[01:34] night Y'all. [04:37] cool google doodle today === TheOpenSourcerer is now known as theopensourcerer [07:35] GOOD MORNING :D [07:37] zomg'mornin [07:37] \o/ [07:38] Morning all [08:11] * mattt is uber tired today [08:11] heeeeelp [08:11] I guess we should be wishing everyone best of luck today and for the rest of the week [08:28] Happy Monday, everyone! :-D [08:29] * JamesTait pokes christel [08:29] * gord hisses [08:29] * JamesTait wishes SuperMatt good luck. [08:30] I was very pleased not to see a return of yesterday's frost this morning. [08:32] popey: camera draws 3w idle, max of 8w with the motors doing stuff, and 4w in the dark with the IR LEDs on === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [08:39] heey JamesTait <3 [08:39] Hey christel, how are you my lovely? [08:39] i am well! [08:39] thyself? [08:40] I'm a little cold, and a little sniffly, but overall not too bad. :) [08:41] AlanBell, ta [08:44] hi guys, got a question...i want to use 2 low powered laptops as single purpose irc workstations - any thoughts? mininmal linux install, any kind of DE recommended? or just use console ? [08:46] want to boot quicklly and straight into the irc session. [08:48] I use lubuntu and have an SSD in my netbook, boots in about 8 seconds, mungojerry [08:49] i want lighter weight than lubuntu or xfce even dwatkins [08:49] these are gonna be old laptops [08:49] no budget for new stuff [08:49] you could uninstall X-windows, I guess [08:49] and want only wifi and text based irc client [08:49] not sure if there's a Debian text-only distro any more [09:00] you can do a text-only ubuntu install [09:00] and then install irssi or whatever text based irc client you want [09:17] i was thinking of doing that, wondered if there was a better solution === gry is now known as Gryllida [09:22] whats the use case? [09:22] you just want a dedicated irc machine? [09:23] what spec are the laptops, I mean you saiud "low powered", how low? [09:23] mungojerry: I would install a desktop to get the font handling [09:24] popey, in a setup where sound engineers are communicating with each other over wifi during setup, soundcheck and during the live events, occuring on a weekly basis. its chartiable and there's no budget, however i can probably get some lower spec laptops to use [09:24] by lower spec i'm not sure but i want lightweight single purpose devices [09:24] who will connect them to wifi? [09:25] that's not straightforward on the command line [09:25] I'd go for crunchbang personally [09:25] is that using openbox nowadays? [09:26] one of the laptops will run the irc server too [09:26] because the wifi will be internal [09:26] good morning everyone, [09:26] You can use netcfg to connect to wifi from the command line [09:27] i thought wpa supplicant did it [09:28] and created a config file [09:28] Yes: It wasn't much fun last time I tried it though [09:33] are these two laptops the only two devices talking to eachother? [09:33] i.e. no other machines? [09:34] hi folks [09:38] popey, probably, although others may be added (and even mobile devices possibly). i considered cat5 but i don't think its possible to run a cable between the 2 or 3 cinema screens, and isn't always based in the same screen each week [09:38] i was just thinking irc may be overkill [09:39] why not just use bonjour? [09:39] that way as long as the network is up, they can chat, no need to faff about with an irc server [09:39] i've never used it [09:40] i'll have a look at it at lunchtime [09:54] it's just a thing you enable in most chat clients which does auto-discovery over the lan [09:54] so you can just instantly chat with people in the same area as you (as in the same LAN subnet) [10:10] Morning all [10:13] android apps not being pretty is a common complaint, i get it. but things could be worse... http://wmpoweruser.com/lets-draw-a-draw-something-clone-now-in-marketplace/ [10:29] czajkowski: Prod, Prod, Prod, Proddity Prod [10:29] davmor2: morning [10:30] czajkowski: Hello [11:20] moooornin [11:21] knightwise: How do [11:21] davmor2: doin fine; :) Listening back to the interview I did with @popey last week [11:21] making sure I didn't make a fool of myself :) === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away [11:55] Any tips for viewing pdfs in my browser with 12.10? I've tried copying libpdf.so from chrome to my chromium folder but it crashes whenever I open a PDF :( [11:55] Is there an evince plugin or ...