[04:31] <ScottK> Do the Lubuntu powerpc testers IRC?
[05:24] <Noskcaj> ScottK: yes
[05:36] <silverarrow> anyone up?
[05:36] <silverarrow> do you have any mediaplayers in browser after last weeks updates?
[06:13] <jmarsden> ScottK: I have a Powerbook G4... and am on occasional Lubuntu powerbook tester...
[06:13] <ScottK> jmarsden: What I'm really looking for is a Kubuntu powerpc tester.
[06:14] <ScottK> Would you be able to take that for a bit of a spin?
[06:14] <jmarsden> ScottK: I can download an ISO and try a basic install, sure.  Anything in particular I am looking for?
[06:14] <ScottK> (I asked about Lubuntu because that's the only other desktop flavor with powerpc)
[06:15] <ScottK> jmarsden: As many of the test cases as you've got time for. http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/240/builds/25832/testcases
[06:15] <ScottK> Even the booting it as a live CD and doing a basic install would be a huge help.
[06:15] <jmarsden> ScottK: OK, it's 11:15PM here and I have work tomorrow, but I'll try at least one :)
[06:16] <ScottK> jmarsden: That's be great.  I understand it being late (I'm on the east coast, so I really need to go to bed)
[06:17] <jmarsden> OK.  Download under way...
[06:17] <ScottK> Excellent.
[06:18] <jmarsden> ScottK: Um, that ISO seems to be oversized... I don't think I can boto a DVD on the old powerbook... ??
[06:19] <ScottK> Ah.  That would be a problem (as it is oversized)
[06:19] <ScottK> I don't suppose it boots to usb either.
[06:19] <jmarsden> I don't know, I have never tried that.
[06:19] <ScottK> I would have thought CD/DVD didn't matter if it could read DVDs, but I confess I didn't try it.
[06:20] <dj_xen> jmarsden: you have, what, a 12" aluminum powerbook?
[06:20] <jmarsden> dj_xen: Yes.
[06:21] <dj_xen> jmarsden: then you're fine booting from dvd. chances are usb will not play nice with you. openfirmware sucks.
[06:21] <jmarsden> OK, I'll find a DVD-R and try it out that way.
[06:21] <dj_xen> dvd+rw works too
[06:22] <ScottK> Good to know.  Thanks dj_xen.
[06:22] <jmarsden> What I have to hand is about 100 CD-R blanks... I don't generally burn DVDs... but I think I have some somewhere :)
[06:23] <dj_xen> there's a way to compress the iso
[06:23] <dj_xen> by removing the 64bit stuff
[06:23] <dj_xen> but i've had bad luck with it
[06:25] <jmarsden> we're in luck... found a stack of 20+ DVD+R blanks under a pile of other things... :)
[06:34] <dholbach> good morning
[06:41] <jibel> good morning dholbach
[06:43] <ganges> hello.. against which package a bug relating to incomplete language support be filed?
[06:46] <jibel> ganges, if it's a missing translation, file it against the project ubuntu-translations
[06:47] <jibel> if it's an untranslatable string, file it directly against the package
[06:48] <dholbach> salut jibel
[07:06] <ganges> jibel: sorry, i was away. I have installed english version and a propmt said, incpmlete lang support. however the end result was 'couldn'
[07:07] <ganges> 'couldn't install full lang support
[07:08] <jmarsden> ScottK: Booted from DVD fine, gets to splash screen (Kubuntu gear wheel with 5 dots underneath)... then seems to hang, optical drive spins down, alt-f1, ctrl-alt-f1 etc do not do anything, capslock key does toggle its LED.  Do you want me to file a bug and officially fail the QA test?
[07:18] <jibel> ganges, ah ok, this bug has been fixed recently. With which image do you have this ?
[07:18] <ganges> desktop, build 20121014
[07:18] <ganges> ubuntu
[07:20] <ganges> jibel: http://imagebin.org/231994, an image if you want to have a look at
[07:22] <jibel> ganges, hm, and a dbus error :/ language-selector would be the package then
[07:23] <ganges> jibel: thank you for your time and suggestion :)
[07:24] <jibel> yw
[07:24] <ganges> jibel: 'package language-selector doesn't exit' ! :(
[07:25] <ganges> *exist
[07:26] <jibel> ganges, language-selector-gnome maybe
[07:27] <ganges> jibel: seems to work :)
[11:57] <ScottK> jmarsden: Yes.  Please.
