[18:01] <mdeslaur> hello!
[18:01] <tyhicks> hello
[18:01] <jdstrand> hi!
[18:01] <jdstrand> #startmeeting
[18:01] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Oct 15 18:01:53 2012 UTC.  The chair is jdstrand. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[18:01] <jdstrand> The meeting agenda can be found at:
[18:01] <jdstrand> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting
[18:02] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report
[18:02] <jdstrand> I'll go first
[18:02] <jdstrand> I'm on community this week
[18:02] <jdstrand> I'll be doing some packaging work for dbx updates
[18:02] <jdstrand> I've got some more python updates coming
[18:03] <jdstrand> I've also got patch piloting to finish today
[18:03] <jdstrand> and finally install audits
[18:03] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: you're up
[18:03] <mdeslaur> I'm in the happy place this week
[18:03] <mdeslaur> I'm working on backporting the munin fixes, and learning how it works to write a test script
[18:04] <mdeslaur> the munin fixes seem to break a few things, so I'm fixing the regressions too
[18:04] <sbeattie> mdeslaur: I use munin locally so I can help test.
[18:04]  * jdstrand hugs mdeslaur 
[18:04] <mdeslaur> after that, I'll pick something from the list
[18:04] <mdeslaur> sbeattie: cool
[18:04] <mdeslaur> that's pretty much it from me
[18:04] <mdeslaur> sbeattie: you're up
[18:04] <sbeattie> I'm focusing again on apparmor this week
[18:05] <sbeattie> I need to finish up reviewing a couple of things on the mail list and bug reports
[18:05] <sbeattie> I'm planning on starting to look at xace and other display manager issues
[18:06] <sbeattie> I'll probably pick up a couple of other misc apparmor things this week as well
[18:06] <jjohansen> sbeattie: kick /me for xace stuff when you get their
[18:06] <sbeattie> jjohansen: okay, thanks
[18:06] <jjohansen> s/their/there
[18:07] <sbeattie> that's pretty much it for me; micahg, you're up
[18:07] <jdstrand> micah had a last minute errand, so he isn't here
[18:07] <jdstrand> I'll report for him
[18:08] <jdstrand> the webkit backport for 11.10 had some technical hurdles that pushed it back and we need to do an archive grep to make sure the update doesn't break things
[18:09] <jdstrand> micahg will be working on how to tell me how to get him the info he needs for the ABI change
[18:09] <jdstrand> then based on the grep, get the final oneiric packaging uploaded along with any rdeps that need patching/rebuilds
[18:10] <jdstrand> this work will make it so the packaging will be the same on 12.04 and earlier aiui, so that will greatly speed-up updates in the future
[18:11] <jdstrand> 12.04 webkit testing will be performed and it copied to precise-proposed
[18:11] <jdstrand> and then iterating on 10.04 to get a preliminary build going
[18:11] <jdstrand> tyhicks: you're up
[18:12] <tyhicks> As of today, my focus shifts to the apparmor dbus work
[18:12] <tyhicks> I've started reviewing the notes provided by jj and will sync up with him as I have questions
[18:13] <tyhicks> Any spare cycles that I have will be spent on a couple eCryptfs bugs but nothing too urgent
[18:13] <tyhicks> That's it for me
[18:13] <tyhicks> jjohansen: You're up
[18:14] <jjohansen> I need to fix a new locking issue I introduced when doing the proper fix for bug#1056078. I need to kick some display manager confinement stuff over to sbeattie, some more dbus stuff over to tyhicks and then I am going to get the env filtering beta up for people to experiement with
[18:14] <smileE17> Maaz I am Geoffrey De Belie
[18:14] <jjohansen> jdstrand: on the env side their won't be any setting/pinning any time soon
[18:14] <smileE17> Maaz: I hate you
[18:16] <mdeslaur> party crasher
[18:16] <mdeslaur> jjohansen: back to you
[18:17] <jjohansen> heh I think I am done, sarnold over to you
[18:18] <sarnold> I'm on triage this week; I replaced my suspect ssd with one that I hope will provide me with reliable builds. we'll see. I've got qt4-x11 and perl to do this week, and if the builds are repeatable, qt4-x11 at least looks doable. :)
[18:18] <sarnold> jdstrand: back to you
[18:18] <mdeslaur> sarnold: what do you mean by "looks doable"?