*shudders*... an Adobe one I can use? === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [12:03] Hooray! Fixed === selinium is now known as selinuxium [12:50] Afternoon all o/ [12:52] ehlo selinuxium [12:53] Long time, no see knightwise. How are you doing? [12:53] (my fault for hiding from IRC) [12:54] selinuxium: we have been cold and lonely without you ;:o [12:55] :) [12:56] It is quiet in here... :/ [12:58] true [13:01] http://tumbleweed.popey.com/ [13:01] lunch time has that affect [13:01] people are busy 3 days left [13:02] ah yes , I forget :) [13:02] 3 pm here [13:10] I am a searching "GOD" :-) https://plus.google.com/u/0/104060033182234025482/posts/dsPJERDFLKR [13:13] theopensourcerer: re-reading that line now makes a lot more sense, I read it as I am searching "GOD" and was expecting an image that just had a million billion trillion results or something daft :D [13:15] lol [13:16] Time to head off - got to do the school run today. [13:46] * knightwise has to go and switch the backup tape .. playing standin for our field engineer guy today ... [13:46] its been a looooong time since I had to swap a tape [13:54] Am I stupid or am I using Rhythmbox wrong? It always stops after a track has finished playing even when I've queued some up... [14:14] andyc: depends if you started the first track from "playing now" or from a library selection narrowed down to one song. [15:08] huh. the midget just rolled over. this sets a dangerous precedent. [15:10] directhex: will be borrowing the car next [15:11] (some details happen inbetween) [15:14] directhex: poor kid! [15:16] MartijnVdS: i have a confession to make, i couldn't wait any longer for AlanBell to invite me for coffee so i have OPENED ONE OF THE BAGS OF KRUIDNOTEN [15:16] AND IT TASTES OF ALL KINDS OF AWESOME [15:16] (and i might eat them all and die) [15:25] @christel: a kind of ginger biscuit? (never had them) [15:25] lol, bad habit from twitter of putting an @ sign in front :-) [15:46] anyone used office 2010 with playonlinux? i'm missing a title bar [15:46] under gnome shell on ubuntu [15:51] does it work under any other desktop environments? [15:59] I have a asus k53u notebook, which holds an internal Hard drive with a windows seven partition, and a smaller ubuntu 12.10 partition, i need to make a complete image of this drive of as a back up, the drive is a western digital Model = WDC WD3200BPVT-80JJ5T0, FwRev=01.01A01, SerialNo=WD-WXD1E71MZRA1 Please can someone help me make such an image or file that would enable me to restore the entire disk to it's original state if t [15:59] ok, so the first question is, was stuff do you have available to you to back up on to? [16:01] I have a 1 tb western digital drive with 400gb free, it is connected via USB v2 [16:01] all right, what you need is a disk imaging tool [16:02] aha, brilliant [16:02] load up the application called disks [16:02] SuperMatt: That does more than the standard backup tool? [16:02] yup [16:02] click on your HDD that you want to image, and click on the cogs icon in the top right. From there you can "create disk image" of your HDD [16:02] ~$ disks No command 'disks' found, did you mean: Command 'udisks' from package 'udisks' (main) Command 'diskd' from package 'fdutils' (universe) disks: command not found [16:03] not from the command line [16:03] do it from the launcher [16:03] I am not in a live enviroment [16:04] I have loaded disks [16:04] well, you can do this [16:04] dd if=/dev/ of=/mount//disk.img bs=1M [16:04] but that's a VERY dangerous command if you don't get it right [16:05] christel: which one did you open? :) [16:05] SuperMatt: I am a noob [16:05] right, I *really* wouldn't do this from command line [16:05] ok [16:05] I'd do it from a live CD with the GUI loaded [16:06] Azelphur tried two programmes before by using x11 to ssh to my machine and do it for me... [16:06] they failed after a while, i think dd was one of them [16:06] MartijnVdS: the chocolate ones! :D [16:06] it's not worth it when the disks app can do it for you [16:07] christel: those are the best :) [16:09] en-sv-bo: let me know when you're in the UI [16:10] I am making an image of the 1tb drive first as a precation and using disks to do this. I was unawair disks could do that [16:10] Thank you for your help