[00:40] <hggdh> Daviey: is it already available?
[01:11] <hggdh> Daviey: MAAS works :-)
[01:20] <^robertj> i've got mail that I want to deliver through our external email host and it wants me to authenticate before I relay, is ssmtp the best way to do this?
[02:59] <decbot> good evening. Would anybody here know the primary differences or  a resource describing the differences between ubuntu & ubuntu server?
[03:00] <decbot> besides the obvious gnome/kde/xfce not installed by default.
[03:32] <qman__> decbot, that's pretty much it
[03:32] <qman__> no GUI, couple of differences in the kernel, default package set
[03:33] <patdk-lap> qman, no differences in the kernel anymore
[03:34] <patdk-lap> atleast I don't believe there are in quantal
[03:34] <patdk-lap> it was almost gone in precise
[03:35] <qman__> I thought it used a different scheduler, and had a couple other tweaks
[03:35] <qman__> not much difference at all though
[03:35] <patdk-lap> well, in precise, 64bit both use the same
[03:35] <patdk-lap> but 32bit was pae difference only I think
[03:35] <patdk-lap> ya, used to be that way
[03:36] <patdk-lap> defenetly was that way back in lucid :)
[03:38] <patdk-lap> ya, in precise we have, generic, generic-pae, and virtual
[03:38] <patdk-lap> quantal, I believe only generic
[03:38] <decbot> good to know. I'm running a lamp/dovecot/postfix/samba box at home on a low-power Via chip (yeah, not intel nor amd)
[03:38] <patdk-lap> don't have access to my quantal test machiens at the moment to double check
[08:27] <Danawar> hey ubuntu server i have added screen -S plotcreative -p 0 -X stuff "pex reload"$'\n' to my root cron tab and it does not seem to be running it, when i run it in a terminal it works would there be any reason for this?
[08:32] <_ruben> Usually related to missing environment variables in cron's environment
[08:34] <Danawar> _ruben: could you expand what environment variables would i need to set up i have added the code to a .sh file and tryed to run that with cron and it still does not work would ther be an error with my crontab file
[08:37] <_ruben> Danawar: nope .. wouldn't know .. nor would i know the requirements for those commands to work properly
[08:43] <Danawar> * * * * * root mysql -u### -p### phpbb < /home/danawar/scripts/forumup$
[08:43] <Danawar> * * * * * root /home/danawar/scripts/pexupdate.sh
[08:44] <Danawar> this is what my crontab looks like
[08:44] <Danawar> would there be any issues there that would stop the second command from running?
[08:44] <Danawar> * * * * * root mysql -u## -p## phpbb < /home/danawar/scripts/forumupdater.sql
[08:44] <Danawar> Sorry for the cutoff on the first one
[09:45] <darthanubis> anyone using xencenter to manager there xcp install in ubuntu server?
[09:46] <darthanubis> wondering if therre are any issues with pulling up a console
[11:18] <acidflash> auto eth0
[11:18] <acidflash> iface eth0 inet static
[11:18] <acidflash> what are my other options, instead of auto ?
[11:25] <TJ-> see "man interfaces"
[11:27] <acidflash> yeah, thanks,
[11:27] <acidflash> i saw it
[13:15] <TheLordOfTime> if anyone sees SpamapS, let him know i'm pinging him.
[13:16] <feisar> Hi, I'm setting up a webserver (apache) and sql server (mariadb). I need to install the php5-mysql stuff on the webserver but it wants to bring in MySQL too which I don't want because that's going to run on the other server. How do I stop php5-mysl from pulling in mysql?
[13:17] <feisar> *php5-mysql sorry
[13:17] <TheLordOfTime> feisar, you can't install php5-mysql without installing MySQL dependencies
[13:18] <TheLordOfTime> since php5-mysql is built around mysql and has dependencies with mysql in order to run
[13:18] <feisar> ok so how is it recommended to have the database on another server - just let the dependencies be brought in and ignore them?
[13:19] <TheLordOfTime> feisar, php5-mysql will pull the information to interface with MySQL
[13:19] <TheLordOfTime> i'm not certain it pulls in mysql-server
[13:19] <TheLordOfTime> it shouldnt
[13:19] <TheLordOfTime> *dissects php5*
[13:19] <feisar> oh right, maybe I miss-understood.... i think it pulls in mysql-common
[13:19] <xnox> feisar: php5-mysql depends on a client only.
