[01:51] <veebers> Does anyone know if it's possible to add a ppa during the normal desktop installation (without using a preseed file)?
[04:38] <pitti> Bonjour
[04:38] <pitti> JoseeAntonioR: just ask, I'm reading backscroll :)
[04:39] <JoseeAntonioR> pitti: mind a quick pm? :)
[04:39] <pitti> as I said, just ask
[05:22] <didrocks> good morning
[05:24] <pitti> bonjour didrocks! as-tu eu un bon week-end?
[05:25] <didrocks> pitti: bon week-end, on a visité pas mal de salles pour le mariage, donc un peu fatigué :)
[05:25] <didrocks> et toi?
[05:26] <pitti> ooh, wedding preps!
[05:26] <didrocks> yep ;)
[05:27] <pitti> didrocks: il était calme; we went to the cinema ("Looper"), an hour into the woods for collecting mushroom, and to the Botanic garden
[05:27] <pitti> enjoying the nice autumn weather
[05:27] <didrocks> oh, seems to be a lovely weekend, indeed :)
[05:29] <pitti> didrocks: avez-vous trouver une bonne salle?
[05:30] <didrocks> pitti: oui, je pense qu'on en a trouvé une. Maintenant, il faut voir si on peut avoir un bon traiteur au même endroit + le curé pour le mariage :)
[05:30] <pitti> ok, I need babelfish for that one
[05:31] <pitti> didrocks: how much time do you have left?
[05:32] <didrocks> pitti: just a little bit less than a year ;)
[05:32] <pitti> ah, plenty of time
[05:34] <didrocks> indeed, but it seems that rooms are booked already, we have few free dates remaining :)
[06:14] <BigWhale> Good Morning everyone.
[06:16] <didrocks> hey BigWhale
[06:20] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[06:20] <BigWhale> hey didrocks, chrisccoulson :)
[06:20] <didrocks> morning chrisccoulson :)
[06:20] <chrisccoulson> hi BigWhale
[06:20] <chrisccoulson> hi didrocks, how are you?
[06:21] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: a little bit tired, but fine! thanks :) yourself?
[06:21] <pitti> hey chrisccoulson, how are you?
[06:21] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, yeah, pretty much the same. my daughter is starting to look a bit better this morning too :)
[06:21] <chrisccoulson> hey pitti, i'm good thanks. how are you?
[06:22] <didrocks> ah, great to hear for you daughter :)
[06:22] <didrocks> your*
[06:22] <pitti> chrisccoulson: quite fine, thanks! had a relaxing weekend
[06:22] <pitti> good to hear about your daughter
[06:22] <chrisccoulson> thanks :)
[06:41] <jibel> good morning
[06:44] <rickspencer3> hi jibel
[06:45] <didrocks> salut jibel, hey rickspencer3!
[06:45] <jibel> Hey rickspencer3!
[06:45] <jibel> bonjour didrocks
[06:45] <rickspencer3> bonjhour mes amis?
[06:46] <rickspencer3> 12.10, c'est bon?
[06:46] <didrocks> de mon côté, pas de catastrophe pour unity, good to roll! :-)
[06:47] <rickspencer3> le mot dans la rue?
[06:47] <rickspencer3> didrocks, tres bien
[06:47] <rickspencer3> j'ai boisson mettre les cles compose pour l'accents dans cet ordinateur :)
[06:48] <rickspencer3> didrocks, il y a plus des respins pour 12.10, ou, 12.10 est finis?
[06:48] <didrocks> rickspencer3: achète un clavier azerty! :)
[06:49] <didrocks> rickspencer3: je crois qu'il y a eu un respin ce week-end pour le boot efi. Je vois rien pour l'instant qui demanderait un autre respin :)
[06:49] <rickspencer3> chouette
[06:50] <jibel> rickspencer3, at least 1 respin planned to get a fix in apt and another fix for the "reinstall" functionality in ubiquity
[06:50] <rickspencer3> jibel, je ne connais pas "reinstall" :/
[06:51] <didrocks> jibel: c'est celui qui est dans -proposed?
[06:51] <jibel> didrocks, yes, found it yesterday, Colin fixed it yesterday evening
[06:51] <rickspencer3> aha
[06:51] <jibel> rickspencer3, ubiquity offers to reinstall the system when it finds an existing installation
[06:51] <rickspencer3> jibel, we should add tests for that today :)
[06:52] <jibel> rickspencer3, bug 1066347
[06:52] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1066347 in ubiquity ""Reinstall Ubuntu" failed - apt-clone crashes with: KeyError: "filename './etc/apt/sources.list' not found" line 1886 in getmember in tarfile.py" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1066347
[06:52] <jibel> rickspencer3, indeed :)
[06:58] <sbte> pitti, I just replied to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/emesene/+bug/1050358
[06:58] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1050358 in pygobject-2 "emesene crashed with SIGSEGV in tupledealloc.24592()" [High,Confirmed]
[06:59] <pitti> sbte: ah, thanks
[06:59] <pitti> hey rickspencer3, ça va?
[07:00] <rickspencer3> bonjour pitti! je vais bien, et tois?
[07:00] <rickspencer3> je suis a londre :)
[07:00] <rickspencer3> je suis a londres* ;)
[07:01]  * rickspencer3 sets up compose keys
[07:01] <pitti> rickspencer3: je vais très bien, merci! j'ai eu un week-end calme
[07:01] <pitti> we had marvellous sunny fall weather, so we went outside quite a lot
[07:02] <rickspencer3> choutte!