[12:43] <njin> virtualbox
[13:51] <bladernr_> Hey, anyone have ideas for troubleshooting the dl-ubuntu-test-iso script?  when I run it, it will zsync an ISO up to between 95 and 100%, then hang. It never completes an iso.  I can wget the ISOs manually, but rsync and zsync called from the dl-ubuntu-test-iso script always seem to hang.
[13:51] <smartboyhw> bladernr_, eh where is that script? Never heard of it
[13:52] <bladernr_> it's an older script, in ubuntu-qa-tools on LP
[13:52] <bladernr_> jibel: and some of the older members will know what it is.
[13:53] <jibel> smartboyhw, https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bugcontrol/ubuntu-qa-tools/master
[13:54] <bladernr_> jibel: thanks, I was just trying to find that again :)
[13:54] <jibel> bladernr_, do you use the latest version, I don't think it's packaged anymore
[13:58] <balloons_> bah, losing nick :-(
[13:58] <smartboyhw> balloons_, release it
[14:18] <patdk-wk> is there a new place I should report jeos installs too large bugs? cause my last bug hasn't even been looked at
[14:20] <balloons> patdk-wk, which bug/.
[14:20] <patdk-wk> #1018542
[14:20] <smartboyhw> Bug 1018542
[14:21] <patdk-wk> been out of country during the beta builds, so I missed them
[14:23] <patdk-wk> hmm, looks to all be the fault of apt
[14:24] <patdk-wk> if it wasn't for apt using up 190megs of diskspace, it would be under limit
[14:26] <balloons> ahh.. did a clean fix it?
[14:26] <patdk-wk> no, a clean won't clean enough
[14:27] <patdk-wk> still 100megs too large
[14:27] <patdk-wk> from the apt pkg databases
[14:37] <balloons> patdk-wk, so this is still happening on the rc images?
[14:38] <balloons> if so, we should ping the server team about it now
[14:38] <patdk-wk> ya, 630M for amd64, and 530M for i386
[14:38] <smartboyhw> Wow....That IS a big diff
[14:39] <patdk-wk> testing iscsi now
[14:40] <patdk-wk> hmm, my iscsi boots still fail :(
[14:40] <smartboyhw> :(
[14:42] <bladernr_> jibel: yeah, I pulled the branch from LP just before I tried using it
[14:43] <bladernr_> jibel: when I manually zsync, I get this: bladernr@transit:/data/cdimages/dvd$ zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com//dvd/current/quantal-dvd-i386.iso
[14:43] <bladernr_> #################### 100.0% 852.7 kBps DONE
[14:43] <bladernr_> Bad line - not a zsync file? "3퐐����������������������������3��ռ"
[14:43] <smartboyhw> !?
[14:43] <bladernr_> wget, as I mentioned before, is successful.
[14:44] <smartboyhw> Why is it showing a KOREAN letter?
[14:44] <bladernr_> oh... bother...
[14:44] <patdk-wk> it's not :)
[14:44] <patdk-wk> it's called utf8 with random binary
[14:44] <bladernr_> I thought zsync would, if in an empty dir, just pull the file.
[14:44] <bladernr_> maybe that's not the case... let me try again in a file that has an existing zsync file
[14:44] <smartboyhw> Uh
[14:45] <balloons> patdk-wk, so I was thinking jeos had some specific requirement.. but they relaxed image sizes this cycle
[14:45] <patdk-wk> balloons, oh? it hasn't been updated on the tracker
[14:45] <jibel> bladernr_, there is no dvd maybe that's the problem,
[14:45] <balloons> patdk-wk, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2012-September/000161.html
[14:45] <jibel> bladernr_, try "dl-ubuntu-test-iso --release=quantal --flavor=ubuntu --variant=desktop"
[14:45] <jibel> does it work ?
[14:45] <bladernr_> jibel: nah, it failed on the desktop isos as well
[14:46] <jibel> bladernr_, any proxy ?