[13:20] <xnox> feisar: and for faking packages you can use equivs but that's for stuff that would e.g. depend on mysql-server
[13:21] <TheLordOfTime> it pulls in the mysql client data feisar
[13:21] <TheLordOfTime> not mysql-server
[13:21] <TheLordOfTime> mysql-common is data shared with both last i checked
[13:22] <feisar> ah i see, thanks a lot : )
[13:22] <feisar> (and thanks xnox)
[13:23]  * TheLordOfTime returns to stabbing nginx's source code
[14:27] <zastern> When  I login to my ubuntu servers I see something like "21 packages can be updated." Is there a way to actually list these packages, besides using apt-get upgrade and being prompted to actually udpate them
[14:27] <zastern> i Just want a non-interactive list
[14:29] <zastern> ah, apt-show-versions -u
[14:32] <hallyn> ahs3: hey, what do you think, my tickler file says it's time to promote netcf to unstable? :)
[14:46] <ahs3> hallyn: heh.  i haven't looked -- any bugs reported?  if not, then it prolly is time
[14:47] <cornfeed> hello hello. I am having an issue that I would consider deserving of "triage" I am running an ubuntu 12.04 server amd64 on a Lenovo tower server (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16859106114) between 24hrs and 96hrs, it will hard freeze all that can be done is a hard reset... I have a catch all log going to /var/log/messages, but nothing useful in there and nothing useful in dmesg is there anyway I can get some kind of lo
[14:47] <cornfeed> g? I even left top open for days waiting for it to freeze but there was nothing useful on the screen
[14:47] <hallyn> ahs3: nope, don't see any new bugs
[14:48] <ahs3> hallyn: kewl.  it's on my todo list, then.  thx for reminding me :).
[14:51] <hallyn> ahs3: thanks!  ttyl
[15:21] <cr3> hi folks, when I run something like "stop network-manager" as a normal user, I get: stop: Rejected send message, 1 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.69" (uid=1000 pid=5818 comm="stop network-manager ") interface="com.ubuntu.Upstart0_6.Job" member="Stop" error name="(unset)" requested_reply="0" destination="com.ubuntu.Upstart" (uid=0 pid=1 comm="/sbin/init")
[15:21] <cr3> what the heck does that mean? I've rarely seen such an opaque error message :(
[15:25] <cr3> brendand: http://toroid.org/ams/etc/upstart-error-message
[15:26] <brendand> :)
[15:27] <cr3> brendand: I would still like to know what part of that error message is intended to mean the command should've been run as root and what part might be intended for something else
[15:28] <brendand> cr3 - me too
[15:31] <cr3> brendand: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#strange-error-when-running-start-stop-restart-or-initctl-emit
[15:32] <cr3> brendand: "The reason for the very cryptic error is that the job control commands (start, stop and restart) and initctl communicate with Upstart over D-Bus."
[15:32] <brendand> cr3 - oh, of course
[15:35] <balboah> how do I do this without the user interface thing? e.g. from a script: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata. Or where is that configuration file?
[15:35] <cr3> brendand: so, how about we special case upstart errors: when the output string contains "Rejected send message", then change the error to something appropriate about invalid permission, otherwise use the original error which is sometimes valuable
[15:35] <cr3> brendand: for example, if I run "stop network-managerr", notice the extra "r", I get: stop: Unknown job: network-managerr
[15:35] <balboah> found it
[15:39] <brendand> cr3 - ok
[15:59] <jcastro_> arosales: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/cloudserver-r-framework-charms and https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-r-juju-appserver-support
[15:59] <jcastro_> seem to be about the same thing
[15:59] <jcastro_> should I just nack mine?
[15:59]  * arosales looks
[16:01] <arosales> jcastro_: ya looks similar. Since Bruno has some info already in it, lets just add to his.
[16:01] <jcastro_> okey
[16:01] <arosales> good catch
[16:01] <jcastro_> mhall found it
[16:02] <jcastro_> nice, superciding in lp oopes it
[16:03] <arosales> fyi: OpenStack keynote starting shortly at http://www.openstack.org/home/Video/
[16:08] <amenthes1> is there anyone in here who might give me a hand with tw_cli (3ware Raid management utility)?
[16:08] <amenthes1> i'd like to remove a drive from a unit. I wish to use that drive for a new, different unit.
