[00:16] <snap-l> Good evening
[00:20] <jjesse-home> evenin
[00:22] <jjesse-home> whats the weather like on the east side of the state? we had some massive wind come through about 2 hoursago
[00:28] <snap-l> Wow, the Windows 8 box looks like a nervous breakdown
[00:28] <snap-l> http://www.staples.com/Pre-Sale-Windows-8-Pro-Pack-for-Windows-1-User-Boxed/product_990157
[00:29] <snap-l> http://www.staples.com/Pre-Sale-Windows-8-Pro-for-Windows-1-User-Boxed/product_990156
[00:40] <rick_h_> yea, lots of wind and on/off again rain
[00:40] <rick_h_> but pleasant temp, had the garage open for some tool sharpening time just now
[02:28] <snap-l> http://mefistofelis.bandcamp.com/
[02:29] <snap-l> I feel for their parents
[02:29] <snap-l> I hope they practice more.
[11:25] <snap-l> http://www.musicmanumit.com/2012/10/a-creative-common-debate-121014-music.html
[11:26] <snap-l> Discussion with me about the -C and -ND debate from Creative Commons, and why I think they're still relevant. Also we talk about the public domain.
[11:26] <rick_h_> well I had give up hope anyway, but still :( http://goo.gl/RpYnQ
[11:27] <snap-l> Yeah, unfortunately it was a niche product
[11:27] <snap-l> but saying it's too big is stupid.
[11:27] <snap-l> when Amazon has a 10" in the works.
[11:28] <snap-l> er, not Amazon, Samsung does.
[12:32] <brousch> Ug, Monday
[12:32] <rick_h_> pretty much
[12:47] <snap-l> Good morin
[12:47] <snap-l> Wow, that was messed up. :)
[13:10] <brousch> Ah damnit. I'm a dumbass. Next Monday the GRWebDev is having a meeting. The topic is different kinds of hosting and related stuff, and I didn't even ask jcastro_ if he'd like to come talk about Juju and Charms
[13:14] <jcastro_> it's ok
[13:15] <jcastro_> I don't have a car anyway. :)
[13:15] <snap-l> jcastro_: correct yourself
[13:15] <jcastro_> I need money
[13:15] <snap-l> We're going to drag you out to talk about 12.10 at the next MUG
[13:15] <snap-l> and I'd hate to have to rent a helicopter.
[13:15] <jcastro_> oh that's fine
[13:16] <snap-l> jcastro_: Think you could make it out, or do you need someone to pick you up?
[13:16] <brousch> No car? In Michigan?
[13:17] <snap-l> brousch: Yeah, it's like being in Michigan without a car. Sacrilege.
[13:17]  * snap-l notes that when he was working at home, we were a one-car family
[13:17] <snap-l> had to borrow my parents car to get places when JoDee had the car.
[13:59]  * snap-l found a label called "Open Metal Records"
[14:00] <snap-l> http://openmetalrecords.weebly.com/
[17:16] <rick_h_> bwuhahahaha https://twitter.com/widox/status/257890758235938816
[17:16] <rick_h_> widox: looks good!
[17:17] <widox> rick_h_: :D thanks
[17:18] <brousch> I should just pain those on
[17:19] <brousch> paint
[17:24]  * dzho contemplates remapping minecraft movement to hjkl
[17:29] <rick_h_> dzho: you can't ever go wrong with vim-like shortcuts...never
[18:05] <snap-l> heh
[18:10] <rick_h_> lmfao https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A5Q73juCYAEJrF2.jpg
[18:10] <rick_h_> if that's real...
[18:16] <snap-l> I go faster than the speed of light whenever I eat at taco bell
[18:17] <brousch> I save energy and just travel faster than the speed of smell
[18:32] <snap-l> greg-g: btw: not sure if you saw, but I talk about the CC -ND / -NC clauses in the latest Music Manumit podcast.