[07:02] <rickspencer3> samedi, j'ai courru acote la mer d'isle of man
[07:02] <rickspencer3> c'est telement jolli
[07:02] <pitti> rickspencer3: "choutte"?
[07:03] <didrocks> pitti: "chouette" I guess :)
[07:03] <jibel> pitti, "Chouette" = nice
[07:03] <rickspencer3> sorry
[07:03] <pitti> oh, google says that means "owl"
[07:03] <rickspencer3> è é ô, etc...
[07:04] <rickspencer3> pitti, la chouette = owl
[07:04] <rickspencer3> chouette = "cool"
[07:04] <rickspencer3> sans l'aritcle ;)
[07:04] <pitti> j'ai apprendre un nouveau mot ajourd'hui :)
[07:04] <rickspencer3> pitti, I think it was current slang in like 1975
[07:04] <didrocks> yeah, it's a little bit old-fashionned :)
[07:04] <rickspencer3> now they say "nikel"
[07:05] <pitti> rickspencer3: tu as un clef compose maintenant?
[07:05] <pitti> ☺ æ →
[07:05] <rickspencer3> pitti, oui, c'est vrais ;)
[07:06] <rickspencer3> mais, je ne puex pas épeller avec ou sans le clés compose ;)
[07:07] <pitti> oui, c'est très utile
[07:08] <pitti> translage.g.c ne sait pas "nikel"
[07:08] <rickspencer3> je pense il y a un systém pour la correction d'eppllage
[07:08] <rickspencer3> pitti, nickel?
[07:08] <rickspencer3> oui, c'est "nickel" desolé
[07:09] <pitti> rickspencer3: oui, mais c'est juste la pièce de monnaie
[07:09] <rickspencer3> pitti, the mysteries of slang :)
[07:09] <pitti> *tsk*
[07:09] <didrocks> pitti: non, c'est "niquel" le matériau
[07:09] <jibel> pitti, "chouette" comes from the old French verb "Choeter" which meant "to be handsome" and now means "it is a good news"
[07:09] <didrocks> https://www.google.com/search?q=niquel&hl=en&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=tLZ7UInrHZKZhQf58oDQCw&ved=0CDEQsAQ&biw=1920&bih=994
[07:09] <rickspencer3> aha!
[07:09] <didrocks> "nickel" is "cool"
[07:10] <pitti> didrocks: as if that wouldn't be any less weird
[07:10] <rickspencer3> j'ai ecouté "nickel platinum" aussi
[07:10] <didrocks> rickspencer3: ahah ;)
[07:10] <didrocks> pitti: TBH, I see more than 50% mispelling "niquel" for "nickel" :p
[07:10] <didrocks> (long discussions on #gnomefr :p)
[07:11] <rickspencer3> j'ai regardé tv le monde heir denier, mais, je n'ai pas comprix :(
[07:12] <rickspencer3> les françaises ... si vous ples ... parle plus lentment!
[07:12] <didrocks> tv5monde? je regarde peu la chaine, mais j'imagine que le débit de parole est rapide
[07:12] <didrocks> ahah, c'est dans toutes les langues "les américains, svp, plus lent!" ;)
[07:13] <mlankhorst> Lets all pretend we're french day?
[07:13] <mlankhorst> Je t'aime!
[07:14] <pitti> "Je suis un homme français"
[07:14] <didrocks> jibel: on a réussi, finalement \o/
[07:14] <pitti> ... et je l'aime!
[07:14]  * didrocks change le langpack par défaut et demande un respin de 13.10
[07:14] <didrocks> 12.10*
[07:14] <mlankhorst> Ah oui!
[07:14] <pitti> didrocks: wasn't that what seb128 announced 5 months ago already anyway?
[07:15] <didrocks> pitti: ouai, mais j'avais peur que ce "bug" ne soit pas corrigé :)
[07:15] <didrocks> ("bogue" en bon français)
[07:17] <pitti> ah ah
[07:17] <pitti> (see, I'm even imitating French laughter!)
[07:19] <mlankhorst> riri
[07:19] <didrocks> riri? :p
[07:19] <pitti> didrocks: FWIW, with all the CPU/battery/memory increase, it certainly doesn't help that unity grows more and more python daemons :(
[07:19] <pitti> didrocks: do you know if there's any plan to rewrite them in Vala? (and stop adding more Python daemons in the frist place)?
[07:20] <didrocks> pitti: I agree and we'll probably put the issue down on paper with PS
[07:20] <didrocks> pitti: I heard about Go…
[07:20] <pitti> well, anything which doesn't incur a 0.5 second start penalty even on fast machines
[07:20] <pitti> and a huge memory footprint
[07:20] <pitti> opening the dash the first time on my netbook is ridiculously slow, and it's even worse on arm
[07:24]  * mlankhorst tried
[07:37] <seb128> hey desktopers
[07:37] <didrocks> hey!
[07:38] <rickspencer3> bonjour seb128
[07:39] <seb128> rickspencer3, salut ! toujours à Londre ?
[07:39] <seb128> lut didrocks
[07:39] <rickspencer3> seb128, oui, je suis à Londres
[07:39] <rickspencer3> seb128, quel est la mot dans la rue apropos 12.10?