[16:29] <genii-around> amenthes1: I'm not familiar with that software but there seems to be a fairly comprehensive manual for it here: http://www.cyberciti.biz/files/tw_cli.8.html
[16:41] <amenthes1> genii-around: thx!
[16:42] <amenthes1> i found my problem: the hard drives were grabbed into degraded arrays by the "autorebuild" flag
[16:42] <amenthes1> i disabled it
[16:42] <amenthes1> now i can do tw_cli /c0/pXX remove
[16:42] <amenthes1> and a rescan
[17:34] <ninjix> anyone have a moment to help with a NFS problem that "should" be easy?
[17:35] <patdk-wk> !ask
[17:35] <ninjix> I'm trying to get my www-data user to access a "git" group on an NFS share
[17:37] <ninjix> can't understand why the www-data gets an access denied on the NFS mount but not on local directories with that are chmod 750 with group = git
[17:37] <patdk-wk> nfs2/3 or nfs4?
[17:37] <ninjix> 12.04 defaults to nfs4?
[17:37] <ninjix> but I don't have security turned on
[17:37] <patdk-wk> depends on how you setup the server
[17:37] <patdk-wk> the client does
[17:38] <ninjix> with client I'm doing mount nfs-server:/exported-share /mnt/foo
[17:38] <ninjix> the idmapd looks good
[17:39] <ninjix> I've even made sure that the "git" group gid is the same on the server and client
[17:39] <ninjix> did simple usermod -a -G git www-data
[17:40] <ninjix> made a test dir in /tmp and set its group to git and chmod 750
[17:41] <ninjix> and that works when I sudo su - www-data
[17:42] <ninjix> I'm running glusterfs client on the same client machine and not encountering this strange permission problem
[18:05] <ninjix> so, it gets stranger
[18:05] <ninjix> I can access the mode 750 directories with the owning user account from the client
[18:06] <ninjix> but not members of the group
[18:10] <sarnold> ninjix: does the 'id' program show that those _processes_ are members of the group? Keep in mind, _processes_ have a user, a group, and supplemental groups.
[18:11] <ninjix> sam_one: yes, id show the same
[18:12] <harovali> hi, I'm managing a Lucid Ubuntu Server, and I needed the newer kernels because of the bug that made sync() stall everything. I did apt-cache search -n linux image backport  , and the newest kernel available seems to be 3.0.0 (linux-image-server-lts-backport-oneiric). I installed it, but problems persist, and I'd like to install a 3.2.x kernel. Is there a backported kernel 3.2.x to Lucid?
[18:13] <ninjix> sam_one:  uid=33(www-data) gid=33(www-data) groups=33(www-data),121(git)
[18:13] <ninjix> I get that on both client and server
[18:14] <sam_one> ninjix, I think you mean sarnold :)
[18:14] <sarnold> ninjix: btw, rn != m :)
[18:14] <ninjix> sorry
[18:14] <sam_one> np
[18:15] <sarnold> ninjix: so, you say, "client and server" -- which server? nfs will do group membership tests, http will not..
[18:17] <ninjix> sarnold: understood, the goal here is to provide a read-only NFS export from our git repository server to a web app running on a different machine
[18:17] <ninjix> the web application is running under the www-data account
[18:18] <sarnold> ninjix: okay, cool; so you've got same group (and group numbers!) on both machines, and the web app is part of the git group, and the data is group-owned by the git group?
[18:19] <ninjix> sarnold: correct
[18:19] <sylwedydd> I just installed -server 12LTS on an Atom525-based box.  When logged in @ console, every 10-15 seconds, I get 40-50 of these: " [drm:atom_get_src_int] *ERROR* ATOM: fb read beyond scratch ...".  Digging around (e.g. https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-server-73/memory-leaks-in-centos-6-2-a-947037-print/) suggest this is a 'harmless' video/frame-buffer error.  I'd like to make it stop/go away -- console is basically unusable in this
[18:19] <sylwedydd> state :-/  Not sure why fb is involved -- as my graphics card is an onboard radeon.
[18:19] <sylwedydd> Any suggestions how to go about curing this?