[14:46] <bladernr_> and there IS a DVD, I pulled it via wget
[14:46] <bladernr_> nope
[14:46] <bladernr_> directly connected to cdimages.u.c
[14:46] <bladernr_> err. cdimage.u.c though cdimages goes to the same plaec
[14:46] <patdk-wk> balloons, read that, don't see anything
[14:46] <bladernr_> place
[14:46] <jibel> there is a DVD but old - 20120612
[14:47] <smartboyhw> 20120612? That's like 4 months ago...:P
[14:47] <bladernr_> jibel: I'll retry with the amd64 one that I don't have yet.
[14:48] <bladernr_> and yeah, it's old but it's there... for now, I'm just trying to sort out the mechanism.  and as I said, it did the same thing when pulling the daily-live ISOs as well
[14:50] <jibel> bladernr_, I tried it there and it "Just Works"
[14:50] <jibel> I don't know what this "bad line" error means
[14:50] <bladernr_> jibel: yeah, figures.
[14:51] <bladernr_> jibel: I think that's because I was dumb and was using it in the wrong place :-)
[14:52] <bladernr_> I'll keep playing with it.  Just wish zsync had a verbosity setting or a logging facility :(
[15:06] <patdk-wk> hmm, all my iscsi's are failing to boot :(
[15:06] <balloons> patdk-wk, updated your bug
[15:06] <patdk-wk> I did
[15:06] <patdk-wk>  Ineed to make a new bug for iscsi though
[15:07] <patdk-wk> the last one I did, we got a few different bugs all mixed up into one
[15:07] <patdk-wk> and then I left, and wasn't able to get it all straightened out before I left
[15:21] <balloons> patdk-wk, so what's up with your iscsi's?
[15:26] <njin> com//dvd/current/quantal-dvd-i386.iso
[15:29] <njin> balloons, hallo, when is planned the respin ?
[15:29] <smartboyhw> njin, I think it will be started soon
[15:29] <njin> smartboyhw, i'm waiting ....
[15:29] <smartboyhw> njin, :)
[15:30] <balloons> njin, yes, *soon*
[15:30] <njin> smartboyhw, are you from china ?
[15:30] <smartboyhw> njin, Hong Kong:D
[15:30] <njin> ah, lucky
[15:30] <smartboyhw> njin, ?
[15:31] <njin> i'm from Italy...
[15:31] <smartboyhw> njin, so?
[15:31] <njin> mafia everywhere
[15:31] <smartboyhw> njin, ............that's bad
[15:32] <njin> yes
[15:32] <balloons> njin, lol
[15:32] <smartboyhw> balloons, I don't think it is a good one to lol
[15:33] <balloons> Yakuza everyone smartboyhw ?
[15:33] <balloons> I guess I missed it.. anyways
[15:36] <jamespage> patdk-wk, what issue are you seeing with iscsi?
[15:37] <patdk-wk> two issues
[15:37] <patdk-wk> iscsi attempts to start before nic are online/setup
[15:37] <patdk-wk> second issue, the iscsi script can't figure out it's target, even though it's in the config correctly
[15:37] <patdk-wk> just got done writing it all up
[15:37] <patdk-wk> bug 1066945
[15:43]  * balloons looks
[15:48] <patdk-wk> looks like the testcase info needs to be updated for jeos
[15:49] <balloons> patdk-wk, I'll take a look at that now
[15:49] <patdk-wk> guy replied to my bug report not very good :(
[15:49] <patdk-wk> but it sounds like the new limit is 650MB, though I can't locate any info anywhere to back that up
[15:57] <balloons> patdk-wk, yes..
[15:57] <balloons> jamespage, is the new limit for install sizes documented anywhere? ^^
[15:58] <jamespage> balloons, the MP for the server documentation just got updated
[15:58] <jamespage> pushed rather
[16:00] <jamespage> patdk-wk, a fix for the " iscsistart: TargetName not set. Exiting iscsistart" problem is in quantal-proposed
[16:00] <patdk-wk> that seems it would be half the issue, let me see if I can get that added
[16:02] <jamespage> patdk-wk, open-iscsi is a bit broken as it stands - the initator name was not getting generated on install
[16:02] <jamespage> only on first boot
[16:02] <jamespage> which never happens cause its broken on install
[16:02] <patdk-wk> ya I filed bugs on that a long time ago
[16:03] <patdk-wk> cause initiator name is important for me to know, during install
[16:03] <patdk-wk> it's a total pain to say, this client is allowed for the install, then have to go back and change it after the install to it's now new name
[16:03] <patdk-wk> let alone hunting for it both times
[16:07] <jamespage> patdk-wk, you are talking about the 'feature' where the install initiator name is different to the installed system initiator name right?
