that :) | 14:19 |
| kenvandine | bcurtiswx, i am pretty sure i have a fix | 14:20 |
| bcurtiswx | OK one sec | 14:20 |
| kenvandine | just need a bug report to reference :) | 14:20 |
| bcurtiswx | kenvandine, bug #1066901 | 14:23 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1066901 in telepathy-indicator "Messaging menu does not show new messages for empathy." [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1066901 | 14:23 |
| bcurtiswx | kenvandine, you're linking a branch with a dif lp # ? | 14:28 |
| kenvandine | bcurtiswx, what do you mean? | 14:30 |
| bcurtiswx | in the bug report i just made you linked a branch you made for a gwibber bug | 14:30 |
| kenvandine | oh | 14:31 |
| kenvandine | not really :) | 14:31 |
| kenvandine | i fixed it in the other branch | 14:31 |
| kenvandine | which was already linked | 14:31 |
| bcurtiswx | oh, ok | 14:31 |
| kenvandine | bcurtiswx, ok, fix uploaded to -proposed... now it is up to the SRU team :) | 14:39 |
| kenvandine | bcurtiswx, thanks! | 14:39 |
| bcurtiswx | kenvandine, no, thank you :) | 14:41 |
| bcurtiswx | kenvandine, so anyone using it on a live CD for 12.10 will be OK, and anyone upgrading will get the fix anyways, right? | 14:42 |
| kenvandine | yeah | 14:42 |
| bcurtiswx | great | 14:42 |
| kenvandine | once it goes through he SRU process | 14:42 |
| bcurtiswx | yup | 14:42 |
| kenvandine | i did most of my testing on that in a guest session | 14:43 |
| kenvandine | which is why i didn't catch that | 14:43 |
| kenvandine | whoops :) | 14:43 |
| bcurtiswx | :) | 14:43 |
| kenvandine | must land code earlier! | 14:43 |
| cyphermox | om26er: wanna try https://launchpad.net/~mathieu-tl/+archive/nm/+sourcepub/2717767/+listing-archive-extra ? | 14:46 |
| cyphermox | (once it's built) | 14:46 |
| om26er | cyphermox, yes, I will test and let you know | 14:47 |
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| Laney | davidcalle: Do you have a -photos SRU planned? | 15:46 |
| davidcalle | Laney, yes, I've just landed a new branch with a potential SRU fix, and there is your AccountsManager fix | 15:48 |
| Laney | davidcalle: great | 15:48 |
| Laney | It's #4 on e.u.c so I want to make sure it gets in :-) | 15:48 |
| Laney | same for -gdocs /me hunts for mardy | 15:48 |
| Laney | pfft, people who don't hang around in any #ubuntu-* channels with me suck :P | 15:51 |
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| afernandez | Hi Sweetshark | 16:54 |
| Sweetshark | tedg, afernandez: Hi all. A quick update on LibreOffice ... | 17:00 |
| Sweetshark | afernandez seems to have fixed bug 1064962, but there are still issues with opening writer from the startcenter, right? | 17:02 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1064962 in indicator-appmenu "Global menubar items do not work when opening a document directly from nautilus with no LibreOffice instance running" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1064962 | 17:02 |
| afernandez | Sweetshark, yes | 17:02 |
| afernandez | Sweetshark, I am working on it right now | 17:03 |
| Sweetshark | afernandez hopes to fix the remaining issue. I would hope to target this not for a 0day SRU but for ~1 week in. There is still the issue with helping bamf by setting the current app as a window property and I will be at the LO conference this week. | 17:04 |
| Sweetshark | tedg: does that sound sensible to you? | 17:04 |
| tedg | Sweetshark, We're working on fixing it on the other side as well. | 17:05 |
| tedg | It's a race condition that can't be completely solved on the LO side. | 17:05 |
| Sweetshark | tedg: k. | 17:06 |
| tedg | Sweetshark, The BAMF branch is "demo" state and I'm going to use that in indicator-appmenu this afternoon. | 17:06 |
| tedg | That being said, making it better on the LO side is good too. | 17:07 |
| afernandez | Sweetshark, tedg there is also some issues updating the HUD. There is a new feature called HUD awareness protocol implemented by Ryan Lortie that should help to fix that | 17:07 |
| tedg | Cool. | 17:08 |
| afernandez | Sweetshark, tedg I have a branch with some code to work with it, but currently the implementation is not working for us. I have sent an email to Ryan explaining the issue and I hope it could be fixed soon | 17:08 |
| tedg | desrt, are you on it? ^ | 17:08 |
| tedg | I've got a mnemonics branch as well, but it's not working. I need to figure out why it's not getting the keys. | 17:08 |
| tedg | It does the alt-highlighting thought really nicely :-) | 17:08 |
| tedg | though | 17:09 |
