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ScottKDo the Lubuntu powerpc testers IRC?04:31
NoskcajScottK: yes05:24
silverarrowanyone up?05:36
silverarrowdo you have any mediaplayers in browser after last weeks updates?05:36
jmarsdenScottK: I have a Powerbook G4... and am on occasional Lubuntu powerbook tester...06:13
ScottKjmarsden: What I'm really looking for is a Kubuntu powerpc tester.06:13
ScottKWould you be able to take that for a bit of a spin?06:14
jmarsdenScottK: I can download an ISO and try a basic install, sure.  Anything in particular I am looking for?06:14
ScottK(I asked about Lubuntu because that's the only other desktop flavor with powerpc)06:14
ScottKjmarsden: As many of the test cases as you've got time for. http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/240/builds/25832/testcases06:15
ScottKEven the booting it as a live CD and doing a basic install would be a huge help.06:15
jmarsdenScottK: OK, it's 11:15PM here and I have work tomorrow, but I'll try at least one :)06:15
ScottKjmarsden: That's be great.  I understand it being late (I'm on the east coast, so I really need to go to bed)06:16
jmarsdenOK.  Download under way...06:17
ScottKExcellent.06:17
jmarsdenScottK: Um, that ISO seems to be oversized... I don't think I can boto a DVD on the old powerbook... ??06:18
ScottKAh.  That would be a problem (as it is oversized)06:19
ScottKI don't suppose it boots to usb either.06:19
jmarsdenI don't know, I have never tried that.06:19
ScottKI would have thought CD/DVD didn't matter if it could read DVDs, but I confess I didn't try it.06:19
dj_xenjmarsden: you have, what, a 12" aluminum powerbook?06:20
jmarsdendj_xen: Yes.06:20
dj_xenjmarsden: then you're fine booting from dvd. chances are usb will not play nice with you. openfirmware sucks.06:21
jmarsdenOK, I'll find a DVD-R and try it out that way.06:21
dj_xendvd+rw works too06:21
ScottKGood to know.  Thanks dj_xen.06:22
jmarsdenWhat I have to hand is about 100 CD-R blanks... I don't generally burn DVDs... but I think I have some somewhere :)06:22
dj_xenthere's a way to compress the iso06:23
dj_xenby removing the 64bit stuff06:23
dj_xenbut i've had bad luck with it06:23
jmarsdenwe're in luck... found a stack of 20+ DVD+R blanks under a pile of other things... :)06:25
dholbachgood morning06:34
jibelgood morning dholbach06:41
gangeshello.. against which package a bug relating to incomplete language support be filed?06:43
jibelganges, if it's a missing translation, file it against the project ubuntu-translations06:46
jibelif it's an untranslatable string, file it directly against the package06:47
dholbachsalut jibel06:48
gangesjibel: sorry, i was away. I have installed english version and a propmt said, incpmlete lang support. however the end result was 'couldn'07:06
ganges'couldn't install full lang support07:07
jmarsdenScottK: Booted from DVD fine, gets to splash screen (Kubuntu gear wheel with 5 dots underneath)... then seems to hang, optical drive spins down, alt-f1, ctrl-alt-f1 etc do not do anything, capslock key does toggle its LED.  Do you want me to file a bug and officially fail the QA test?07:08
jibelganges, ah ok, this bug has been fixed recently. With which image do you have this ?07:18
gangesdesktop, build 2012101407:18
gangesubuntu07:18
gangesjibel: http://imagebin.org/231994, an image if you want to have a look at07:20
jibelganges, hm, and a dbus error :/ language-selector would be the package then07:22
gangesjibel: thank you for your time and suggestion :)07:23
jibelyw07:24
gangesjibel: 'package language-selector doesn't exit' ! :(07:24
ganges*exist07:25
jibelganges, language-selector-gnome maybe07:26
gangesjibel: seems to work :)07:27
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ScottKjmarsden: Yes.  Please.11:57