[18:33] <snap-l> http://www.musicmanumit.com/2012/10/a-creative-common-debate-121014-music.html
[18:37] <greg-g> oh yeah, I saw, but didn't listen
[18:38] <snap-l> I think it turned out pretty well. Made the case for keeping -NC and -ND for a while longer
[18:39] <greg-g> well, then that's not very good at all! </troll>
[18:39] <snap-l> heh
[18:39] <greg-g> :)
[18:39] <snap-l> We also dip into the Public Domain
[18:40] <jcastro_> rick_h_: nice
[18:40] <jcastro_> so, it rained
[18:40] <jcastro_> and my lawn started settling
[18:40] <jcastro_> I have like, place to fill up now
[18:40] <rick_h_> jcastro_: cool
[18:40] <rick_h_> jcastro_: was going to bug you to hit up the woodworking meeting thurs but looks like something came up :(
[18:41] <jcastro_> I can't tell you how excited I am to have to buy my first ... wheelbarrow
[18:41] <rick_h_> lol
[18:41] <greg-g> jcastro_: DUDE!
[18:41]  * greg-g is jealous
[18:41] <rick_h_> those things are pricier than you think!
[18:41] <snap-l> This too shall pass
[18:41] <rick_h_> https://plus.google.com/u/0/116120911388966791792/posts/i1vT9YBGMXm
[18:41] <jcastro_> rick_h_: I saw
[18:41] <jcastro_> I recommend doubling up
[18:41] <jcastro_> and selling the extra one to your friend(s)
[18:41] <rick_h_> jcastro_: hah!
[18:42] <greg-g> what is the project?
[18:42] <rick_h_> https://www.dropbox.com/s/j8dgjquv39fyxkl/dn1068-bedside-table.pdf is the project
[18:42] <rick_h_> brousch: ^^
[18:42] <rick_h_> paid for plans so don't want to share them in public G+
[18:43] <rick_h_> so going to do a pair of those
[18:43] <rick_h_> but made with hand tools
[18:44] <snap-l> nice
[18:45] <greg-g> very cool
[18:45] <brousch> their wood looks fake
[18:45] <rick_h_> it's cherry
[18:45] <rick_h_> aged cherry is nice, but the wife wants walnut
[18:45] <rick_h_> with white maple for the top/drawer top
[18:46] <rick_h_> <3 combining walnut and maple https://www.finewoodworking.com/assets/uploads/posts/3946/WalnutMaple_Chest.jpg
[18:46] <brousch> So your philosophy is automate all the computer things, but hand-tool all the wood things?
[18:46] <rick_h_> heh, pretty much. Need to build things with my hands in my spare time
[18:46] <greg-g> sounds fair
[18:54] <jcastro_> hey snap-l
[18:54] <jcastro_> https://www.linux.com/news/special-feature/linux-developers/650969-30-linux-kernel-developers-in-30-weeks-chuck-lever
[18:54] <jcastro_> boom
[18:54] <jcastro_> he's local to MI
[18:55] <snap-l> Oh, very cool.
[18:55] <jcastro_> go get him craig
[19:05] <brousch> rick_h_: What is this freetime you speak of?
[19:06] <rick_h_> brousch: when the boy goes to bed
[19:06] <rick_h_> though actually I've been letting him come out with me
[19:06] <rick_h_> using hand tools he can be in the shop, but it's distracting so not a lot of work gets done
[19:14] <greg-g> good point re hand tools
[19:15] <greg-g> (and the boy can be in there, versus highly dangerous spinning blades of death)
[19:17] <jcastro_> the boy
[19:17] <rick_h_> yep, the boy
[19:19] <greg-g> Rowan is going to need a hobby like wood working (something he can concentrate heavily on with his hands)
[19:19] <rick_h_> greg-g: http://ubuntuone.com/5IiJVxkZusrNYJdwoEWt6t
[19:20] <rick_h_> I got a little bench for him to use, has a little vise and gave me a small dead blow hammer to bang on
[19:20] <rick_h_> only trouble now is that he sees me working with hand saws and that one's a two person use tool for him. Don't let him run around wit those
[19:23] <greg-g> rick_h_: that is a great photo
[19:23] <rick_h_> my wife's got a couple on the camera of him sitting on the bench 'helping' me in my shop apron sawing some parts.
[19:31] <greg-g> awesome :)
[19:39] <brousch> Hehe big helper