[18:19] <sarnold> sylwedydd: dmesg -n 1 may paper over the problem well enough for you to ignore
[18:20] <ninjix> sarnold: here's a look at the permissions drwxr-x---  2 git  git  4096 Oct  4 14:23 team-project/
[18:20] <sylwedydd> sarnold: hi.  how's that?  these messages spew to the screen no matter what I'm doing
[18:21] <sarnold> sylwedydd: dmesg -n changes the "log level" of the console. dmesg -n1 asks for only emergency messages to be sent...
[18:21] <sylwedydd> sarnold: But I'm not using dmesg ...
[18:21] <sarnold> ninjix: and those permissions are consistent through the entire tree?
[18:21] <ninjix> as a supplementary "git" group member I expect the www-data account to be able to access the directory
[18:21] <sarnold> sylwedydd: perhaps you should take fifteen seconds to read the dmesg manpage. :)
[18:22] <ninjix> sarnold: tree on which end? the sharing NFS server or the app server?
[18:22] <sarnold> ninjix: you've confirmed that the web application actually _runs_ with that group? that's not just a testing shell?
[18:22] <sarnold> ninjix: either end
[18:23] <ninjix> we'll I've been testing with a sudo su - www-data
[18:23] <genii-around> sarnold: It may be something in their glusterfs setup which is interfering with access
[18:23] <sylwedydd> sarnold: smiley face doesn't make a smartass smaller
[18:23] <sarnold> ninjix: yeah, the web server may not actually _start_ with that group...
[18:24] <ninjix> sarnold: fair, but shouldn't a shell spawned with 'sudo su - www-data' get that group?
[18:24] <ninjix> even using newgrp to spawn another shell doesn't work
[18:25] <ninjix> what's more I tried creating a directory in the /tmp with the same user:group and permissions
[18:25] <ninjix> the www-data account can access those
[18:25] <ninjix> using the same test
[18:26] <ninjix> genii-around: you suspect glusterfs is interfering?
[18:26] <sarnold> ninjix: well, the group ownership will be set via the upstart script, which will probably use start-stop-daemon, which may or may not bother with supplementary groups. (It's been a while since I looked.)
[18:26] <sarnold> ninjix: hrm, so, even your testing shells fail? :/
[18:27] <ninjix> sarnold: yes, haven't even tried tweaking the Apache init yet
[18:27] <sarnold> ninjix: makes sense. :)
[18:28] <sarnold> ninjix: I know nothing of glusterfs; even my nfs experience is a bit weak, but I very much recall being bitten by mis-matched gid numbers there, so that one sticks... :)
[18:29] <ninjix> sarnold: yeah, run into the uid/gid problem a number of times before but this one has me scratching my head
[18:29] <sarnold> ninjix: me too.
[18:29] <sarnold> ninjix: strace it? tcpdump?
[18:29] <sarnold> tools of last resort...
[18:29] <ninjix> :)
[18:30] <genii-around> ninjix: Have you tried mounting with async ?
[18:30] <ninjix> yeah... or just go sticky bit on the git repo.... :(
[18:30] <ninjix> genii-around: yes, I've tried async and sync
[18:31] <ninjix> mount -o nfsvers=3 has the same problem
[18:31] <genii-around> Hm
[18:40] <ninjix> [solved] it was the RPCMOUNTDOPTS=--manage-gids property in the /etc/default/nfs-kernel-server
[18:40] <sarnold> ninjix: woot!
[18:40] <ninjix> if that is enabled you loose supplementary groups but get to exceed the 16 group limit
[18:41] <sarnold> o_O
[18:41] <sarnold> why would you ... 16 ... but no supplemental.. ?
[18:41]  * sarnold brain hurt
[18:42] <ninjix> don't know... and definitely do not feel like looking into the NFS src for that answer :)
[18:42] <sarnold> ninjix: thanks for reporting back. :)
[18:43] <ninjix> sarnold: thanks for helping me. I wasn't using the term "supplementary" in my Google searches until you brought it up
[18:44] <sarnold> ninjix: I'm glad you got there, because I was definitely out of ideas.
[19:11] <tobin> I'm trying to craft a new precise ami (ebs backed) from: http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/query/precise/server/released.current.txt. I'm using the amd64 EBS ami/ami listed in current, however i continually hit grubdom. Any ideas?
