[01:11] <jbicha> jcastro_: boxes isn't tested much in Ubuntu
[01:12] <jbicha> is your host 32-bit or 64-bit? do you have hardware virtualization?
[01:18] <jbicha> I really, really hope that we can just delay the next October Ubuntu release by a week so that we don't have to file SRU bugs for all of the gnome .1 release
[04:39] <pitti> Good morning
[04:50] <BigWhale> Good Morning Everyone.
[04:57] <RAOF> Everyone: good morning BigWhale
[05:10] <BigWhale> Hey RAOF. :)
[05:10] <BigWhale> Ok, office time and it's pouring outside ... :/ *cringe*
[05:38] <didrocks> good morning
[05:43] <pitti> bonjour didrocks
[05:43] <didrocks> guten morgen pitti
[05:50] <RAOF> pitti: Is there a way to prod the armhf retracers to get to bug #1063055, or should I be spinning up an armhf schroot?
[05:50] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1063055 in colord "colord-sane crashed with SIGABRT in raise()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1063055
[05:51] <pitti> RAOF: we do not have armhf retracers
[05:51] <RAOF> pitti: Ah. So where it's got the ‘needs-armhf-retrace’ tag, that's a filthy lie?
[05:51] <pitti> RAOF: well, not quite -- it does _need_ it, we just don't have anything to satisfy that need :/
[05:52] <RAOF> Heh
[05:52] <RAOF> Ok; one schroot + apport-retrace coming up.
[05:52] <pitti> \o/
[06:32] <jibel> good morning
[06:34] <didrocks> salut jibel
[06:35] <jibel> Bonjour didrocks , ça va ?
[06:35] <didrocks> jibel: on fait aller, et toi?
[06:36] <jibel> didrocks, Un peu cassé, à force de faire du testing jusqu'à pas d'heure, mais ça va, ça va.
[07:53] <seb128> hey desktopers
[07:53] <didrocks> salut seb128
[07:54] <jibel> bonjour seb128
[07:56] <seb128> lut didrocks, jibel, vous allez bien ?
[07:56] <didrocks> seb128: et toi?
[07:56] <jibel> seb128, ça va bien
[07:57] <seb128> ca va bien ;-) pas complètement réveillé mais je travaille dessus avec du café :p
[07:57] <didrocks> seb128: meeting report reminder
[07:58] <seb128> didrocks, oh, right, thanks ;-)
[07:58] <didrocks> yw
[08:21] <pitti> bonjour seb128
[08:21] <seb128> pitti, hey, wie gehts?
[08:22] <pitti> seb128: je vais bien, merci! et toi?
[08:22] <seb128> pitti, moi aussi, merci ;-)
[08:25] <Laney> morning
[08:25]  * Laney is →← close to buying SSD for laptop
[08:26] <mvo> seb128: good morning! do you happen to know if there is a special css component in the gtk bugzilla? I found a memleak that makes me rather unhappy
[08:28] <seb128> Laney, do it! ;-)
[08:28] <Laney> just did it for desktop
[08:28] <Laney> and now the laptop feels unusable :P
[08:29] <seb128> mvo, hey, how are you? No specific component I know about, just open a bug and maybe ping Company about it on IRC
[08:29] <mvo> Laney: haha, happend for me as well
[08:29] <seb128> Laney, hehe
[08:29] <mvo> Laney: the other way around though, got a ssd in the laptop and wouldn't touch the desktop anymore
[08:29] <mvo> seb128: thanks
[08:46] <mlankhorst> mvo: can i ping you on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/1062503 ?
[08:46] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1062503 in apt "apt fails to install libglapi-mesa-lts-quantal correctly on switching x stacks" [High,New]
[08:47] <mvo> mlankhorst: yes, sorry, release crayiness stopped me
[08:47] <mlankhorst> no worries :)
[08:50] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[08:54] <seb128> chrisccoulson, hey, how are you?
[09:00] <xnox> Does anyone have any idea there "Start Screen Saver" item comes from in this screenshot: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/119833082/Screenshot%20from%202012-10-15%2014%3A02%3A43.png
[09:00] <xnox> I can't find it in ubiquity.... but what else?
[09:05] <seb128> xnox, indicator-session
[09:06] <seb128> xnox, those icons on the top right are indicators
[09:06] <xnox> seb128: true. except that we fake them in install only ubiquity session.
