[00:27] <litropy> Hi, all. My menus aren't showing up in any program. Menu apps are showing just fine, such as the time, nm-applet, et cetera, but it's just a bar where the menus should be.
[00:28] <litropy> This is both while maximized and not.
[00:37] <Hieberrr> I cannot wait for 12.10 :D Eeeeeeeek
[00:42] <pkulas> I have daily build
[00:42] <pkulas> but i think I will install final release in 2 days
[00:56] <Hieberrr> pkulas: Same. Although, I uninstalled 12.04 and I'm just waiting for 12.10
[01:58] <mrdeb> hello, pls help install nvidia current drive on 12.10 amd64
[01:58] <mrdeb> it does not work
[02:03] <bjsnider> yes it does
[02:04] <mrdeb> hello
[02:04] <mrdeb> how do u install it
[02:04] <bjsnider> use software center
[02:04] <mrdeb> i did and when it loads it has no driver and bad resolution
[02:04] <mrdeb> waht is the terminal way. nvidia-current doesnt work
[02:04] <bjsnider> i assure you it does
[02:04] <mrdeb> no
[02:05] <mrdeb> i am on it now
[02:05] <mrdeb> it loads no windows
[02:05] <mrdeb> i had to remove nvidia current
[02:05] <mrdeb> then it loads novueau
[02:05] <mrdeb> pls help
[02:06] <mrdeb> ...
[02:06] <bazhang> !enter | mrdeb
[02:07] <mrdeb> well can u help
[02:08] <bazhang> mrdeb, patience, for one. asking quickly and repeatedly will NOT get a quicker answer
[02:09] <mrdeb> ok
[02:09] <mrdeb> but i need help pls, or i hve to go bck to ubuntu 10.10
[02:10] <bazhang> mrdeb, 10.10 is not supported at all anymore
[02:10] <bazhang> there's nothing to go back to
[02:10] <mrdeb> it doesnt matter, bec it works well and u can install newest firefox on it
[02:10] <mrdeb> but i want to use 1210 if driver works
[02:12] <mrdeb> ok maybe i think ifi do apt get install nvidia current and dkms it will work
[02:13] <mrdeb> *cross finger*
[02:13] <SnapSnap> How do I upgrade to 12.10 beta from 12.04?
[02:14] <simplew> SnapSnap: add the repos and run apt-get update, apt-get upgrade
[02:14] <mrdeb> u can dl daily build and do it
[02:14] <SnapSnap> simplew, I tried to add the quantal-updates repository but couldn't quite figure it out.
[02:14] <bazhang> simplew, thats not the correct way
[02:15] <simplew> SnapSnap: well im quite new to deb/apt stuff, i have been in last 10uears a rpm guy
[02:15] <simplew> bazhang: well i only forgot to tell to sudo
[02:16] <bazhang> simplew, still not right
[02:16] <bazhang> simplew, if you dont know, please dont answer
[02:16] <simplew> bazhang: well please correct me
[02:16] <simplew> i thought it was that
[02:17] <SnapSnap> I tried sudo add-apt-repository https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/quantal-updates I'm not sure if it worked yet
[02:17] <simplew> SnapSnap: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/upgrade
[02:18] <bjsnider> SnapSnap, just use synaptic to enable it
[02:18] <bjsnider> you can also edit the text config file /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:18] <mrdeb> wow it looks like kernel headers not installed in daily build of 12.10 so nvidia fails.
[02:19] <mrdeb> why
[02:20] <simplew> mrdeb: i dont think your phrase is making sense
[02:21] <mrdeb> hold on , i will tell u if it works
[02:21] <Mneumonic> mrdeb yea that is true.  I installed the headers and then enabled the experiment driver.  No issues.  It is running amazingly well
[02:21] <mrdeb> ok Mneumonic so that's why it fails huh
[02:21] <Mneumonic> yep one sec
[02:21] <mrdeb> it is installing now
[02:21] <mrdeb> i just did apt get nvidia-current and dkms
[02:21] <Mneumonic> ok cool.  You should be able to install them now
[02:21] <mrdeb> it is building moduel
[02:22] <simplew> mrdeb: nvidia optimus?
