[00:05] <micahg> falktx: so, the 64 bit wine should use the 32bit wine for the things that are 32 bit only
[00:05] <falktx> heh?
[00:06] <falktx> wine can work both in 32bit and 64bit (win32 and win64 executables)
[00:07] <falktx> a 64bit system with wine, when built correctly, can handle both
[00:07] <falktx> (there can be a win64 only wine)
[00:07] <falktx> but a 32bit system can't use 64bit wine
[00:07] <falktx> this is pretty much the same as in linux
[00:07] <falktx> linux 64bit can use 32bit binaries when properly set (multilib)
[00:08] <falktx> same thing happens with wine
[00:08] <micahg> well, it should be using multiarch not multilib in precise and later
[00:09] <falktx> the concept is the same
[00:09] <falktx> multiarch is multilib 
[00:09] <micahg> no
[00:09] <micahg> multiarch is using the 32 bit binaries built on 32 bit on 64 bit
[00:09] <micahg> multilib is building a 32 bit binary on 64 bit
[00:10] <falktx> but multiarch requires multilib to work
[00:10] <micahg> nope
[00:11] <falktx> there has to be a minimal libc-i386 compiled on the 64bit system
[00:11] <micahg> well, maybe ATM just for libc, but eventually I would think not
[00:12] <falktx> I don't think so, we'll always need the libc stuff
[00:12] <falktx> but anyway, the 64bit wine works in a very similar way
[00:23] <micahg> no, actually, multiarch uses libc6:i386
[00:38] <ailo> micahg: Ok, I edited the changelog. Would be fantastic if you could help upload it (ubuntustudio-default-settings).
[00:47] <micahg> ailo: is there a bug associated with that change?
[00:49] <micahg> ailo: also, is this something that must be on the DVD or can be an SRU?
[01:17] <len-dt> micahg, if it is SRU it would only work for new users. Any already installed system would not get the update because it has to do with the panel config that gets imported to the users personal config at first boot.
[01:17] <len-dt> * sorry first login
[01:39] <micahg> len-dt: ok, maybe documenting this all in a bug would be good then, set to High since you consider it RC (or I can do that)
[01:57] <len-dt> micah I can't set importance. Bug #1066634
[01:58] <micahg> len-dt: can you just add a snippet why it's RC
[01:58] <micahg> and why it can't be an SRU
[01:58] <len-dt> Will do
[02:03] <len-dt> Done
[02:05] <len-dt> I have also subscribed ailo to the bug so he can reasign it to himself is he wishes and add comments.
[02:05]  * micahg marked it high for you
[02:05] <len-dt> Thank you
[02:07] <len-dt> micahg, sorry we didn't do it before, I thought it was something to do with the indicator removal and so when we put that back in we realized that was not so.
[02:09] <micahg> is it ready for me to upload?
[02:10] <len-dt> Yes
[02:11] <len-dt> revision 178
[02:11] <len-dt> sorry 176
[02:11]  * micahg adds bug # and uploads
[02:23] <micahg> len-dt: are there any other US specific things needing to be fixed as that upload will require a rebuild
[02:25] <len-dt> I honestly can't think of anything.
[02:25] <len-dt> I am quite happy with what we have managed to get done
[04:10] <len-dt> There is a new respin for use with the menubar fix in it.
[04:11] <len-dt> 3.4% of a 2gig file for two or three lines of code :)
[04:35] <len-live> ailo, iso tested (live for now, I have to go to bed) menu bar is fixed. Thankyou ailo and micahg 
[04:35] <len-live> I will test it installed as well tomorrow.
[04:36] <len-live> good night all.
[05:53] <ailo> micahg: Ah, sorry. I went to sleep there. Thanks for the help on that. I'll make sure to follow procedure next time :(.
[05:55] <ailo> len-dt: Nice work again. I'll test the ISO once I get a chance. 
[13:22] <len-dt> smartboyhw, ok
[13:23] <smartboyhw> len-dt, scott-work Since the upgrade is not that good, maybe we can change the release notes so that we say "You can of course upgrade, but it is not recommended". Any other suggestions?:D
[13:24] <len-dt> That works for me. You can add that the user should manually install ubuntustudio-photography and ubuntustudio-publishing
[13:24] <smartboyhw> len-dt, let me for scott-work's approval then I will go and ask to change it in #ubuntu-release :D
[13:25] <smartboyhw> BTW is ttoine here?
[13:25] <smartboyhw> He (or she?) looks interested in that Open Week session:D
[13:32] <smartboyhw> len-dt, wait is that "put menu bar to the right" thing packaged and uploaded?
[13:32] <len-dt> Yes and I have seen it work at least on live
[13:32] <len-dt> I haven't had time to install
[13:32] <smartboyhw> len-dt, what is the name for that menu bar package?
[13:33] <len-dt> -settings
[13:33] <smartboyhw> len-dt, duh I updated setttings 4 hours ago and it doesn't stay on the right after reboot weird
[13:34] <len-dt> you would have to remove ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-panel.xml
[13:34] <smartboyhw> len-dt, eh
[13:35] <len-dt> on next login it will be recreated.
[13:36] <smartboyhw> OK
[13:37]  * len-dt is going
[13:38] <smartboyhw> bye len-dt q
[13:52] <smartboyhw> scott-work, can I do the change?