[07:41] <seb128> rickspencer3, ca a l'air ok pour l'instant
[07:41] <rickspencer3> l'air "ok" ?
[07:42] <rickspencer3> pas l'air niquel?
[07:44] <seb128> rickspencer3, disont qu'il y a quelques bugs que j'aurais préféré ne pas voir dans la release
[07:44] <seb128> rickspencer3, mais rien de suffisant pour stopper,retarder la release
[07:45] <chrisccoulson> good morning french people
[07:47] <seb128> chrisccoulson, good morning our uk friend, how is your rainy country today? ;-)
[07:48] <chrisccoulson> seb128, it's a bit miserable outside ;)
[07:48] <seb128> chrisccoulson, had a good W.E? Is your daughter better?
[07:48] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, she looks a bit better this morning. her face doesn't look as swollen today
[07:48] <rickspencer3> hi chrisccoulson :)
[07:48] <chrisccoulson> how are you?
[07:48] <chrisccoulson> hi rickspencer3 :)
[07:51] <pitti> salut seb128!
[07:54] <seb128> pitti, salut, ca va ? t'as passé un bon w.e ?
[07:55]  * bryceh waves in a frenchly manner
[07:55] <seb128> bryceh, hey, how are you? In London as well or just not sleeping on a sunday night? ;-)
[07:56]  * mlankhorst will go on his next flight with air france klm
[07:56] <didrocks> hey bryceh :)
[07:56] <bryceh> seb128, nah, just being a night owl
[07:57] <bryceh> "le couch-tard" apparently?
[07:57] <seb128> that's correct ;-)
[07:58] <bryceh> well that works in english too ;-)
[08:00] <Laney> haha
[08:00] <Laney> morning
[08:02] <seb128> Laney, hey, how are you?
[08:04] <pitti> seb128: oui, c'était jolie et calme; nous avons eu du beau temps
[08:04] <Laney> seb128: good thanks! good weekend?
[08:05] <pitti> seb128: "joli"
[08:05] <seb128> pitti, ici vent et pluie :-(
[08:05] <didrocks> ici ciel bleu :)
[08:05] <seb128> Laney, quite good thanks, spa on saturday, starcraft on sunday
[08:05] <pitti> seb128: comme c'est dommage
[08:05]  * Laney got the new x-com game
[08:05] <seb128> pitti, c'est l'automne
[08:05] <pitti> ah well, playing games is quite nice, too :)
[08:05] <seb128> Laney, unknown enemy? how is it?
[08:06] <seb128> I'm pondering buying it
[08:06] <seb128> I think RAOF plays it as well
[08:06] <Laney> yeah it's fun, definitely a lot in common with the original
[08:06] <seb128> I used to play the old xcom, it has been a while ... in the 90's
[08:06] <Laney> so if you liked those, get it
[08:07] <MCR1> Laney, seb128, RAOF: Shame on you ;) (just joking) - you should all try UFO:AI, which is open source: www.ufoai.org !
[08:07] <seb128> well, I played only one, it was a by turn strategic team battle
[08:07] <Laney> yeah, that's the same :-)
[08:08] <seb128> do you need a powerful video to play? I'm never sure if intel cards let you run modern games :p
[08:08] <pitti> I've been playing Wesnoth for quite a while
[08:08] <seb128> shame on me, I activated my win7 disk this W.E
[08:08] <MCR1> seb128: Yes, it is OpenGL.
[08:08] <pitti> I loved Battle Isle back then, but the DOS version is too clumsy now and I can't find my BI3 CD any more
[08:09] <seb128> I swapped my disk with a ssd one when I bought the laptop, I still have win on the old disk, I swapped it back ... works fine
[08:09] <MCR1> but UFO:AI really is great, so if you do not know it - please try
[08:09] <pitti> wesnoth is quite a lot of fun, too; just tends to be quite hard in the later campaigns
[08:09] <Laney> will do!
[08:09] <MCR1> imho it is the best open-source game out there
[08:09] <seb128> MCR1, thanks, will try
[08:09] <seb128> pitti, oh, battle isle, I played that as well
[08:09] <MCR1> (I contributed quite a bit to it)
[08:10] <pitti> seb128: I tried again in dosbox some weeks ago, but with today's monitors and mouse control expectancies it feels really clumsy
[08:13] <Laney> didrocks: PS freeze session> hah, thanks for that, was considering doing that
[08:14] <didrocks> Laney: yeah, I think the discussion is important (with design, the different distro teams and so on… ;))
[08:14] <Laney> gnome doesn't have a standing exception these days though btw
[08:15] <Laney> it's not usually necessary as we are aligned with them
[08:16] <bryceh> sadly only game I got to play this Sunday was catching-baby-climbing-over-couche-tard
[08:17] <didrocks> Laney: hum, really? I'm pretty sure we still do push it even with the GNOME freeze after ours
[08:17] <Laney> yeah
[08:17] <Laney> it came up last cycle IIRC
[08:17] <Laney> but we agreed it's not necessary
[08:20] <mvo> seb128: good morning - bug #1032953 looks a lot like a gvfs bug to me, afaics there is no code in update-notifier that triggers it, just running the mainloop there is enough to crash
[08:20] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1032953 in gvfs "update-notifier crashed with SIGSEGV in g_object_ref()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1032953
[08:20] <mvo> seb128: its #8 on errors
[08:22] <seb128> mvo, thanks, I will have a look
[08:28] <mvo> seb128: bug #1032925 looks a bit similar, also no real u-n code involved but library code, in this case dconf. maybe there is some generic memory corruption :/ or they are just two independent bugs
[08:28] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1032925 in update-notifier "update-notifier crashed with SIGSEGV in g_object_ref()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1032925
[08:28] <mvo> (nr #22 on errors)
[09:10] <sbte> pitti, will the segfault I sent you be fixed before 12.10?