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bladernr_Hey, anyone have ideas for troubleshooting the dl-ubuntu-test-iso script?  when I run it, it will zsync an ISO up to between 95 and 100%, then hang. It never completes an iso.  I can wget the ISOs manually, but rsync and zsync called from the dl-ubuntu-test-iso script always seem to hang.13:51
smartboyhwbladernr_, eh where is that script? Never heard of it13:51
bladernr_it's an older script, in ubuntu-qa-tools on LP13:52
bladernr_jibel: and some of the older members will know what it is.13:52
jibelsmartboyhw, https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bugcontrol/ubuntu-qa-tools/master13:53
bladernr_jibel: thanks, I was just trying to find that again :)13:54
jibelbladernr_, do you use the latest version, I don't think it's packaged anymore13:54
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balloons_bah, losing nick :-(13:58
smartboyhwballoons_, release it13:58
patdk-wkis there a new place I should report jeos installs too large bugs? cause my last bug hasn't even been looked at14:18
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balloonspatdk-wk, which bug/.14:20
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patdk-wk#101854214:20
smartboyhwBug 101854214:20
ubot5Launchpad bug 1018542 in debian-installer (Ubuntu) "JEOS install oversized" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/101854214:20
patdk-wkbeen out of country during the beta builds, so I missed them14:21
patdk-wkhmm, looks to all be the fault of apt14:23
patdk-wkif it wasn't for apt using up 190megs of diskspace, it would be under limit14:24
balloonsahh.. did a clean fix it?14:26
patdk-wkno, a clean won't clean enough14:26
patdk-wkstill 100megs too large14:27
patdk-wkfrom the apt pkg databases14:27
balloonspatdk-wk, so this is still happening on the rc images?14:37
balloonsif so, we should ping the server team about it now14:38
patdk-wkya, 630M for amd64, and 530M for i38614:38
smartboyhwWow....That IS a big diff14:38
patdk-wktesting iscsi now14:39
patdk-wkhmm, my iscsi boots still fail :(14:40
smartboyhw:(14:40
bladernr_jibel: yeah, I pulled the branch from LP just before I tried using it14:42
bladernr_jibel: when I manually zsync, I get this: bladernr@transit:/data/cdimages/dvd$ zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com//dvd/current/quantal-dvd-i386.iso14:43
bladernr_#################### 100.0% 852.7 kBps DONE14:43
bladernr_Bad line - not a zsync file? "3퐐����������������������������3��ռ"14:43
smartboyhw!?14:43
bladernr_wget, as I mentioned before, is successful.14:43
smartboyhwWhy is it showing a KOREAN letter?14:44
bladernr_oh... bother...14:44
patdk-wkit's not :)14:44
patdk-wkit's called utf8 with random binary14:44
bladernr_I thought zsync would, if in an empty dir, just pull the file.14:44
bladernr_maybe that's not the case... let me try again in a file that has an existing zsync file14:44
smartboyhwUh14:44
balloonspatdk-wk, so I was thinking jeos had some specific requirement.. but they relaxed image sizes this cycle14:45
patdk-wkballoons, oh? it hasn't been updated on the tracker14:45
jibelbladernr_, there is no dvd maybe that's the problem,14:45
balloonspatdk-wk, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2012-September/000161.html14:45
jibelbladernr_, try "dl-ubuntu-test-iso --release=quantal --flavor=ubuntu --variant=desktop"14:45
jibeldoes it work ?14:45
bladernr_jibel: nah, it failed on the desktop isos as well14:45
jibelbladernr_, any proxy ?14:46
bladernr_and there IS a DVD, I pulled it via wget14:46
bladernr_nope14:46
bladernr_directly connected to cdimages.u.c14:46
bladernr_err. cdimage.u.c though cdimages goes to the same plaec14:46
patdk-wkballoons, read that, don't see anything14:46
bladernr_place14:46
jibelthere is a DVD but old - 2012061214:46
smartboyhw20120612? That's like 4 months ago...:P14:47
bladernr_jibel: I'll retry with the amd64 one that I don't have yet.14:47
bladernr_and yeah, it's old but it's there... for now, I'm just trying to sort out the mechanism.  and as I said, it did the same thing when pulling the daily-live ISOs as well14:48
