[04:58] <KilosU> morning guys
[05:31] <KilosU> hey Squirm 
[05:46] <KilosU> good news superfly booted this morning ran
[05:46] <KilosU> echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
[05:46] <KilosU> iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp+ -j MASQUERADE
[05:47] <KilosU> and had to do this again sudo route add default gw 192.168.1.1
[05:48] <KilosU> and pc2 is online
[05:48] <KilosU> w00000t
[05:48] <KilosU> seems like a reboot is required somewhere in all that
[05:51] <KilosU> Kerbero, relax
[05:55] <inetpro> good mornings
[05:56] <KilosU> hi inetpro 
[05:56] <Muffit> dag goosie
[05:56] <inetpro> hmm....
[05:56] <inetpro> Muffit == KilosU ?
[05:57] <KilosU> my sussie se hdd
[05:57] <KilosU> hehe
[05:57] <inetpro> KilosU: jy meen jou sussie se PC
[05:57] <inetpro> jy confuse ons met jou gepratery van 'n HDD
[05:58] <inetpro> 'n HDD kan nie op sy eis werk nie
[05:58] <KilosU> haar pc is winsuig dis die hardeskyf wat ek vir haar gedoen het met maverick
[05:58] <KilosU> in my ander pc
[05:58] <inetpro> ja ja
[05:58] <KilosU> hehe
[05:58] <inetpro> steeds die ander PC nie die HDD nie
[05:59] <inetpro> HDD is irrelevant
[05:59] <KilosU> as ek nou net goeie speletjies vir haar kan opsit sal sy vensters los
[05:59] <inetpro> kan net sowel vanaf memory loop
[05:59] <KilosU> sy speel elke dag AOE2
[06:00] <KilosU> om die dag se werk te vergeet
[06:01]  * Muffit greets #ubuntu-za
[06:01] <Muffit> remember me guys
[06:02] <Muffit> I am Kilos's sister
[06:02] <KilosU> hiya maiatoday meeting tonight hey
[06:02] <maiatoday> hi KilosU
[06:03] <maiatoday> I'll try make it :)
[06:03] <inetpro> hi maiatoday
[06:03] <inetpro> time for you to take the minutes again
[06:03] <maiatoday> hi inetpro
[06:03] <KilosU> please do maiatoday we miss you you know
[06:03] <maiatoday> sorry, I miss you guys too
[06:04] <KilosU> inetpro, both pc's working through 3g
[06:04] <KilosU> yay
[06:04] <KilosU> dont ask how because i dunno
[06:08]  * KilosU making spaghetti bolognaise for tonight
[06:08] <inetpro> KilosU: well done
[06:09] <KilosU> ty sir
[06:09] <KilosU> i can do anything with a little help from my friends
[06:10] <inetpro> KilosU: just be aware that you're not using standard methods of connecting two PC's to the web
[06:10] <KilosU> I'll get by with a little help from my friends
[06:10] <inetpro> typically a router/switch would be involved to make your life a lot easier
[06:11] <KilosU> whew tell me about it. ive installed gadmin and samba and arno
[06:11] <inetpro> you basically made your main PC to be a router, not something the average guy does 
[06:11] <KilosU> and then uninstalled them but still got arno that didnt work before
[06:12] <KilosU> yeah but im so happy. scared to switch off tonight
[06:12] <inetpro> it's a good learning exercise
[06:12] <inetpro> I guess it's not even something the average guy would ever do
[06:13] <KilosU> only prob one doesnt get to do it repeatedly to get the method into subconscious
[06:13] <KilosU> so did felix break the sound barrier
[06:13] <KilosU> ?
[06:14] <inetpro> KilosU: yep
[06:14] <KilosU> wonderful
[06:15] <inetpro> fell 119,846 ft before his parachute opened, 1348 km/h, Mach 1.24
[06:15] <KilosU> wow
[06:16] <KilosU> have you got a pic of what his rig looked like. surely not open face with pipes for air
[06:16] <inetpro> he was very close to being in trouble with his uncontrolled tumbling in all directions
[06:16] <KilosU> eish
[06:18] <KilosU> hi queery meeting tonight
[06:23] <superfly> KilosU: good to hear
[06:25] <KilosU> now just have to work out how to do the same on kde
[06:25] <KilosU> not today though
[06:33] <superfly> KilosU: if you did it on the command line, it is identical
[06:34] <KilosU> i just dunno whats actually working. arno or iptables
[06:34] <KilosU> but happy anyway
[06:48] <zeref> superfly: thanks for the help with the sqlite problem :)
[06:48] <superfly> zeref: did it work?
[06:49] <zeref> yep, database is been updated
[06:49] <zeref> wait, is it being or been???
[06:50] <sakhi> Morning
[06:58] <KilosU> hi zeref sakhi 
[06:59] <KilosU> zeref, at the moment is being , been is already done
[06:59] <KilosU> hi SmilyBorg_w 
[07:00] <SmilyBorg_w> Hey there
[07:28] <charlvn> good morning
[07:28] <charlvn> Maaz: coffee on
[07:28]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[07:29] <KilosU> lo charlvn 
[07:29] <KilosU> Maaz, coffee please
[07:29] <Maaz> KilosU: Sure
[07:32] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charlvn and KilosU!
[07:33] <KilosU> Maaz, ty
[07:33] <Maaz> You are welcome KilosU
[07:39] <charlvn> Maaz: thanks
[07:39] <Maaz> charlvn: No problem
[07:39] <charlvn> hi KilosU 
[08:08] <charlvn> i am busy installing the beta2 of 12.10 inside vmware
[08:09] <charlvn> so far so good, except one problem: the live cd didn't reboot properly after the install so i had to manually power down the vm
[08:09] <charlvn> but after booting it back up again it's working fine
[08:10] <charlvn> another weird thing is that i have a floppy disk icon in the left menu even though i don't have a floppy drive on this vm
[08:10] <KilosU> lol
[08:10] <charlvn> besides, who still uses floppies?!
[08:11] <KilosU> they seem to be useful if you wanna update bios
[08:11] <charlvn> they don't even sell them anymore - this workstation of mine is 4 years old and it doesn't even have a floppy drive
[08:11] <tonberryE352> most new bios updaters have flash boot support as far as i know
[08:12] <charlvn> they have to - you don't get floppy drives anymore. :)
[08:13] <KilosU> on my pc it says save the update to floppy before flashing
[08:14] <charlvn> KilosU: where do you buy the floppies? from a museum? :)
[08:14] <KilosU> i got quite a few
[08:14] <tonberryE352> the image that came to mind
[08:14] <KilosU> you want some?
[08:14] <tonberryE352> picture of indiana jones holding a floppy and saying "This belongs in a museum!"
[08:15] <KilosU> i started here on a old 486 and nearly everything was on floppy
[08:15] <KilosU> hehe Tonberry 
[08:16] <KilosU> with old pcs and using winsucks you need floppy to install software to make cdrom seen
[08:16] <charlvn> well my first computer was an intel 80188 and it only had the old 5,25 inch floppies
[08:16] <KilosU> those were floppies
[08:16] <charlvn> i remember i used to do that even on my mom's old pentium 1
[08:16] <KilosU> these small ones are actually stiffies
[08:16] <charlvn> first install dos, then install cd drivers, then windows
[08:17] <charlvn> yeah but people only call them stiffies in south africa
[08:17] <charlvn> overseas it's considered rude ;)
[08:17] <KilosU> yip i remeber the dos installs
[08:17] <KilosU> whew
[08:17] <KilosU> ah
[08:17] <charlvn> internationally stiffies are known as 3,5 inch floppies
[08:17] <charlvn> even though they aren't floppy at all :)
[08:17] <KilosU> lol
[08:17] <charlvn> actually the whole floppy / stiffie naming is quite gross :P
[08:18] <charlvn> you come to a noob and ask "do you have a floppy" and they get irritated with you
[08:19] <KilosU> lol
[08:19] <KilosU> modern peeps have dirty minds
[08:20] <tonberryE352> minds have been dirty long before I was born
[08:20] <charlvn> yup :D
[08:20] <KilosU> lol
[08:26] <charlvn> bbl work
[08:31] <KilosU> hi DigiGram 
[08:31] <DigiGram> hi KilosU
[09:41] <KilosU> hi drussell new week on the way hey
[09:41] <KilosU> never ends
[09:42] <drussell> KilosU: Yup, Monday comes round all too quickly ;o) You have a good weekend?
[09:42] <KilosU> yes ty drussell and you?
[09:42] <drussell> KilosU: great thanks! though always too short :o)
[09:43] <KilosU> lol
[09:43] <KilosU> one needs longer weekends to recover from the long weeks
[09:56] <KilosT> hmm
[09:56] <KilosU> im expanding
[09:57] <DigiGram> lol whats next?
[09:57] <KilosT> this be from tinycorelinux
[09:57] <DigiGram> ah, that, I though next will be KilosS
[10:00] <KilosU> for?
[10:01] <DigiGram> well, first it was U, the T, so if S was next, you will be going down to A
[10:01] <DigiGram> but now I presume U is for Ubuntu
[10:01] <DigiGram> so install slackware and you are on your way lol
[10:01] <KilosT> U is for Unity
[10:01] <KilosT> K is for kde
[10:02] <DigiGram> ah
[10:02] <DigiGram> didn't see the K one
[10:02] <KilosU> lol i dont yet get soung when on irc so cant hear you guys
[10:02] <KilosU> sound
[10:03] <KilosU> tried quassel and xchat on kde, sigh, no sound
[10:16] <KilosU> nice linux to use on very old pcs
[10:16] <KilosU> minimal requirements
[10:17] <KilosU> full running OS with xchat pidgin midori and updated all on a 1g drive
[10:18] <KilosU> havent worked out how to see disk usage yet
[10:18] <DigiGram> gkrellm
[10:19] <KilosU> ?
[10:19] <DigiGram> gkrellm shows disk usage
[10:19] <KilosU> oh ty
[10:20] <KilosU> can even have multiple desktops
[10:20] <KilosU> hehe
[10:20] <KilosU> nuvolari, ping
[10:21] <KilosU> hi Banlam bakuman 
[10:21] <bakuman> hi KilosU 
[10:21] <KilosU> if yous are greeted directly you just lurk
[10:21] <KilosU> arent
[10:21] <KilosU> and bmg505 
[10:21] <bakuman> haha, but I am here to lurk
[10:22] <KilosU> haha
[10:22] <KilosU> meeting tonight hey
[10:23] <bakuman> where can I see the agenda?
[10:29] <charlvn> oh yes we have a meeting tonight right? nice
[10:34] <KilosU> sec
[10:34] <KilosU> http://bit.ly/SKJR0j 
[10:35] <KilosU> sorry i took so long was checking tonights supper
[10:35] <KilosU> bakuman, dont you follow us on twitter @ubuntuza
[10:37] <KilosU> oh my, inetpro is that the right agenda up here?