[14:10] <smartboyhw> OK respinning coming with ubuntustudio-default-settings version 0.39 :D
[14:27] <scott-work> smartboyhw: the release notes are in the wiki, you can probably search for them with "quantal quertzal" (or however it is spelled) and "release notes" to find them
[14:28] <scott-work> or skaet should have a link, i might somewhere but i can't remember where are the moment
[14:29] <scott-work> just for the record, i've never been a fan of upgrading from release to release and we even strongly discouraged upgrading to 12.04 due to the number of changes in Gnome -> XFCE
[14:29] <smartboyhw> scott-work, since len-dt thinks it isn't that good to upgrade I will add in "Upgrading from Ubuntu Studio 12.04" : Please install ubuntustudio-meta-photography and ubuntustudio-meta-publishing yourself" 
[14:29] <scott-work> and if your machine is really a production machine to create content, you probably don't want to be upgrading (and most likely fixing small breakage) each six months :/
[14:29] <smartboyhw> :/
[14:30] <scott-work> smartboyhw: you might preface that by saying something like "If you need the 'photography' and/or 'publishing' meta-packages, then...."
[14:30] <smartboyhw> scott-work, ah OK I will do the edit now then.
[14:30] <scott-work> okay, leaving for doctor's appointment
[14:30] <smartboyhw> scott-work, you're sick/
[14:30] <smartboyhw> ?
[14:30] <scott-work> yes, been four days now so i'm going to doctor finally
[14:31] <smartboyhw> Eh:(
[16:10] <knome> hey
[16:10] <knome> who's doing the US openweek session?
[16:10] <knome> i'm told you asked we could have a shared session
[16:20] <scott-work> knome: i don't think anyone has actually volunteered yet
[16:20] <scott-work> i consider that a volunteer might not be forthcoming
[16:34] <ailo> Was just bitching to Netflix for the lack of Linux support. It was just enabled as a service in Sweden. Silverlight (barf)
[16:34] <ailo> Great support, unless you have Linux. You get to chat with someone in a minute, but
[16:35] <ailo> Well, anyway..
[16:35] <ailo> scott-work: How's your schedule, regarding opening week?
[16:40] <ailo> I guess I could do it, if no one else volunteers
[16:41] <ailo> I'll have a look at what it's about..
[16:43] <ailo> knome: Are you guys doing some sort of a tutorial?
[16:44] <ailo> hehe, looking at previous logs
[16:45] <ailo> Well, some questions asked anyway.
[16:57] <knome> ailo, well... i don't know. i told not to count on us still :)
[16:57] <knome> and jose told me somebody from US told they'd like to do the session with us..
[17:01] <holstein> id love to do it... lemme check the time though, i dont hink i can
[17:01] <holstein> i did one before too, so i know generally the process
[17:01] <holstein> wednesday, 17:00 UTC ?
[17:03] <knome> that's it
[17:03] <ailo> holstein: Looks that way to me. Can you do it?
[17:04] <holstein> i will be on the road.. that looks like noon for me
[17:04] <holstein> i'll be driving to the theatre for a matinee and an evening show
[17:04] <ailo> Should be around noon, yes
[17:04] <holstein> i could go early, but i cant depend on the network there
[17:04] <holstein> its sketch
[17:04] <ailo> Are you driving? Use a smartphone, why don't you
[17:05] <holstein> hehe
[17:05] <knome> lol
[17:07] <ailo> holstein: Wed, next week, right?
[17:07] <knome> 24
[17:07] <knome> so... yeah
[17:07] <holstein> ailo: i got this show for 2 more weeks... lemme look
[17:07] <holstein> yeah. same on the 24th
[17:08] <scott-work> ailo: sorry, had people at my desk..mostly likely a cannot guarantee i can be available :(
[17:08] <holstein> sunday the 28th is my last performance \o/
[17:08] <ailo> I'll probably be at home, zipping a protein shake. I have time, anyway
[17:08] <ailo> sipping* (?)
[17:08] <knome> scott-work, wait, you don't irc when people are at your desk? do you realize how much geekyness points you lose?
[17:08] <scott-work> i have done it several times previously and i wouldn't mind doing it again, but i think it would be better to have someone else do it
[17:08] <scott-work> knome: hehe, yes and i could get fired as well :P
[17:09] <knome> duh
[17:09] <scott-work> i don't hide the fact that i'm on IRC, but i don't flaunt it either, to be honest
[17:09] <holstein> ailo: you can do it? that would be great :)
[17:09] <knome> i always try to do that when people are at my desk
[17:09] <knome> wait, i work from home...
[17:09] <ailo> heh, my office chair at home is my bed
[17:10] <holstein> len-dt: im getting some relevant lmms data
[17:10] <holstein> if you want to chat about it sometime
[17:10] <ailo> holstein: data?
[17:10] <holstein> yup... just user info from some folks
[17:11] <ailo> holstein: I guess you mean the chat on #opensourcemusicians 
[17:11] <ailo> Yea, I've heard of the bad jack support
[17:11] <ailo> However, it can be used with pulseaudio, or alsa
[17:12] <ailo> Which is not great, but as a newbie program, it is kind of
[17:12] <holstein> ailo: that and some other chats ive been having from time to time
[17:13] <holstein> floatingGoat has been using it in ubuntu
[17:34] <scott-work> if anyone else wants to review the release notes for studio: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseNotes/UbuntuStudio
[17:48] <ailo> scott-work: Looks good to me
[17:48] <ailo> We should probably add something more to the website about some changes
[17:49] <ailo> Like how to install graphic drivers, since it has changed
[17:49] <ailo> Not an Ubuntu Studio change. I added that as an Graphics issue to the release notes. Not exactly an issue, but not a Ubuntu Studio feature either
[17:50] <ailo> I'll start working on something tomorrow
[23:33] <len-1210> Next cycle we should spend some time on the double storage device problem.
[23:34] <len-1210> Thats the only real problem I see.
[23:41] <len-1210> Will someone please test the amd64 ISO?