| afernandez | tedg, happy to hear that :) | 17:09 |
| Sweetshark | tedg, afernandez: so, I will target a SRU 7day in and if time allows will try to ppa the intermediate state in 1-2 days -- if time allows. | 17:12 |
| afernandez | Sweetshark, yes, I have found the issue which prevented the menu to work | 17:13 |
| afernandez | Sweetshark, problem is that test crashes came back again :( | 17:13 |
| afernandez | Sweetshark, I think that the crasher bug is still there... | 17:14 |
| Sweetshark | afernandez: not good | 17:24 |
| afernandez | Sweetshark, no, not at all... | 17:26 |
| Sweetshark | afernandez: ok, lets see how it works out with latest fixes in a few days. | 17:31 |
| afernandez | ok | 17:31 |
| Sweetshark | afernandez, tedg: Anything else, or should we adjourn? | 17:31 |
| davmor2 | kenvandine: hey dude so https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/1020959 looks like the issue might be out fault, apparently they use the icon input-dialpad from gnome-icon-theme the only reference I see to it as as an svg scalable but then it is called input-dialpad-symbolic.svg | 17:31 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1020959 in empathy "Empathy call is missing an icon for dialpad/side panel" [Low,Triaged] | 17:31 |
| davmor2 | s/out/our | 17:32 |
| afernandez | Sweetshark, nothing else to say from my side :) | 17:33 |
| tedg | I'm good as well | 17:36 |
| Sweetshark | afernandez, tedg: k, thanks guys ;) | 17:36 |
| kenvandine | davmor2, ah | 17:39 |
| kenvandine | davmor2, the icon is in gnome-icon-theme-full | 17:40 |
| bcurtiswx | seb128, the GNOME plan would differ from now in that we wouldn't touch any GNOME files until they were in the stable status ? where as now we grab unstable and keep updating ? | 17:57 |
| seb128 | bcurtiswx, right | 17:58 |
| seb128 | we would follow 3.6 next cycle | 17:58 |
| seb128 | rather than packaging every 3.7 and ship with 3.8 | 17:58 |
| seb128 | lot less work and time to deal properly with changes and bugs in 3.6 | 17:58 |
| bcurtiswx | seb128, so if there's fixes in GNOME unstable for stable releases that GNOME doesn't feel like putting in their stable releases, we'll require a lot more backporting, right? | 18:00 |
| jbicha_ | GNOME doesn't really support their stable releases anyway, their last 3.6 release is 3.6.2 scheduled for next month | 18:02 |
| jbicha_ | that really sounds like 7 weeks of suupport to me :( | 18:03 |
| cyphermox | om26er: looking any better? | 18:04 |
| om26er | cyphermox, i got sidetracked, downloaded the debs now.. gotta reboot and test a few times | 18:06 |
| cyphermox | ok :P | 18:07 |
| cyphermox | oops | 18:07 |
| om26er | cyphermox, the fix is working fine for me | 18:14 |
| cyphermox | hmm, cool | 18:15 |
| cyphermox | that still brings me to really wonder what the hell might be causing the code that is there to not trigger | 18:15 |
| om26er | cyphermox, after a couple of reboots i cannot reproduce the issue and it was happening quite easily before installing those debs | 18:15 |
| cyphermox | but this kind of forces the menu to be updated after at most 30 seconds | 18:15 |
| om26er | wont that eat CPU a bit? | 18:15 |
| cyphermox | not more than the current state | 18:16 |
| cyphermox | well, a bit, but it's negligible on most systems | 18:16 |
| cyphermox | very few interfaces, a few connections, etc., two or three dbus calls to get the information | 18:16 |
| om26er | cyphermox, if you hand me a patch, I could work on the SRU for precise | 18:17 |
| om26er | and for quantal | 18:17 |
| cyphermox | ah, I can handle it no prob ;) | 18:18 |
| davmor2 | kenvandine: right so apparently empathy depends on that one icon for it's dialpad, so I don't know if we have our own equivalent I didn't see one with the quick look that I did, in the meantime I'll install gnome-icon-theme-full and see if that does indeed fix the issue | 18:18 |
| cyphermox | there's a few other patches I need to ship for precise and probably some for quantal too | 18:18 |
| cyphermox | I can definitely share the patch though: | 18:18 |
| cyphermox | om26er: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1281638/ | 18:18 |
| om26er | cyphermox, alright, cool :) | 18:19 |
| kenvandine | davmor2, we need to tweak the package so that icon lands in gnome-icon-theme instead of -ful | 18:27 |
| kenvandine | +l | 18:27 |
| davmor2 | kenvandine: confirmed installing gnome-icon-theme-full fixes the missing icon so I'll add that to the bug and modify the description appropriately | 18:34 |
| kenvandine | thx | 18:35 |