[10:37] <KilosU> if so i sent wrong one to twit place
[10:40] <KilosU> superfly, can you remind sflr please thunderbird dont make lekker backups of email addys like evolution did
[10:40] <superfly> KilosU: remind about what?
[10:41] <KilosU> and im scared to switch off
[10:41] <KilosU> tonights meeting
[10:41] <KilosU> oh and im still waiting for a mail from your company
[10:43] <bakuman> KilosU i don't twitter much
[10:43] <bakuman> but g+...
[10:43] <KilosU> aw bakuman will get the pro to g+ it
[10:44] <bakuman> hehe
[10:44] <KilosU> what about emails bakuman 
[10:44] <KilosU> g+ eats data
[10:44] <bakuman> i check my mails
[10:44] <KilosU> are you on our lists
[10:45] <DigiGram> I still need to get the hang of g+
[10:45] <KilosU> ubuntu-za@lists.ubuntu.com
[10:49] <DigiGram> do any of you guys have good and cheap ADSL routers to recommend?
[10:50] <Squirm> afternoon
[10:50] <KilosU> hi Squirm 
[10:51] <KilosU> what you wanna do DigiGram ?
[10:51] <KilosU> for wqork?
[10:51] <KilosU> work?
[10:52] <DigiGram> I'm getting ADSL at home, so I want an ADSL modem, but one with WiFi
[10:52] <DigiGram> I see they still sell some without wifi
[10:53] <Squirm> hmmm
[10:53] <Squirm> I would recommend a Netgear
[10:53] <Squirm> not cheap, but it should last you quite a while
[10:54] <DigiGram> Just got that recommendation from someone else as well
[10:54] <DigiGram> I don't know the brands, and after I've used some D-Link gear at work, thats a no-go
[10:54] <Squirm> I used to supply the DGN1000
[10:54] <Squirm> at cost from a supplier it was about R700
[10:55] <Squirm> but I've had no returns
[10:55] <DigiGram> to get it going I'll get an el-cheapo, that I can keep as a spare later on
[10:57] <KilosU> DigiGram, how many pcs you wanna couple
[10:58] <DigiGram> Main HTPC can go via ethernet or wifi, laptop and room HTPC via wifi, and then 2 or 3 phones and iPad. On occasion another laptop or so
[10:58] <Squirm> maybe look for a Trendnet modem? we use a few Trendnet products and they're reasonable. Haven't really had any issues with their switches/media converters/AP's
[10:58] <DigiGram> will have a look thanx
[11:00] <Squirm> we get them from a supplier. but I think I've seen the routers in somwhere like Incredible Corruption. So you could find it on the shelf somewhere
[11:00] <tonberryE352> just whatever you do, stay away from tenda
[11:00] <DigiGram> ooh, takealot sells Trendnt
[11:00] <DigiGram> *trendnet
[11:10] <DigiGram> Netgear N150 DGN1000 WIRELESS ADSL2 + MODEM ROUTER for R599 looks good
[11:11] <DigiGram> or TrendNET 300Mbps for R507
[11:11] <DigiGram> maybe a better deal
[11:24] <KilosU> yo amanica 
[11:24] <KilosU> meeting tonight
[11:25] <KilosU> superfly, humour as in funny is spelt how
[11:25] <KilosU> Maaz, spell humour
[11:25] <Maaz> KilosU: That seems correct. Carry on
[11:26] <amanica> KilosU: yip, that's why I started up my irc client so long :)  if I'm a little late I can at least catch up :)
[11:26] <KilosU> lol
[11:47] <queery> hi oom KilosU Ill be there I think
[11:48] <KilosU> good
[11:58] <queery> who will be running the meeting?
[12:07] <Squirm> DigiGram: personally, I like the Negears
[12:07] <Squirm> Netgear
[12:07] <DigiGram> I'll have a look Squirm
[12:07] <DigiGram> but if the Trendnet will keep up, then I don't mind
[12:08] <DigiGram> obviously if it only allows 2 wifi devices or something stupid like that, then I'll rather spend more
[12:08] <KilosU> so far i think magespawn and/or inetpro 
[12:09] <KilosU> nuvolari, is house hunting
[12:10] <inetpro> KilosU: hmm...
[12:10] <KilosU> hehe
[12:10] <KilosU> why you offering queery ?
[12:11] <inetpro> why you telling people about the right agenda, is there a wrong agenda as well?
[12:11] <KilosU> i think i sent the wrong one last time inetpro 
[12:11] <inetpro> KilosU: last time?
[12:11] <KilosU> last week
[12:11] <inetpro> KilosU: no you didn't
[12:12] <KilosU> musta sent it before you changed it
[12:12] <KilosU> oh my
[12:12] <KilosU> i take back my apology then
[12:13] <KilosU> inetpro, will you announce the meet on g+ too?
[12:13] <inetpro> KilosU: that was done long ago
[12:13] <KilosU> peeps forget
[12:13] <inetpro> booked as an event
[12:13] <KilosU> oh
[12:14] <KilosU> me dunno events
[12:14] <KilosU> only even here is 2 pcs one one 3g without router
[12:14] <KilosU> major event
[12:14] <inetpro> something like https://plus.google.com/112877206374340387802/posts
[12:15] <KilosU> we need more peeps here
[12:15] <KilosU> you see inna mail charles irons thinks he has nothing to contribute because hes old
[12:16] <KilosU> he needs encouragement
[12:16] <inetpro> KilosU: I have a day job
[12:16] <KilosU> ja man
[12:16] <KilosU> but you only start when others go home
[12:16]  * KilosU ducks
[12:16] <inetpro> lol
[12:17] <KilosU> hehe
[12:20] <queery> oom KilosU i dont think so, dont know all the commands yet
[12:20] <KilosU> lol
[12:21] <KilosU> maiatoday, will teach everyone
[12:24] <queery> maiatoday: are you arrending?
[12:42] <KilosU> hmm someone else needs to look where the keys are
[12:44] <maiatoday> queery: I will try to attend
[12:45] <Kerbero> ahh maiatoday is here \o/
[13:11] <zeref> hmmmm
[13:12] <zeref> ummm, can you add an exception for a particular string in python, using try... except...?
[13:14] <DigiGram> what would you like to achieve?
[13:52] <charlvn> good afternoon
[13:52] <charlvn> crazy day
[13:52] <charlvn> Maaz: coffee on
[13:52]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[13:53] <DigiGram> Maaz, coffee please
[13:53] <Maaz> DigiGram: Done
[13:56] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charlvn and DigiGram!
[13:56] <DigiGram> thanx Maaz 
[14:01] <KilosU> Maaz, announce Meeting here tonight @ 19.30. Don't be late
[14:01] <Maaz> Hear ye, hear ye! Meeting here tonight @ 19.30. Don't be late
[14:08] <Kilos> thats for those that cant use tab complete at tonights meeting
[14:08] <nuvolari> pong
[14:08]  * nuvolari lost track of reality
[14:08] <nuvolari> I saw my name was called
[14:08] <Kilos> nuvolari, is jy ok seun?
[14:08]  * nuvolari searches
[14:08] <nuvolari> halfpad oom
[14:09] <nuvolari> baie werk
[14:09] <Kilos> stoel jy vanaand?
[14:09] <Kilos> hehe
[14:09] <nuvolari> is reg oom
[14:09] <nuvolari> hoe laat?
[14:09] <charlvn> Maaz: thanks
[14:09] <Maaz> charlvn: Sure
[14:09]  * nuvolari het niks prep onder hande nie
[14:09] <Kilos> mooi dankie seun sien jou hier
[14:09] <nuvolari> hoe laat oom?
[14:10] <Kilos> jy het n paar hure om te dink
[14:10] <Kilos> 19.30
[14:11] <Kilos> http://bit.ly/SKJR0j
[14:11] <Kilos> daar is die agenda
[14:11] <Kilos> oh my is it same in english and afrikaans?
[14:14] <Kilos> lol the poor kid didnt know who pinged him
[14:14] <Kilos> SmilyBorg, meeting tonight
[14:14] <Kilos> tumbleweed, you gonna attend?
[14:14] <SmilyBorg> Thanks Kilos. It's on my calendar
[14:15] <Kilos> calenders only work if one looks at them now and again
[14:15] <Kilos> or is yours like an alarm clock
[14:15] <SmilyBorg> mine notifies me 15 minutes before an event
[14:15] <SmilyBorg> on my phone, pc, etc
[14:16] <Kilos> ah thats nice
[14:16] <SmilyBorg> Android + google calendar is pretty awesome
[14:17] <Kilos> plustwo, you here lurking?
[14:17] <Kilos> SubOracle, you too
[14:17] <tumbleweed> Kilos: sure, suppose so
[14:17] <Kilos> ty tumbleweed 
[14:18]  * plustwo just got up...
[14:18] <Kilos> wow
[14:18] <Kilos> what country you in?
[14:20] <plustwo> somalia... oom!
[14:21] <Kilos> hehe do you work nightshift
[14:21] <plustwo> sort of, yes
[14:21] <Kilos> ah
[14:22] <Kilos> so are you attending tonights meet lad?
[14:23] <plustwo> yep, will get on the truck to a strnger signal are. but surely will be attending oom
[14:23] <Kilos> good
[15:58] <zeref> ...
[16:57] <queery> Maaz: coffee on
[16:57]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[16:58] <queery> Maaz: coffee for all
[16:58] <Maaz> Come on ya buncha geeks. Rock up with your mugs with the correct amount of sugar added already
[17:01] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for queery!
[17:01] <queery> Maaz: ty
[17:01] <Maaz> You are welcome queery
[17:03] <hubx> Hi there
[17:05] <nuvolari> :O need to prepare for the meeting
[17:05] <nuvolari> oh hi hubx 
[17:05] <nuvolari> howdy queery, smilE, oom Kilos 
[17:06] <smilE> hi nuvolari :p
[17:07] <nuvolari> wait... something is wrong with the previous meeting minutes
[17:07] <queery> hi nuvolari
[17:07] <nuvolari> it's for august
[17:07] <hubx> I'm recently moved to ZA. Do you guys if there is a way for delta updates. The time it takes to upgrade...its so slow :(
[17:07] <nuvolari> oom Kilos, are you around?
[17:08] <nuvolari> hubx: no idea, but are you using local mirrors?
[17:08] <queery> Maaz: seen Kilos
[17:08] <Maaz> queery: Kilos was last seen 2 hours, 45 minutes and 7 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2012-10-15 07:23:28 PDT], and has been online on freenode since 2012-10-15 07:07:52 PDT
[17:08] <nuvolari> hubx: we're having a meeting tonight, you're welcome to stay for the meeting
[17:08] <Kilos> just eating quick
[17:09] <nuvolari> oh, and welcome to #ubuntu-za hubx :)
[17:09] <nuvolari> oom Kilos, did the meeting go through last time?