[09:10] <pitti> sbte: no, release is Thursday and everything is deep frozen
[09:10] <pitti> this is perfectly SRUable
[09:10] <pitti> and we don't even have debugged it yet
[09:12] <sbte> pitti, ok, too bad. I hope it doesn't affect a lot of other applications
[09:18] <om26er> pitti, hey! before release of 12.10 will apport be disabled ? (or is it already?)
[09:19] <pitti> om26er: it is already
[09:19] <pitti> om26er: well, reporting crashes to Launchpad is
[09:19] <pitti> just as with precise, we keep reporting crashes to errors.u.c.
[09:20] <om26er> Ok
[09:30] <chrisccoulson> sigh https://launchpadlibrarian.net/119773304/buildlog_ubuntu-quantal-amd64.firefox-trunk_19.0~a1~hg20121014r110233-0ubuntu1~umd1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[09:30] <chrisccoulson> because of http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/a913c8c0de54 :(
[09:30] <chrisccoulson> fantastic start to the week!
[09:38] <ayan> seb128: i attached some debdiffs to lp780117 -- does that bug need anything else from me?
[09:39] <seb128> ayan, no, that looks fine, thanks
[11:45] <Laney> pitti: hey, just got pinged on #debian-gnome about the explicit upstart dep that dbus has. do you remember what it was for?
[11:45] <Laney> it's pre-lucid anyway so it seems we can drop it and rely on the upstart-job automatic dep now anyway
[11:53] <pitti> Laney: no idea about it, I'm afraid; that's still from Keybuk
[11:54] <Laney> old skool
[11:54] <pitti> didrocks: just watched BBT 4.03 over lunch -- that one is just awesome
[11:54] <pitti> didrocks: err, 6.03 of course
[12:00] <seb128> pitti, bbt?
[12:00] <seb128> oh
[12:00] <pitti> seb128: Big Bang Theory
[12:00] <seb128> yeah, just got it :p
[12:01] <seb128> I should buy the DVDs
[12:01] <pitti> sorry, OT
[12:07] <didrocks> pitti: so late! already done on Friday :)
[12:07] <pitti> didrocks: yeah, I didn't have time for a lunch break on Friday
[12:07] <didrocks> dinner time with Julie for me :) (she's more fan than I even am ;))
[12:08] <didrocks> so I would get killed if I watch it without her :p
[12:08] <pitti> hah
[12:09] <seb128> do you guys have the DVDs? or are they broadcasted on TV somewhere?
[12:09] <pitti> just watching from the interwebs
[12:10] <pitti> seb128: is season 6 on DVD even? it's the current season on TB
[12:10] <pitti> TV
[12:11] <didrocks> seb128: same here, I doubt the current season is on dvd :)
[12:11] <didrocks> but ECANTWAIT :)
[12:11] <pitti> same here :)
[12:19] <seb128> didrocks, pitti: ok, I'm probably less good at/wanting to find warez videos on the internet ;-)
[12:19] <seb128> but I'm lagging behind on bbt anyway, I could just buy the first seasons in DVDs
[12:24]  * desrt yawns
[12:24] <seb128> desrt, hey, how are you? had a good long W.E?
[12:24] <desrt> yup
[12:24] <desrt> dunno if you saw planet but i'm developing one hell of a next-cycle TODO list
[12:24] <bcurtiswx> seb128, do you use empathy?
[12:25] <seb128> bcurtiswx, not a lot, I use piding most of the time
[12:25] <seb128> desrt, the Boston glib/GTK plans?
[12:25] <desrt> ya
[12:25] <desrt> quite a few items on the glib todo list
[12:25] <seb128> yeah, you comforted me in my idea of "stay on stable" ;-)
[12:25] <desrt> seb128: :P
[12:26] <desrt> seb128: i already introduced two of the incompatible changes
[12:26] <pitti> hey desrt
[12:26] <bcurtiswx> desrt, do you use empathy?
[12:26] <desrt> seb128: no complaints yet except that gedit starts showing some g_critical() where it didn't -- and it was already failing valgrind before the changes, so i think it just makes an existing bug more visible
[12:26] <seb128> bcurtiswx, well, I can run it if needed, I've it installed ... do you need testing?
[12:26] <desrt> bcurtiswx: using it right now
[12:26] <desrt> pitti: hey!
[12:27] <desrt> pitti: i was looking for you :)
[12:27] <bcurtiswx> sure you both can (bcurtiswx on gtalk) , my notifications do not work in the notification area for new messages
[12:27] <desrt> pitti: i need you to rewrite class initialisation in pygobject :)
[12:27] <bcurtiswx> can you confirm?
[12:27]  * pitti runs away very fast
[12:28] <desrt> pitti: seriously though....
[12:28] <bcurtiswx> pitti, inspired by Felix Baumgartner ?
[12:28] <desrt> pitti: what do you think is the scariest single file in all of GNOME right now?