[02:22] <mrdeb> no, normal nvidia
[02:22] <mrdeb> yes depmod is running
[02:22] <mrdeb> daily build has no headers installed so installing it fails
[02:22] <simplew> normal is the same as regular?
[02:22] <mrdeb> big mess up
[02:22] <mrdeb> yes
[02:23] <simplew> whats the difference between regular and normal?
[02:23] <mrdeb> what
[02:23] <mrdeb> it is nvidia-current
[02:24] <mrdeb> have to reboot
[02:24] <simplew> you dont need to reboot
[02:28] <mrdeb> ok it works now
[02:28] <mrdeb> so i can help ppl who need it now
[02:28] <simplew> mrdeb: you didnt needed to reboot
[02:29] <mrdeb> i know i can do stop lightdm
[02:29] <mrdeb> but it is cleaner
[02:29] <mrdeb> also, do u think ubutnu is safe now bec they sold out to amazon
[02:29] <mrdeb> ??
[02:29] <simplew> no, you simply could do dkms install the module
[02:30] <mrdeb> i dont understand
[02:30] <mrdeb> i like the minimize effect now
[02:30] <mrdeb> best thing with 1210
[02:32] <mrdeb> but it is still slower than gnome 3 with clutter
[02:33] <Mneumonic> I kind of like the amazon filter
[02:33] <mrdeb> y
[02:33] <Mneumonic> I see where it could be a bad idea if you have children around and they might accidentally see results they aren't supposed to see
[02:33] <Mneumonic> but I like being able to type in "Harry Potter" and see results for harry potter from amazon without even opening a web browser
[02:34] <mrdeb> well bad thing is now it will be like android
[02:34] <Mneumonic> ?
[02:34] <mrdeb> business and legal
[02:35] <mrdeb> no more fun linux
[02:36] <Mneumonic> i highly doubt amazon integration will mean anything long term for linux
[02:37] <mrdeb> well it is sellout move
[02:39] <Mneumonic> i can't blame Ubuntu for trying to earn money
[02:39] <Mneumonic> tons of people use Ubuntu without donating a dime
[02:40] <bazhang> mrdeb, then remove it
[02:40] <mrdeb> yes
[02:40] <bazhang> !adlens | mrdeb
[02:41] <mrdeb> how
[02:41] <mrdeb> wow really
[02:41] <bazhang> mrdeb, I just told you
[02:41] <mrdeb> ok thank you
[02:41] <Mneumonic> The only change I hope canonical makes is a button in settings that basically just apt-get remove unity-lens-shopping
[02:41] <Mneumonic> i can't see how anyone could complain then
[02:42] <mrdeb> i will do it now
[02:43] <mrdeb> ok i removed it but privacy still has inlcude online results
[02:43] <mrdeb> will this option stop af ter restart
[02:44] <fnord`> for some reason my 12.10 upgraded system didn't have unity-lens-shopping installed!
[02:44] <fnord`> where the hell is my spam?
[02:44] <fnord`> I have to log back in so I can see it
[02:44] <fnord`> brb
[02:45] <mrdeb> i cant decide if to use this 1210 or 1010 or debian
[02:45] <mrdeb> i liek one or other on different days
[02:47] <fnord`> kind of cool but I was hoping it would have books
[02:48] <mrdeb> ok
[02:51] <mrdeb> it feels like gnome 3 but hacked
[02:58] <bjsnider> you can use gnome-shell if you want
[02:58] <mrdeb> well if i want that i can do it with fedora
[03:00] <mrdeb> sound is good now with pulse
[03:00] <mrdeb> no crackle
[03:01] <mrdeb> so steam should be in software cente rnext
[03:05] <mrdeb> so bjsnider do u think 1210 is good
[03:05] <bjsnider> i don't see why you need all of these other linux flavours
[03:05] <bjsnider> quantal is enough
[03:06] <mrdeb> yes i jsut sometimes like it faster
[03:06] <mrdeb> i mean it is all the same really
[07:56] <krofna> Why does youtube completly eat my Intel i5 2500k? 100% CPU usage while video is loading, making computer unusable until video loads...