[17:09] <hubx> nuvolari, oh cool I will.
[17:10] <hubx> yes I think so, I changed all entries in /etc/apt/source.list to za.archive.ubuntu.com/*
[17:10] <hubx> *sources.list
[17:13] <hubx> alright, nothing new on the delta upgrade side. Still a blueprint. I think I read first about it in 2006. :(
[17:13] <superfly> hubx: debian packages do not officially support deltas
[17:15] <hubx> yeah well, apple does :D
[17:15] <nuvolari> sheesh :-/ loco.ubuntu.com's meetings are a mess for us
[17:15] <nuvolari> I can't find any recent meeting pages :P
[17:15] <hubx> nuvolari, http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/491/detail/
[17:16] <nuvolari> why I'm a fan of cats: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-CnwsN75zSOc/UHwwKDkuHvI/AAAAAAAAK8I/D6t1TbczYyU/w442-h331/bvcfgtr4e.gif
[17:16] <nuvolari> :P
[17:16] <nuvolari> hubx: I'm after the past events
[17:17] <hubx> nuvolari, k sorry
[17:17] <magespawn> evening all
[17:21] <charlvn> good evening
[17:22] <Kilos> hi guys sorry but food was lekker
[17:22] <nuvolari> hi magespawn, charlvn 
[17:23] <nuvolari> no problem hubx :)
[17:23] <magespawn> hey nuvolari Kilos
[17:23] <Kilos> we need someone to host a deb-delta server then we will have delta upgrades
[17:23] <magespawn> nuvolari: you going to chair?
[17:23] <Kilos> hi hubx 
[17:23] <Kilos> hey magespawn 
[17:23] <queery> nuvolari: Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2012-09-17-17-36-44.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2012-09-17-17-36-44.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2012-09-17-17-36-44.html
[17:23] <charlvn> hi nuvolari 
[17:24] <Kilos> hubx, why havent you visited before
[17:24] <nuvolari> thanks a million queery 
[17:24] <queery> no prob
[17:25] <nuvolari> magespawn: before I forget, are you available next weekend for the release party?
[17:25] <Kilos> hi smilE 
[17:25] <Kilos> hehe
[17:26] <Kilos> hi not_found 
[17:26] <smilE> :p
[17:26] <magespawn> no i won't be able to get down nuvolari 
[17:26] <hubx> Kilos, visited where? Here in IRC? Just been here for 2 weeks. ;)
[17:26] <smilE> raspberry pi gets 512 megabyte ram :) isn't that cool :p
[17:26] <not_found> hi uncle Kilos ... about to go SS&S... working tomorow so sorry about the meeting
[17:26] <Kilos> here by us hubx 
[17:26] <nuvolari> meh :-/ ok
[17:26] <nuvolari> next time magespawn 
[17:26] <nuvolari> howdy not_found 
[17:26] <not_found> hi nuvolari 
[17:26] <nuvolari> ok, go rest well :)
[17:26] <magespawn> if things change i will let you know
[17:27] <Kilos> ok not_found  just login and get mins morrow
[17:27] <nuvolari> great stuff magespawn 
[17:27]  * nuvolari cross his fingers
[17:27] <not_found> however for you guys I will stick it out until 10 (8 there)
[17:27] <hubx> Kilos, where is that exactly :) ?
[17:27] <Kilos> #ubuntu-za hubx 
[17:27] <Kilos> we all hang out here
[17:28] <queery> oom Kilos hubx is new to SA
[17:28] <Kilos> nuvolari, can you add to agenda
[17:28] <inetpro> .
[17:28] <Kilos> oh my goodness, welcome hubx 
[17:28] <nuvolari> oh dear, maaz forgot about me
[17:28] <hubx> :)
[17:28] <Kilos> hi inetpro 
[17:28] <nuvolari> I don't see the meeting stuff available
[17:28] <nuvolari> howdy inetpro 
[17:28] <Kilos> i saw felix now on news
[17:28] <inetpro> meeting started?
[17:29] <inetpro> sorry that I'm late
[17:29] <Kilos> start nuvolari 
[17:29] <nuvolari> 2 minutes to go oom
[17:29] <Kilos> not yet inetpro 
[17:29] <Kilos> nee man
[17:29] <inetpro> ok cool
[17:29] <nuvolari> ok 30 seconds
[17:29] <Kilos> lol
[17:30] <nuvolari> Maaz: start meeting about Monthly IRC Meeting
[17:30]  * Maaz gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles
[17:30] <Kilos> inetpro, can you give nuvolari maaz permissions
[17:30] <queery> Maaz: i am Dewald Noeth
[17:30] <Maaz> queery: Sure
[17:30] <Kilos> oh his ready
[17:30] <nuvolari> I have them, just not part of the help for some reason
[17:30] <nuvolari> Maaz: I am Johan Mynhardt
[17:30] <Maaz> nuvolari: Okay
[17:30] <hubx> Maaz: I am Hubert Hesse
[17:30] <Maaz> hubx: Done
[17:30] <magespawn> Maaz: I am Greg Eames
[17:30] <Maaz> magespawn: Sure
[17:30] <charlvn> Maaz: i am Charl van Niekerk
[17:30] <Maaz> charlvn: Done
[17:30] <Kilos> Maaz, I am Miles Sharpe
[17:30] <Maaz> Kilos: Okay
[17:30] <not_found> Maaz, I am Neil Oosthuizen
[17:30] <Maaz> not_found: Yessir
[17:31] <nuvolari> Hi everyone, welcome to tonight's meeting
[17:31] <nuvolari> welcome zeref 
[17:31] <zeref> Hi guys
[17:31] <Kilos> superfly, you here?
[17:31] <Kilos> tumbleweed, ?
[17:31] <queery> Maaz: coffee on
[17:31]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[17:31] <inetpro> Maaz: I am Gustav H Meyer
[17:31] <Maaz> inetpro: Done
[17:31] <nuvolari> thanks for making the time to be here - I'm sure the year is just getting faster to the end
[17:31] <queery> Maaz: coffee for all
[17:31] <Maaz> Come on ya buncha geeks. Rock up with your mugs with the correct amount of sugar added already
[17:32] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[17:32] <Maaz> Kilos: Done
[17:32] <superfly> sorta
[17:32] <Kilos> tell the bot please superfly 
[17:32] <superfly> Maaz: I am Raoul Snyman
[17:32] <Maaz> superfly: Okay
[17:32] <inetpro> nuvolari: faster than a supersonic Felix?
[17:32] <nuvolari> welcome to our newest member, hubx 
[17:32] <Kilos> and keep an eye out on us
[17:32] <not_found> hi and welcome hubx 
[17:33]  * superfly has a baby to deal with
[17:33] <nuvolari> inetpro: indeed! I can't believe I'm planning my year end leave already
[17:33] <hubx> glad I could join :)
[17:33] <Kilos> thats fine superfly 
[17:33] <inetpro> nuvolari: true
[17:33] <nuvolari> yeah, family comes first
[17:33] <Kilos> use hands for baby and one eye for us
[17:33] <nuvolari> lol
[17:33] <nuvolari> ok, anyone want to mention something from the past meeting?
[17:34] <nuvolari> I wasn't able to make it, sorry for that
[17:34] <not_found> Me neither
[17:34] <nuvolari> and thanks to magespawn for running chair!
[17:34] <charlvn> me neither
[17:34] <magespawn> hope the notes make some sort of sense
[17:34] <magespawn> np
[17:34] <Kilos> ask magespawn was his first chair
[17:34] <nuvolari> eish, forgot the topic
[17:34] <not_found> lol
[17:34] <queery> not much went on
[17:34] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic close to end of welcoming
[17:34] <Maaz> Current Topic: close to end of welcoming
[17:35] <inetpro> nuvolari: I linked to the previous month in July http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/07/16/%23ubuntu-za.html#t17:30
[17:35] <inetpro> in the agenda
[17:35] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic review previous minutes
[17:35] <Maaz> Current Topic: review previous minutes
[17:35]  * not_found did updare the report with the MoM :p
[17:35] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for queery and Kilos!
[17:35] <queery> Maaz: ty
[17:35] <Maaz> You are welcome queery
[17:36] <Kilos> Maaz, danke
[17:36] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[17:36] <nuvolari> inetpro: I saw that, I struggled to find one for the actual last meeting. Should we rather review that one?
[17:36] <inetpro> maybe quickly look at http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2012-07-16-17-30-21.txt
[17:37] <hubx> what about that one: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2012-09-17-17-36-44.html
[17:37] <queery> much better
[17:37] <nuvolari> ok, so did we get release party info?
[17:37] <inetpro> hubx: ahh, I didn't even see that, thanks
[17:38] <nuvolari> we're quite busy for a party in durbs this time
[17:38] <not_found> I saw on the mailing list
[17:38] <hubx> found it on twitter: @ubuntuza
[17:38] <amanica> Maaz, I am Marius Kruger
[17:38] <Maaz> amanica: Okay
[17:38] <Kilos> and the gauteng guys
[17:38] <queery> I only have info from the JHB guys
[17:38] <nuvolari> welcome amanica 
[17:38] <queery> I know Durbs is trying but no info 
[17:38] <Kilos> haha i did something right
[17:38] <amanica> hi all
[17:38] <queery> Bloem is dead
[17:38] <nuvolari> hmm, release parties will be discussed under events
[17:38] <nuvolari> just checking minutes quickly
[17:38] <queery> CT - still waiting on maia and JP
[17:39] <nuvolari> bloem isn't dead, they just lack the knowledge of IRC and the will to join a bigger community
[17:39] <queery> I did ask maia for the contact list and got it and started to contact people
[17:39]  * tumbleweed waves
[17:39] <queery> haha
[17:39] <nuvolari> howdy tumbleweed 
[17:39] <queery> hi tumbleweed
[17:39] <inetpro> wb tumbleweed
[17:39] <queery> so are you throwing a release party tumbleweed
[17:39] <Kilos> hi tumbleweed 
[17:40] <tumbleweed> I'm not :)
[17:40] <tumbleweed> I was kind of hoping someone in stellenbosch would
[17:40] <queery> ai
[17:40] <not_found> :(
[17:40] <nuvolari> Bloem isn't so much for a community, they are like "we can do it better" in all the small groups :-/ I tried...
