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mdeslaurhello!18:01
tyhickshello18:01
jdstrandhi!18:01
jdstrand#startmeeting18:01
meetingologyMeeting started Mon Oct 15 18:01:53 2012 UTC.  The chair is jdstrand. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.18:01
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jdstrandThe meeting agenda can be found at:18:01
jdstrand[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting18:01
jdstrand[TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report18:02
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jdstrandI'll go first18:02
jdstrandI'm on community this week18:02
jdstrandI'll be doing some packaging work for dbx updates18:02
jdstrandI've got some more python updates coming18:02
jdstrandI've also got patch piloting to finish today18:03
jdstrandand finally install audits18:03
jdstrandmdeslaur: you're up18:03
mdeslaurI'm in the happy place this week18:03
mdeslaurI'm working on backporting the munin fixes, and learning how it works to write a test script18:03
mdeslaurthe munin fixes seem to break a few things, so I'm fixing the regressions too18:04
sbeattiemdeslaur: I use munin locally so I can help test.18:04
* jdstrand hugs mdeslaur 18:04
mdeslaurafter that, I'll pick something from the list18:04
mdeslaursbeattie: cool18:04
mdeslaurthat's pretty much it from me18:04
mdeslaursbeattie: you're up18:04
sbeattieI'm focusing again on apparmor this week18:04
sbeattieI need to finish up reviewing a couple of things on the mail list and bug reports18:05
sbeattieI'm planning on starting to look at xace and other display manager issues18:05
sbeattieI'll probably pick up a couple of other misc apparmor things this week as well18:06
jjohansensbeattie: kick /me for xace stuff when you get their18:06
sbeattiejjohansen: okay, thanks18:06
jjohansens/their/there18:06
sbeattiethat's pretty much it for me; micahg, you're up18:07
jdstrandmicah had a last minute errand, so he isn't here18:07
jdstrandI'll report for him18:07
jdstrandthe webkit backport for 11.10 had some technical hurdles that pushed it back and we need to do an archive grep to make sure the update doesn't break things18:08
jdstrandmicahg will be working on how to tell me how to get him the info he needs for the ABI change18:09
jdstrandthen based on the grep, get the final oneiric packaging uploaded along with any rdeps that need patching/rebuilds18:09
jdstrandthis work will make it so the packaging will be the same on 12.04 and earlier aiui, so that will greatly speed-up updates in the future18:10
jdstrand12.04 webkit testing will be performed and it copied to precise-proposed18:11
jdstrandand then iterating on 10.04 to get a preliminary build going18:11
jdstrandtyhicks: you're up18:11
tyhicksAs of today, my focus shifts to the apparmor dbus work18:12
tyhicksI've started reviewing the notes provided by jj and will sync up with him as I have questions18:12
tyhicksAny spare cycles that I have will be spent on a couple eCryptfs bugs but nothing too urgent18:13
tyhicksThat's it for me18:13
tyhicksjjohansen: You're up18:13
jjohansenI need to fix a new locking issue I introduced when doing the proper fix for bug#1056078. I need to kick some display manager confinement stuff over to sbeattie, some more dbus stuff over to tyhicks and then I am going to get the env filtering beta up for people to experiement with18:14
smileE17Maaz I am Geoffrey De Belie18:14
jjohansenjdstrand: on the env side their won't be any setting/pinning any time soon18:14
smileE17Maaz: I hate you18:14
mdeslaurparty crasher18:16
mdeslaurjjohansen: back to you18:16
jjohansenheh I think I am done, sarnold over to you18:17
sarnoldI'm on triage this week; I replaced my suspect ssd with one that I hope will provide me with reliable builds. we'll see. I've got qt4-x11 and perl to do this week, and if the builds are repeatable, qt4-x11 at least looks doable. :)18:18
sarnoldjdstrand: back to you18:18
mdeslaursarnold: what do you mean by "looks doable"?18:18
sarnoldmdeslaur: the fix is incredibly simple, shouldn't have much impact on anything else. if I can get repeatable builds, it's unlikely to cause regressions for anything, and I'll probably be able to get an update out.18:19
mdeslaurok, I see. good.18:19
sarnoldmdeslaur: there's multiple perl problems, and I've not yet investigated them; I feel that it is unlikely I'll get that out this week. we'll see.18:20
mdeslaursarnold: yeah, some of those a "low" and don't necessarily have obvious upstream fixes...let me know if you can find some of them18:20
sarnoldmdeslaur: thanks18:20
mdeslaurs/a/are/18:20
mdeslaurs/can/can't/18:20
mdeslaurme write cannot monday do18:20
sarnoldhehee18:21
jdstrand[TOPIC] Highlighted packages18:21
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jdstrandThe Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.18:21
jdstrandSee https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.18:21