jibelbladernr_, I tried it there and it "Just Works"14:50
jibelI don't know what this "bad line" error means14:50
bladernr_jibel: yeah, figures.14:50
bladernr_jibel: I think that's because I was dumb and was using it in the wrong place :-)14:51
bladernr_I'll keep playing with it.  Just wish zsync had a verbosity setting or a logging facility :(14:52
patdk-wkhmm, all my iscsi's are failing to boot :(15:06
balloonspatdk-wk, updated your bug15:06
patdk-wkI did15:06
patdk-wk Ineed to make a new bug for iscsi though15:06
patdk-wkthe last one I did, we got a few different bugs all mixed up into one15:07
patdk-wkand then I left, and wasn't able to get it all straightened out before I left15:07
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balloonspatdk-wk, so what's up with your iscsi's?15:21
njincom//dvd/current/quantal-dvd-i386.iso15:26
njinballoons, hallo, when is planned the respin ?15:29
smartboyhwnjin, I think it will be started soon15:29
njinsmartboyhw, i'm waiting ....15:29
smartboyhwnjin, :)15:29
balloonsnjin, yes, *soon*15:30
njinsmartboyhw, are you from china ?15:30
smartboyhwnjin, Hong Kong:D15:30
njinah, lucky15:30
smartboyhwnjin, ?15:30
njini'm from Italy...15:31
smartboyhwnjin, so?15:31
njinmafia everywhere15:31
smartboyhwnjin, ............that's bad15:31
njinyes15:32
balloonsnjin, lol15:32
smartboyhwballoons, I don't think it is a good one to lol15:32
balloonsYakuza everyone smartboyhw ?15:33
balloonsI guess I missed it.. anyways15:33
jamespagepatdk-wk, what issue are you seeing with iscsi?15:36
patdk-wktwo issues15:37
patdk-wkiscsi attempts to start before nic are online/setup15:37
patdk-wksecond issue, the iscsi script can't figure out it's target, even though it's in the config correctly15:37
patdk-wkjust got done writing it all up15:37
patdk-wkbug 106694515:37
ubot5Launchpad bug 1066945 in debian-installer (Ubuntu) "iSCSI root fails" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106694515:38
* balloons looks15:43
patdk-wklooks like the testcase info needs to be updated for jeos15:48
balloonspatdk-wk, I'll take a look at that now15:49
patdk-wkguy replied to my bug report not very good :(15:49
patdk-wkbut it sounds like the new limit is 650MB, though I can't locate any info anywhere to back that up15:49
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balloonspatdk-wk, yes..15:57
balloonsjamespage, is the new limit for install sizes documented anywhere? ^^15:57
jamespageballoons, the MP for the server documentation just got updated15:58
jamespagepushed rather15:58
jamespagepatdk-wk, a fix for the " iscsistart: TargetName not set. Exiting iscsistart" problem is in quantal-proposed16:00
patdk-wkthat seems it would be half the issue, let me see if I can get that added16:00
jamespagepatdk-wk, open-iscsi is a bit broken as it stands - the initator name was not getting generated on install16:02
jamespageonly on first boot16:02
jamespagewhich never happens cause its broken on install16:02
patdk-wkya I filed bugs on that a long time ago16:02
patdk-wkcause initiator name is important for me to know, during install16:03
patdk-wkit's a total pain to say, this client is allowed for the install, then have to go back and change it after the install to it's now new name16:03
patdk-wklet alone hunting for it both times16:03
jamespagepatdk-wk, you are talking about the 'feature' where the install initiator name is different to the installed system initiator name right?16:07
patdk-wkya16:07
jamespagepatdk-wk, please point me at the bug - we should try to fix that next release16:07
jamespageballoons, the minimal install is now in the docs at 700MB - but that covers both amd64 and i38616:08
jamespagethe automated testing has some headroom for whats not normally installed for a stock jeos install16:09
patdk-wkbug 92458316:09