[17:40] <queery> Im trying to get maia and JP to organise something, but maia is a bit busy at this time
[17:40] <Tonberry> Maaz I am Hendrik van Wyk
[17:40] <Maaz> Tonberry: Alrighty
[17:40] <Kilos> hi Tonberry welcome
[17:40]  * inetpro excited about the Hack4house event in Centurion
[17:41] <Tonberry> dont think jp will make it to this meeting
[17:41] <queery> ahh Tonberry
[17:41] <inetpro> sadly I can't make it
[17:41] <nuvolari> SFD? that's past already?
[17:41] <queery> wil you inform him of my disappointment Tonberry
[17:41] <Tonberry> ok
[17:41] <queery> than
[17:41] <queery> x
[17:42] <nuvolari> anything anyone want to bring up from the last meeting?
[17:42] <nuvolari> welcome Vince-0 
[17:42] <queery> do you know if he has organised anything for the ubuntu release party?
[17:42] <queery> Tonberry: 
[17:42] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[17:42] <Vince-0> Haai
[17:42] <Tonberry> i dont think so
[17:42] <Kilos> Vince-0, tell the bot who you are
[17:43] <queery> "maaz I am insert name"
[17:43] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Administrativia & Announcements
[17:43] <Maaz> Current Topic: Administrativia & Announcements
[17:43] <Vince-0> Maaz: I'm Vince-0 but my friends call me Vincent
[17:43] <Maaz> Vince-0: Excuse me?
[17:43] <Vince-0> Maaz: I'm Vincent
[17:43] <Maaz> Vince-0: What?
[17:43] <Kilos> hehe
[17:43] <nuvolari> Vince-0: "I am"
[17:43] <hubx> yay, release party? Finally, an occasion where I can where my geek shirts ;)
[17:43] <Vince-0> Maaz: I am Vince-0 but my friends call me Vincent
[17:43] <Maaz> Vince-0: Yessir
[17:44] <Vince-0> Hello Maaz
[17:44] <nuvolari> hubx: you mean you can't wear it to work?
[17:44] <Vince-0> Maaz: you foolish bot
[17:44] <Maaz> Vince-0: *blink*
[17:44] <queery> hubx: what area are you in?
[17:44] <nuvolari> lol, my boss has a t-shirt: I'm not here to make friends"
[17:45] <nuvolari> .
[17:45] <nuvolari> awkward quietness
[17:45] <queery> haha
[17:45] <nuvolari> did I say something wrong?
[17:45] <Kilos> tumbleweed, you in the know. i dont know if maia is gonna have time to order cds
[17:45] <hubx> I'm working in Pretoria (Faerie Glen)
[17:45] <Kilos> or are they dvds now
[17:45] <queery> it's funny cause it's true...
[17:45] <magespawn> queery there is a party for durbs
[17:46] <magespawn> the details where mailed
[17:46] <Kilos> yay another Pta guy
[17:46] <tumbleweed> Kilos: if she isn't, then someone else should
[17:46] <queery> when, I never got details just that they are working on it
[17:46] <tumbleweed> I suggest someone mails her and asks
[17:46] <nuvolari> ok, so does not know about our twitter handle?
[17:46] <queery> hubx: there is a gausing party close to you
[17:46] <who_da_fly> something seriously wrong with my internet
[17:46] <Kilos> wb who_da_fly 
[17:47] <Kilos> uh oh
[17:47] <queery> she is not answering whatsapp
[17:47] <tumbleweed> then assume that she isn't organising anything
[17:47] <nuvolari> I miss @ubuntuza's tweets because there's so much noise these days :P 
[17:47] <inetpro> nuvolari: I guess we can say +1 to Kilos again for running that service for us
[17:47] <nuvolari> I need to trim down on everyone I follow
[17:48] <Kilos> queery, of topic some but later tell me how to get whatsapp on ubuntu please
[17:48]  * not_found hasn't checked twitter in ages because of that :/
[17:48] <queery> haha no idea...
[17:48] <nuvolari> Maaz: ++ Kilos for running @ubuntuza
[17:48] <Maaz> nuvolari: Excuse me?
[17:48] <nuvolari> c'mon maaz
[17:48] <Kilos> haha
[17:48] <inetpro> not_found: did you at least see the G+ event?
[17:49] <not_found> sure.. it spams me :p
[17:49] <queery> hubx: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-za/1999/detail/
[17:49] <nuvolari> Maaz: Kilos ++ for running @ubuntuza
[17:49] <Maaz> nuvolari: *blink*
[17:49] <inetpro> not_found: lol, I don't hink it's that bad 
[17:49] <nuvolari> hrrr
[17:49] <Kilos> hi Cantide 
[17:49] <inetpro> think*
[17:49] <Cantide> hello '-'
[17:49] <nuvolari> Maaz: karma for Kilos 
[17:49] <Maaz> nuvolari: Kilos has karma of 7
[17:49] <Kilos> tell the bot who you are Cantide 
[17:49] <Cantide> umm
[17:49] <queery> ok so Durban... please email me the details again
[17:50] <Cantide> how do i do that?
[17:50] <hubx> queery, yes I hope I can make it there :)
[17:50] <nuvolari> Maaz: kilos ++ [for running @ubuntuza]
[17:50] <nuvolari> hah, it worked
[17:50] <nuvolari> Maaz: karma for Kilos 
[17:50] <Maaz> nuvolari: Kilos has karma of 8
[17:50] <Cantide> oh, has the Durban meet been decided?
[17:50] <nuvolari> \o/
[17:50] <not_found> :)
[17:50] <nuvolari> Cantide: yeah
[17:50] <nuvolari> aren't you on the mailing list?
[17:50] <Cantide> umm
[17:50] <nuvolari> or Google+
[17:50] <nuvolari> I'm not sure where it was confirmed
 "maaz I am insert name"
[17:50] <Cantide> I am on the mailing list now
[17:50] <Cantide> but i don't recall seeing it
[17:51] <queery> Cantide: "maaz I am insert name"
[17:51] <Kilos> you are supposed to read mails not skim them like when studying
[17:51] <nuvolari> for anyone interested, you can always join discussions on the mailing lists
[17:51] <magespawn> Maaz: I am "real name"
[17:51] <Maaz> magespawn: Alrighty
[17:51] <nuvolari> hubx: if you're interested: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-za
[17:51] <queery> ai magespawn
[17:51] <not_found> more than half of mail goes to gmail spam btw
[17:51] <magespawn> Maaz: I am Greg Eames
[17:51] <Maaz> magespawn: Okay
[17:51] <queery> not mine
[17:52] <inetpro> ok anyone preferring G+ as a reference point for ubuntu-za can go to https://plus.google.com/b/112877206374340387802/112877206374340387802/posts
[17:52] <nuvolari> we're not much into forums, so our main medium is the mailing list
[17:52] <Cantide> Kilos, I skim everything all the time :)
[17:52] <Cantide> Too much multitasking ._.
[17:52] <Kilos> not_found, you gotta go tell gmail it isnt spam a few times
[17:52] <queery> ok back to topic??
[17:52] <not_found> (some of it does seem like spam sometimes >.> )
[17:52] <nuvolari> wai,t I'm off my trolley here
[17:53] <nuvolari> Cantide: durban's meeting was arranged on the durban linux users group list
[17:53]  * inetpro shall try to keep ubuntu-za alive on G+ while keeping traffic low
[17:53] <Cantide> not_found, Kilos, oh yeah, here it is in my spam folder ._.
[17:53] <not_found> :p
[17:54] <Kilos> hehe
[17:54] <Kilos> gmail lets some real junk through and blocks some serious stuff
[17:54] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Events
[17:54] <Maaz> Current Topic: Events
[17:54] <nuvolari> not for me oom Kilos 
[17:55] <who_da_fly> meh. Never got any bites for a lunch-time Ubuntu hour
[17:55] <nuvolari> lunch (half) hours are hard to manage :-/
[17:55] <who_da_fly> if I see sflr again I'll see if we can do it even if it is just the two of us
[17:55] <Kilos> nuvolari, as part of events find someone to order cds
[17:55] <queery> We won't get CD's in time
[17:55] <nuvolari> Did anyone host events the past while?
[17:55] <Kilos> is he ok who_da_fly 
[17:56] <who_da_fly> Kilos: Irunno
[17:56] <queery> but I have the 12.04 that I will take to the release
[17:56] <who_da_fly> I only ever talk to him in IRC
[17:56] <hubx> How many cds do you need? Just burn them ourselves then?
[17:56] <Kilos> ah 
[17:56] <Kilos> the genuine article is so much nicer
[17:56] <queery> hubx: it's nice to have the official ones so and as a loco we can get
[17:56] <Cantide> Maaz: I am Karl Wortmann
[17:56] <Maaz> Cantide: Okay
[17:56] <Cantide> >_<
[17:57] <queery> yeai
[17:57] <nuvolari> anyone? 
[17:57] <Kilos> ask tumbles
[17:57] <nuvolari> report on some events please, we didn't do nothing, did we?
[17:57] <who_da_fly> nuvolari: nothing I'm afraid... been a bit too busy
[17:57] <queery> nope
[17:57] <plustwo> Maaz: I am Oupa (plustwo)
[17:57] <Maaz> plustwo: Righto
[17:57]  * inetpro is not aware of major events in the past month
[17:57] <amanica> ok so as mentioned earlier and on the mailinglist we are planning a release party in centurion on 27 October
[17:57] <queery> did anyone do something for SFD
[17:58] <hubx> Yes, for marketing purposes that's true. I thought you just wanted to share, so not anybody has to download it
[17:58] <nuvolari> hmm, ok, so future events then :P
[17:58] <who_da_fly> true, there was SFD
[17:58] <nuvolari> we're officially having a meeting for durban next weekend
[17:58] <inetpro> ahh SFD!
[17:58] <amanica> yeah I also talked at SFD
[17:58] <amanica> and had a stand :)
[17:58] <queery> nuvolari: please send me the details
[17:58] <Cantide> nuvolari, next weekend as in the 27th?
[17:59] <Cantide> send them to me, too, please
[17:59] <inetpro> amanica: nice!
[17:59] <queery> amanica: did you take pics?
[17:59] <amanica> I have some pics
[17:59] <queery> who does the report these days
[17:59] <Kilos> not_found, 
[17:59] <nuvolari> Maaz: accepted Durban Meeting for Ubuntu 12.10 (https://plus.google.com/events/c142k82osntadrdi5nf5bi7mj4g)
[17:59] <Maaz> Accepted: Durban Meeting for Ubuntu 12.10 (https://plus.google.com/events/c142k82osntadrdi5nf5bi7mj4g)
[17:59]  * not_found is updating it when he has info :p
[17:59] <nuvolari> queery: Cantide ^^
[17:59] <queery> thanx
[17:59] <nuvolari> magespawn: ^^
[17:59] <Kilos> send info to not_found  guys
[17:59] <inetpro> I got some good feedback from guys who were at the SFD
[17:59] <nuvolari> hmm, can you guys get to the link? I see it's a private event :-/
[18:00] <Cantide> I can't access it either
[18:00] <nuvolari> or is it just private as in not a public event, but publicly visible?