[18:19] <sarnold> mdeslaur: the fix is incredibly simple, shouldn't have much impact on anything else. if I can get repeatable builds, it's unlikely to cause regressions for anything, and I'll probably be able to get an update out.
[18:19] <mdeslaur> ok, I see. good.
[18:20] <sarnold> mdeslaur: there's multiple perl problems, and I've not yet investigated them; I feel that it is unlikely I'll get that out this week. we'll see.
[18:20] <mdeslaur> sarnold: yeah, some of those a "low" and don't necessarily have obvious upstream fixes...let me know if you can find some of them
[18:20] <sarnold> mdeslaur: thanks
[18:20] <mdeslaur> s/a/are/
[18:20] <mdeslaur> s/can/can't/
[18:20] <mdeslaur> me write cannot monday do
[18:21] <sarnold> hehee
[18:21] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Highlighted packages
[18:21] <jdstrand> The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.
[18:21] <jdstrand> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.
[18:21] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/tcptrack.html
[18:21] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/pan.html
[18:21] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/boost1.42.html
[18:21] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/php-openid.html
[18:21] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/tryton-server.html
[18:22] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions
[18:22] <jdstrand> Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?
[18:24] <jdstrand> #endmeeting
[18:24] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Oct 15 18:24:34 2012 UTC.
[18:24] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-10-15-18.01.moin.txt
[18:24] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-10-15-18.01.html
[18:24] <jdstrand> mdeslaur, sbeattie, tyhicks, jjohansen, sarnold: thanks!
[18:24] <sarnold> thanks :)
[18:24] <sbeattie> jdstrand: thanks!
[18:24] <tyhicks> thanks!
[18:25] <jjohansen> thanks jdstrand
[18:25] <mdeslaur> thanks jdstrand
[18:54] <bdrung> !dmb-ping
[18:59] <tumbleweed> o/
[19:00] <Laney> hey
[19:01] <Laney> I can be here, but I'd rather be excused if possible (if we otherwise have quorum)
[19:02] <Dude-man> the hardware seems to behave strange leds just blnk on and off, which it does a few times normal on startup... but now just does continuasly
[19:03] <TheLordOfTime> Dude-man, #ubuntu for support btw
[19:03] <Dude-man> it works fine on ubuntu...
[19:04] <TheLordOfTime> !support
[19:05] <Dude-man> TheLordOfTime, sorry don't understand... no problem in ubuntu... just solus... but the pulse I'm guessing is more updated that even the debian repos
[19:05] <TheLordOfTime> Dude-man, ah, well i assumed that you were asking support questions :P
[19:06] <bdrung> cody-somerville, micahg, stgraber: where are you?
[19:06] <cody-somerville> I'm here.
[19:06] <cody-somerville> :)
[19:07] <bdrung> we are quorable
[19:07] <tumbleweed> micahg said he may turn up late
[19:08] <Dude-man> Oh Sorry I had the wrong forum irc channel selected... meant to ask in solusos, my mistake
[19:09] <tumbleweed> bdrung: will you chair? You are next in rotation after stgraber
[19:09] <TheLordOfTime> :)
[19:10] <bdrung> tumbleweed: yes if no-one else volunteer
[19:10] <bdrung> #startmeeting
[19:10] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Oct 15 19:10:36 2012 UTC.  The chair is bdrung. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[19:11] <bdrung> #meetingtopic DMB meeting
[19:11] <bdrung> #topic Review of previous action items
[19:12] <bdrung> micahg to document the zentyal packageset
[19:12] <tumbleweed> doesn't appear to have happened yet: http://people.canonical.com/~stgraber/package_sets/quantal/zentyal
[19:12] <bdrung> laney to delete network-manager packageset
[19:13] <bdrung> #subtopic laney to delete network-manager packageset
[19:13] <tumbleweed> that was deleted todya
[19:14] <bdrung> okay
[19:14] <bdrung> #subtopic laney to contact menesis about schooltool packageset
[19:14] <Laney> seems used
[19:14] <Laney> there was an upload to that stuff recently
[19:14] <bdrung> so we keep that package set
[19:15] <bdrung> #subtopic netbook/unr/mobile packagesets
[19:16] <bdrung> these packagesets still appear on http://people.canonical.com/~stgraber/package_sets/quantal/
[19:16]  * micahg waves
[19:16] <tumbleweed> yeah, they still exist
[19:17] <bdrung> who took this action item?