jdstrandhttp://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/tcptrack.html18:21
jdstrandhttp://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/pan.html18:21
jdstrandhttp://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/boost1.42.html18:21
jdstrandhttp://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/php-openid.html18:21
jdstrandhttp://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/tryton-server.html18:21
jdstrand[TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions18:22
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jdstrandDoes anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?18:22
jdstrand#endmeeting18:24
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meetingologyMeeting ended Mon Oct 15 18:24:34 2012 UTC.18:24
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jdstrandmdeslaur, sbeattie, tyhicks, jjohansen, sarnold: thanks!18:24
sarnoldthanks :)18:24
sbeattiejdstrand: thanks!18:24
tyhicksthanks!18:24
jjohansenthanks jdstrand18:25
mdeslaurthanks jdstrand18:25
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bdrung!dmb-ping18:54
ubottubdrung, cody-somerville, Laney, micahg, barry, tumbleweed, stgraber: DMB ping18:54
tumbleweedo/18:59
Laneyhey19:00
LaneyI can be here, but I'd rather be excused if possible (if we otherwise have quorum)19:01
Dude-manthe hardware seems to behave strange leds just blnk on and off, which it does a few times normal on startup... but now just does continuasly19:02
TheLordOfTimeDude-man, #ubuntu for support btw19:03
Dude-manit works fine on ubuntu...19:03
TheLordOfTime!support19:04
ubottuThe official ubuntu support channel is #ubuntu. Also see http://ubuntu.com/support and http://ubuntuforums.org and http://askubuntu.com19:04
Dude-manTheLordOfTime, sorry don't understand... no problem in ubuntu... just solus... but the pulse I'm guessing is more updated that even the debian repos19:05
TheLordOfTimeDude-man, ah, well i assumed that you were asking support questions :P19:05
bdrungcody-somerville, micahg, stgraber: where are you?19:06
cody-somervilleI'm here.19:06
cody-somerville:)19:06
bdrungwe are quorable19:07
tumbleweedmicahg said he may turn up late19:07
Dude-manOh Sorry I had the wrong forum irc channel selected... meant to ask in solusos, my mistake19:08
tumbleweedbdrung: will you chair? You are next in rotation after stgraber19:09
TheLordOfTime:)19:09
bdrungtumbleweed: yes if no-one else volunteer19:10
bdrung#startmeeting19:10
meetingologyMeeting started Mon Oct 15 19:10:36 2012 UTC.  The chair is bdrung. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.19:10
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bdrung#meetingtopic DMB meeting19:11
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bdrung#topic Review of previous action items19:11
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bdrungmicahg to document the zentyal packageset19:12
tumbleweeddoesn't appear to have happened yet: http://people.canonical.com/~stgraber/package_sets/quantal/zentyal19:12
bdrunglaney to delete network-manager packageset19:12
bdrung#subtopic laney to delete network-manager packageset19:13
tumbleweedthat was deleted todya19:13
bdrungokay19:14
bdrung#subtopic laney to contact menesis about schooltool packageset19:14
Laneyseems used19:14
Laneythere was an upload to that stuff recently19:14
bdrungso we keep that package set19:14
bdrung#subtopic netbook/unr/mobile packagesets19:15
bdrungthese packagesets still appear on http://people.canonical.com/~stgraber/package_sets/quantal/19:16
* micahg waves19:16
tumbleweedyeah, they still exist19:16
bdrungwho took this action item?19:17
Laneywe have to ask the tb to deal with it19:18
Laneyor did we?19:18
tumbleweedI thought we did19:18
Laneywell, someone there has to delete them19:19
Laneycan we action our TB friend? :-)19:19
bdrungwe will give him the action item unless he objects. ;)19:20
bdrung#subtopic stefanor to create a UDS session19:21
Laneyerr, stgraber19:21
Laneyoh, sorry, thought that was you giving the action19:21
tumbleweeddone19:21
bdrungLaney: yes, i was referring to stgraber19:21
Laneyyou didn't #action19:21
bdrung#action stgraber to delete netbook/unr/mobile packagesets19:22
meetingologyACTION: stgraber to delete netbook/unr/mobile packagesets19:22
bdrungnow back to the UDS session. tumbleweed, do we have a timeslot?19:23
tumbleweedbdrung: no. Is there anything I should request?19:23
bdrungtumbleweed: i think having the blueprint should be enough.19:25
bdrungdo you have the blueprint at hand?19:25
tumbleweedyes, it should be19:25
tumbleweedhttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-q-dmb-discussion19:25
bdrung#subtopic micahg to ask docs people if they want to apply for a packageset19:26
micahgbdrung: sorry, not yet, will try to do before UDS19:26
bdrung#topic PerPackageUploader Applications19:27
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bdrung#suptopic Luis Henriques' PerPackageUploader Application19:27