SuperMatt [16:10] i will let you know how i get on with this task [16:11] you're welcome [16:24] Top Class search results if you wanna chortle ::: http://goo.gl/3m90r [16:26] bootljhfdsds: will it educate me? === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [16:57] en-sv-bo, No Sir, It will not. [16:57] unless you are into laughology ! [16:58] SuperMatt: I tried to dd her drive before, she's hitting filesystem file size limits on her external drive [16:58] at least, that was the conclusion I came to [16:58] * Azelphur waves at en-sv-bo === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away [18:25] evening all [18:25] 'ning [18:25] I should do something about that cobweb http://ubingo.libertus.co.uk/cam/pad [18:26] I like the cobweb [18:26] it's very wobwebby [18:26] it is, maybe I will save it until after halloween [18:28] I didn't notice it during the day, shows up well with the infra red [18:28] haha [18:38] how long will 4 AA batteries drive something that draws 3 watts at 5 volts? [18:38] or how do I work it out? [18:41] I think you need the mAh for the batteries? [18:42] watts = amps * volts. so 3W = 0.6A * 5V. so you're pulling 600mA, 1200mAh will last 2 hours? (the last step I'm less sure on) [18:43] (and 1200 pulled out of nowhere, the AA's sat on my desk are 1900, for example) [18:43] sounds reasonable, I have a 2500 mAh rechargeable AA here [18:44] hmm, so 4 in series, err is that 2500mAh overall or do they add up? [18:45] I think in series the volts add up, in parallel the mAh add up [18:45] no, guess they wouldn't they are 2500mAh at 1.5v each, so 2500mAh at 6v between them [18:45] yeah, that is logical [18:45] so, with these batteries, 4 hours [18:46] (with a disclaimer that this is math I haven't touched since school, but it seems logical) [18:46] and they are actually 1.2v for the rechargeables so pretty close to the 5v the device is rated for [18:46] 4 of them would be 4.8v [18:49] long enough to be interesting for something, but not as long as I kind of hoped [18:51] anyone in Scotland? [18:55] I'm the opposite to in Scotland, does that count? [18:59] Azelphur: yeah i guess [18:59] yay \o/ [19:00] but it does say a lot about your views on independence :P [19:07] i say we let scotland become independent, and then invade it. [19:08] \o/ [19:08] ali1234: well... [19:09] ali1234: fun fact, the SNP council dude is a bitcoiner [19:09] which one? [19:09] * Azelphur checks his history again [19:12] ali1234: Councillor Math Campbell-Sturgess, http://www.mathcampbell.co.uk/ [19:12] AlanBell: have alook at this site http://www.reuk.co.uk/Solar-Powered-Wireless-CCTV.htm <--very good source of renewable stuff [19:19] personally, I think scottish independence is all the wrong way around. it's england that should be looking for some independence [19:20] scotland, wales and NI all have their own assemblies, and england's does double-duty as the UK's assembly too. no wonder the rest think there's some conflict of interest there [19:30] danfish, That's good .. I esp. love the marks outta 5 bit. [19:33] bootljhfdsds: design is a little basic but loads of good info [19:33] danfish, Is that you Dan W. ?? [19:36] err, no [19:44] Oh OK, sorry for asking.. [19:45] no probs [20:02] Evening all [20:07] interesting stuff danfish [20:09] I do have a small redundant PV panel that comes with a rubbish LED security light [20:10] in fact the dual LED light thing to the left of my camera if you want to go have a look at it :) === PaulGit_ is now known as PaulGit [20:13] I should measure the current draw on the other side of the transformer really [20:32] davmor2: Thursday on still? [20:36] AlanBell: I have one of those cameras on order so I'll do some measurements when it arrives [20:36] I chopped up the cable and resoldered it yesterday, didn't think to shove the multimeter on it at the time [20:37] where's it mounted now? [20:37] I even desoldered it and put it back together with the correct polarity [20:37] under the roof of the porch [20:38] looks good. Zoneminder has quite good support for those webcams I think [20:38] AlanBell: that is very good use of it [20:39] will be interesting to see if it survives the weather [20:40] I'll say [20:40] it is relatively sheltered from direct rain there [20:40] I don't have such a hideyhole any more [20:40] and as it is upside down the PCB is at the