[07:57] <krofna> Which is kinda problem on 6hour compilations...
[07:59] <ghabit> How to install nvidia drivers in 12.10?
[08:03] <gnomefreak> ghabit: jockey (the same way as all other supported releases.
[08:03] <gnomefreak> )
[08:03] <ghabit> gnomefreak, the package is 'jockey-gtk'?
[08:03] <gnomefreak> ghabit: yes
[08:03] <gnomefreak> run it from terminal should be easiest
[08:04] <gnomefreak> well for me it is
[08:04] <ghabit> gnomefreak, so I have to install it, right?
[08:05] <gnomefreak> ghabit: no it should be installed for you
[08:05] <ghabit> gnomefreak, I'm asking because I have installed jockey-gtk, but cannot run this command.
[08:05] <ghabit> gnomefreak, nope, I have not here.
[08:05] <gnomefreak> is it now running when you run jockey-gtk?
[08:06] <gnomefreak> ok that is odd
[08:06] <ghabit> gnomefreak, I have installed 'jockey-gtk', but no 'jockey-gtk' command.
[08:06] <gnomefreak> it must have been removed, other thanusing software center or the like
[08:07] <gnomefreak> ghabit: int nvidia-common installed?
[08:07] <gnomefreak> s/int/isnt
[08:07] <ghabit> gnomefreak, nope.
[08:08] <gnomefreak> ghabit: it is installed here and i dont have a nvidia card, it was installed by default
[08:09] <gnomefreak> gnomefreak@Development:~$ policy nvidia-common
[08:09] <gnomefreak> nvidia-common: Installed: 1:0.2.71 Candidate: 1:0.2.71 Version table:
[08:10] <ghabit> gnomefreak, well, should I install jockey-kde?
[08:10] <gnomefreak> ghabit: do you have kde?
[08:10] <ghabit> gnomefreak, no.
[08:11] <ghabit> I just want to have drivers somehow :)
[08:11] <gnomefreak> gnomefreak@Development:~$ policy jockey-gtk
[08:11] <gnomefreak> jockey-gtk: Installed: 0.9.7-0ubuntu11 Candidate: 0.9.7-0ubuntu11
[08:11] <gnomefreak> it was installed here by default
[08:12] <ghabit> gnomefreak, it is fresh system here.
[08:12] <ghabit> 10 minutes ago I was instaled it.
[08:12] <ghabit> And I'm telling true!
[08:12] <gnomefreak> ghabit: Jockey GTK has been superseded by software-properties, which now handles third-party driver configuration.
[08:13] <ghabit> gnomefreak, got it!
[08:13]  * gnomefreak not saying you are not truthful i am just giving you facts 
[08:22] <ghabit> anyone else has solved nvidia problem?
[10:12] <nitin1> hello everyone, I upgraded from 12.04 to 12.10 beta today, and the messaging menu is missing. The only application I use from that menu is Pidgin. Is this a known issue ?
[10:14] <d0od> nitin1: AFAIK, yes.
[10:15] <d0od> nitin1: If no applications that use the messaging menu is present the menu hides. I assume there's a plugin or checkbox that needs ticking for pidgin to use the messaging menu
[10:18] <nitin1> I haven't needed any extra plugins before this, and the integration was automatic before this. So I am wondering what can be done for this
[10:24] <foobArrr> woot? no more alternate cd? has the normal installer learned to setup lvm + luks?
[10:26] <d0od> nitin1: Hmm. I've just installed Pidgin on my 12.10 and get the same thing. There doesn't seem to be a setting or additional plugin that enables it, either. I'll have a google.