[18:00] <queery> where was it held inetpro amanica
[18:00] <nuvolari> hrr :-/
[18:00] <amanica> query: wits
[18:00]  * not_found goes now... pls find a way to get the info to me and I will update the needed... night all
[18:00] <queery> oh ok
[18:00] <Kilos> ty not_found sleep tight
[18:00] <nuvolari> give me a second or 2, I need to find some proper links
[18:00] <queery> nuvolari: link not workin...
[18:01] <queery> hehe
[18:01] <Cantide> do i need to have a g+ account to view it?
[18:01] <Cantide> I have one, but i never use it
[18:01] <magespawn> those links not good
[18:01] <nuvolari> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/dbnlug/lRI9hOox9-Y/discussion
[18:01] <nuvolari> queery: Cantide ^^
[18:02] <queery> must be a member to view...
[18:02] <nuvolari> oh fudge :(
[18:02] <queery> hehe
[18:02] <nuvolari> I'm not managing that :-/
[18:02] <nuvolari> sorry guys
[18:02] <queery> just send me the details and Ill create the event on the loco page
[18:02] <nuvolari> I'll forward it quick
[18:02] <queery> thanx
[18:03] <nuvolari> is it OK if I forward the mail from dlug to ubunutu-za's list?
[18:03] <queery> jip
[18:03] <inetpro> SFD event was at: http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/2011/South%20Africa/Midrand/JHBPTA
[18:04] <amanica> queery: btw. it seems the Centurion Release party will not be a bring and braai any more because there were not enough gas braaier volunteers. Will send then new arangements through once it's confirmed.
[18:04] <amanica> last year?
[18:04] <queery> ok
[18:04] <queery> we can always do hotdogs if we have a nice RSVP list
[18:05] <queery> do you have a list of your own amanica?
[18:05]  * smileE17 says: Anyone will use E17. Repeat after me: I will use E17 as my primary window manager
[18:05] <smileE17> :P
[18:05] <queery> do you still need repos amanica?
[18:05] <smileE17> http://www.enlightenment.org/ :p
[18:05] <inetpro> smileE17: haha
[18:06] <amanica> queery: what list? Nico did a post to the house4hack group.
[18:06] <Cantide> smileE17, haha, i'm currently talking to a Finn about the Awesome WM
[18:06] <smileE17> inetpro: do you like it? :)
[18:06] <smileE17> Cantide: cool! :)
[18:06] <Cantide> how many people are expected to show up at the Durban meet?
[18:06]  * inetpro is happy with the Kubuntu wm
[18:06] <hubx> haha, just waited for the first wm discussion to begin ;)
[18:07] <nuvolari> oh shoot
[18:07] <nuvolari> thunder
[18:07] <inetpro> eish!
[18:07] <magespawn> brb fish two asleep on the couch
[18:07] <Kilos> aw
[18:07] <nuvolari> oh ffs lol, I forwarded "durban ubuntu moot"
[18:07] <nuvolari> lol
[18:07] <amanica> queery: I don't think we have somebody with the full repo. If you have it it will be great. I'll need to readup on how to get/use it otherwise.
[18:07] <smileE17> inetpro: E17 is amazingly fast :p
[18:08] <nuvolari> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-za/2012-October/009748.html Cantide, queery 
[18:08] <queery> doesn't H4h have uncaped interwebs
[18:08] <Cantide> thanks nuvolari :)
[18:08] <amanica> queery nope. 
[18:08] <queery> ill see what I can do amanica
[18:08] <smileE17> Lol, i'm using 6% cpu & 760 megabyte of ram :p
[18:08] <amanica> queery: it is fast but not uncapped
[18:08] <inetpro> smileE17: I guess we shall give nuvolari a chance to continue and discuss that later
[18:08] <smileE17> I could be using raspberry pI :P
[18:08] <queery> ok I have webafrica
[18:09] <smileE17> inetpro: big hug :P
[18:09] <nuvolari> eek, power gone :-/
[18:09] <amanica> queery: I have 2Mbps uncapped at home, so if I know how to get it, I don't mind either
[18:09] <queery> smileE17: do you know that its the monthly meeting?
[18:09] <nuvolari> am I still here?
[18:09] <nuvolari> ok good
[18:09] <nuvolari> continuing in darkness
[18:09] <Kilos> yes nuvolari 
[18:09] <smileE17> no, queery 
[18:09] <smileE17> :(
[18:10] <queery> hehe 
[18:10] <nuvolari> ok, durban confirmed for a meeting
[18:10] <queery> so identify and join
[18:10] <nuvolari> any other official meetings?
[18:10] <nuvolari> I might have missed them now
[18:10] <inetpro> nuvolari: wow, on battery? I guess you'll have to be quick then...
[18:10] <queery> not that I am aware of
[18:10] <nuvolari> inetpro: will be able to go for about an hour, or a bit more
[18:10] <smileE17> #ubuntu-za-meeting ? :)
[18:10] <queery> jip
[18:10] <inetpro> ok, good
[18:10] <Kilos> yip smileE17 
[18:11] <nuvolari> eek, my browser is on my other screen, now to get it back...
[18:11] <inetpro> smileE17: yep
[18:11] <nuvolari> brb
[18:11] <queery> amanica: http://tumbleweed.org.za/2010/10/09/release-party-ubuntu-mirror 
[18:11] <smileE17> inetpro: why no one is there :P
[18:11] <nuvolari> ooh :> gotta love a tiling window manager
[18:11] <amanica> queery: thanks
[18:11] <queery> tumbleweed used to set this up at our CT/STB parties
[18:11] <queery> where is he
[18:11] <nuvolari> ok, so are we done with events?
[18:12] <queery> no
[18:12] <inetpro> +1
[18:12] <queery> we need to do more ubuntu hours
[18:12] <nuvolari> cool, I'll site here in the corner
[18:12] <queery> hehe
[18:12] <charlvn> nuvolari: +1
[18:13] <queery> I have no issue organising it in JHB/Centurion but need people to actually attend...
[18:13] <who_da_fly> ditto
[18:13] <queery> who in durbs did the last one?
[18:13] <Kilos> queery, collect guys at the release party
[18:13] <smileE17> maybe #ubuntu-meeting is better :p
[18:13] <Cantide> i missed the last one in Durbs
[18:13] <queery> smileE17: please type "Maaz i am RealName"
[18:13] <nuvolari> it was nice
[18:13] <Kilos> no man smileE17  this is our official ubuntu-za channel meet
[18:13] <Cantide> good news this time - i'm not working on the 27th (at least not that i know of yet)
[18:13] <nuvolari> a bit crowded :P
[18:14] <Cantide> nuvolari :D
[18:14] <nuvolari> we had a good growd going 
[18:14] <queery> great
[18:14] <queery> when is the next one?
[18:14] <smileE17> he is not replying :p
[18:14] <queery> I have to organise one for Movember
[18:14] <nuvolari> saw some raspberrypi's and a Nexus 7
[18:14] <nuvolari> queery: durban meet?
[18:15] <queery> durban Ubuntu hour for Movember?
[18:15] <Vincent_> ubuntu release
[18:15] <Vincent_> ha
[18:15] <nuvolari> ah, we only have the release party planned for now
[18:15] <Vince-0> Im in DBN
[18:15] <inetpro> smileE17: #ubuntu-meeting is for official stuff, this is just for our local community
[18:15] <nuvolari> hmm, can we start to close off the events section now?
[18:16] <queery> how about a concecutive Ubuntu hour arround the country?
[18:16] <nuvolari> need to move along :P
[18:16] <smileE17> oo :p
[18:16] <smileE17> !Maaz
[18:16] <smileE17> Maaz: awake
[18:16] <Maaz> smileE17: What?
[18:16] <smileE17> Maaz: I said awake
[18:16] <Maaz> smileE17: *blink*
[18:16] <smileE17> Maaz: I like you
[18:16] <Maaz> smileE17: Huh?
[18:16] <queery> ok ill org it on the mailing list
[18:17] <Banlam> is this meeting still on?
[18:17] <Kilos> move on nuvolari 
[18:17] <Banlam> i just got in
[18:17] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Extras
[18:17] <Maaz> Current Topic: Extras
[18:17] <Kilos> es Banlam 
[18:17] <queery> please agree on it
[18:17] <Banlam> maaz i am gareth cawood
[18:17] <Maaz> Banlam: Righto
[18:17] <queery> nuvolari: 
[18:17] <smileE17> Maaz: I am Geoffrey De Belie
[18:17] <Maaz> smileE17: Done
[18:17] <queery> well done
[18:17] <nuvolari> shucks, sorry queery 
[18:17] <nuvolari> agree on what?
[18:18] <nuvolari> oh
[18:18] <nuvolari> queery: ok for " queery will organise events on the mailing list"?
[18:19] <queery> yea
[18:19] <queery> it will do
[18:19] <queery> hehe
[18:19] <nuvolari> Maaz: agreed queery will organise events on te mailing list
[18:19] <Maaz> Agreed: queery will organise events on te mailing list
[18:19] <nuvolari> sorry about that :)
[18:19] <nuvolari> ok so now, Extras or last words?
[18:20] <Kilos> extras
[18:20] <Kilos> who is gonna order cds
[18:20] <nuvolari> I vote oom Kilos for president
[18:20] <queery> ok battery on 10%
[18:20] <Kilos> nee man
[18:20] <nuvolari> hmm, maia usually does that
[18:20] <Kilos> and who can host a deb-delta server
[18:21] <nuvolari> I wonder if she'll be able to help again?
[18:21] <Kilos> maia is too busy it seems
[18:21] <amanica> I'm planning to get some ubuntu stickers printed for the centurion release party. It seems that I'll have to order 550-750 stickers. Will send out to the mailing list when I have more details.
[18:21] <Cantide> should i download 12.10 and burn it to disk to bring along to the Durban meet?
[18:22] <nuvolari> Cantide: afaik Una and William already said they will have mirrors available
[18:22] <Cantide> okay
[18:22] <nuvolari> (not just stock ubuntu)
[18:22] <inetpro> amanica: you should perhaps talk to drubin as well to get the design for laptop stickers
[18:22] <queery> my laptop will die in 10 min
[18:23] <amanica> inetpro: o ok, last time Maia said that she just used the official logos, and it looks fine to me
[18:23] <nuvolari> I'll ask maia about the CD process
[18:23] <drubin> inetpro: amanica http://blog.smartcube.co.za/2009/05/26/ubuntu-pc-badges-for-za/ 
[18:23] <drubin> but I have to go now
[18:23] <nuvolari> Maaz: agreed nuvolari will ask maiatoday about obtaining and distributing cds
[18:23] <Maaz> Agreed: nuvolari will ask maiatoday about obtaining and distributing cds
[18:23] <inetpro> thanks drubin
[18:24] <Kilos> ty drubin 
[18:24] <amanica> drubin: I had one of those once!