[12:28] <pitti> bcurtiswx: ... horizontally
[12:28] <bcurtiswx> ;)
[12:29] <pitti> desrt: err, no idea off the top of my head -- but if you are alluding to that, some files in pygobject are certainly hot candidates
[12:29] <desrt> pitti: i had gtype.c in mind
[12:29] <desrt> pitti: i'm interested in making some 'changes' there... the way pygobject does class initialisation prevents me from making those changes
[12:30] <desrt> we could easily have that file half the size and 1/4 as complicated
[12:30] <larsu> desrt, which adds an extra 33% complexity per line?
[12:30] <pitti> desrt: I'm not really an expert in the pygobject code yet either, but if there's something to change in particular there, I'm happy to sit down for a day and learn about it
[12:30] <didrocks> desrt: you are a good seller :)
[12:31] <desrt> pitti: long story short: everyone on earth does gobjects this way:
[12:31] <desrt> from their get_type() function inside of the g_once_enter() they call _register() and then _add_interface()
[12:31] <desrt> then in their class_init() they call a bunch of property installs
[12:31] <seb128> bcurtiswx, "notifications do not work in the notification area for new messages" ... is that gnome-shell?
[12:31] <desrt> pygobject calls _register() and then calls _class_ref() on that to get the class structure
[12:32] <desrt> then installs one round of interfaces
[12:32] <desrt> then installs the properties
[12:32] <seb128> bcurtiswx, or what do you call "notification area for new messages"?
[12:32] <desrt> then installs the rest of the interfaces
[12:32] <desrt> the two rounds of interfaces thing is explained in the source with a comment saying "this is probably a bug we should have filed against glib..." but in fact is just because they're doing it the wrong way entirely :p
[12:32] <bcurtiswx> seb128, i can never remember what the white envelope is called, but in there. It does not turn blue for new empathy chat messages
[12:32] <seb128> bcurtiswx, the messaging menu?
[12:33] <bcurtiswx> seb128, yes, thank you
[12:33] <seb128> bcurtiswx, when did the issue start?
[12:33] <bcurtiswx> around friday last week
[12:33] <seb128> bcurtiswx, it would be a telepathy-indicator issue, can you ping Ken about it when he gets online?
[12:33] <seb128> bcurtiswx, you could try to downgrade telepathy-indicator as well
[12:34] <bcurtiswx> seb128, OK, i'll try both. Thanks
[12:34] <pitti> desrt: ok, I'm afraid I don't follow from that short description; perhaps you can file a bug with some details, and then I'll get back to you ASAP when I looked at that part intensely?
[12:34] <desrt> pitti: deal
[12:34] <desrt> pitti: we should also talk at UDS :)
[12:34] <pitti> no doubt
[12:34] <pitti> desrt: that, and beer
[12:47] <desrt> pitti: i just filed https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=686149 with a fairly decent explanation with a code pointer
[12:47] <ubot2> Gnome bug 686149 in general "fix class initialisation" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[12:48] <pitti> desrt: cheers
[12:48] <desrt> pitti: cheers for the work, if you can figure out how to do it :)
[12:48] <pitti> desrt: I think I can find some time over this week
[12:48] <desrt> pitti: there may be some reason that i don't know that they elected to do it this way....
[12:48] <pitti> I'm still working on the gvfs tests to finish that thing
[12:49] <desrt> like somehow having stuff in a class_init() would have made their lives difficult
[12:49] <pitti> desrt: I can certainly find J5 on IRC at some point and pick his brain
[12:49] <desrt> pitti: if it ends up being impossible for you to do that we could discuss alternatives -- maybe i could loosen some of the warnings in glib in order to allow you to still add all interfaces before calling g_type_class_ref()
[12:51] <bcurtiswx> seb128, i can confirm the older telepathy-indicator 0.3.0-0ubuntu1 works and the -0ubuntu2 does not
[13:03] <jcastro_> didrocks: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1280650/
[13:03] <jcastro_> didrocks: some guys have been working on the reset stuff
[13:03] <didrocks> jcastro_: sweet! on a call, will look afterwards :)
[13:03] <jcastro_> cool
[13:05] <didrocks> jcastro_: after a first quick review, it would be better to use the python gobject gsettings binding rather than calling subprocess if possible
[13:05] <didrocks> (also not having the list hard-coded by detecting which schemes are installed on the system or gsettings will fail)
[13:08] <bcurtiswx> morning kenvandine
[13:08] <kenvandine> howdy
[13:09] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, the telepathy-indicator 0.3.0-0ubuntu2 upgrade borked the messaging menu turning blue on new empathy messages.
[13:09] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, i confirmed it works OK with -0ubuntu1 but not -0ubuntu2
[13:13] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, nothing shows from empathy in the messaging menu from empathy
[13:14] <cyphermox> how's everyone doing on this fine morning? :)
[13:14] <bcurtiswx> off to work, bbs
[13:24] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx, hummm
[13:27] <pitti> hey cyphermox, good morning
[13:27] <cyphermox> hey pitti
[13:44] <seb128> mterry, hey
[13:44] <seb128> mterry, how are you? how busy are you today? ;-)
[13:44] <seb128> mterry, or: is there any chance you could look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/1053862
[13:44] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1053862 in nautilus "nautilus crashed with SIGSEGV in g_list_foreach()" [High,Confirmed]
[13:45] <mterry> seb128, I can look at it, yeah
[13:45] <om26er> cyphermox, Hey!