[10:29] <nitin1> thanks for the taking the trouble d0od, seems like pidgin does not register as messaging menu application, neither does this skype-messaging-menu wrapper I was using to launch skype from the the messaging menu
[10:34] <nitin1> also if it helps, pidgin quits if you close the main window, instead of running in the background, and you can run multiple instances of the application. All point to no "system-tray" support
[10:35] <nitin1> anyway, I am off to work - giving tech support to windows 8 ;). so I guess this will have to wait till I get back later
[11:44] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[12:22] <BluesKaj> !schedule
[12:25] <drbobb> hi, any idea whether a fix for the synaptiks/touchpanel config breakage is in sight? release is coming close..
[12:25] <drbobb> and the inability to switch off the touchpad is killing me.
[12:26] <drbobb> Maybe someone knows of a workaround?
[13:02] <Mneumonic> Is there a way to turn off the hiding of the appmenu (global menu)?
[13:03] <Mneumonic> I like the idea but I don't like that it is hidden
[13:04] <philinux> Mneumonic: yep. top right gear choose system settings > appearance> behaviour tab
[13:05] <Mneumonic> philinux not the unity bar
[13:05] <Mneumonic> the appmenu with "file, edit" and the rest on it
[13:07] <philinux> Mneumonic: ah ok you mean you dont like u have to mouse up to top left to make it appear
[13:07] <Mneumonic> yea
[13:07] <Mneumonic> I'd prefer if it was always visible
[13:10] <philinux> Mneumonic: the setting is in compiz config settings manager
[13:10] <Mneumonic> is it safe to run that in 12.10?
[13:10] <philinux> within the unity plugin.
[13:11] <philinux> Safe as in be careful
[13:12] <philinux> the setting is toggled via "menu always visible"
[13:12] <Mneumonic> philinux thanks!
[13:12] <philinux> Mneumonic: at least in theory thats it
[13:12] <philinux> y
[13:13] <philinux> I'm curious so i'll installl ccsm and have a look
[13:18] <philinux> Mneumonic: that feature didnt make it in 12.10
[13:19] <philinux> Mneumonic: u can delay the autohiding to a max 10 seconds. default it 2
[13:21] <philinux> Mneumonic: scroll to bottom http://askubuntu.com/questions/25785/can-auto-hide-for-the-application-menu-be-turned-off-in-unity
[13:22] <philinux> the other way would be to remove the global menu feature
[13:22] <Mneumonic> I ran 12.04 with it removed
[13:22] <Mneumonic> That is probably what i will do in 12.10
[13:23] <philinux> in 12.04 it was this sudo apt-get autoremove appmenu-gtk appmenu-gtk3 appmenu-qt
[13:23] <philinux> not sure if it's the same for 12.10. Personally I've got used to it
[13:27] <bkfitz> Question: I'm running 12.10 beta 2 upgraded and cant seem to find compiz settings...need window snap 1/2 screen functionality
[13:29] <philinux> install compizconfig-settings-manager
[13:30] <philinux> bkfitz: but be careful with it
[13:30] <bkfitz> thx... i thought this fx was default in previous ubuntu classic's
[13:31] <bkfitz> i wonder if I'm in (no effects) mode??
[13:31] <bkfitz> pretty sure I logged into just 'Classic'
[13:32] <philinux> bkfitz: I just dragged my xchat window hard left ad it snapped half screen
[13:32] <bkfitz> exactly
[13:32] <bkfitz> why issn't this working for me
[13:33] <philinux> bkfitz: if u minimise an app does it do it with a fade effect
[13:33] <bkfitz> just the outline
[13:33] <philinux> sounds like unity 2d with the lvmpipe thing
[13:33] <philinux> no effects
[13:33] <bkfitz> just installed 12.10 on my new x1 carbon, then did a upgrade, then logged into 'classic'
[13:34] <philinux> classic will not do the snapping lark or any other effects IIRC
[13:34] <philinux> cos it's coming from the unity plugin
[13:34] <bkfitz> so you guys are running unity?