[16:07] <patdk-wk> ya
[16:07] <jamespage> patdk-wk, please point me at the bug - we should try to fix that next release
[16:08] <jamespage> balloons, the minimal install is now in the docs at 700MB - but that covers both amd64 and i386
[16:09] <jamespage> the automated testing has some headroom for whats not normally installed for a stock jeos install
[16:09] <patdk-wk> bug 924583
[16:10] <patdk-wk> :(
[16:10] <patdk-wk> totally can't remember/figure out how to use purposed during install
[16:10] <patdk-wk> and google isn't helping :(
[16:11] <balloons> software sources, enable proposed
[16:11] <balloons> ahh your on server
[16:11] <patdk-wk> hmm? attempting from the installation iso cli
[16:12] <balloons> quantal-proposed is the repo
[16:12] <patdk-wk> that much I do know :)
[16:12] <jamespage> patdk-wk, it should be on the next set of ISO's
[16:13] <balloons> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ quantal-proposed
[16:13] <patdk-wk> ya, but I can't locate an apt sources file anywhere
[16:13] <patdk-wk> so can't add it
[16:15] <balloons> would you be able to install, then boot using cd, shell into install and fix
[16:15] <balloons> then reboot/
[16:17] <balloons> patdk-wk, so is this the testcase that needs updated? http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/testcases/1445/revisions/375/info
[16:18] <balloons> njin, http://packages.qa.dev.stgraber.org/qatracker/testcases/1337/info it looks correct here
[16:18] <balloons> did something get missed copying it over?
[16:18] <patdk-wk> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/testcases/1456/info
[16:19] <balloons> patdk-wk, ahh! got it
[16:19] <balloons> I'll update now
[16:19] <patdk-wk> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/testcases/1458/info
[16:19] <patdk-wk> I think they are the same, not sure though
[16:19] <patdk-wk> actually, lots of updates needed kindof, since the new kernel methods
[16:20] <patdk-wk> but that will change now, between older and newer versions that are getting tested
[16:21] <balloons> patdk-wk, njin was working through the server testcases this cycle, but several of them weren't able to be updated properly -- we'd love your help
[16:21] <patdk-wk> oh? I can edit them somehow?
[16:22] <balloons> patdk-wk, there's actually a team of folks that help out maintaining the cases
[16:22] <balloons> some of the server testcases are simply pure migrations from the old wiki
[16:23] <patdk-wk> would have said something about that needed changing, but didn't know it was changed :)
[16:24] <balloons> here's the info on the team: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/TestCaseAdmins
[16:24] <patdk-wk> guess I will need to wait for new iso, I totally don't get how to install via purposed during install
[16:24] <patdk-wk> know I did it many releases ago, natty?
[16:24] <balloons> you don't have to join the team to help work on testcases though.. you can help verify and test or write a case..
[16:25] <patdk-wk> atleast I know who to file bugs to, that helps
[16:27] <balloons> see the 'report a bug against the content of this testcase'
[16:30] <patdk-wk> ah, must be new since the layout change
[16:30] <patdk-wk> ok, new openiscsi installed
[16:31] <balloons> patdk-wk, indeed.. so, yes I would love your help in shaping up the cases
[16:32] <balloons> patdk-wk, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/TestCaseFormat lists the format for testcases.. basically if you want to edit / revamp any cases that need it just follow the format posted. Anyone on the team can then help make it "live".. you can file a bug to have it updated
[16:33] <patdk-wk> update iscsi bug
[17:13] <silverarrow> hi
[17:14] <silverarrow> do any of you have media player in browser after the last week of updates?
[17:23] <njin> who is syncing ? o/
[17:28] <silverarrow> I am downloading latest to see of it boots live
[17:31] <silverarrow> I might do a full reinstall, maybe the sound problem I have will be easier to sort out
[17:36] <balloons> I am syncing
[17:36] <balloons> lots to sync!