[19:18] <Laney> we have to ask the tb to deal with it
[19:18] <Laney> or did we?
[19:18] <tumbleweed> I thought we did
[19:19] <Laney> well, someone there has to delete them
[19:19] <Laney> can we action our TB friend? :-)
[19:20] <bdrung> we will give him the action item unless he objects. ;)
[19:21] <bdrung> #subtopic stefanor to create a UDS session
[19:21] <Laney> err, stgraber
[19:21] <Laney> oh, sorry, thought that was you giving the action
[19:21] <tumbleweed> done
[19:21] <bdrung> Laney: yes, i was referring to stgraber
[19:21] <Laney> you didn't #action
[19:22] <bdrung> #action stgraber to delete netbook/unr/mobile packagesets
[19:22] <meetingology> ACTION: stgraber to delete netbook/unr/mobile packagesets
[19:23] <bdrung> now back to the UDS session. tumbleweed, do we have a timeslot?
[19:23] <tumbleweed> bdrung: no. Is there anything I should request?
[19:25] <bdrung> tumbleweed: i think having the blueprint should be enough.
[19:25] <bdrung> do you have the blueprint at hand?
[19:25] <tumbleweed> yes, it should be
[19:25] <tumbleweed> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-q-dmb-discussion
[19:26] <bdrung> #subtopic micahg to ask docs people if they want to apply for a packageset
[19:26] <micahg> bdrung: sorry, not yet, will try to do before UDS
[19:27] <bdrung> #topic PerPackageUploader Applications
[19:27] <bdrung> #suptopic Luis Henriques' PerPackageUploader Application
[19:27]  * henrix waves
[19:28] <bdrung> henrix: can you introduce yourself?
[19:28] <henrix> bdrung: sure
[19:28] <henrix> Hi!  So, my name's Luis Henriques and I've joined the Ubuntu kernel team early this year.
[19:28] <henrix> I've been working on the stable kernel team, focusing on preparing the kernels for the Ubuntu stable releases.
[19:28] <henrix> Since the SRU process has been one of my main activities within the team, I believe its now time for me to stop bugging my team for sponsoring my packages and get upload rights for the kernel packages.
[19:28] <henrix> and i guess that's pretty much if for an intro :)
[19:28] <henrix> s/if/it
[19:29]  * ogasawara gives henrix a big +1 for kernel upload rights
[19:29] <sconklin> +1, I've sponsored a number of his packages
[19:30] <bdrung> henrix: have you (as long time Linux user) any packaging experience before joining the kernel team?
[19:30] <henrix> bdrung: well, not much. i maintain a small debian pkg (a web browser named xxxterm)
[19:30] <bjf> i'm very happy with the work henrix has been doing, +1
[19:31] <henrix> bdrung: don't blame me for the package name :)
[19:31] <herton> +1 from me as well, I think henrix is prepared, has been working on all latest SRU kernel packages
[19:33] <bdrung> henrix: how involved are you in the community outside of the kernel team?
[19:34] <henrix> bdrung: currently i'm mainly involved with the kernel.
[19:35] <henrix> bdrung: i've been doing bug triagging, etc but pretty much on the kernel packages
[19:37] <bdrung> has someone else questions?
[19:37]  * tumbleweed doesn't
[19:38] <bdrung> henrix: you wrote that you dislike the complexity of required interactions between different teams within Ubuntu. Does this apply to SRU process or other areas, too?
[19:39] <bdrung> s/apply to/only apply to the/
[19:39] <henrix> bdrung: well, i don't exactly "dislike", it was just a little bit difficult to put all the pieces together
[19:40] <henrix> bdrung: the information regarding all these different interactions is all in the wiki... somewhere :)
[19:40] <henrix> bdrung: that's what i'm referring to in my application form
[19:40] <bdrung> all information is in the wiki, but you do not know where to find them.
[19:41] <henrix> bdrung: i meant that initially i had to search for it, or bug someone on the team to point me to that info.