[18:24] <inetpro> amanica: we should print some more of those
[18:25] <nuvolari> ok, we need to move on people :P running out of time
[18:25] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Elect chairperson for next meeting
[18:25] <Maaz> Current Topic: Elect chairperson for next meeting
[18:25]  * queery will be offline in 4 min
[18:25] <inetpro> +1 for nuvolari
[18:25]  * Kilos says nuvolari  if he can
[18:25] <nuvolari> I'm open for chairing if I'm around for the next meeting :>
[18:25] <queery> second
[18:25] <Kilos> you better be
[18:26] <Kilos> we know where you live
[18:26] <nuvolari> ok queery thank's for attending tonight
[18:26] <who_da_fly> I should be able to backup if necessary
[18:26] <nuvolari> have a good evening
[18:26] <queery> sorry for nagging
[18:26] <charlvn> ciao queery 
[18:26] <Kilos> ty who_da_fly 
[18:26] <nuvolari> queery: someone needs to do it :P
[18:26] <Kilos> cheers queery 
[18:27] <Cantide> bye queery  :)
[18:27] <inetpro> nuvolari: so does that mean not_found will do the report again?
[18:27] <nuvolari> Maaz: agreed nuvolari to chair next meeting
[18:27] <Maaz> Agreed: nuvolari to chair next meeting
[18:27] <amanica> initpro: The place I'm looking at does vinyl stickers which I think is fine. drubin's look like aluminium which may be more expensive.. 
[18:27] <Kilos> yes inetpro we gotta keep him informed though
[18:27] <nuvolari> inetpro: hmm, we need to confirm, but I understood he's ok with it
[18:28] <nuvolari> Maaz: agreed inform not_found on the details for reporting purposes
[18:28] <Maaz> Agreed: inform not_found on the details for reporting purposes
[18:29] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic closing
[18:29] <Maaz> Current Topic: closing
[18:29] <nuvolari> right, the next meeting will be Movember 19th
[18:29] <nuvolari> I hope to see you all again on that date!
[18:29] <nuvolari> Maybe try to invite someone to the meeting?
[18:29] <Cantide> I won't make it :(
[18:29] <Kilos> thanks for chairing nuvolari 
[18:29] <nuvolari> aw :-/
[18:30] <smileE17> byebye :)
[18:30] <nuvolari> Plesier oom Kilos :)
[18:30] <Kilos> bye smileE17 
[18:30] <nuvolari> Maaz: Agreed next meeting November 19, 2012
[18:30] <Maaz> Agreed: next meeting November 19, 2012
[18:30] <inetpro> hmm... I'll excuse meself from the next meeting now already
[18:30] <nuvolari> Righto, thanks for attending everyone
[18:31] <nuvolari> it was a productive meeting methinks
[18:31] <Kilos> and inetpro will set up the topic 
[18:31] <Kilos> yeah
[18:31] <inetpro> Kilos: asap
[18:31] <Kilos> dankie inetpro 
[18:31] <nuvolari> So see everyone at the next meeting!
[18:31]  * plustwo thinks the meeting was very kwl
[18:32] <nuvolari> All of the best until then :)
[18:32] <nuvolari> ++ plustwo 
[18:32] <Kilos> nee man nuvolari steel paar minute elke dag
[18:32] <inetpro> wb plustwo
[18:32] <inetpro> nuvolari: did you end the minutes yet?
[18:32] <nuvolari> plustwo: you can still introduce yourself before  I close off the meeting
[18:32] <Kilos> net om te groet en se hoe gaan dinge by jou
[18:32] <nuvolari> inetpro: negative
[18:32] <inetpro> ah
[18:33] <plustwo> Maaz: I am Oupa (plustwo)
[18:33] <Maaz> plustwo: Alrighty
[18:33] <nuvolari> Maaz: end meeting
[18:33] <Maaz> Meeting Ended
[18:33] <Maaz> Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2012-10-15-17-30-00.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2012-10-15-17-30-00.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2012-10-15-17-30-00.html
[18:33] <nuvolari> \o/ success
[18:33] <Kilos> yay
[18:33] <nuvolari> nice meeting everyone :)
[18:33] <inetpro> plustwo: * Oupa (plustwo) (plustwo)
[18:33] <plustwo> o/ inetpro
[18:33] <inetpro> well done nuvolari
[18:33] <Kilos> lol and oupa calls me oom
[18:33] <Kilos> hahaha
[18:33] <nuvolari> nice to spend a while on IRC again
[18:34] <nuvolari> thanks inetpro 
[18:34] <plustwo> i'm a younger oupa oom... lol
[18:34] <inetpro> nuvolari: thanks for running the show
[18:34] <Kilos> nuvolari, you gotta sort youre life to give more time here
[18:34]  * inetpro wbb
[18:34] <nuvolari> You're welcome 
[18:34] <nuvolari> Kilos: ya oom, I do need to do that hey :-/
[18:35] <Kilos> ya man
[18:35] <nuvolari> but with the title comes the workload :P
[18:35] <Kilos> nee man you doing the chairing
[18:35] <magespawn> whoops looks like i missed the end o that
[18:35]  * plustwo travels back to the dungeons
[18:36] <Kilos> aw sorry mage
[18:36] <magespawn> no worries
[18:36] <Kilos> you see minutes magespawn 
[18:37] <magespawn> amanica does it work out cheeper to do it here than order from canonical?
[18:37] <magespawn> yes Kilos ty
[18:37] <Kilos> ah
[18:37] <magespawn> have log as well
[18:37] <Kilos> good
[18:37] <Kilos> onna fone thing?
[18:37] <Kilos> whew
[18:38] <Kilos> you gonna end up with headaches
[18:38] <magespawn> quassel core
[18:38] <magespawn> on server in the shop
[18:38] <Cantide> thanks nuvolari :)
[18:38] <Kilos> ah
[18:38] <magespawn> i actually got discconected therefor awhile
[18:38] <magespawn> disconnected
[18:39] <Kilos> didnt show here magespawn 
[18:39] <magespawn> thats the idea the core stays online
[18:39] <Kilos> normally i wb you
[18:40] <magespawn> that is also why the greeter does not greet ppl who use the quassel core setup
[18:40] <Kilos> ah
[18:40] <magespawn> nuvolari: seems to hav gone quite smooth
[18:40] <magespawn> hav=have
[18:41] <Kilos> maybe battery conked
[18:42] <Kilos> who_da_fly, you winning there
[18:42] <Kilos> hows the family
[18:42] <who_da_fly> mamma took the baba
[18:43] <Kilos> what happened to you internet
[18:45] <Kilos> inetpro, hoe kan iets so vinnig val
[18:46] <Kilos> isnt there supposed to be a terminal speed for falling objects
[18:46] <Kilos> like 180mph or something
[18:47] <Cantide> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminal_velocity
[18:47] <inetpro> Kilos: uh, what?
[18:48] <inetpro> Kilos: what are you talking about?
[18:48] <Kilos> felix
[18:48] <inetpro> ahh
[18:48] <Kilos> Cantide, what speed does it give there
[18:49] <Cantide> depends on drag
[18:49] <inetpro> Kilos: he was up there in the skies with very little resistance
[18:49] <inetpro> in the stratosphere
[18:49] <Kilos> oh as in outa space
[18:49] <inetpro> almost
[18:49] <magespawn> very close
[18:49] <Cantide> therefore less drag
[18:49] <amanica> magespawn: well It is only a couple of days so I think the only way to get them in time is to do it here.  £1.75 for 3 sheets +shipping
[18:50] <Kilos> that is unbelievably fast if you think about it
[18:50] <inetpro> well there's still a long way to go before he would be outside I think
[18:50] <amanica> magespawn: the quick quote I got was about 50c per 3x4cm sticker if you buy 550
[18:50] <Kilos> istnt outa space a vacuum
[18:50] <inetpro> but he went higher than the average wheather balloom
[18:50] <magespawn> amanica i am sure we can help cover the costs
[18:50] <amanica> (that is locally)
[18:51] <Cantide> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminal_Velocity_%28video_game%29 does anyone remember this? :D
[18:51] <magespawn> 39kms I think
[18:51] <Cantide> amanica, i am keen on a sticker
[18:52] <Kilos> thats faster than a 9mm bullet if i remember right
[18:52] <Kilos> 1200fps
[18:53] <Kilos> cant work it out
[18:53] <amanica> yes magespawn, Cantide I think I'll get them made and sell them at cost, even post it locally if anybody is interested..
[18:53] <Kilos> too tired
[18:53] <magespawn> keep us posted amanica
[18:53] <amanica> cool
[18:53] <Cantide> i may want a few
[18:53] <Cantide> provided i don't have to trade them for a kidney
[18:54] <amanica> lol
[18:54] <Cantide> what quality?
[18:54] <Kilos> lol
[18:54] <Kilos> what quality kidney
[18:54] <magespawn> just watching Hak5 Toor Camp video
[18:54] <amanica> Cantide: I dont know what quality they will be, I think I must go pay them a visit and see. 
[18:55] <Cantide> okay :)
[18:55] <Cantide> those aluminium ones look awesome, but probably too costly for everyone's taste
[18:55] <amanica> yeah.
[18:56] <amanica> I can also get "domed" stickers but they cost R5!
[18:56] <amanica> will get some in any case
[18:56] <magespawn> that is not too bad I think
[18:56] <Cantide> "domed" ? those that bulge?
[18:56] <Cantide> i would pay R 5 for a sticker
[18:56] <amanica> I think so yes. like a gell coat
[18:56] <Cantide> R 10 even
[18:56] <Cantide> oh
[18:56] <Cantide> i prefer the aluminium ones '-'
[18:57] <Cantide> but of course if many have to be made at once, then it'll have to be the same for everyone
[18:57]  * Cantide goes with the flow
[18:58] <amanica> http://www.stickerprinters.co.za/index.php/domed-stickers  A domed sticker is the liquid polyurethane, which consists of honey, flows to the border of the vinyl shape and is trapped by capillary attraction to the border. The liquid is then cured to create a complete product with a 3D effect 
[18:58] <magespawn> i think anything under R15 would be easy for most
[18:58] <Kilos> hubx, you must visit here all the time
[18:58] <Kilos> or stay not visit
[18:59] <hubx> Kilos, yes I added it to permanent IRC list ;)
[19:00] <Kilos> yay
[19:00] <Kilos> we need numbers
[19:00] <Kilos> havent grown in years
[19:00] <bakuman> so...