[13:45] <om26er> cyphermox, can you please take a look at bug bug 965895
[13:45] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 965895 in network-manager-applet "After boot, NetworkManager indicator menu only shows four entries" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/965895
[13:46] <seb128> mterry, thanks, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/1054737 might be the same one
[13:46] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1054737 in nautilus "nautilus crashed with SIGSEGV in gtk_widget_destroy()" [Medium,Confirmed]
[13:59] <cyphermox> om26er: I was looking at it before, I have a few ideas but it will need testing outside of proposed to see if it helps -- I can't reproduce it myself
[13:59] <cyphermox> om26er: can you reproduce this easily?
[14:00] <om26er> cyphermox, yeah, it happens quite reliably on one slow machine that I have
[14:00] <cyphermox> ok
[14:00] <cyphermox> so I'll write up a patch and put it in a ppa for you to try ;)
[14:00] <om26er> sure
[14:01] <cyphermox> om26er: just to be sure, quantal right?
[14:01] <cyphermox> because AFAIK this happens on precise too
[14:01] <om26er> cyphermox, both, quantal and precise
[14:01] <cyphermox> om26er: which one are you running?
[14:01] <om26er> cyphermox, i have both installed, atm its running quantal
[14:01] <cyphermox> oh ok
[14:02] <cyphermox> well I got a copy of the quantal branch already, so I'll do this one first
[14:03] <bcurtiswx> back :)
[14:09] <tsdgeos> So in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+3.0/+bug/1064992 i discovered what seems to be a bug in gtk+3 and created a simple patch at https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=686152 What's the workflow from there? Wait until gtk patch is upstream and then distro patch? distro patch anyway? never distro patch and simply wait for next gtk release?
[14:09] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1064992 in gtk+3.0 "Unity menubar crashes when activating a submenu in LibreOffice while using Orca screen reader" [Undecided,In progress]
[14:10] <seb128> tsdgeos, not strict rule, but we like to have an happy upstream review before backporting fixes
[14:11] <tsdgeos> makes sense :-)
[14:11] <seb128> tsdgeos, we do apply patches before they are reviewed though when we judge them important enoughs or when we are confident in the change
[14:11] <didrocks> tsdgeos: I think you can ping API on this one I guess
[14:13] <tsdgeos> didrocks: no such nick around says /whois
[14:13] <didrocks> tsdgeos: yeah, he seems to not be around. he's normally on gimp.net and freenode
[14:14] <tsdgeos> let me check gimpnet
[14:14] <tsdgeos> nope
[14:16] <didrocks> tsdgeos: no, he's really not around, maybe try later (he's in argentina? not sure)
[14:16] <tsdgeos> maybe :-)
[14:18] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx, can you file a bug for that?
[14:18] <kenvandine> i think i have a fix
[14:19] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, sure if you need any info from my Quantal install at home I can get that later today
[14:19] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx, it works fine for guest and for new users on first run
[14:19] <kenvandine> but it doesn't work after that :)
[14:20] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx, i am pretty sure i have a fix
[14:20] <bcurtiswx> OK one sec
[14:20] <kenvandine> just need a bug report to reference :)
[14:23] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, bug #1066901
[14:23] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1066901 in telepathy-indicator "Messaging menu does not show new messages for empathy." [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1066901
[14:28] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, you're linking a branch with a dif lp # ?
[14:30] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx, what do you mean?
[14:30] <bcurtiswx> in the bug report i just made you linked a branch you made for a gwibber bug
[14:31] <kenvandine> oh
[14:31] <kenvandine> not really :)
[14:31] <kenvandine> i fixed it in the other branch
[14:31] <kenvandine> which was already linked
[14:31] <bcurtiswx> oh, ok
[14:39] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx, ok, fix uploaded to -proposed... now it is up to the SRU team :)
[14:39] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx, thanks!
[14:41] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, no, thank you :)
[14:42] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, so anyone using it on a live CD for 12.10 will be OK, and anyone upgrading will get the fix anyways, right?
[14:42] <kenvandine> yeah
[14:42] <bcurtiswx> great
[14:42] <kenvandine> once it goes through he SRU process
[14:42] <bcurtiswx> yup
[14:43] <kenvandine> i did most of my testing on that in a guest session
[14:43] <kenvandine> which is why i didn't catch that
[14:43] <kenvandine> whoops :)
[14:43] <bcurtiswx> :)
[14:43] <kenvandine> must land code earlier!
[14:46] <cyphermox> om26er: wanna try https://launchpad.net/~mathieu-tl/+archive/nm/+sourcepub/2717767/+listing-archive-extra ?
[14:46] <cyphermox> (once it's built)
[14:47] <om26er> cyphermox, yes, I will test and let you know
[15:46] <Laney> davidcalle: Do you have a -photos SRU planned?
[15:48] <davidcalle> Laney, yes, I've just landed a new branch with a potential SRU fix, and there is your AccountsManager fix
[15:48] <Laney> davidcalle: great
[15:48] <Laney> It's #4 on e.u.c so I want to make sure it gets in :-)
[15:48] <Laney> same for -gdocs /me hunts for mardy
[15:51] <Laney> pfft, people who don't hang around in any #ubuntu-* channels with me suck :P
[16:54] <afernandez> Hi Sweetshark
[17:00] <Sweetshark> tedg, afernandez: Hi all. A quick update on LibreOffice ...