[09:06] <xnox> static gchar * indicator_order[] = {
[09:06] <xnox>   "indicator-session-devices",
[09:06] <xnox>   "indicator-sound",
[09:06] <xnox>   "nm-applet",
[09:06] <xnox>   "bluetooth-manager",
[09:06] <xnox>   "ubiquity",
[09:06] <xnox>   "keyboard",
[09:07] <xnox>   NULL
[09:07] <xnox> };
[09:07]  * xnox is confused.
[09:07] <seb128> xnox, is the issue the "non translated"?
[09:08] <xnox> seb128: the issue is that we make a gsettings call to "disable all screensavers" during install (as black screen is confusing during slow installs), yet that item is present in the menu.
[09:08] <xnox> I'd rather not have that item there at all, while ubiquity is running.
[09:08] <xnox> Any magical gsettings I can flip to make it disappear?
[09:10] <seb128> xnox, translation issue was https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1037001
[09:10] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1037001 in ubiquity "[l10n][zh_CN] Indicator menus should be fully localized for installer" [High,Fix released]
[09:11] <seb128> xnox, no, you would need code patch, it seems a good idea to open a bug against indicator-session asking for that item to be hidden if the key to disable screenlocking is set
[09:11] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, i'm good thanks. how are you?
[09:11] <xnox> seb128: well we reload some indicators which are purely ours, but not all of them. Thanks for the pointer.
[09:11] <chrisccoulson> i wish my builds in https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa/ would stop failing!
[09:13] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I'm good thanks
[09:14] <seb128> chrisccoulson, did they change api again?
[09:14] <chrisccoulson> seb128, not sure. it's because of the patches we carry
[09:14] <chrisccoulson> i spend too much time refreshing patches ;)
[09:15] <xnox> seb128: ok, but how come in the installed (my) system I don't have that item?
[09:15] <seb128> xnox, you should, I've it there
[09:15] <seb128> xnox, do you have gnome-screensaver installed?
[09:16] <xnox> yes.
[09:16] <xnox> "Lock/Switch Accounts" Ctrl-Alt-L is what I have....
[09:16] <xnox> "Lock/Switch Account..." Ctrl-Alt-L is what I have....
[09:17] <seb128> oh
[09:17] <seb128> I know what you mean now, different wordings
[09:17] <seb128> let me check
[09:18] <xnox> come to think of it, I have power management (screens turn off) and screen locks, but I've yet to see an actual screensaver on my system.
[09:18] <xnox> maybe my system is non-standard though..... but it ought to be.
[09:18] <xnox> are you telling me there is cool screensaver I never saw?
[09:18] <seb128> "screensaver", like drawings on screen?
[09:19] <seb128> those got dropped in GNOME3
[09:20] <seb128> xnox, ok, so the mode is defined by
[09:20] <seb128> get_switcher_mode()
[09:20] <seb128>   const gboolean can_lock = !g_settings_get_boolean (mgr->lockdown_settings,
[09:20] <seb128>                                                      "disable-lock-screen");
[09:20] <seb128>   const gboolean can_switch = is_user_switching_allowed (mgr);
[09:21] <seb128> xnox, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1282746/
[09:21] <seb128> basically
[09:23] <xnox> seb128: interesting. Which package is that? I want to see is_this_live_session() & is_this_guest_session()
[09:23] <seb128> xnox, indicator-session src/session-menu-mgr.c
[09:23] <xnox> we change: gs_schema = 'org.gnome.desktop.screensaver' gs_key = 'idle-activation-enabled'
[09:23] <xnox> maybe we should flic disable-lock-screen then.
[09:23] <xnox> as well.
[09:29] <seb128> xnox, you probably should
[11:03] <glatzor> hello mvo
[11:03]  * glatzor is in schwerer not
[11:03] <glatzor> mvo, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aptdaemon/+bug/1066457
[11:03] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1066457 in aptdaemon "Missing dpkg-dev dependency results in false bad quality warnings when installing local packages" [Critical,In progress]
[11:21] <dholbach> hiya
[11:21] <dholbach> do you have an opinion about this one? https://code.launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/ubuntu/quantal/lightdm-gtk-greeter/lang-chooser-on-by-default/+merge/129758
[11:22] <dholbach> it's arguably a bit late
[11:31] <mvo> glatzor: hello, let me have a look
[11:31] <seb128> dholbach, hey ;-)
[11:31] <mvo> glatzor: "schwere not" oh oh
[11:31]  * mvo hugs glatzor
[11:31] <seb128> dholbach, it's a question for the flavors that use the gtk greeter, Ubuntu uses unity-greeter; I think e.g xubuntu uses the gtk one
[11:31] <dholbach> ahhhhhh ok
[11:31] <dholbach> I understand
[11:42]  * glatzor waves to seb128 and dholbach 
[11:42] <glatzor> servus!