[13:35] <Mneumonic> bkfitz yea i'm running unity
[13:35] <Mneumonic> I also use XFCE
[13:35] <philinux> bkfitz: i am sure
[13:35] <bkfitz> ... i'm pretty sure in 12.04 classic mode, window snapping compiz was set by default
[13:36] <bkfitz> but apparently not in 12.10
[13:36] <Mneumonic> window snapping?
[13:36] <philinux> bkfitz: no idea
[13:36] <Mneumonic> like when you drag it to the top and it makes it fullscreen?
[13:36] <bkfitz> correct
[13:36] <Mneumonic> it is enabled by default on my 12.10
[13:36] <bkfitz> or right side and it snaps 1/2
[13:36] <bkfitz> 12.10 Classic or Unity?
[13:36] <philinux> 12.10 unity
[13:36] <Mneumonic> Unity
[13:36] <bkfitz> right
[13:37] <bkfitz> i'll try the compiz settings manager
[13:37] <philinux> bkfitz: I have no classic option at login. I would have to install the gnome fallback thing which includes gnome-panle
[13:37] <Mneumonic> in Compiz Config Manager it is called "Grid"
[13:37] <bkfitz> ok thx
[13:37] <arshavin> hey can anyone help me change the bold fonts on xubuntu 12.10 desktop icons
[13:37] <Mneumonic> it should be enabled by default
[13:38] <bkfitz> i just enabled 'fading windows' and it said you must enable opengl, so i did that
[13:38] <philinux> bkfitz: ah there u go you may get it working then
[13:38] <bkfitz> yeah... thx... do i need to log off/in to enable or can i just bash restart compiz
[13:39] <arshavin> System fonts are droid sasn regular but desktop icon fonts are quite bold and disgusting but there is no font change otion
[13:40] <bkfitz> gonna restart... may be back if it doesn't work :)
[13:40] <bkfitz> thx
[13:41] <Mneumonic> hmm 12.10 seems too buggy in some areas
[13:41] <arshavin> how do i change desktop fonts in xubuntu 12.10
[13:41] <Mneumonic> I installed Virtualbox from the website and there is no launcher in my dash or menu. the only way to launch it is in a terminal
[13:41] <Mneumonic> That is not intuitive
[13:42] <arshavin> xubuntu has been quite good apart form apport crashes that seem to be part of all releases whether
[13:43] <arshavin> but I need to change my desktop fonts in xubuntu
[13:45] <arshavin> anyone using xubuntu 12.10 already
[13:45] <arshavin> ?
[13:47] <bazhang> arshavin, yes of course, many are
[13:49] <arshavin> bazhang is there a way to change the deskte?op icon fonts typ
[13:50] <bazhang> arshavin, the entire system wide font?
[13:51] <arshavin> bazhang no just desktop icon fonts
[13:52] <arshavin> bazhang i can change system font from settings but not the desktop fonts they are like quite bold and ugly
[13:58] <arshavin> anyone with desktop font issue in xubuntu 12.10
[14:00] <arshavin> one more thing no weather applet connects to internet in xubuntu 12.10
[14:01] <drbobb> okay, so nobody knows anything about the issue of broken touchpad settings module?
[14:01] <drbobb> no fix or workaround?
[14:06] <arshavin> okay is there anyone who can help me with this font thing iin xubuntu 12.10 ?
[14:14] <bkfitz> soo.... after enabling compiz i have everything working except: my min,max,close buttons are gone on ubuntu windows... in fact the entire bar is gone ;(
[14:14] <bkfitz> chrome window has them, but any ubuntu window does not
[14:35] <bkfitz> soo.... after enabling compiz i have everything working except: my min,max,close buttons are gone on ubuntu windows... in fact the entire bar is gone ;(
[14:53] <SnapSnap> How do I update to Quantal from Precise?
