=== henrix is now known as henrix_ === doko_ is now known as doko === balloons is now known as Guest98741 === mmrazik is now known as mmrazik|afk === mmrazik|afk is now known as mmrazik === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan === Guest98741 is now known as balloons === balloons is now known as Guest27823 === Guest27823 is now known as balloons_ === balloons_ is now known as balloons === yofel_ is now known as yofel [18:01] hello! [18:01] hello [18:01] hi! [18:01] #startmeeting [18:01] Meeting started Mon Oct 15 18:01:53 2012 UTC. The chair is jdstrand. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [18:01] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [18:01] The meeting agenda can be found at: [18:01] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting [18:02] [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Weekly stand-up report [18:02] I'll go first [18:02] I'm on community this week [18:02] I'll be doing some packaging work for dbx updates [18:02] I've got some more python updates coming [18:03] I've also got patch piloting to finish today [18:03] and finally install audits [18:03] mdeslaur: you're up [18:03] I'm in the happy place this week [18:03] I'm working on backporting the munin fixes, and learning how it works to write a test script [18:04] the munin fixes seem to break a few things, so I'm fixing the regressions too [18:04] mdeslaur: I use munin locally so I can help test. [18:04] * jdstrand hugs mdeslaur [18:04] after that, I'll pick something from the list [18:04] sbeattie: cool [18:04] that's pretty much it from me [18:04] sbeattie: you're up [18:04] I'm focusing again on apparmor this week [18:05] I need to finish up reviewing a couple of things on the mail list and bug reports [18:05] I'm planning on starting to look at xace and other display manager issues [18:06] I'll probably pick up a couple of other misc apparmor things this week as well [18:06] sbeattie: kick /me for xace stuff when you get their [18:06] jjohansen: okay, thanks [18:06] s/their/there [18:07] that's pretty much it for me; micahg, you're up [18:07] micah had a last minute errand, so he isn't here [18:07] I'll report for him [18:08] the webkit backport for 11.10 had some technical hurdles that pushed it back and we need to do an archive grep to make sure the update doesn't break things [18:09] micahg will be working on how to tell me how to get him the info he needs for the ABI change [18:09] then based on the grep, get the final oneiric packaging uploaded along with any rdeps that need patching/rebuilds [18:10] this work will make it so the packaging will be the same on 12.04 and earlier aiui, so that will greatly speed-up updates in the future [18:11] 12.04 webkit testing will be performed and it copied to precise-proposed [18:11] and then iterating on 10.04 to get a preliminary build going [18:11] tyhicks: you're up [18:12] As of today, my focus shifts to the apparmor dbus work [18:12] I've started reviewing the notes provided by jj and will sync up with him as I have questions [18:13] Any spare cycles that I have will be spent on a couple eCryptfs bugs but nothing too urgent [18:13] That's it for me [18:13] jjohansen: You're up [18:14] I need to fix a new locking issue I introduced when doing the proper fix for bug#1056078. I need to kick some display manager confinement stuff over to sbeattie, some more dbus stuff over to tyhicks and then I am going to get the env filtering beta up for people to experiement with [18:14] Maaz I am Geoffrey De Belie [18:14] jdstrand: on the env side their won't be any setting/pinning any time soon [18:14] Maaz: I hate you [18:16] party crasher [18:16] jjohansen: back to you [18:17] heh I think I am done, sarnold over to you [18:18] I'm on triage this week; I replaced my suspect ssd with one that I hope will provide me with reliable builds. we'll see. I've got qt4-x11 and perl to do this week, and if the builds are repeatable, qt4-x11 at least looks doable. :) [18:18] jdstrand: back to you [18:18] sarnold: what do you mean by "looks doable"? [18:19] mdeslaur: the fix is incredibly simple, shouldn't have much impact on anything else. if I can get repeatable builds, it's unlikely to cause regressions for anything, and I'll probably be able to get an update out. [18:19] ok, I see. good. [18:20] mdeslaur: there's multiple perl problems, and I've not yet investigated them; I feel that it is unlikely I'll get that out this week. we'll see. [18:20] sarnold: yeah, some of those a "low" and don't necessarily have obvious upstream fixes...let me know if you can find some of them [18:20] mdeslaur: thanks [18:20] s/a/are/ [18:20] s/can/can't/ [18:20] me write cannot monday do [18:21] hehee [18:21] [TOPIC] Highlighted packages === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Highlighted