[11:42] <dholbach> hey glatzor :)
[11:42] <seb128> glatzor, hey, how are you?
[11:42] <glatzor> I am fine :) and your self?
[11:42] <glatzor> thanks mvo
[11:45] <dholbach> is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/totem/+bug/1065324 something we will get in anyway through a 3.4.4 release as SRU or is it something we would like to get in through -proposed sooner?
[11:46] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1065324 in totem "Totem-mozilla plugin fails to display video in online .mov & .mp4" [Medium,Fix released]
[11:46] <seb128> glatzor, I'm good thanks
[11:46] <seb128> dholbach, will you be at UDS?
[11:46] <dholbach> seb128, yes
[11:46] <seb128> doh
[11:46] <seb128> glatzor, will you be at UDS
[11:47] <seb128> dholbach, thanks :p let that totem bug to me, I will handle it as well
[11:47] <dholbach> seb128, awesome
[11:47] <glatzor> seb128, Unfortunately not. I was too late to get it sponsored (I was travelling arround in August without a computer and so missed the date)
[11:47] <seb128> dholbach, ok, fine, you convinced me I should review desktopish items on the sponsor list this afternoon
[11:47] <seb128> dholbach, so feel free to let me anything desktopish
[11:48] <seb128> glatzor, hum, ok, maybe next time then!
[11:48] <dholbach> seb128, perfect
[11:48] <glatzor> seb128, you never know :)
[12:29] <desrt> good morning
[12:54] <dholbach> seb128, is https://code.launchpad.net/~darkxst/gnome-shell/apport-hook-update-lp1058845/+merge/127410 something we should still get in?
[12:55] <Laney> pitti: you working on glib 2.34.1? do you dare touch it any more? :P
[12:56] <pitti> Laney: I'm not ATM; I've got a few tasks to finish before I could start on it
[12:56] <Laney> oh, but you do plan on
[12:56] <pitti> no, I didn't
[12:56] <pitti> I don't do desktop stuff unless someone asks me to, except pygobject
[12:57] <Laney> right, I will then
[12:57] <Laney> I wasn't clear on whether you were still doing it
[13:06] <seb128> dholbach, that's one for jbicha
[13:06] <dholbach> ah great
[13:06] <seb128> Laney, do you plan to SRU that?
[13:11] <Laney> seb128: I think so
[13:11] <seb128> Laney, ok, glib seems fine, gtk not really
[13:12] <Laney> yeah, "huge refactoring" really gives me confidence
[13:12] <seb128> they did refactoring in a stable update again...
[13:12] <seb128> that's 2 series in a row, they rewrote GtkIconView in a stable update in 3.4
[13:12] <seb128> I officially hate GNOME handling of "stable" series :-(
[13:13] <jcastro_> didrocks: hey, the link I posted there was to the script without the shelling out to commands.
[13:13] <jcastro_> didrocks: anyway they've been working on it, so there will be more updates today
[13:13] <didrocks> jcastro_: I would love that, we can even SRU it IMHO
[13:14] <jcastro_> oh really? nice!
[13:14] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, i hate upstreams who rewrite stuff in stable updates too ;)
[13:14] <Laney> hrhr
[13:15] <chrisccoulson> talking of gtk, i need to make myself a debug build
[13:16] <Laney> probably some cherry-picks can be done for gtk though
[13:17] <seb128> Laney, yeah, I'm leaning toward not spending too much time on nonLTS SRUs though
[13:18] <jbicha> dholbach: yes, but maybe we'll just bundle with gnome-shell 3.6.1
[13:18] <seb128> we have enough work we will need to get done next cycle
[13:18] <seb128> so I would rather start on that early
[13:24] <dholbach> jbicha, cool
[13:56] <bcurtiswx> good morning
[15:28] <seb128> kenvandine, didrocks, chrisccoulson, Ursinha, Laney, mlankhorst, cyphermox, mterry, tkamppeter, robru: it's meeting time, if anyone has a topic (none on the wiki so far), also please update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2012-10-16 with things you worked on this week for those who didn't write anything yet
[15:30]  * kenvandine waves
[15:31] <seb128> kenvandine, hey ;-)
[15:41] <desrt> pitti: is there any way that apport can make note of the time that has elapsed between the coredump occuring and the dialog actually being presented to the user?