ubot5Launchpad bug 924583 in partman-iscsi (Ubuntu) "iscsi install initiator name" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/92458316:09
patdk-wk:(16:10
patdk-wktotally can't remember/figure out how to use purposed during install16:10
patdk-wkand google isn't helping :(16:10
balloonssoftware sources, enable proposed16:11
balloonsahh your on server16:11
patdk-wkhmm? attempting from the installation iso cli16:11
balloonsquantal-proposed is the repo16:12
patdk-wkthat much I do know :)16:12
jamespagepatdk-wk, it should be on the next set of ISO's16:12
balloonsdeb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ quantal-proposed16:13
patdk-wkya, but I can't locate an apt sources file anywhere16:13
patdk-wkso can't add it16:13
balloonswould you be able to install, then boot using cd, shell into install and fix16:15
balloonsthen reboot/16:15
balloonspatdk-wk, so is this the testcase that needs updated? http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/testcases/1445/revisions/375/info16:17
balloonsnjin, http://packages.qa.dev.stgraber.org/qatracker/testcases/1337/info it looks correct here16:18
balloonsdid something get missed copying it over?16:18
patdk-wkhttp://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/testcases/1456/info16:18
balloonspatdk-wk, ahh! got it16:19
balloonsI'll update now16:19
patdk-wkhttp://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/testcases/1458/info16:19
patdk-wkI think they are the same, not sure though16:19
patdk-wkactually, lots of updates needed kindof, since the new kernel methods16:19
patdk-wkbut that will change now, between older and newer versions that are getting tested16:20
balloonspatdk-wk, njin was working through the server testcases this cycle, but several of them weren't able to be updated properly -- we'd love your help16:21
patdk-wkoh? I can edit them somehow?16:21
balloonspatdk-wk, there's actually a team of folks that help out maintaining the cases16:22
balloonssome of the server testcases are simply pure migrations from the old wiki16:22
patdk-wkwould have said something about that needed changing, but didn't know it was changed :)16:23
balloonshere's the info on the team: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/TestCaseAdmins16:24
patdk-wkguess I will need to wait for new iso, I totally don't get how to install via purposed during install16:24
patdk-wkknow I did it many releases ago, natty?16:24
balloonsyou don't have to join the team to help work on testcases though.. you can help verify and test or write a case..16:24
patdk-wkatleast I know who to file bugs to, that helps16:25
balloonssee the 'report a bug against the content of this testcase'16:27
patdk-wkah, must be new since the layout change16:30
patdk-wkok, new openiscsi installed16:30
balloonspatdk-wk, indeed.. so, yes I would love your help in shaping up the cases16:31
balloonspatdk-wk, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/TestCaseFormat lists the format for testcases.. basically if you want to edit / revamp any cases that need it just follow the format posted. Anyone on the team can then help make it "live".. you can file a bug to have it updated16:32
patdk-wkupdate iscsi bug16:33
silverarrowhi17:13
silverarrowdo any of you have media player in browser after the last week of updates?17:14
njinwho is syncing ? o/17:23
silverarrowI am downloading latest to see of it boots live17:28
silverarrowI might do a full reinstall, maybe the sound problem I have will be easier to sort out17:31
balloonsI am syncing17:36
balloonslots to sync!17:36
silverarrowas long as it doesn`t sink17:37
njinupgrading the last netbook, bye Precise17:41
njinevrytime I feel a sense of nostalgy and seems to me that i'm offending the old release, I loved them one by one17:43
njin:-*(17:44
silverarrowyeah, we de leave them behind17:45
silverarrow12.04 will live a long time on servers at least17:45
njinbut is also true that they are pieces of my great love, Ubuntu...17:45