packages [18:21] The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so. [18:21] See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved. [18:21] http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/tcptrack.html [18:21] http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/pan.html [18:21] http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/boost1.42.html [18:21] http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/php-openid.html [18:21] http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/tryton-server.html [18:22] [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Miscellaneous and Questions [18:22] Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss? [18:24] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [18:24] Meeting ended Mon Oct 15 18:24:34 2012 UTC. [18:24] Minutes (wiki): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-10-15-18.01.moin.txt [18:24] Minutes (html): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-10-15-18.01.html [18:24] mdeslaur, sbeattie, tyhicks, jjohansen, sarnold: thanks! [18:24] thanks :) [18:24] jdstrand: thanks! [18:24] thanks! [18:25] thanks jdstrand [18:25] thanks jdstrand === Guest72485 is now known as dpb___ === bdrung_ is now known as bdrung [18:54] !dmb-ping [18:54] bdrung, cody-somerville, Laney, micahg, barry, tumbleweed, stgraber: DMB ping [18:59] o/ [19:00] hey [19:01] I can be here, but I'd rather be excused if possible (if we otherwise have quorum) [19:02] the hardware seems to behave strange leds just blnk on and off, which it does a few times normal on startup... but now just does continuasly [19:03] Dude-man, #ubuntu for support btw [19:03] it works fine on ubuntu... [19:04] !support [19:04] The official ubuntu support channel is #ubuntu. Also see http://ubuntu.com/support and http://ubuntuforums.org and http://askubuntu.com [19:05] TheLordOfTime, sorry don't understand... no problem in ubuntu... just solus... but the pulse I'm guessing is more updated that even the debian repos [19:05] Dude-man, ah, well i assumed that you were asking support questions :P [19:06] cody-somerville, micahg, stgraber: where are you? [19:06] I'm here. [19:06] :) [19:07] we are quorable [19:07] micahg said he may turn up late [19:08] Oh Sorry I had the wrong forum irc channel selected... meant to ask in solusos, my mistake [19:09] bdrung: will you chair? You are next in rotation after stgraber [19:09] :) [19:10] tumbleweed: yes if no-one else volunteer [19:10] #startmeeting [19:10] Meeting started Mon Oct 15 19:10:36 2012 UTC. The chair is bdrung. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [19:10] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [19:11] #meetingtopic DMB meeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | DMB meeting Meeting | Current topic: [19:11] #topic Review of previous action items === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | DMB meeting Meeting | Current topic: Review of previous action items [19:12] micahg to document the zentyal packageset [19:12] doesn't appear to have happened yet: http://people.canonical.com/~stgraber/package_sets/quantal/zentyal [19:12] laney to delete network-manager packageset [19:13] #subtopic laney to delete network-manager packageset [19:13] that was deleted todya [19:14] okay [19:14] #subtopic laney to contact menesis about schooltool packageset [19:14] seems used [19:14] there was an upload to that stuff recently [19:14] so we keep that package set [19:15] #subtopic netbook/unr/mobile packagesets [19:16] these packagesets still appear on http://people.canonical.com/~stgraber/package_sets/quantal/ [19:16] * micahg waves [19:16] yeah, they still exist [19:17] who took this action item? [19:18] we have to ask the tb to deal with it [19:18] or did we? [19:18] I thought we did [19:19] well, someone there has to delete them [19:19] can we action our TB friend? :-) [19:20] we will give him the action item unless he objects. ;) [19:21] #subtopic stefanor to create a UDS session [19:21] err, stgraber [19:21] oh, sorry, thought that was you giving the action [19:21] done [19:21] Laney: yes, i was referring to stgraber [19:21] you didn't #action [19:22] #action stgraber to delete netbook/unr/mobile packagesets [19:22] ACTION: stgraber to delete netbook/unr/mobile packagesets [19:23] now back to the UDS session. tumbleweed, do we have a timeslot? [19:23] bdrung: no. Is there anything I should request? [19:25] tumbleweed: i think having the blueprint should be enough. [19:25] do you have the blueprint at hand? [19:25] yes, it should be [19:25] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-q-dmb-discussion [19:26] #subtopic micahg to ask docs people if they want to apply for a packageset [19:26] bdrung: sorry, not yet, will