[15:41] <desrt> ie: so we can make better guesses about issues that happened at shutdown only to be reported with a dialog at the next bootup?
[16:35] <seb128> Laney, can you cherry pick http://git.gnome.org/browse/glib/commit/?id=212ffcc574d929ca0715960b4f29a4aab909a251 when you update/SRU glib?
[16:35] <seb128> Laney, it fixes one of the most reported issues on e.u.c
[16:37] <Laney> seb128: sure
[16:39] <seb128> Laney, thanks
[17:23] <kenvandine> davmor2, i uploaded the dialpad icon fix to -proposed
[17:23] <kenvandine> davmor2, when you see the SRU accepted, please verify it
[17:24] <davmor2> kenvandine: nice, will do
[17:25] <kenvandine> thx
[22:03] <jasoncwarner_> bryceh robert_ancell RAOF and TheMuso reminder about weekly meeting and update items https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2012-10-16
[22:03]  * bryceh waves
[22:04] <RAOF> Good morning all!
[22:04] <mlankhorst> Hello, world!\n
[22:06] <bryceh> I've some updates on gaming stuff
[22:06] <RAOF> Oooh
[22:06] <bryceh> the nvidia beta driver 310.14 was just released yesterday, is packaged and ready for sru review.  Hoping to get that out today so we can demonstrate a swift packaging turnaround.
[22:07] <bryceh> we're in process of establishing an fglrx-experimental-9 package.  This is on Alberto's todo list and he has everything he needs.
[22:08] <bryceh> I'm going to merge mesa9 into x-updates today, along with -ati and -nouveau (and maybe weston), once I've completed an input device script update for another project
[22:09] <bryceh> apart from drivers, one of the other issues folks are worried about with gaming is performance with unity while full screen
[22:09] <bryceh> Neil indicated there's several driver bugs which inhibit them from rolling out unity fixes, so I think those bugs are priorities for us
[22:09] <bryceh> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu?field.tag=unredirect
[22:10] <bryceh> mlankhorst, I assigned the nouveau bug on that list to you - hope you don't mind, and please let me know your thoughts once you've had a chance to look
[22:11] <bryceh> the intel bug on that list I'll work on; sounds like it needs some git bisection to locate the patch(es), but I might ask Intel for help
[22:11] <mlankhorst> really hard to get a hold of upstream though
[22:11] <mlankhorst> I'm tempted to do some commit myself because maintainer doesn't respond :/
[22:11] <bryceh> mlankhorst, yes if you know how to fix it, please do
[22:12] <mlankhorst> i mean on a patch that's not mine
[22:12] <RAOF> You're welcome to fix in Ubuntu :)
[22:12] <bryceh> there's an fglrx bug on that list which I guess we should reproduce and send to AMD.  Not sure who to own that, but I may try reproducing it first
[22:13] <bryceh> mlankhorst, right yeah, fixing in ubuntu for now and just notifying upstream of the issue and/or patch is definitely a-okay
[22:13] <bryceh> the other bugs on that list appear to be compiz issues, so haven't looked at them.
[22:15] <mlankhorst> well i have nouveau commit access
[22:16] <mlankhorst> ill take a look tomorrow
[22:17] <bryceh> ok thanks :-)
[22:17] <cyphermox> RAOF: is it your turn for reviewing SRUs? I need precise SRUs reviewed for NM
[22:17] <RAOF> cyphermox: Indeed it is!
[22:18] <cyphermox> oh yay
[22:18] <cyphermox> RAOF: also, good morning/evening :)
[22:18] <RAOF> What's cookin'?
[22:18] <RAOF> (Or failing to cook, pending SRU acceptance ☺)
[22:18] <cyphermox> some less likely to be rejected fixes
[22:18] <cyphermox> ;)
[22:18] <RAOF> Just network-manager 0.9.4.0-0ubuntu4.2?
[22:18] <cyphermox> yep
[22:19] <cyphermox> stuff to avoid unnecessary error messages, fixes for IPv6, etc.
[22:35] <RAOF> cyphermox: Those SRU bugs are marvellously clear, thank you.
[22:35] <cyphermox> sweet, thanks for pointing it out
[22:35] <cyphermox> I have a hard time explaining things outside the problem domain sometimes :)