silverarrowsome desktops too17:46
silverarrowbut if there ever is to be an Ubuntu in the future, it has to be renewed and updated17:47
njinah, yes. step by step17:47
silverarrowI`m not sure how it works, but every time there is a new kernel, it is launched to fix problems, but with it comes a major mess to  clean up17:48
silverarrowthere is a lot to say for a longterm release too17:49
silverarrowthink of xp17:49
njinnew kernel fix problem and implement newest devices17:49
silverarrowdo you remember how windows 95 and 98 worked?17:50
patdk-wkthey worked?17:50
njinlol17:50
njinwin8 is egual17:50
silverarrowwith xp and the new file system, they stayed with it, and it ran better than ever after a couple of years17:50
njinsure xp was a big step beyond respect 9817:51
njinbut win 8 is stupid referred to quantal17:51
njinimho17:51
silverarrownow windows 8 is released17:51
silverarrowI was more comparing precise to xp17:52
silverarrowyeah, quantal is good, I am installing quantal on my hp as soon as I get it back17:52
njinpercise has the usability of xp with the latest tecnologies inside17:53
silverarrownjin: you mean the new desktop environment is compared ?17:53
silverarrowxp lasted a long time17:53
silverarrowwith 3 major SP17:54
njinxp still the best windows system17:54
silverarrowmaybe, but windows 7 has been much the same here17:55
* patdk-wk wants a backport of grub from quantal to precise :)17:56
njinI stop to use win starting from feisty (xp times), so I don't know about 717:56
patdk-wkI tried to do one, but way too many adjustments :(17:56
balloonspatdk-wk, you like grub 2 eh?17:56
patdk-wkballoons, well, I like luks support :)17:56
silverarrowI have to get rid of Vista on a laptop, but need windows for software which is not available for linux or osx17:56
patdk-wksilverarrow, I use ubuntu on all my machines, I will run a win7 vm though17:57
patdk-wkbut I rarely ever boot that vm17:57
silverarrowthere is a course on tracing family, with uses Embla, and everybody have windows18:02
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silverarrowdoes the queuebot have hickup, or are the updates multiple today?19:46
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phillwsilverarrow: there are a lot of mission critical bugs being corrected that are causing multiple re-spins,19:55
* patdk-wk spins round and round19:55
phillwsilverarrow: you can keep track of what is planned for respin and why at http://pad.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-release .... do NOT edit that section"19:57
phillws/"/!/19:57
* patdk-wk tries 20121015.1 server iscsi19:57
Noskcajballoons could you triage thoose two bugs you said you would( bug 1066223 and 1066225) the second has been approved by the  kubuntu team for r-series20:00
ubot5Error: Could not gather data from Launchpad for bug #1066225 (https://launchpad.net/bugs/1066225). The error has been logged20:00
ubot5Launchpad bug 1066223 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "kde ubiquity detects Sydney timezone but says Adelaide" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106622320:00
balloonsNoskcaj, they haven't been?20:01
balloonsI see followup on them20:01
Noskcajnot really20:01
Noskcaj1066223 is confirmed nothing else, 1066225 just has a big comment tread20:03
balloonsScottK is from kubuntu20:04
balloonswe could point the other bug he hasn't commented on out to him and xnox20:04
silverarrowI am having password problems20:05
silverarrowmy usual computer is in for repair, and I am in browser with no stored passworkds20:05
balloonsthat sucks :-(20:06
Noskcajballoons: ok, scottk and i had a talk on kubuntu-devel and he now agrees it should be done for r-series20:06
Noskcaj106622520:06
silverarrowit does, ubuntu pad is a bit tricky to have passwords retrieved20:07
silverarrowI can login to launchpad, but not ubuntu testing20:07
patdk-wk20121015.1 doesn't include any iscsi fixs20:08