[19:12] <tobin> I've also tried amazon pv-grub aki listed on their site but still no love. Same thing, stopped at the grub prompt
[19:26] <jabba_> hello, I am trying to configure a ipsec-l2tpd (openswan-xl2tpd) service on my home-server, to connect a smartphone for example. the vpn-server is 192.168.0.5 on the lan, the ppp0 device gets 192.168.0.240 and the connecting device gets 192.168.0.241. the problem is, that the connecting device only reaches 192.168.0.5 once connected to the server.  any suggestions what _could_ be the failure?
[19:28] <jabba_> do i possible miss some routes? (though all nodes are on the same network...)
[19:29] <jabba_> during login of a client (iphone or android phone) i get an entry like this in my auth.log: "init: Failed to spawn network-interface (ppp0) pre-start process..."  - is this critical?
[23:01] <firc> hi people
[23:02] <firc> need some help. Trying to install ubuntu with megaraid. The install cd/usb is unable to detect my hard disks
[23:02] <firc> How do I proceed? I tried with the 11.10 alternate cd as well. It gets to the screen with partitioning info ( with an empty list )
[23:03] <firc> I tried the desktop version also, it did not detect my hard disks. I did a fdisk -l and it did not show up.
[23:03] <genii-around> firc: Have you tried: sudo modprobe megaraid
[23:03] <firc> for the desktop cd?
[23:04] <genii-around> firc: For any of them. You can get to a busybox in server install too in tty2 and tty3
[23:05] <firc> Ah I see
[23:05] <firc> I'll try that
[23:05] <firc> The problem with server install is, when I select install ubuntu, my screen blanks out and it seems stuck ( the same with 12.04 alternate cd ).
[23:06] <firc> the desktop cds boot up fine, but don't detect my hdd. I'll try modprobing
[23:06] <genii-around> firc: If it installs that way, you will also want to put megaraid in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules  and rebuild it
[23:07] <firc> It should detect the drives
[23:07] <firc> currently, even fdisk can't list the drives
[23:08] <genii-around> Yeah, so I'd do the modprobe then check dmesg output
[23:17] <firc> genii-around: i tried that. Still doesn't work. Dmesg does mention about LSI SAS megaraid drivers
[23:18] <firc> But when I start the install step, it cannot detect the drives ( less that 4.4 gigs available )
[23:18] <genii-around> firc: There are more than a few megaraid drivers. You may need the SAS one
[23:18] <firc> Although, fdisk -l shows up sda1 as fat32
[23:18] <firc> I see, how do I get that?
[23:19] <genii-around> Just use megaraid_sas in the modprobe command instead . May want to do first though: sudo modprobe -r megaraid
[23:19] <genii-around> ( to unload the previous one )
[23:22] <firc> How do I know if it worked? The disks should show up with fdisk ?
[23:22] <firc> I do not think it worked though, since I don't see my disks.
[23:23] <genii-around> firc: Yes, ideally fdisk would see your array now at this point
[23:24] <firc> hmm. Is it because of the missing drivers?
[23:24] <genii-around> firc: Can you pastebin: lspci -nn
[23:28] <firc> genii-around: http://pastebin.com/uFVJW2A8
[23:31] <genii-around> firc: megaraid_sas  seems to be the correct driver for device:vendor of 04:00.0 RAID bus controller [0104]: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic MegaRAID SAS 2108 [Liberator] [1000:0079] (rev 05)
[23:32] <firc> hmm. So modprove megaraid_sas should work?
[23:32] <firc> modprobe*
[23:32] <patdk-lap> hmm, modprove checks it's right? :)
[23:32] <sarnold> hehe
[23:32] <firc> can I see why it failed? The logs?
[23:32] <sarnold> I'd like that... :)
[23:39] <genii-around> firc: Is your system on this page? http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/catalog/component/pci:1000:0079-RAID/
[23:49] <firc> genii-around: http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/hardware/201205-10989/
[23:50] <firc> So it should be supported?
[23:50] <genii-around> Yup
[23:51] <genii-around> firc: The main issue seems to be then the video problem.
[23:52] <firc> Oh you mean to say, that in the server version it must be detecting the disks fine?
[23:52] <genii-around> firc: eg: If you are somehow able to get past that with the server install, then the raid controller should work out-of-the-box
[23:52] <firc> Hmmm
[23:53] <genii-around> firc: Have you tried manually appending for instance the kernel option of vga
[23:54] <firc> yeah I tried that. I also removed the quiet option
[23:57] <genii-around> Seems to have some oddball video card, "ASPEED Technology Inc"
[23:59] <firc> yeah