top, close to the thing it is screwed to [20:42] It should be OK for a while, but after a while the damp will creep in. You could get some PCB laquer from Maplins - protects things quite well IMO [20:43] Aye, not sure how well the camera itself will fair [20:56] well the main protection is that it is £35 [20:56] Azelphur: ok so i\m on gparted on a live cd [20:56] if it breaks then the next one will be located in a more protected place [20:57] I moved windows down from 128 gb to 71 gb and have 79gb unallocated space [20:57] how do i give that 97gb to linux_ [20:58] dub_: how are your partitions layed out? [20:58] danfish: I was looking at zoneminder earlier, I might get that set up for the motion sensing video stuff, there is a similar facility built into the camera [20:58] MartijnVdS: ? [20:59] anyone wanna vnc to my machine and help me?? i am a noob [20:59] I think it should be possible to hack the camera itself through the firmware upload tool and then maybe even install stuff direct on the board [21:00] dub_: you'd probably have to run "gparted" from the live CD [21:00] MartijnVdS: i am in a live cd [21:01] dub_: is Ubuntu already on the machine, or not? [21:03] AlanBell: this price is a bonus. I might house mine in one of a dummy CCTV case that are quite abundant on ebay [21:03] yes [21:04] umm a screenshot may help you mattt [21:04] umm a screenshot may help you MartijnVdS sorry mattt [21:05] http://bayimg.com/GAEcLAaeC MartijnVdS [21:07] dub_: what are all the unknown partitions? [21:07] i dont know [21:08] I did reinstall ubuntu a few times using the automatic installer so perhaps they are swap from systems that are no longer installed [21:10] MartijnVdS: ? [21:11] I don't know [21:13] Azelphur: help [21:13] dub_: NEVAR [21:13] * Azelphur looks [21:13] that's a lot of partitions o.O [21:13] yeah [21:13] Hence why i would like to sort it [21:14] "you have 1 gb remaning" says linux |:>/ [21:15] dub_: you need to move /dev/sda2, /dev/sda3 and /dev/sda4 to the left [21:15] so they are all at the beginning [21:16] Azelphur: you are awesome, would you mind doing it for me? please [21:16] You can take over my machine [21:16] like last time [21:16] dub_: haha, ok [21:17] you've backed up right? [21:17] as best i can [21:17] righto [21:17] yesh [21:17] :D [21:17] Azelphur: soundtrack for your backup? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jo1cyl0QbWo [21:17] x11vnc --connect home.azelphur.com [21:17] i have linux baced up [21:17] MartijnVdS: :P [21:17] so i'm happy [21:18] x11vnc it cannot find [21:18] MartijnVdS: fun [21:19] dub_: livecd again? [21:20] i realised my err [21:20] :) [21:22] dub_: pull up gparted then :) [21:22] its a mess [21:22] it's ok to unmount everything right? [21:23] yes [21:23] ok [21:25] that's what you want right? [21:26] see that would that make sence and work still_ [21:27] ah, you want to make sda2 smaller [21:27] I can do that, but I'll have to redo it a bit [21:27] you want the Linux partition to expand into the available space? [21:27] yes and the same with sda3 [21:27] ok so you want sda2 to be 70gb [21:28] how big do you want sda3? [21:28] with xp there was something about 10% free space to work... i dunno about windows 7 [21:28] yes you should leave a little bit of free space [21:28] to work with [21:28] gparted takes care of that by itself doesn't it? [21:28] sda3 is 40gb and is using like 10gb roughly [21:29] should I just leave 5gb free space on the end of those 2 ntfs partitions [21:29] and expand Linux into the available [21:29] that'd work fine [21:29] ok if 5gb works im happy [21:31] do you know what all those unknown partitions are? [21:31] lots of space is going to them [21:31] no [21:31] I wonder if they are swap partitions [21:32] its ubuntu 12.10 [21:32] fwiw, file is quite good at figuring that out. eg, file -s /dev/sda1 [21:33] shauno: just says they are all "data" [21:33] I use that worryingly often to double-check which fs I'm about to nuke [21:33] they are inside Linuxes extended partition [21:33] Azelphur: sudo !! will gain you sudo access if you forgot to add sudo [21:34] only to the previous command [21:34] that's not a good sign. I've not run up against a filesystem file won't identify [21:34] fun [21:34] well we dunno what they are [21:34] there's just a bunch of 5.6GB partitions there, all unknown [21:34] that's a lot of