* henrix waves19:27
bdrunghenrix: can you introduce yourself?19:28
henrixbdrung: sure19:28
henrixHi!  So, my name's Luis Henriques and I've joined the Ubuntu kernel team early this year.19:28
henrixI've been working on the stable kernel team, focusing on preparing the kernels for the Ubuntu stable releases.19:28
henrixSince the SRU process has been one of my main activities within the team, I believe its now time for me to stop bugging my team for sponsoring my packages and get upload rights for the kernel packages.19:28
henrixand i guess that's pretty much if for an intro :)19:28
henrixs/if/it19:28
* ogasawara gives henrix a big +1 for kernel upload rights19:29
sconklin+1, I've sponsored a number of his packages19:29
bdrunghenrix: have you (as long time Linux user) any packaging experience before joining the kernel team?19:30
henrixbdrung: well, not much. i maintain a small debian pkg (a web browser named xxxterm)19:30
bjfi'm very happy with the work henrix has been doing, +119:30
henrixbdrung: don't blame me for the package name :)19:31
herton+1 from me as well, I think henrix is prepared, has been working on all latest SRU kernel packages19:31
bdrunghenrix: how involved are you in the community outside of the kernel team?19:33
henrixbdrung: currently i'm mainly involved with the kernel.19:34
henrixbdrung: i've been doing bug triagging, etc but pretty much on the kernel packages19:35
bdrunghas someone else questions?19:37
* tumbleweed doesn't19:37
bdrunghenrix: you wrote that you dislike the complexity of required interactions between different teams within Ubuntu. Does this apply to SRU process or other areas, too?19:38
bdrungs/apply to/only apply to the/19:39
henrixbdrung: well, i don't exactly "dislike", it was just a little bit difficult to put all the pieces together19:39
henrixbdrung: the information regarding all these different interactions is all in the wiki... somewhere :)19:40
henrixbdrung: that's what i'm referring to in my application form19:40
bdrungall information is in the wiki, but you do not know where to find them.19:40
henrixbdrung: i meant that initially i had to search for it, or bug someone on the team to point me to that info.19:41
bdrunghenrix: have you any ideas how reduce the complexity and/or show how these pieces fit together?19:41
henrixbdrung: well, i guess that's what the wiki is for -- maybe there are links missing between some of the pages/categories, but i don't see any easy solution19:42
bdrungare we ready to vote or are there questions?19:43
henrixbdrung: that's the typical information management problem: it all makes sense now that i know where to look19:43
* bdrung nods.19:44
bdrung#vote Should Luis Henriques become upload rights for the linux-* packages?19:46
meetingologyPlease vote on: Should Luis Henriques become upload rights for the linux-* packages?19:46
meetingologyPublic votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)19:46
bdrung+119:46
meetingology+1 received from bdrung19:46
tumbleweed+119:46
meetingology+1 received from tumbleweed19:46
micahg+119:46
meetingology+1 received from micahg19:46
Laney(~ubuntu-kernel-uploaders)19:46
Laney+119:46
meetingology+1 received from Laney19:46
cody-somerville+1 based on endorsements and upload history19:46
meetingology+1 based on endorsements and upload history received from cody-somerville19:46
bdrung#endvote19:48
meetingologyVoting ended on: Should Luis Henriques become upload rights for the linux-* packages?19:48
meetingologyVotes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:019:48
meetingologyMotion carried19:48
bdrunghenrix: congrats.19:48
henrixthanks!19:48
Laney:>19:48
bjfnice job henrix19:48
Laneygo forth and break^wfix things19:48
tumbleweed:)19:48
henrixheh, i'll try :)19:49
bdrungthe kernel team is doing good work. my last few kernel crashes were all caused by hardware problem (and not software problem).19:49
bdrung#subtopic Andreas Hasenack's PerPackageUploader Application19:50
ahasenackhello19:50
bdrungahasenack: hello. can you introduce yourself?19:50
ahasenackI'm Andreas Hasenack, I started working on the Landscape project in March 200819:50
ahasenackit has a client component called landscape-client, which is a package in Ubuntu main nowadays, and we do periodic releases19:51
ahasenackincluding SRUs, which I have been doing in the past few years19:51
Laneygot a lunk handy?19:51
Laneylink19:51
ahasenackhttps://landscape.canonical.com19:51
bdrung#link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AndreasHasenack/LandscapeClientPerPackageUploadApplication19:51
Laneynot that, to your application :P19:51
Laneythanks19:51
ahasenack:)19:51
ahasenacksorry :)19:51
bdrungLaney: sorry19:52
ahasenackSo for the past few SRUs the sponsors have asked me to apply for a per-package upload application for landscape-client19:52
ahasenackand here I am19:52
ahasenackoh, sorry, I failed to mention that my work in Landscape is QA19:53