[14:56] <philinux> SnapSnap: in a terminal the command is  update-manager -d
[14:57] <philinux> after the 18th update manager itself will tell u of an upgrade path
[14:57] <SnapSnap> philinux, That was easy. Thanks.
[15:49] <machiavel> Hi, I updated my HTPC running Ubuntu + XBMC to the latest beta. But now my nvidia driver was also updated - removing the very convenient sliders to compensate the overscan on my TV. I read stuff about xrandr... is there an alternate way to adjust the display settings to fit my screen: what is the most recent old driver that has these adjustable sliders?
[15:51] <Strav`> Hi! Small question: is anyone else having their key bindings (mainly for windows minimizing, maximizing and closing) overwritten by the defaults on each reboot?
[15:53] <machiavel> I found that 192.36.15 should still work with sliders (I cant remember which version I had), but its over two years old...
[15:59] <BluesKaj> machiavel, the latest nvidia-current driver is 304.51 and for some cards it's still the 304.43 , which i use atm , there are no sliders but no overscan either ..the resolution setting doesn't help ?
[16:04] <machiavel> BluesKaj, can only select 1920x1080 (Full hd screen)
[16:04] <BluesKaj> machiavel, is the overscan really bad ?
[16:04] <machiavel> i'll look into the version later tonight
[16:04] <machiavel> yeah
[16:05] <machiavel> LP
[16:05] <machiavel> :P
[16:05] <machiavel> unfortunately
[16:05] <BluesKaj> does the nvidia gui recognize your tv make ?
[16:05] <machiavel> the gnome shell favorites on the left are barely visble
[16:05] <machiavel> that it does...
[16:05] <machiavel> i gotta run
[16:06] <machiavel> i'll just keep on trying
[16:08] <BluesKaj> i'm using a 42" Panasonic plasma which is only 2 yrs old , dvi to hdmi , with very little if any overscan ...I understabd some vgas are not so easy to setup
[16:21] <bjsnider> machiavel, "This can be configured, with finer granularity, through the ViewPortIn and ViewPortOut MetaMode attributes."
[16:21] <bjsnider> just research those attributes and you'll be able to reverse overscan
[16:32] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, where would that mode setting be located ?, doesn't seem to exist in the nvidia gui
[17:06] <bjsnider> BluesKaj, they are attributes that must be put in xorg.conf. you can find out info about how to set them in the readme that accompanies the driver
[17:40] <fm__> running gnome3 is very fast, while unity is sluggish at best on the same box. is there any way to change the acceleration used by unity, or something?
[17:49] <pmatulis> anyone else experiencing hard lockups?  my old TP froze twice today
[17:50] <jackhill> Hello, I am trying to cofigure polkit to disallow non-admins from reboot a machine. I have added http://paste.ubuntu.com/1283535 to /etc/polkit-1/localauth/50-local.d/, but even unprivledged uses can reboot the machine.
[17:50] <jackhill> If I change all instances of auth_admin to no no one can reboot the machine which is the expected result.
[17:50] <jackhill> Is this a bug or do I not understand polkit?
[17:51] <jackhill> s/localauth/localauthority/
[17:51] <leoquant> pmatulis, compiz related?
[17:52] <pmatulis> leoquant: no
[17:52] <leoquant> no bug reports?
[17:53] <jrib> jackhill: you're sure that a user neither in the "admin" group nor in the "sudo" group can still shutdown?
[17:53] <pmatulis> leoquant: none that i could find
[17:53] <leoquant> hmm
[17:53] <pmatulis> leoquant: it's mostly troubling b/c this TP is 6 yrs old.  usually very well supported
[17:53] <leoquant> pmatulis, your running an old machine, what specs?
[17:54] <leoquant> pmatulis, indeed
[17:54] <jackhill> jrib: my problem is that when I use auth_admin users not in admin or sudo can shutdown.
[17:54] <pmatulis> leoquant: TP T60, core2 duo, it's still very decent
[17:54] <jrib> jackhill: how are you shutting down?