[17:02] <Sweetshark> afernandez seems to have fixed bug 1064962, but there are still issues with opening writer from the startcenter, right?
[17:02] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1064962 in indicator-appmenu "Global menubar items do not work when opening a document directly from nautilus with no LibreOffice instance running" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1064962
[17:02] <afernandez> Sweetshark, yes
[17:03] <afernandez> Sweetshark, I am working on it right now
[17:04] <Sweetshark> afernandez hopes to fix the remaining issue. I would hope to target this not for a 0day SRU but for ~1 week in. There is still the issue with helping bamf by setting the current app as a window property and I will be at the LO conference this week.
[17:04] <Sweetshark> tedg: does that sound sensible to you?
[17:05] <tedg> Sweetshark, We're working on fixing it on the other side as well.
[17:05] <tedg> It's a race condition that can't be completely solved on the LO side.
[17:06] <Sweetshark> tedg: k.
[17:06] <tedg> Sweetshark, The BAMF branch is "demo" state and I'm going to use that in indicator-appmenu this afternoon.
[17:07] <tedg> That being said, making it better on the LO side is good too.
[17:07] <afernandez> Sweetshark, tedg there is also some issues updating the HUD. There is a new feature called HUD awareness protocol implemented by Ryan Lortie that should help to fix that
[17:08] <tedg> Cool.
[17:08] <afernandez> Sweetshark, tedg I have a branch with some code to work with it, but currently the implementation is not working for us. I have sent an email to Ryan explaining the issue and I hope it could be fixed soon
[17:08] <tedg> desrt, are you on it? ^
[17:08] <tedg> I've got a mnemonics branch as well, but it's not working.  I need to figure out why it's not getting the keys.
[17:08] <tedg> It does the alt-highlighting thought really nicely :-)
[17:09] <tedg> though
[17:09] <afernandez> tedg, happy to hear that :)
[17:12] <Sweetshark> tedg, afernandez: so, I will target a SRU 7day in and if time allows will try to ppa the intermediate state in 1-2 days -- if time allows.
[17:13] <afernandez> Sweetshark, yes, I have found the issue which prevented the menu to work
[17:13] <afernandez> Sweetshark, problem is that test crashes came back again :(
[17:14] <afernandez> Sweetshark, I think that the crasher bug is still there...
[17:24] <Sweetshark> afernandez: not good
[17:26] <afernandez> Sweetshark, no, not at all...
[17:31] <Sweetshark> afernandez: ok, lets see how it works out with latest fixes in a few days.
[17:31] <afernandez> ok
[17:31] <Sweetshark> afernandez, tedg: Anything else, or should we adjourn?
[17:31] <davmor2> kenvandine: hey dude so https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/1020959 looks like the issue might be out fault,  apparently they use the icon input-dialpad from gnome-icon-theme the only reference I see to it as as an svg scalable but then it is called input-dialpad-symbolic.svg
[17:31] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1020959 in empathy "Empathy call is missing an icon for dialpad/side panel" [Low,Triaged]
[17:32] <davmor2> s/out/our
[17:33] <afernandez> Sweetshark, nothing else to say from my side :)
[17:36] <tedg> I'm good as well
[17:36] <Sweetshark> afernandez, tedg: k, thanks guys ;)
[17:39] <kenvandine> davmor2, ah
[17:40] <kenvandine> davmor2, the icon is in gnome-icon-theme-full
[17:57] <bcurtiswx> seb128, the GNOME plan would differ from now in that we wouldn't touch any GNOME files until they were in the stable status ? where as now we grab unstable and keep updating ?
[17:58] <seb128> bcurtiswx, right
[17:58] <seb128> we would follow 3.6 next cycle
[17:58] <seb128> rather than packaging every 3.7 and ship with 3.8
[17:58] <seb128> lot less work and time to deal properly with changes and bugs in 3.6
[18:00] <bcurtiswx> seb128, so if there's fixes in GNOME unstable for stable releases that GNOME doesn't feel like putting in their stable releases, we'll require a lot more backporting, right?
[18:02] <jbicha_> GNOME doesn't really support their stable releases anyway, their last 3.6 release is 3.6.2 scheduled for next month
[18:03] <jbicha_> that really sounds like 7 weeks of suupport to me :(
[18:04] <cyphermox> om26er: looking any better?
[18:06] <om26er> cyphermox, i got sidetracked, downloaded the debs now.. gotta reboot and test a few times
[18:07] <cyphermox> ok :P
[18:07] <cyphermox> oops
[18:14] <om26er> cyphermox, the fix is working fine for me
[18:15] <cyphermox> hmm, cool
[18:15] <cyphermox> that still brings me to really wonder what the hell might be causing the code that is there to not trigger
[18:15] <om26er> cyphermox, after a couple of reboots i cannot reproduce the issue and it was happening quite easily before installing those debs
[18:15] <cyphermox> but this kind of forces the menu to be updated after at most 30 seconds
[18:15] <om26er> wont that eat CPU a bit?