[17:37] <silverarrow> as long as it doesn`t sink
[17:41] <njin> upgrading the last netbook, bye Precise
[17:43] <njin> evrytime I feel a sense of nostalgy and seems to me that i'm offending the old release, I loved them one by one
[17:44] <njin> :-*(
[17:45] <silverarrow> yeah, we de leave them behind
[17:45] <silverarrow> 12.04 will live a long time on servers at least
[17:45] <njin> but is also true that they are pieces of my great love, Ubuntu...
[17:46] <silverarrow> some desktops too
[17:47] <silverarrow> but if there ever is to be an Ubuntu in the future, it has to be renewed and updated
[17:47] <njin> ah, yes. step by step
[17:48] <silverarrow> I`m not sure how it works, but every time there is a new kernel, it is launched to fix problems, but with it comes a major mess to  clean up
[17:49] <silverarrow> there is a lot to say for a longterm release too
[17:49] <silverarrow> think of xp
[17:49] <njin> new kernel fix problem and implement newest devices
[17:50] <silverarrow> do you remember how windows 95 and 98 worked?
[17:50] <patdk-wk> they worked?
[17:50] <njin> lol
[17:50] <njin> win8 is egual
[17:50] <silverarrow> with xp and the new file system, they stayed with it, and it ran better than ever after a couple of years
[17:51] <njin> sure xp was a big step beyond respect 98
[17:51] <njin> but win 8 is stupid referred to quantal
[17:51] <njin> imho
[17:51] <silverarrow> now windows 8 is released
[17:52] <silverarrow> I was more comparing precise to xp
[17:52] <silverarrow> yeah, quantal is good, I am installing quantal on my hp as soon as I get it back
[17:53] <njin> percise has the usability of xp with the latest tecnologies inside
[17:53] <silverarrow> njin: you mean the new desktop environment is compared ?
[17:53] <silverarrow> xp lasted a long time
[17:54] <silverarrow> with 3 major SP
[17:54] <njin> xp still the best windows system
[17:55] <silverarrow> maybe, but windows 7 has been much the same here
[17:56]  * patdk-wk wants a backport of grub from quantal to precise :)
[17:56] <njin> I stop to use win starting from feisty (xp times), so I don't know about 7
[17:56] <patdk-wk> I tried to do one, but way too many adjustments :(
[17:56] <balloons> patdk-wk, you like grub 2 eh?
[17:56] <patdk-wk> balloons, well, I like luks support :)
[17:56] <silverarrow> I have to get rid of Vista on a laptop, but need windows for software which is not available for linux or osx
[17:57] <patdk-wk> silverarrow, I use ubuntu on all my machines, I will run a win7 vm though
[17:57] <patdk-wk> but I rarely ever boot that vm
[18:02] <silverarrow> there is a course on tracing family, with uses Embla, and everybody have windows
[19:46] <silverarrow> does the queuebot have hickup, or are the updates multiple today?
[19:55] <phillw> silverarrow: there are a lot of mission critical bugs being corrected that are causing multiple re-spins,
[19:55]  * patdk-wk spins round and round
[19:57] <phillw> silverarrow: you can keep track of what is planned for respin and why at http://pad.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-release .... do NOT edit that section"
[19:57] <phillw> s/"/!/
[19:57]  * patdk-wk tries 20121015.1 server iscsi
[20:00] <Noskcaj> balloons could you triage thoose two bugs you said you would( bug 1066223 and 1066225) the second has been approved by the  kubuntu team for r-series
[20:01] <balloons> Noskcaj, they haven't been?
[20:01] <balloons> I see followup on them
[20:01] <Noskcaj> not really
[20:03] <Noskcaj> 1066223 is confirmed nothing else, 1066225 just has a big comment tread
[20:04] <balloons> ScottK is from kubuntu
[20:04] <balloons> we could point the other bug he hasn't commented on out to him and xnox
[20:05] <silverarrow> I am having password problems
[20:05] <silverarrow> my usual computer is in for repair, and I am in browser with no stored passworkds
[20:06] <balloons> that sucks :-(
[20:06] <Noskcaj> balloons: ok, scottk and i had a talk on kubuntu-devel and he now agrees it should be done for r-series
[20:06] <Noskcaj> 1066225
[20:07] <silverarrow> it does, ubuntu pad is a bit tricky to have passwords retrieved
[20:07] <silverarrow> I can login to launchpad, but not ubuntu testing
[20:08] <patdk-wk> 20121015.1 doesn't include any iscsi fixs
[20:09] <phillw> patdk-wk: I don't see any queued yet that would trigger a respin.