[19:41] <bdrung> henrix: have you any ideas how reduce the complexity and/or show how these pieces fit together?
[19:42] <henrix> bdrung: well, i guess that's what the wiki is for -- maybe there are links missing between some of the pages/categories, but i don't see any easy solution
[19:43] <bdrung> are we ready to vote or are there questions?
[19:43] <henrix> bdrung: that's the typical information management problem: it all makes sense now that i know where to look
[19:44]  * bdrung nods.
[19:46] <bdrung> #vote Should Luis Henriques become upload rights for the linux-* packages?
[19:46] <meetingology> Please vote on: Should Luis Henriques become upload rights for the linux-* packages?
[19:46] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[19:46] <bdrung> +1
[19:46] <meetingology> +1 received from bdrung
[19:46] <tumbleweed> +1
[19:46] <meetingology> +1 received from tumbleweed
[19:46] <micahg> +1
[19:46] <meetingology> +1 received from micahg
[19:46] <Laney> (~ubuntu-kernel-uploaders)
[19:46] <Laney> +1
[19:46] <meetingology> +1 received from Laney
[19:46] <cody-somerville> +1 based on endorsements and upload history
[19:46] <meetingology> +1 based on endorsements and upload history received from cody-somerville
[19:48] <bdrung> #endvote
[19:48] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Should Luis Henriques become upload rights for the linux-* packages?
[19:48] <meetingology> Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[19:48] <meetingology> Motion carried
[19:48] <bdrung> henrix: congrats.
[19:48] <henrix> thanks!
[19:48] <Laney> :>
[19:48] <bjf> nice job henrix
[19:48] <Laney> go forth and break^wfix things
[19:48] <tumbleweed> :)
[19:49] <henrix> heh, i'll try :)
[19:49] <bdrung> the kernel team is doing good work. my last few kernel crashes were all caused by hardware problem (and not software problem).
[19:50] <bdrung> #subtopic Andreas Hasenack's PerPackageUploader Application
[19:50] <ahasenack> hello
[19:50] <bdrung> ahasenack: hello. can you introduce yourself?
[19:50] <ahasenack> I'm Andreas Hasenack, I started working on the Landscape project in March 2008
[19:51] <ahasenack> it has a client component called landscape-client, which is a package in Ubuntu main nowadays, and we do periodic releases
[19:51] <ahasenack> including SRUs, which I have been doing in the past few years
[19:51] <Laney> got a lunk handy?
[19:51] <Laney> link
[19:51] <ahasenack> https://landscape.canonical.com
[19:51] <bdrung> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AndreasHasenack/LandscapeClientPerPackageUploadApplication
[19:51] <Laney> not that, to your application :P
[19:51] <Laney> thanks
[19:51] <ahasenack> :)
[19:51] <ahasenack> sorry :)
[19:52] <bdrung> Laney: sorry
[19:52] <ahasenack> So for the past few SRUs the sponsors have asked me to apply for a per-package upload application for landscape-client
[19:52] <ahasenack> and here I am
[19:53] <ahasenack> oh, sorry, I failed to mention that my work in Landscape is QA
[19:54] <Laney> how come seb128 hasn't endorsed? :)
[19:54] <Laney> (common recent sponsor)
[19:55] <mdz> o/
[19:55] <Laney> oh looked like he had sponsored more
[19:55] <Laney> nm
[19:55] <ahasenack> I don't remember now if I asked him
[19:56] <Laney> we'll need to get out of the way of the TB, so let's speed up
[19:56] <Laney> is there anything particular/tricky about the landscape packaging?
[19:57] <ahasenack> I think the fact that one source builds in many releases of ubuntu without changes
[19:57] <ahasenack> meaning, we have some | in the depends line, and the rules file also tries to be smart about it
[19:57] <ahasenack> we use substvars for that
[19:57] <micahg> ahasenack: I assume the changelogs are preserved for in archive builds?
[19:58] <ahasenack> micahg: yes, I take special note of the changelogs for each sru
[19:58] <ahasenack> for each release
[19:58] <ahasenack> in the beginning I didn't, and that was flagged in the review
[19:59] <bdrung> ahasenack: landscape-client 12.04-0ubuntu0.12.04.0 closes a big bunch of bugs with one changelog entry. wouldn't it be better to just close one bug and mark the other as duplicates of the first one?