Laneyhow come seb128 hasn't endorsed? :)19:54
Laney(common recent sponsor)19:54
mdzo/19:55
Laneyoh looked like he had sponsored more19:55
Laneynm19:55
ahasenackI don't remember now if I asked him19:55
Laneywe'll need to get out of the way of the TB, so let's speed up19:56
Laneyis there anything particular/tricky about the landscape packaging?19:56
ahasenackI think the fact that one source builds in many releases of ubuntu without changes19:57
ahasenackmeaning, we have some | in the depends line, and the rules file also tries to be smart about it19:57
ahasenackwe use substvars for that19:57
micahgahasenack: I assume the changelogs are preserved for in archive builds?19:57
ahasenackmicahg: yes, I take special note of the changelogs for each sru19:58
ahasenackfor each release19:58
ahasenackin the beginning I didn't, and that was flagged in the review19:58
bdrungahasenack: landscape-client 12.04-0ubuntu0.12.04.0 closes a big bunch of bugs with one changelog entry. wouldn't it be better to just close one bug and mark the other as duplicates of the first one?19:59
ahasenackbdrung: well, they weren't really duplicates20:00
ahasenackbdrung: we introduced a big new feature20:00
ahasenackbdrung: ideally, that would have been a blueprint20:00
micahgthey were all upstream bugs as well AFAICT...20:00
ahasenackbdrung: each bug basically mapped to a branch of code that slowly introduced the new feature20:00
bdrungaha, okay20:01
ahasenackbdrung: it was the way we found to not pollute the changelog too much, but still record all the bugs20:01
ahasenackotherwise it would be like a commit log20:01
bdrungahasenack: are there plans to bring the landscape client to other distributions like Debian?20:01
ahasenackbdrung: that's more of a business decision, not a technical one20:02
bdrung#vote Should Andreas Hasenack become upload rights for package landscape-client?20:03
ahasenackbdrung: out of my pay grade :)20:03
meetingologyPlease vote on: Should Andreas Hasenack become upload rights for package landscape-client?20:03
meetingologyPublic votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)20:03
tumbleweed+1 [ package is in fairly good shape and ahasenack has been looking after it for a long time ]20:04
meetingology+1 [ package is in fairly good shape and ahasenack has been looking after it for a long time ] received from tumbleweed20:04
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bdrung+120:06
meetingology+1 received from bdrung20:06
micahg+1, good history, takes criticism well20:07
meetingology+1, good history, takes criticism well received from micahg20:07
cody-somerville+120:08
meetingology+1 received from cody-somerville20:08
bdrung#endvote20:08
meetingologyVoting ended on: Should Andreas Hasenack become upload rights for package landscape-client?20:08
meetingologyVotes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:020:08
meetingologyMotion carried20:08
bdrungwe had one +1 from Laney via our private channel20:08
bdrungahasenack: congrats to your new upload rights.20:09
ahasenackbdrung: thanks20:09
ahasenackthank you all20:09
bdrung#topic Next chair.20:09
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tumbleweednext chair: stgraber [again]. next meeting: UDS20:09
bdrung#endmeeting20:09
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meetingologyMeeting ended Mon Oct 15 20:09:30 2012 UTC.20:09
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pittiok, time for TB then20:10
pittikees, mdz, soren, stgraber: c'est l'heure de réunion de TB20:10
mdzhere but multitasking today20:11
pittithere's really just one thing I'd like to talk about, but it seems we are rather short-staffed today20:12
pitticjwatson sent his apologies, and I didn't get a pong of stgraber and soren yet20:12
pittimdz, kees: do you happen to know about the last brainstorm review status? IIRC soren was conducting that?20:13
pittibut I guess at this point we can carry it over to the November one20:13
mdzno, AFAICT it has fallen on the floor20:13
pittithere's nothing on the ML, and nothing on the agenda20:13
pittimdz, kees: do you have any topics?20:13
mdzpitti, no20:14
keesnothing from me20:14
wendarI have ARB elections (not sure the message got through).20:14
pittiok, then I'll just update the agenda wrt. brainstorm review and next meeting20:14
wendarBut, it sounds like that'll be better handled in email anyway.20:14
pittiwendar: yes, I just replied; but that's still running?20:14
wendaryes, if you all are fine with confirming via email tomorrow, that'll be best20:15
pittiyes from my side20:15
wendarok, will do that, thanks!20:16
pittiok, then that's it I guess20:16
pittithanks!20:17
keeswooo20:17
pittitime for sleeping then20:17
pittinot sure about the next meeting, it'll be during UDS20:17
pittiI can't really chair then20:17
pittiwe'll figure it out20:18
pittigood night!20:18
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