phillwpatdk-wk: I don't see any queued yet that would trigger a respin.20:09
patdk-wkwell, was just testing to be sure :)20:09
patdk-wkhalf of the fix is in proposed, or atleast, 1 fix of the two needed20:10
balloonspatdk-wk, odd20:16
balloonsthey should have gone in20:16
balloonsthey were intended to20:16
balloonsafaik20:16
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plarsanyone here with a mac and external display that could possibly confirm https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/106688320:51
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1066883 in xorg (Ubuntu Quantal) "Fatal server error: Can not run in framebuffer mode on reboot" [Undecided,New]20:51
phillwwxl is not due home until later,20:53
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phillwplars: ahh, it's AMD64 - not sure who tests those.20:54
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phillwahh, lars, also a ppc tester.20:55
plarsphillw: amd64+mac image actually, I have one system I can test it on (macbook), but I can't reproduce the problem. psivaa is seeing it with a mac mini with an external monitor20:55
phillwplars: that what i meant :D20:55
wxllars is here wow21:06
wxlnext thing you know greg and ron will show up and we'll have a ppc party up in here21:07
Noskcajthe ibook 64 i have isn;t able to boot from cd or usb and i cant get the cd out, i still have OSX10.4 on it. any ideas?21:08
Noskcaj*g421:08
wxlyes Noskcaj21:08
wxlforce shut it down if you have to21:08
wxlthen turn it on21:08
wxland IMMEDIATELY21:08
wxlhit command-option-o-f21:08
wxlyou'll get to the open firmware prompt21:09
wxltype eject cd21:09
wxldone21:09
wxlyou should hold the keystroke btw21:09
Noskcajwxl: thanks, i will try and get some tessts running on it21:11
Noskcajwxl: also it wont boot from cd, any ideas there?21:18
wxlNoskcaj: that could be all kind of things. did you md5 the iso and the cd and did they match up with published values?21:18
Noskcaji forgot21:19
wxlwell if you have problems, that's the first thing to check21:19
Noskcajalso the cd is a bit scratched21:19
wxland note it's important to verify not only the iso but the cd as well21:19
wxlwell that may be your problem21:19
wxlthe side loading drives tend to deal less well with damaged discs21:19
Noskcajthanks i will try again later21:20
wxlnp21:20
phillwNoskcaj: are you Lars?21:20
wxlfeel free to msg me if you need further help tho i likely won't be on until later21:20
Noskcajok21:20
Noskcajphillw: no21:20
wxlphillw: oh, shoot, i thought that was plars. now i see i'm mistaken.21:20
wxlthat's what i get for listening to you XD21:21
Noskcajas the username sugests my name is jackson21:21
phillwwxl: no worries, similar names!21:21
phillwI don't think I've ever seen lars on IRC (at least do not recall his irc nick).21:21
wxli don't think i've seen greg or ron for that matter either21:22
phillwgreg comes on, ron does not like IRC21:23
wxlis greg nm_geo?21:23
phillwyes21:23
wxli've never seen him. he must be the opposite time zone from me21:23
phillwpossibly. I loose track of TZ's :)21:25
silverarrowthere were a guy here yesterday who had managed to put the b43 drivers on a usb, and made it "persistent"21:36
balloonsupgrade on real machines all worked :-)22:08
balloonsthings all looking good today from me22:08
balloonsother than known issues22:08
Patrickdkoh, it's a .2 now :)22:16
phillwballoons: yeah, like the route to get ppc to work being a dead end because alternate & server no longer work :/ But, yeah, they seem to be squishing bugs really quickly. Fantastic work by the release team (and up stream) to react so quickly to the bugs found by the testers.22:19
balloonsit can be a wild ride22:20
phillwballoons: and those of us who've been on it for a while, wouldn't miss it for the world :)22:21
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balloonsdinner breK22:27

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