[17:54] <jrib> brb
[17:55] <leoquant> you could take a look at swappiness 10/20/30/40/
[17:55] <leoquant> default is 60?
[17:56] <pmatulis> leoquant: any reason why you mention swappiness?  i have 3 GB of memory if it matters.  plenty for what i'm doing
[17:57] <leoquant> yeah indeed
[17:57] <pmatulis> leoquant: and, yes, i have a value of 60
[17:57] <jackhill> jrib: oops, I was wrong, unprivledged users cannot shutdown, choosing shutdown just ends their session.
[17:57] <leoquant> you could set it to even to 10/20
[17:57] <jackhill> This is from the KDE shutdown widget
[17:58] <jackhill> However even people in the sudo group cannot shutdown.
[17:59] <leoquant> pmatulis, i have no idea bout the lock-ups
[17:59] <leoquant> sorry
[17:59] <pmatulis> leoquant: might help, changed it.  thanks anyway
[18:02] <jrib> jackhill: so the problem is that no one, not even members of the sudo group, can shutdown even though you've specified "auth_admin"?
[18:02] <jackhill> jrib: correct.
[18:04] <jackhill> KDM and lightdm-kde-greeter display different behavior for their shutown buttens as well. KDM will shutdown the computer (with auth_admin), lightdm will not (no error message though)
[18:08] <jrib> jackhill: hmm, one thing to check: there's also org.freedesktop.consolekit.stop-multiple-users
[18:16] <jackhill> jrib: no difference
[18:22] <jackhill> another datum, setting auth_self does not ask for the user password, it instead just ends the user session.
[19:40] <blob4000> is there any downside to simply updating 12.04.1 when 12.10 is out, or is there a noticeable benefit to wiping and installing 12.10 fresh?
[19:41] <bazhang> nope
[19:41] <bazhang> may as well do it now
[19:41] <bazhang> skip the melting servers
[19:42] <smallfoot-> I just got a PayPal account and donated to GIMP. I don't even want to donate to Ubuntu because Unity is adware and spyware.
[19:43] <bazhang> smallfoot-, what?
[19:43] <smallfoot-> displays ads, shows porn, sends all your searches to amazon and other companies
[19:43] <bazhang> smallfoot-, stop it
[19:43] <smallfoot-> Okay, sorry.
[19:43] <bazhang> !adlens | smallfoot-
[19:46] <blob4000> thanks
[19:46] <natman> when is Kubuntu 12.10 out?
[19:47] <smallfoot-> in 12.10, 10/12
[19:47] <smallfoot-> october :D
[19:47] <smallfoot-> this month
[19:47] <pepee> 12/10
[19:47] <smallfoot-> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseSchedule
[19:47] <bazhang> natman, same time afaik
[19:47] <smallfoot-> October 18
[19:47] <blob4000> isn't 12.10 out oct 18? yeah
[19:48] <yofel> pmatulis: I'm getting some random hard freezes on my T510 as well, but not very frequent and I can't really see a pattern there :/
[19:48] <natman> cool thanks, anyone been using it? how does it compare to 12.04?
[19:48] <natman> kubuntu i mean
[19:48] <bazhang> superb
[19:49] <bazhang> !find plasma
[19:49] <blob4000> i still can't get 12.10 to run smooth at all on virtualbox as a guest. the virtualbox video driver/module doesn't seem to load. it's sluggish as heck
[19:49] <bazhang> !info kde-plasma-desktop
[19:50] <smallfoot-> Is Debian uglier or more difficult to use than Ubuntu?
[19:51] <dmatt> blob4000: http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2012/10/a-journey-through-virtualization/
[19:51] <bazhang> smallfoot-, thats not a support question
[19:57] <pmatulis> yofel: acknowledged
[19:58] <blob4000> thanks dmatt
[20:00] <dmatt> np
[20:07] <jackhill> jrib: changeing my pkla file to http://paste.ubuntu.com/1283787/ does not allow people in the sudo group to shutdown.