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| seb128 | bcurtiswx, yeah, backporting every single fix GNOME puts in is less work than dealing with unstable releases tracking though ;-) | 18:58 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, there is a file listing images that should be in g-i-t, it should be a matter of listing the icon there | 18:59 |
| kenvandine | yeah | 18:59 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, the replaces is always << current-version to deal nicely with such tweaks | 19:00 |
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| jcastro_ | hey kenvandine | 19:56 |
| kenvandine | yo | 19:56 |
| jcastro_ | some community people are trying to fix up "unity --reset" | 19:57 |
| jcastro_ | didrocks did the first review but he's gone, I was wonderign if you could have a look | 19:57 |
| jcastro_ | http://paste.ubuntu.com/1281827/ | 19:57 |
| jcastro_ | (I've asked them to push the code to launchpad instead of pastebin too | 19:57 |
| kenvandine | sorry... i don't know what compiz stuff unity touches | 19:57 |
| jcastro_ | ok | 19:57 |
| jcastro_ | is there anyone around that does? | 19:57 |
| kenvandine | seb128, ^^ | 19:58 |
| kenvandine | maybe | 19:58 |
| jcastro_ | I'll encourage them to post to the -desktop list | 20:00 |
| kenvandine | ok | 20:00 |
| phanimahesh | we want to help fix unity --reset, here's our first cut http://paste.ubuntu.com/1281827/ | 20:03 |
| phanimahesh | The revision history is saved on bitbucket at https://bitbucket.org/jpmahesh/unity-reset | 20:05 |
| jcastro_ | ok mail sent to the list | 20:15 |
| jcastro_ | phanimahesh: thanks for doing it, people with broken computers will love it. :) | 20:16 |
| bschaefer | jcastro_, or people who compile compiz :) | 20:16 |
| phanimahesh | I love contributing to Ubuntu. I should thank jokerdino and amith for pulling me into this. | 20:16 |
| phanimahesh | and you ofcourse, for that bounty I'm about to get. :D :P | 20:17 |
| seb128 | jcastro_, kenvandine: desktop list sounds good | 20:17 |
| jcastro_ | phanimahesh: next time we'll get you sorted on launchpad and stuff | 20:18 |
| phanimahesh | Sure. :) | 20:19 |
| DonM | Hi! I'm running Lucid and have a problem with Evolution Calendar. I double clicked on today's date in the small calendar pulldown from the tack bar -- and everything was deleted. I've got backups running and found old versions of calendar.ics but these do not restore anything. Is there some other file I should look for? | 20:24 |
| doomlord | can ubuntu-unity do a scale to show all windoows from all desktops | 20:34 |
| desrt | tedg: on what? | 20:51 |
| desrt | i'm pretty sure that race is not on our side... | 20:51 |
| desrt | although there is a slightly disturbing gmenumodel exporter bug that i'm trying to find at the moment... who knows... | 20:52 |
| tedg | desrt, He mentioned he'd asked some questions in an e-mail. I was more pinging so that you could confirm or deny :-) | 20:53 |
| tedg | Didn't want to to feel left out. | 20:53 |
| tedg | you to | 20:53 |
| desrt | tedg: btw... i noticed that you refactored the grab stuff a bit... | 20:53 |
| desrt | it worries me because i made it the way it was to deal with the expected behaviour under various exotic languages | 20:54 |
| tedg | desrt, A little bit. Mostly because I didn't have unichars. | 20:54 |
| tedg | desrt, I assumed (but didn't verify) that the GtkLabel code handled that case. | 20:54 |
| desrt | like i tried to make sure the behaviour was consistent with what gtk was already doing on (for example) hebrew | 20:54 |
| desrt | you can have multiple keyvals per unichar | 20:54 |
| tedg | desrt, I don't believe so. | 20:55 |
| desrt | from my research it was possible | 20:55 |
| tedg | desrt, The functions to translate are all 1:1 | 20:55 |
| desrt | like if you had a hebrew keyboard layout enabled but not active | 20:55 |
| desrt | and the label was in hebrew | 20:55 |
| desrt | that you could press alt+[latin character on the same key as the hebrew letter] | 20:55 |
| desrt | and it would work | 20:55 |
| desrt | hmm | 20:55 |
| tedg | desrt, I think that is keyval to keycode | 20:55 |
| desrt | i don't remember exactly. it was a long time ago :) | 20:55 |
| desrt | could well be | 20:55 |
| tedg | desrt, I didn't change that translation bit. | 20:56 |
| desrt | okay. good :) | 20:56 |
| jcastro_ | hey jbicha, how well tested is gnome-boxes? I can get it to run but not create images | 23:26 |
| jcastro_ | well test in ubuntu I mean | 23:26 |
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