[19:01] <Kilos> go on bakuman 
[19:01] <bakuman> summary of the meeting?
[19:01] <Kilos> you want the minutes?
[19:01]  * bakuman is too lazy to read it all O_O
[19:02] <Kilos> lol
[19:02] <Kilos> yeah hard work
[19:03] <Cantide> where can i get information about our loco, meetings, release parties etc. ?
[19:03] <Cantide> like who is involved, how it all runs
[19:03] <inetpro> amanica: those are actually not alluminium
[19:04] <inetpro> I think it's just vinyl
[19:04] <Cantide> oh
[19:04] <Kilos> we got some sites but dont ask me for links
[19:04] <Cantide> they look nice though '-'
[19:04] <Cantide> Kilos, okay :'(
[19:04] <Cantide> I will search :)
[19:05] <Kilos> inetpro, you got links
[19:05] <inetpro> drubin: what did those cost to print, do you remember
[19:05] <Kilos> Maaz, ubuntu-za sites
[19:05] <Maaz> http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-za  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam  https://www.facebook.com/groups/ubuntuza/  https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-za   http://ubuntu-za.org
[19:05]  * inetpro should perhaps find out where I can print them here in Pretoria
[19:05] <Kilos> there Cantide 
[19:06] <inetpro> Kilos: what links you looking for?
 where can i get information about our loco, meetings, release parties etc. ?
[19:06] <inetpro> ahh
[19:07] <Kilos> he dunno bout twitter the stupid bot
[19:07] <inetpro> :-)
[19:07] <Kilos> hehe
[19:07] <Kilos> i wanna try ibid on tinycorelinux
[19:07] <inetpro> Kilos: you the teacher!
[19:07] <Kilos> no you inetpro 
[19:08] <inetpro> ai
[19:08] <Kilos> im falling off chair here
[19:08] <Kilos> long exciting day
[19:08] <Cantide> thanks, Kilos :)
[19:08] <Kilos> yw
[19:09] <Kilos> inetpro, you do in secs what takes me 10's on minutes
[19:09] <Kilos> of
[19:10] <inetpro> Kilos: the twitter handle and links are above in the topic
[19:10] <Kilos> oh ya
[19:10] <Kilos> ty
[19:10] <nuvolari> hmm, koeksisters
[19:10] <Kilos> i woulda got there sometime
[19:10] <nuvolari> anyone want one?
[19:10] <Kilos> ja
[19:10] <Kilos> sblief
[19:10]  * nuvolari pos vir oom Kilos
[19:11] <Kilos> haha
[19:11] <nuvolari> *van die koeksisters
[19:11] <Kilos> epos
[19:11] <nuvolari> lol, why are you falling off your chair oom?
[19:11] <nuvolari> Maaz: last update by ubuntuza
[19:11] <Maaz> nuvolari: Huh?
[19:11] <Kilos> moeg  en kop klap ietwat
[19:11] <Kilos> maar
[19:11] <nuvolari> Maaz: last status update by ubuntuza
[19:11] <Maaz> nuvolari: *blink*
[19:12] <Kilos> my kable konneksie werk tussen 2 pcs
[19:12] <inetpro> Maaz: last tweet by ubuntuza
[19:12] <Maaz> inetpro: No such twit
[19:12] <inetpro> hmm...
[19:12] <Kilos> en het tinycorelinux op n 1g skyf
[19:12] <Kilos> hahaha
[19:12] <Kilos> clever bot
[19:13] <nuvolari> Maaz: last tweet by @ubuntuza
[19:13] <Maaz> nuvolari: No such twit
[19:13] <nuvolari> :O
[19:13] <inetpro> Maaz: last tweet by inetpro
[19:13] <Kilos> why does he lie
[19:13] <Maaz> inetpro: No such twit
[19:13] <nuvolari> Maaz: last update by inetpro
[19:13] <Maaz> nuvolari: What?
[19:13] <nuvolari> pffft
[19:13] <nuvolari> maaz is ill
[19:14] <Kilos> does he monitor twitter?
[19:14] <nuvolari> he could check up on twitter oom Kilos 
[19:14] <inetpro> Kilos: he can read google
[19:14] <Kilos> oh
[19:15] <Kilos> ask  qp
[19:15] <nuvolari> but I think this might be twitter api issues
[19:15] <Kilos> QP, last update by inetpro
[19:15] <QP> Kilos: Huh?
[19:15] <Kilos> lol
[19:15] <magespawn> hah lol
[19:15] <Kilos> stupid coew
[19:15] <Kilos> cow as well
[19:16] <Kilos> QP, die
[19:16] <amanica> inetpro: this is the place I'm looking at at the moment (pretoria/fourways) http://www.stickerprinters.co.za/
[19:17] <inetpro> nuvolari, Kilos: I think the twitter api has changed
[19:17] <nuvolari> see, I was right :P
[19:17] <Kilos> do you have to teach a bot to do that
[19:17] <Kilos> or is it an ibid thing
[19:17] <nuvolari> inetpro: they are streamlining for their March 2013 change
[19:18] <inetpro> Kilos: I guess ibid will have to be updated
[19:18] <Kilos> how
[19:18] <Kilos> do you know
[19:19] <inetpro> Kilos: and maybe they have done it already, check on your version
[19:19] <Kilos> or the whole ibid app
[19:19] <Kilos> mine is new
[19:19] <Kilos> daily build
[19:19] <inetpro> Kilos: where's QP?
[19:19] <Kilos> sec i call the cow
[19:19] <nuvolari> jislaaik, val ek vandag by spar amper dood neer
[19:20] <nuvolari> 'n brood is R9-something
[19:20] <magespawn> that is a lot
[19:20] <charlvn> heh it's becoming cheaper to live in europe :)
[19:20] <charlvn> i don't feel so bad anymore
[19:20] <Cantide> or Asia >_>
[19:20]  * Cantide scurries off
[19:21] <Kilos> lol
[19:21] <charlvn> never lived in asia so wouldn't know, but i wouldn't mind living in japan for a while
[19:21] <Kilos> inetpro, here she is
[19:21] <inetpro> QP: latest tweet from inetpro
[19:21] <QP> inetpro: What?
[19:21] <charlvn> eat some melonpan :)
[19:21] <inetpro> hmm...
[19:21] <amanica> inetpro: and I'm looking at this for laptop/general usage stickers http://design.ubuntu.com/wp-content/uploads/logo-ubuntu_st_no%C2%AE-orange-hex.png
[19:21] <nuvolari> Maaz: last update by inetpro
[19:21] <Maaz> nuvolari: *blink*
[19:21] <nuvolari> bah
[19:21] <nuvolari> I give up
[19:21] <Kilos> tumbleweed, you awake still
[19:22] <tumbleweed> Kilos: yes, hi
[19:22] <amanica> inetpro: and this for covering the windows keys: http://design.ubuntu.com/wp-content/uploads/logo-ubuntu_cof-orange-hex.png
[19:22] <Kilos> um how we make ibids do the tweet thing
[19:22] <magespawn> now that would be cool
[19:22] <inetpro> amanica: drubin's design is at http://blog.smartcube.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/ubuntu.svg
[19:22] <Kilos> as in CV
[19:23] <tumbleweed> Kilos: ibids can't tweet (yet?)
[19:23] <amanica> inetpro: thanks, will consider it.
[19:23] <Kilos>    maaz used to give latest tweet by nick
[19:23] <Maaz> Kilos: Excuse me?
[19:23] <nuvolari> ok, I'm going to muf op die bank nou, I'm tired
[19:24] <nuvolari> o/ 'night
[19:24] <Kilos> lol tumbleweed i mean how do we make them reply to latset tweet by inetpro
[19:24] <magespawn> night nuvolari
[19:24] <Kilos> night nuvolari 
[19:24] <tumbleweed> Maaz: latest tweet from inetpro
[19:24] <Maaz> tumbleweed: No such twit
[19:24] <Kilos> lekket kiep
[19:24] <tumbleweed> Kilos: like that?
[19:24] <Kilos> ya he used to work
[19:25] <inetpro> tumbleweed: it definitely used to work
[19:25] <inetpro> but to read tweets, not post
[19:26] <inetpro> it even worked for floss.pro and identica
[19:26] <inetpro> nuvolari: good night
[19:27] <inetpro> amanica: a sticker for the WIN key would be nice
[19:27] <inetpro> but that is very small
[19:27] <Kilos> hahaha
[19:27] <amanica> inetpro: yeah have to buy 750 of those at a time...
[19:27] <Kilos> cokey pen works
[19:27] <Cantide> inetpro, FTW!
[19:28] <inetpro> Cantide: what did I do now?
[19:28] <tumbleweed> inetpro: oh, indeed. something must have changed
[19:28] <Cantide> "for the win (key)"
[19:28] <magespawn> so does spray paint Kilos
[19:28] <Cantide> sorry, i like puns
[19:28] <Kilos> lol
[19:28] <inetpro> ahh, lol
[19:29] <Kilos> or tippex or nail varnish
[19:29] <Cantide> but my 'super' keys are not smooth, so it's tricky
[19:29] <amanica> I have not had much success with cokey. just scissors sometimes..
[19:29] <Cantide> and i will not keep this keyboard for long ,_, sadly
[19:29] <Kilos> and not so wide spread
[19:29] <Kilos> whats a super key?
[19:29] <Cantide> win key
[19:30] <Cantide> Ubuntu seems to refer to it as a super key
[19:30] <Kilos> who named it a super key?
[19:30] <Cantide> ^
[19:30] <inetpro> Kilos: that's the one
[19:30] <Kilos> oh
[19:30] <Kilos> what does it do actually
[19:30] <Cantide> Kilos, are you in unity?
[19:30] <Kilos> ya
[19:30] <inetpro> Kilos: do you have UNity?
[19:30] <Kilos> yes
[19:30] <inetpro> press and hold it
[19:30] <Cantide> hold down
[19:31] <Cantide> yes, haha
[19:31]  * Cantide ^5s inetpro
[19:31] <Kilos> how long
[19:31] <Cantide> a few seconds, and keep it pressed
[19:31] <Kilos> oh i cant enter then
[19:31] <Cantide> you should see a list of keyboard shortcuts
[19:31] <Kilos> it did nothing
[19:31] <Cantide> even on there it refers to it as the super key
[19:31] <Cantide> weird o_O
[19:32] <inetpro> then press it + the relevant number to open the numbered app on the menu
[19:32] <Kilos> where must i see them
[19:32] <inetpro> Kilos: on the left hand menu 
[19:32] <Kilos> oh i see numbers
[19:32] <Cantide> Kilos, what happens when you tap the key? does the dash open?
[19:32] <inetpro> yeah!