[20:11] <jrib> jackhill: don't know; I'm not familiar enough with polkit
[20:16] <jackhill> jrib: 12.04 behaves the same way, so at least it isn't a (new) bug. Thanks for your help.
[20:17] <foobArrr> I just logged in KDE and now my xfce has that ugly kde look, too. what's wrong there? http://s3.imgimg.de/uploads/xfcelookslikekde0b1ad652jpg.jpg
[20:17] <jrib> jackhill: if I were in your shoes, I might try something other than shutdown (like running an app or printing (something easy)); just to see if there's a difference
[20:18]  * jackhill nods
[20:30] <yofel> foobArrr: try to delete ~/.config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini
[20:31] <yofel> and ~/.gtkrc-2.0 possibly
[20:33] <foobArrr> yofel: worked, thanks
[20:34] <foobArrr> hm, colors are still kdeish
[20:35] <foobArrr> nevermind, thanks
[20:50] <Ghabit> Hello. Is released some iso newer than 15.10.2012?
[20:54] <yofel> Ghabit: not yet, most of them are being rebuilt though: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/240/builds
[20:55] <Ghabit> yofel, rebuilding means soon will be newer version? (looking at ubuntu amd64 desktop.
[20:56] <yofel> yes
[20:57] <Ghabit> yofel, thank you! :)
[20:57] <Ghabit> Is that long - rebuilding process? I mean hour, or day?
[20:58] <yofel> no idea, queuebot in #ubuntu-testing will tell when it's done
[21:27] <drbobb> does anyone know of a workaround for the broken touchpad settings?
[21:27] <drbobb> I can't type while my touchpad is on and being unable to switch it off is driving me crazy
[21:30] <OerHeks> drbobb, does your laptop have a FN key to switch off touchpad/enable external mouse ?
[21:31] <drbobb> yes it does, but it doesn't work in the beta
[21:31] <drbobb> I mean it does nothing
[21:32] <drbobb> FWIW, using a Lenovo G560
[21:43] <drbobb> seriously, nobody else finds this to be a problem?
[21:44] <OerHeks> hardware FN key should work.
[21:44] <OerHeks> maybe only if you attach an external mouse ?
[21:46] <drbobb> I use an external mouse all the time
[21:51]  * MrChrisDruif waves at OerHeks 
[21:51] <drbobb> hey that's funny, I just hit fn-f4 and it seems to have switched the touchpad off
[21:51] <drbobb> I tried it like a hundred times before, and it never did
[21:51] <drbobb> but now, hitting it again does not toggle back on
[21:52] <OerHeks> drbobb, some FN keys have 3 stages, touchpad, mouse,touchpad+mouse...
[21:53] <drbobb> ah, it should have been fn-f6
[21:54] <drbobb> fn-f4 indeed does nothing, but i'm not sure what it's supposed to
[21:54] <drbobb> the teeny-tiny icons look pretty meaningless
[21:55] <drbobb> so it's not that bad
[21:55] <drbobb> still, synaptiks has the nifty option to suppress the touchpad only while you type
[21:55] <drbobb> so it's not cool to lose that
[22:01] <OerHeks> drbobb, i cannot find a bugreport on that, maybe you can start one ?
[22:01] <drbobb> it's been reported, but no indication that a fix is coming
[22:06] <dmatt> drbobb: which desktop environment do you use?
[22:19] <drbobb> I use kde, but unity and gnome have the same issue
[22:34] <Ghabit> build downloading is ssso slowly.
[22:34] <Ghabit> Dniwe.\
[23:15] <BarkingFish> Morning guys - anyone in here upgraded to the QQ beta yet?
[23:16] <BarkingFish> I tried earlier this evening, and it damn near drove me to insanity.  All my old mirrors from precise got deleted, and it wound up adding mirrors from Quetzal which were utterly busted.
[23:47] <bjsnider> that's what it's supposed to do