[20:00] <ahasenack> bdrung: well, they weren't really duplicates
[20:00] <ahasenack> bdrung: we introduced a big new feature
[20:00] <ahasenack> bdrung: ideally, that would have been a blueprint
[20:00] <micahg> they were all upstream bugs as well AFAICT...
[20:00] <ahasenack> bdrung: each bug basically mapped to a branch of code that slowly introduced the new feature
[20:01] <bdrung> aha, okay
[20:01] <ahasenack> bdrung: it was the way we found to not pollute the changelog too much, but still record all the bugs
[20:01] <ahasenack> otherwise it would be like a commit log
[20:01] <bdrung> ahasenack: are there plans to bring the landscape client to other distributions like Debian?
[20:02] <ahasenack> bdrung: that's more of a business decision, not a technical one
[20:03] <bdrung> #vote Should Andreas Hasenack become upload rights for package landscape-client?
[20:03] <ahasenack> bdrung: out of my pay grade :)
[20:03] <meetingology> Please vote on: Should Andreas Hasenack become upload rights for package landscape-client?
[20:03] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[20:04] <tumbleweed> +1 [ package is in fairly good shape and ahasenack has been looking after it for a long time ]
[20:04] <meetingology> +1 [ package is in fairly good shape and ahasenack has been looking after it for a long time ] received from tumbleweed
[20:06] <bdrung> +1
[20:06] <meetingology> +1 received from bdrung
[20:07] <micahg> +1, good history, takes criticism well
[20:07] <meetingology> +1, good history, takes criticism well received from micahg
[20:08] <cody-somerville> +1
[20:08] <meetingology> +1 received from cody-somerville
[20:08] <bdrung> #endvote
[20:08] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Should Andreas Hasenack become upload rights for package landscape-client?
[20:08] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[20:08] <meetingology> Motion carried
[20:08] <bdrung> we had one +1 from Laney via our private channel
[20:09] <bdrung> ahasenack: congrats to your new upload rights.
[20:09] <ahasenack> bdrung: thanks
[20:09] <ahasenack> thank you all
[20:09] <bdrung> #topic Next chair.
[20:09] <tumbleweed> next chair: stgraber [again]. next meeting: UDS
[20:09] <bdrung> #endmeeting
[20:09] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Oct 15 20:09:30 2012 UTC.
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[20:10] <pitti> ok, time for TB then
[20:10] <pitti> kees, mdz, soren, stgraber: c'est l'heure de réunion de TB
[20:11] <mdz> here but multitasking today
[20:12] <pitti> there's really just one thing I'd like to talk about, but it seems we are rather short-staffed today
[20:12] <pitti> cjwatson sent his apologies, and I didn't get a pong of stgraber and soren yet
[20:13] <pitti> mdz, kees: do you happen to know about the last brainstorm review status? IIRC soren was conducting that?
[20:13] <pitti> but I guess at this point we can carry it over to the November one
[20:13] <mdz> no, AFAICT it has fallen on the floor
[20:13] <pitti> there's nothing on the ML, and nothing on the agenda
[20:13] <pitti> mdz, kees: do you have any topics?
[20:14] <mdz> pitti, no
[20:14] <kees> nothing from me
[20:14] <wendar> I have ARB elections (not sure the message got through).
[20:14] <pitti> ok, then I'll just update the agenda wrt. brainstorm review and next meeting
[20:14] <wendar> But, it sounds like that'll be better handled in email anyway.
[20:14] <pitti> wendar: yes, I just replied; but that's still running?
[20:15] <wendar> yes, if you all are fine with confirming via email tomorrow, that'll be best
[20:15] <pitti> yes from my side
[20:16] <wendar> ok, will do that, thanks!
[20:16] <pitti> ok, then that's it I guess
[20:17] <pitti> thanks!
[20:17] <kees> wooo
[20:17] <pitti> time for sleeping then
[20:17] <pitti> not sure about the next meeting, it'll be during UDS
[20:17] <pitti> I can't really chair then
[20:18] <pitti> we'll figure it out
[20:18] <pitti> good night!
[23:28] <JoseeAntonioR> huats, itnet7: ping