[20:09] <patdk-wk> well, was just testing to be sure :)
[20:10] <patdk-wk> half of the fix is in proposed, or atleast, 1 fix of the two needed
[20:16] <balloons> patdk-wk, odd
[20:16] <balloons> they should have gone in
[20:16] <balloons> they were intended to
[20:16] <balloons> afaik
[20:51] <plars> anyone here with a mac and external display that could possibly confirm https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/1066883
[20:53] <phillw> wxl is not due home until later,
[20:54] <phillw> plars: ahh, it's AMD64 - not sure who tests those.
[20:55] <phillw> ahh, lars, also a ppc tester.
[20:55] <plars> phillw: amd64+mac image actually, I have one system I can test it on (macbook), but I can't reproduce the problem. psivaa is seeing it with a mac mini with an external monitor
[20:55] <phillw> plars: that what i meant :D
[21:06] <wxl> lars is here wow
[21:07] <wxl> next thing you know greg and ron will show up and we'll have a ppc party up in here
[21:08] <Noskcaj> the ibook 64 i have isn;t able to boot from cd or usb and i cant get the cd out, i still have OSX10.4 on it. any ideas?
[21:08] <Noskcaj> *g4
[21:08] <wxl> yes Noskcaj
[21:08] <wxl> force shut it down if you have to
[21:08] <wxl> then turn it on
[21:08] <wxl> and IMMEDIATELY
[21:08] <wxl> hit command-option-o-f
[21:09] <wxl> you'll get to the open firmware prompt
[21:09] <wxl> type eject cd
[21:09] <wxl> done
[21:09] <wxl> you should hold the keystroke btw
[21:11] <Noskcaj> wxl: thanks, i will try and get some tessts running on it
[21:18] <Noskcaj> wxl: also it wont boot from cd, any ideas there?
[21:18] <wxl> Noskcaj: that could be all kind of things. did you md5 the iso and the cd and did they match up with published values?
[21:19] <Noskcaj> i forgot
[21:19] <wxl> well if you have problems, that's the first thing to check
[21:19] <Noskcaj> also the cd is a bit scratched
[21:19] <wxl> and note it's important to verify not only the iso but the cd as well
[21:19] <wxl> well that may be your problem
[21:19] <wxl> the side loading drives tend to deal less well with damaged discs
[21:20] <Noskcaj> thanks i will try again later
[21:20] <wxl> np
[21:20] <phillw> Noskcaj: are you Lars?
[21:20] <wxl> feel free to msg me if you need further help tho i likely won't be on until later
[21:20] <Noskcaj> ok
[21:20] <Noskcaj> phillw: no
[21:20] <wxl> phillw: oh, shoot, i thought that was plars. now i see i'm mistaken.
[21:21] <wxl> that's what i get for listening to you XD
[21:21] <Noskcaj> as the username sugests my name is jackson
[21:21] <phillw> wxl: no worries, similar names!
[21:21] <phillw> I don't think I've ever seen lars on IRC (at least do not recall his irc nick).
[21:22] <wxl> i don't think i've seen greg or ron for that matter either
[21:23] <phillw> greg comes on, ron does not like IRC
[21:23] <wxl> is greg nm_geo?
[21:23] <phillw> yes
[21:23] <wxl> i've never seen him. he must be the opposite time zone from me
[21:25] <phillw> possibly. I loose track of TZ's :)
[21:36] <silverarrow> there were a guy here yesterday who had managed to put the b43 drivers on a usb, and made it "persistent"
[22:08] <balloons> upgrade on real machines all worked :-)
[22:08] <balloons> things all looking good today from me
[22:08] <balloons> other than known issues
[22:16] <Patrickdk> oh, it's a .2 now :)
[22:19] <phillw> balloons: yeah, like the route to get ppc to work being a dead end because alternate & server no longer work :/ But, yeah, they seem to be squishing bugs really quickly. Fantastic work by the release team (and up stream) to react so quickly to the bugs found by the testers.
[22:20] <balloons> it can be a wild ride
[22:21] <phillw> balloons: and those of us who've been on it for a while, wouldn't miss it for the world :)
[22:27] <balloons> dinner breK