space to eat [21:35] Azelphur: i am banned from the usa so perhaps its something the government put there :P [21:35] lol [21:35] lol [21:35] dub_: do you use anything funky like truecrypt or something that would create all these weird partitions? [21:35] nope [21:36] wait [21:36] all those ones with the (!) they are unknown and 5.6GB a pop [21:36] dsnsec? [21:36] so that's 25GB that you could regain [21:36] nah, not dnssec [21:36] i have reinstalled ubuntu from livecds a few times [21:36] yea [21:36] this makes me think they are all swap [21:36] lemme check something [21:37] yep [21:37] they are all Linux swaps [21:37] we can delete those and get you another 25GB \o/ [21:38] any chance you could divide that and give it to the windows partitions then or would that mean starting again? [21:38] lol [21:39] **evil** [21:39] hehe [21:39] how you want it laid out then? [21:39] oh and dont delete them ****all**** else linux wont work :P [21:40] i guess so [21:40] Linux would work fine without all of them [21:40] but yea, keep one [21:40] look on the bright side we now understand what weare doing ***high fives*** [21:40] lol [21:41] indeed \o/ [21:41] dub_: I'll let you pick partition sizes shall I? [21:41] nope [21:41] lol [21:41] don't you know what sizes you want? [21:41] i haz dyscalclia [21:41] ah :P [21:42] i want windows and linux to work with lix being the main os [21:42] linux* [21:42] so you just want to give windows enough space to boot up and nothing else [21:42] and Linux to take all the rest? [21:42] boot and update [21:42] ok, so you actually wanna use Windows [21:42] best to leave it with a sane amount of space then [21:43] well i dont know what i am going to do with windows but right now the lack of knowlege about what i am going to do with windows would indicate a good idea to plan ahead [21:43] :P [21:43] the ability to do [21:44] is a good thing [21:44] ok [21:44] I'll leave windows with 20GB overhead then, you can increase it later if needed. [21:44] ok [21:46] that look good? [21:46] Sweet as a vegan apple pie [21:46] thanks [21:46] there is still one unknown there [21:47] that unknown is a swap partition [21:47] so you want one, really [21:47] just not 5 ;) [21:47] so there is EXT4 extended and unknown [21:47] yep, and unknown is swap. [21:47] ok [21:47] thank you [21:47] it might cause your system not to boot as the big warning messages said [21:47] but if that happens we can fix it in a livecd [21:47] safe to write these now? [21:48] I'd say so, yep :) [21:48] it looks good to me [21:48] wanna watch? [21:48] * Azelphur puts feet up [21:49] I saw that :P [21:50] :) [21:51] anyway that's gonna take a while so I'll jump off vnc, let me know how it goes :) [21:51] ok [21:51] also I'm an internet veteran, there's not a whole lot on the internet that can make me blush :) [21:52] one cup of chocolate fondent and two girls laterand you are eating those words [21:52] seen it [21:52] lol [21:53] probably more times than you'd think possible [21:53] really? you where at my little sisters party [21:53] o.0 [21:53] lol [21:53] she stole a cup of fondent [21:53] we cought her and her friend eating it [21:54] :p [21:54] see all family friendly and in line with the ucc [21:55] indeed \o/ [21:55] whereas your mind.... === WillemTheMarxist is now known as GentileBen [22:45] dub_: any luck? [22:45] still working on the first bit /copying files. [22:45] :p [22:47] on the plus side i just ordered some new prayer cards :*) [22:48] :) [22:50] when is the next LTS out? Azelphur [22:51] 3 days [22:51] the next LTS [22:51] oh [22:51] that'll be 3 years-ish I think [22:51] or 2, probably be 14.04 [22:52] ok... so scobuntu then :P for when scotland is free from the oppression of the english :P [22:53] xD [22:53] I am, going to install ubuntu LTS as it seems stable and not be so impatient as to rush into things [22:54] hope this repartitioning goes well first [22:55] dub_: but then you get old things :P [22:55] yes old things that are stable, safe, secure and umm lvm [22:55] encrypted [22:56] * dub_ deals with the usa and china often [22:57] Azelphur: you work for canonical? [22:58] nope [22:59] ok. [23:00] Azelphur: its moved /dev/sda2 to the left and shrank it from 128 to 74 [23:00] full disk encryption with dm-crypt (luks) & lvm is readily available in the quantal installer though ;-) [23:00] :) [23:01]