[18:16] <cyphermox> not more than the current state
[18:16] <cyphermox> well, a bit, but it's negligible on most systems
[18:16] <cyphermox> very few interfaces, a few connections, etc., two or three dbus calls to get the information
[18:17] <om26er> cyphermox, if you hand me a patch, I could work on the SRU for precise
[18:17] <om26er> and for quantal
[18:18] <cyphermox> ah, I can handle it no prob ;)
[18:18] <davmor2> kenvandine: right so apparently empathy depends on that one icon for it's dialpad, so I don't know if we have our own equivalent I didn't see one with the quick look that I did, in the meantime I'll install gnome-icon-theme-full and see if that does indeed fix the issue
[18:18] <cyphermox> there's a few other patches I need to ship for precise and probably some for quantal too
[18:18] <cyphermox> I can definitely share the patch though:
[18:18] <cyphermox> om26er: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1281638/
[18:19] <om26er> cyphermox, alright, cool :)
[18:27] <kenvandine> davmor2, we need to tweak the package so that icon lands in gnome-icon-theme instead of -ful
[18:27] <kenvandine> +l
[18:34] <davmor2> kenvandine: confirmed installing gnome-icon-theme-full fixes the missing icon so I'll add that to the bug and modify the description appropriately
[18:35] <kenvandine> thx
[18:58] <seb128> bcurtiswx, yeah, backporting every single fix GNOME puts in is less work than dealing with unstable releases tracking though ;-)
[18:59] <seb128> kenvandine, there is a file listing images that should be in g-i-t, it should be a matter of listing the icon there
[18:59] <kenvandine> yeah
[19:00] <seb128> kenvandine, the replaces is always << current-version to deal nicely with such tweaks
[19:56] <jcastro_> hey kenvandine
[19:56] <kenvandine> yo
[19:57] <jcastro_> some community people are trying to fix up "unity --reset"
[19:57] <jcastro_> didrocks did the first review but he's gone, I was wonderign if you could have a look
[19:57] <jcastro_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1281827/
[19:57] <jcastro_> (I've asked them to push the code to launchpad instead of pastebin too
[19:57] <kenvandine> sorry... i don't know what compiz stuff unity touches
[19:57] <jcastro_> ok
[19:57] <jcastro_> is there anyone around that does?
[19:58] <kenvandine> seb128, ^^
[19:58] <kenvandine> maybe
[20:00] <jcastro_> I'll encourage them to post to the -desktop list
[20:00] <kenvandine> ok
[20:03] <phanimahesh> we want to help fix unity --reset, here's our first cut  http://paste.ubuntu.com/1281827/
[20:05] <phanimahesh> The revision history is saved on bitbucket at https://bitbucket.org/jpmahesh/unity-reset
[20:15] <jcastro_> ok mail sent to the list
[20:16] <jcastro_> phanimahesh: thanks for doing it, people with broken computers will love it. :)
[20:16] <bschaefer> jcastro_, or people who compile compiz :)
[20:16] <phanimahesh> I love contributing to Ubuntu. I should thank jokerdino and amith for pulling me into this.
[20:17] <phanimahesh> and you ofcourse, for that bounty I'm about to get. :D :P
[20:17] <seb128> jcastro_, kenvandine: desktop list sounds good
[20:18] <jcastro_> phanimahesh: next time we'll get you sorted on launchpad and stuff
[20:19] <phanimahesh> Sure. :)
[20:24] <DonM>  Hi! I'm running Lucid and have a problem with Evolution Calendar. I double clicked on today's date in the small calendar pulldown from the tack bar -- and everything was deleted. I've got backups running and found old versions of calendar.ics but these do not restore anything. Is there some other file I should look for?
[20:34] <doomlord> can ubuntu-unity do a scale to show all windoows from all desktops
[20:51] <desrt> tedg: on what?
[20:51] <desrt> i'm pretty sure that race is not on our side...
[20:52] <desrt> although there is a slightly disturbing gmenumodel exporter bug that i'm trying to find at the moment... who knows...
[20:53] <tedg> desrt, He mentioned he'd asked some questions in an e-mail.  I was more pinging so that you could confirm or deny :-)
[20:53] <tedg> Didn't want to to feel left out.
[20:53] <tedg> you to
[20:53] <desrt> tedg: btw... i noticed that you refactored the grab stuff a bit...
[20:54] <desrt> it worries me because i made it the way it was to deal with the expected behaviour under various exotic languages
[20:54] <tedg> desrt, A little bit.  Mostly because I didn't have unichars.
[20:54] <tedg> desrt, I assumed (but didn't verify) that the GtkLabel code handled that case.
[20:54] <desrt> like i tried to make sure the behaviour was consistent with what gtk was already doing on (for example) hebrew
[20:54] <desrt> you can have multiple keyvals per unichar
[20:55] <tedg> desrt, I don't believe so.
[20:55] <desrt> from my research it was possible
[20:55] <tedg> desrt, The functions to translate are all 1:1
[20:55] <desrt> like if you had a hebrew keyboard layout enabled but not active
[20:55] <desrt> and the label was in hebrew
[20:55] <desrt> that you could press alt+[latin character on the same key as the hebrew letter]
[20:55] <desrt> and it would work
[20:55] <desrt> hmm
[20:55] <tedg> desrt, I think that is keyval to keycode
[20:55] <desrt> i don't remember exactly.  it was a long time ago :)
[20:55] <desrt> could well be
[20:56] <tedg> desrt, I didn't change that translation bit.
[20:56] <desrt> okay.  good :)
[23:26] <jcastro_> hey jbicha, how well tested is gnome-boxes? I can get it to run but not create images
[23:26] <jcastro_> well test in ubuntu I mean