[19:32] <Kilos> on my running apps
[19:33] <Cantide> should be numbers on the first 10 'o'
[19:33] <Kilos> top panel flashes something top left
[19:33]  * Cantide thinks that Kilos is running a faulty version of unity
[19:33]  * Cantide hides
[19:33] <Kilos> haha
[19:33] <inetpro> Kilos: now press Super+1
[19:33] <Kilos> dont say that i just made a backup
[19:33] <inetpro> and then Sper+2
[19:34] <inetpro> oops
[19:34] <inetpro> you get the idea
[19:34] <Kilos> oh it opened home
[19:34] <Kilos> i see what it does
[19:34] <Cantide> unity makes up with it's shortcomings with nifty shortcut keys
[19:34] <Kilos> easier to go click there
[19:34] <Cantide> umm
[19:34] <Cantide> if you hand is on your mouse, i guess
[19:34] <inetpro> me hates the mouse
[19:34] <Cantide> your hand *
[19:34]  * Cantide agrees with inetpro 
[19:35] <Cantide> I even bought a better mouse, but i still dislike using it .-.
[19:35] <Kilos> you guys dont have to look where you are typing
[19:35] <Kilos> mouse is one arrow to follow
[19:35]  * inetpro is to lazy to lift the hand from the keyboard in order to find the mouse
[19:35] <Kilos> rofl
[19:36] <Cantide> also, keyboard is more accurate for me :)
[19:36] <Cantide> and more efficient when work volume is high
[19:36] <Cantide> like every day at work ._.
[19:36] <Kilos> julle twee oog monsters
[19:37] <tumbleweed> inetpro, Kilos: So, we were using an Atom API that has been turned off
[19:37] <tumbleweed> patches are welcome :)
[19:37] <inetpro> tumbleweed: eish
[19:37] <Kilos> oh my
[19:37] <Kilos> twitter turned it off?
[19:37] <Cantide> why does Twitter change it's API faster than I change underwear?
[19:37] <Cantide> its *
[19:37] <inetpro> tumbleweed: so it was reading from the rss feed?
[19:38] <inetpro> I think there's still a way to do that
[19:38] <tumbleweed> inetpro: the Atom feed
[19:38] <tumbleweed> we switched to it, from the json API because the json API was excluding retweets
[19:38] <tumbleweed> no idea if that's been fixed
[19:39] <Kilos> we need a python guy to make that patch
[19:39] <Kilos> one thats not busy all the time
[19:39] <inetpro> tumbleweed: https://api.twitter.com/1/statuses/user_timeline.rss?screen_name=inetpro
[19:40] <inetpro> that is my feed ^^
[19:40] <tumbleweed> inetpro: the API vesrion 1 has been deprecated
[19:40] <inetpro> it's still working
[19:40] <tumbleweed> yes, but who knosw how much longer
[19:41] <inetpro> true
[19:41]  * inetpro wonders why they do that
[19:41] <inetpro> it's so useful
[19:43] <Kilos> night guys. sleep tight
[19:43] <Kilos> i gotta leave pc on
[19:43] <inetpro> night Kilos
[19:43] <Kilos> scared i lose iptables thingie
[19:43] <Cantide> night Kilos '<
[19:45] <inetpro> tumbleweed: hmm... looks like it will cease functioning this month already
[19:46]  * inetpro reading https://dev.twitter.com/docs/faq#11716
[19:47] <tumbleweed> the relevant code is in ibid/plugins/social.py
[19:47] <tumbleweed> we just need to investigate if we are still abiding by the terms of their API
[19:47] <tumbleweed> and whether the JSON API now does what we need
[19:48]  * inetpro has never worked with JSON
[19:48] <Cantide> JSON :'(
[19:49] <Cantide> it nearly drove me mad once
[19:49] <Cantide> and i gave up
[19:49] <tumbleweed> JSON is a really nice format to work with
[19:50] <Cantide> when you know what you're doing, i guess
[19:50] <Cantide> i didn't :)
[19:54] <charlvn> hi guys, sorry was afk for a bit
[19:54] <charlvn> what's up with the twitter thing? i got some experience with it
[19:56] <charlvn> so the problem is here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ibid-core/ibid/trunk/view/head:/ibid/plugins/social.py
[19:56] <charlvn> ?
[19:57] <inetpro> charlvn: what's the new way to talk to twitter, say I want the latest posting from inetpro
[19:58] <charlvn> Maaz: latest tweet from inetpro
[19:58] <Maaz> charlvn: No such twit
[19:58] <charlvn> that's the problem right?
[19:58] <charlvn> give me one min
[19:58] <inetpro> eh, yes :-)
[19:58] <charlvn> no problem, looking at it now
[19:59] <charlvn> ok this is very irritating
[20:00] <charlvn> if i do this i get a full response: https://api.twitter.com/1/statuses/user_timeline.json?screen_name=inetpro
[20:00] <charlvn> if i do this i get a bad authentication code: https://api.twitter.com/1.1/statuses/user_timeline.json?screen_name=inetpro
[20:00] <charlvn> it used to be that you can just do a call anonymously
[20:00] <charlvn> but in v1.1 of the api it seems like the bot needs to authenticate first?
[20:00] <inetpro> exactly
[20:00] <charlvn> https://dev.twitter.com/docs/api/1.1/get/statuses/user_timeline
[20:00] <charlvn> that's crap imho
[20:00] <charlvn> :(
[20:01] <charlvn> twitter has been tightening up it seems
[20:01] <inetpro> charlvn: especially when twitter is mostly public
[20:02] <inetpro> they are really tightening the screws
[20:04] <charlvn> yeah i don't like it
[20:04] <charlvn> the one easiest way of doing this would be "scraping" the html
[20:04] <charlvn> that's going to work nicely
[20:05] <charlvn> yeah imho that is the best way to do it, although it is going to need changing if twitter decides to restructure their html in some major way
[20:05] <inetpro> charlvn: scraping from?
[20:05] <charlvn> i also don't know if it's against their terms of service
[20:06] <charlvn> reading the latest tweet directly from the html of the usual web page you see - https://dev.twitter.com/docs/api/1.1/get/statuses/user_timeline
[20:06] <charlvn> ah sorry - i meant to post http://twitter.com/inetpro
[20:06] <inetpro> I think it's best to follow their recommended methods
[20:06] <inetpro> there's a lot of abuse 
[20:06] <tumbleweed> no, scraping will certainly be against the terms of service
[20:07] <charlvn> you basically need this part: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1281872/
[20:07] <tumbleweed> if 1.1 requires authentication, we'll have to register ibid
[20:07] <charlvn> hmmm, yeah i thought as much
[20:07] <inetpro> so I can understand some of the reasoning for tightening the screws
[20:07] <charlvn> well that's probably the only option then
[20:07] <charlvn> yeah they are under heavy load and need high amounts of server resources
[20:07] <inetpro> tumbleweed: ahh, that would be the way to do it
[20:08] <charlvn> although quite honestly i think the thing that helped make them popular in the first place is probably their easy api
[20:08] <charlvn> anyway, that's irrelevant now
[20:09] <charlvn> the irritating thing about it is that you will need to pass the calls through oauth
[20:09] <charlvn> https://dev.twitter.com/docs/auth
[20:09] <charlvn> that is not the simplest thing to do but it's not that hard either
[20:10] <charlvn> you basically need to get a token and then use that token to "sign" the calls with
[20:10] <inetpro> they also have https://dev.twitter.com/opensource
[20:11] <charlvn> https://dev.twitter.com/docs/twitter-libraries#python
[20:11] <charlvn> i would say just use one of those?
[20:13] <inetpro> wow, so many libs
[20:14] <inetpro> why is tweepy in bold?
[20:20] <charlvn> i assume it's a recommended library
[20:20] <charlvn> probably best to use that - has the biggest chance of being complete and up to date?
[20:20] <charlvn> although, the last change seems to be from 2 months ago
[20:20] <charlvn> not too bad though
[20:21] <charlvn> the mailing list seems active: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/tweepy
[20:21] <charlvn> they have an irc channel on freenode too - #tweepy
[20:23] <inetpro> charlvn: I think it's old
[20:23] <charlvn> this one doesn't look too bad either: https://github.com/ryanmcgrath/twython
[20:23] <charlvn> most of those look pretty old actually
[20:24] <charlvn> i don't like that they don't even have an oauth example and this looks really outdated: http://tweepy.github.com/
[20:24] <charlvn> twitter dropped support for basic authentication years ago
[20:24] <inetpro> yep
[20:24] <charlvn> i have the best feeling about twython from those in the list
[20:24] <charlvn> but that's at first glance
[20:24] <inetpro> and python-twitter ?
[20:25] <charlvn> http://code.google.com/p/python-twitter/source/browse/
[20:25] <charlvn> none of the code has been updated in 2012 it seems
[20:25] <inetpro> hmm...
[20:25] <charlvn> this is better: http://code.google.com/p/python-twitter/source/list
[20:26] <inetpro> so maybe the whole libs page is outdated
[20:26] <inetpro> https://dev.twitter.com/docs/twitter-libraries#python
[20:27] <charlvn> yeah i get that feeling
[20:27] <charlvn> maybe it's worth asking here: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!searchin/twitter-development-talk
[20:27] <charlvn> this group is pretty active
[20:27] <charlvn> sorry this: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/twitter-development-talk
[20:28] <charlvn> new google groups links are weird :/
[20:28] <inetpro> true
[20:29] <inetpro> but that forum also seems old
[20:29] <charlvn> am i looking at it wrong or is that group also dead now?!
[20:29] <charlvn> all the posts seem to be from 2011 - i used to belong to that group for a few years
[20:29] <charlvn> oh, they got their own system now: https://dev.twitter.com/discussions
[20:30] <inetpro> ahh
[20:30] <charlvn> sorry i am clearly out of date myself :)
[20:30] <charlvn> (i have not done much twitter-related development in the last two years or so)
[20:32] <charlvn> i think last time when i did something i used this oauth2 library directly (not any twitter-specific libraries): https://github.com/simplegeo/python-oauth2
[20:33] <charlvn> but i also don't know if that is still the best library to use at the moment
[20:33] <charlvn> it was very actively developed at the time
[20:33] <magespawn> good night all
[20:33] <inetpro> magespawn: good night
[20:34] <charlvn> i tried to do a search for "python" on the new discussions page but it asked me to login and i don't have an active account atm
[20:34] <charlvn> magespawn: night!
[20:34] <inetpro> charlvn: https://dev.twitter.com/docs/api/1.1/overview#JSON_support_only
[20:35] <charlvn> very interesting
[20:35] <charlvn> yeah everything is moving to json
[20:35] <charlvn> i also need to go, sorry it is getting late and i need to work tomorrow :)
[20:35] <charlvn> nn all
[20:35] <inetpro> charlvn: please keep digging there
[20:35] <inetpro> eish