try to do before UDS [19:27] #topic PerPackageUploader Applications === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | DMB meeting Meeting | Current topic: PerPackageUploader Applications [19:27] #suptopic Luis Henriques' PerPackageUploader Application [19:27] * henrix waves [19:28] henrix: can you introduce yourself? [19:28] bdrung: sure [19:28] Hi! So, my name's Luis Henriques and I've joined the Ubuntu kernel team early this year. [19:28] I've been working on the stable kernel team, focusing on preparing the kernels for the Ubuntu stable releases. [19:28] Since the SRU process has been one of my main activities within the team, I believe its now time for me to stop bugging my team for sponsoring my packages and get upload rights for the kernel packages. [19:28] and i guess that's pretty much if for an intro :) [19:28] s/if/it [19:29] * ogasawara gives henrix a big +1 for kernel upload rights [19:29] +1, I've sponsored a number of his packages [19:30] henrix: have you (as long time Linux user) any packaging experience before joining the kernel team? [19:30] bdrung: well, not much. i maintain a small debian pkg (a web browser named xxxterm) [19:30] i'm very happy with the work henrix has been doing, +1 [19:31] bdrung: don't blame me for the package name :) [19:31] +1 from me as well, I think henrix is prepared, has been working on all latest SRU kernel packages [19:33] henrix: how involved are you in the community outside of the kernel team? [19:34] bdrung: currently i'm mainly involved with the kernel. [19:35] bdrung: i've been doing bug triagging, etc but pretty much on the kernel packages [19:37] has someone else questions? [19:37] * tumbleweed doesn't [19:38] henrix: you wrote that you dislike the complexity of required interactions between different teams within Ubuntu. Does this apply to SRU process or other areas, too? [19:39] s/apply to/only apply to the/ [19:39] bdrung: well, i don't exactly "dislike", it was just a little bit difficult to put all the pieces together [19:40] bdrung: the information regarding all these different interactions is all in the wiki... somewhere :) [19:40] bdrung: that's what i'm referring to in my application form [19:40] all information is in the wiki, but you do not know where to find them. [19:41] bdrung: i meant that initially i had to search for it, or bug someone on the team to point me to that info. [19:41] henrix: have you any ideas how reduce the complexity and/or show how these pieces fit together? [19:42] bdrung: well, i guess that's what the wiki is for -- maybe there are links missing between some of the pages/categories, but i don't see any easy solution [19:43] are we ready to vote or are there questions? [19:43] bdrung: that's the typical information management problem: it all makes sense now that i know where to look [19:44] * bdrung nods. [19:46] #vote Should Luis Henriques become upload rights for the linux-* packages? [19:46] Please vote on: Should Luis Henriques become upload rights for the linux-* packages? [19:46] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) [19:46] +1 [19:46] +1 received from bdrung [19:46] +1 [19:46] +1 received from tumbleweed [19:46] +1 [19:46] +1 received from micahg [19:46] (~ubuntu-kernel-uploaders) [19:46] +1 [19:46] +1 received from Laney [19:46] +1 based on endorsements and upload history [19:46] +1 based on endorsements and upload history received from cody-somerville [19:48] #endvote [19:48] Voting ended on: Should Luis Henriques become upload rights for the linux-* packages? [19:48] Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 [19:48] Motion carried [19:48] henrix: congrats. [19:48] thanks! [19:48] :> [19:48] nice job henrix [19:48] go forth and break^wfix things [19:48] :) [19:49] heh, i'll try :) [19:49] the kernel team is doing good work. my last few kernel crashes were all caused by hardware problem (and not software problem). [19:50] #subtopic Andreas Hasenack's PerPackageUploader Application [19:50] hello [19:50] ahasenack: hello. can you introduce yourself? [19:50] I'm Andreas Hasenack, I started working on the Landscape project in March 2008 [19:51] it has a client component called landscape-client, which is a package in Ubuntu main nowadays, and we do periodic releases [19:51] including SRUs, which I have been doing in the past few years [19:51] got a lunk handy? [19:51] link [19:51] https://landscape.canonical.com [19:51] #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AndreasHasenack/LandscapeClientPerPackageUploadApplication [19:51] not that, to your application :P [19:51] thanks [19:51] :) [19:51] sorry :) [19:52] Laney: sorry [19:52] So for the past few SRUs the sponsors have asked me to apply for a per-package upload application for landscape-client [19:52] and here I am [19:53] oh, sorry, I failed to mention that my work in Landscape is QA [19:54] how come seb128 hasn't endorsed? :) [19:54] (common recent sponsor) [19:55] o/ [19:55] oh looked like he had sponsored more [19:55] nm [19:55] I don't remember now if I asked him [19:56] we'll need to get out of the way of the TB, so let's speed up [19:56] is there anything particular/tricky about the landscape packaging? [19:57] I think the fact that one source builds in many releases of ubuntu without changes [19:57] meaning, we have some | in the depends line, and the rules file also tries to be smart about it [19:57] we use substvars for that [19:57] ahasenack: I assume the changelogs are preserved for in archive builds? [19:58] micahg: yes, I take special note of the changelogs for each sru [19:58] for each release [19:58] in the beginning I didn't, and that was flagged in the review [19:59] ahasenack: landscape-client 12.04-0ubuntu0.12.04.0 closes a big bunch of bugs with one changelog entry. wouldn't it be better to just close one bug and mark the other as duplicates of the first one? [20:00] bdrung: well, they weren't really duplicates [20:00] bdrung: we introduced a big new feature [20:00] bdrung: ideally, that would have been a blueprint [20:00] they were all upstream bugs as well AFAICT... [20:00] bdrung: each bug basically mapped to a branch of code that slowly introduced the new feature [20:01] aha, okay [20:01] bdrung: it was the way we found to not pollute the changelog too much, but still record all the bugs [20:01] otherwise it would be like a commit log [20:01] ahasenack: are there plans to bring the landscape client to other distributions like Debian? [20:02] bdrung: that's more of a business decision, not a technical one [20:03] #vote Should Andreas Hasenack become upload rights for package landscape-client? [20:03] bdrung: out of my pay grade :) [20:03] Please vote on: Should Andreas Hasenack become upload rights for package landscape-client? [20:03] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) [20:04] +1 [ package is in fairly good shape and ahasenack has been looking after it for a long time ] [20:04] +1 [ package is in fairly good shape and ahasenack has been looking after it for a long time ] received from tumbleweed === ghostcube_ is now known as ghostcube [20:06] +1 [20:06] +1 received from bdrung [20:07] +1, good history, takes criticism well [20:07] +1, good history, takes criticism well received from micahg [20:08] +1 [20:08] +1 received from cody-somerville [20:08] #endvote [20:08] Voting ended on: Should Andreas Hasenack become upload rights for package landscape-client? [20:08] Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 [20:08] Motion carried [20:08] we had one +1 from Laney via our private channel [20:09] ahasenack: congrats to your new upload rights. [20:09] bdrung: thanks [20:09] thank you all [20:09] #topic Next chair. === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | DMB meeting Meeting | Current topic: Next chair. [20:09] next chair: stgraber [again]. next meeting: UDS [20:09] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [20:09] Meeting ended Mon Oct 15 20:09:30 2012 UTC. [20:09] Minutes (wiki): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-10-15-19.10.moin.txt [20:09] Minutes (html): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-10-15-19.10.html [20:10] ok, time for TB then [20:10] kees, mdz, soren, stgraber: c'est l'heure de réunion de TB [20:11] here but multitasking today [20:12] there's really just one thing I'd like to talk about, but it seems we are rather short-staffed today [20:12] cjwatson sent his apologies, and I didn't get a pong of stgraber and soren yet [20:13] mdz, kees: do you happen to know about the last brainstorm review status? IIRC soren was conducting that? [20:13] but I guess at this point we can carry it over to the November one [20:13] no, AFAICT it has fallen on the floor [20:13] there's nothing on the ML, and nothing on the agenda [20:13] mdz, kees: do you have any topics? [20:14] pitti, no [20:14] nothing from me [20:14] I have ARB elections (not sure the message got through). [20:14] ok, then I'll just update the agenda wrt. brainstorm review and next meeting [20:14] But, it sounds like that'll be better handled in email anyway. [20:14] wendar: yes, I just replied; but that's still running? [20:15] yes, if you all are fine with confirming via email tomorrow, that'll be best [20:15] yes from my side [20:16] ok, will do that, thanks! [20:16] ok, then that's it I guess [20:17] thanks! [20:17] wooo [20:17] time for sleeping then [20:17] not sure about the next meeting, it'll be during UDS [20:17] I can't really chair then [20:18] we'll figure it out [20:18] good night! === henrix is now known as henrix_ [23:28] huats, itnet7: ping