[06:33] <jibel> good morning
[06:53] <dholbach> good morning
[08:20] <Noskcaj> where do you download the netboot ppc daily from?
[08:23] <jibel> Noskcaj, http://ports.ubuntu.com/dists/quantal/main/installer-powerpc/current/images/powerpc/netboot/
[08:23] <jibel> or http://ports.ubuntu.com/dists/quantal/main/installer-powerpc/current/images/powerpc64/netboot/
[08:24] <Noskcaj> jibel: thanks, the mini iso?
[08:24] <jibel> Noskcaj, yes
[08:24] <Noskcaj> any idea why its not linked in the testcase?
[08:25] <jibel> Noskcaj, it is http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/240/builds/25941/downloads
[08:25] <Noskcaj> jibel: i meant in the written bit, it links you to the arm builds
[08:25] <jibel> well, there is only 64
[08:26] <Noskcaj> and how do i get into the ubuntu-ppc channel?
[08:26] <jibel> Noskcaj, ah, this is a bug, balloons fixed it for intel but probably not for ppc.
[08:27] <Noskcaj> ok... can i get an invite then?
[08:27] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, try #ubuntu-powerpc
[08:28] <Noskcaj> smartboyhw: thanks
[08:53] <Noskcaj> how do you use the netboot image?
[08:53] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, er.....
[09:02] <Noskcaj> i need to know
[09:06] <Noskcaj> the testcases isnt very helpfull
[09:07] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, I think it is good to search the wiki:D
[09:07] <Noskcaj> ok
[09:09] <Noskcaj> found it! https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[09:09] <smartboyhw> Yeah
[09:16] <Noskcaj> should i make a better version of the netboot ppc testcase?
[09:18] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, if you have time please do :D
[09:18] <Noskcaj> i will try after the release
[13:00] <balloons> jibel, I was holding off on updating the testcases in the middle of the milestone as it will reset the result count when I do so for anything that uses it
[13:03] <jibel> balloons, netboot ppc is untested and not many people tested netboot on intel. So resetting the results of these tests will not hurt
[13:04] <balloons> jibel, fair enough.. I'll go see what I can do ;-)
[13:09] <jibel> balloons, desktop also needs a test case to cover the option 'reinstall ubuntu'
[13:10] <balloons> jibel, everything to do with testcases I've been recording here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/QuantalTestcaseUpdates
[13:11] <jibel> balloons, nice, I didn't know this page
[13:11] <balloons> :-) I keep finding stuff and filling it back up after it gets fixed
[13:12] <balloons> it was intended to help us collectively do the migration.
[13:12] <balloons> which worked well :-)
[14:26] <balloons> hello smartboyhw
[15:08] <mvo> jibel: do you mind if I commit some changes to auto-upgrader-testing or would you like a proper MP ? mostly about removing duplication and importing releavant bits from python3-distupgrade
[15:09] <jibel> mvo, I don't mind, go ahead.
[15:10] <jibel> balloons, can you remove 'ubuntu-cdimage' from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseNotes/Credits/Testers, it's a bot
[15:11] <balloons> jibel, lol -- whoops ;-) Thought I caught all those
[15:42] <jamespage> hggdh: around? iscsi testing?
[16:01] <mvo> jibel: while at it I will add dpkg force-unsafe-io to the upgrade tester if you don't mind
[16:02] <jibel> mvo, oh right, please do.
[16:15] <mvo> jibel: hm, I added it now (via /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/99auto-upgrader-tester force-unsafe-io there but hardly any difference :/
[16:20] <jibel> mvo, I spent some time during Precise to try this option and eatmydata too and didn't see any noticeable difference. It was something like 1 or 2 min difference over a 25 minutes upgrade.
[16:20] <patdk-wk> hmm, jamespage scared weechat right out of the channel
[16:20] <jibel> but I thought I did it wrong, so I'm happy you get the same results :)
[16:21] <mvo> jibel: yeah, that matches my finding
[16:22] <mvo> jibel: diff was small so it won't hurt, I will ask cjwatson later if there is more I need to do
[16:42] <jamespage> patdk-wk, hey - the iscsi testing you are doing - is that virtual or on hardware?
[16:43] <patdk-wk> it's in the tracker :) vmware
[16:43] <patdk-wk> I can do physical though, have many of them too
[16:43] <patdk-wk> but I do use iscsi in production on virtual
[16:44] <patdk-wk> so both cases are personally important to me :)
[16:44] <patdk-wk>  Ihave also tried with all the vmware nic's, they all do it for me
[16:44] <patdk-wk> give me 5min, and I'll have physical machine tested
[16:45] <jamespage> patdk-wk, great - thanks
[16:52] <pablo_> someone from the mago (http://mago.ubuntu.com/) project here?
[16:52] <pablo_> why should I use mago instead of ldtp?
[16:56] <patdk-wk> what does that have to do with iso testing?
[16:58] <pablo_> patdk-wk, are you talking to me? if so, I don't know. The mago project page said that this is the place to ask questions about the project
[16:59] <pablo_> nagappan, jcollado, are you guys there?
[16:59] <pablo_> nagappan, jcollado, you're on the mago's project page, so I wonder if I could bother you with some questions
[17:00] <patdk-wk> jamespage, same thing on real hardware
[17:00] <patdk-wk> dell optiplex 755 tested with intel e1000 nic
[17:00] <patdk-wk> e1000e actually
[17:00] <jamespage> patdk-wk, hmm - same behaviour as e1000 in kvm
[17:04] <balloons> pablo_, afaik mago has been deprecated by it's developers
[17:04] <balloons> what are you hoping to do with it?
[17:06] <pablo_> balloons, I'm analyzing different options for testing a pyGTK tool
[17:06] <pablo_> balloons, and found mago after some google searches
[17:06] <pablo_> balloons, want to automate functional testing of the application, already have unittests but want to test the GUI
[17:08] <nagappan> pablo_, jibel and ara are the owners of Mago
[17:08] <balloons> pablo_, I understand. Well, you could use sikuli or xpresser, though they can be argued less maintainable than something that hooks into the accessibility layer
[17:08] <nagappan> pablo_, I just concentrate on LDTP
[17:09] <nagappan> pablo_, and make sure it works fine in Ubuntu / Windows / Mac environment
[17:09] <nagappan> pablo_, mago internally uses LDTP
[17:09] <pablo_> balloons, yes, took a look at xpresser (will read on sikuli) and I don't like the screenshot thing too much
[17:09] <nagappan> pablo_, lately I haven't heard from ara / jibel
[17:09] <pablo_> nagappan, the latest mago release is from 2010, is that correct?
[17:12] <pablo_> balloons, any other tool you can recommend?
[17:12] <balloons> pablo_, https://launchpad.net/autopilot
[17:12] <balloons> however, I am unsure it is supporting gtk yet
[17:13] <balloons> it's certainly not the focus of the tool
[17:15] <pablo_> balloons, thanks!
[17:16] <pablo_> nagappan, do you know why mago died?
[17:23] <jamespage> balloons, your earlier comment about that iscsi boot issue being important might be correct
[17:23] <jamespage> it happens on hardware using e1000 nics as well as in KVM
[17:23] <balloons> jamespage, ohh -- what are you finding out now?
[17:23] <jamespage> see comment from patdk-wk abvove
[17:24] <jamespage> balloons, ^^
[17:24] <balloons> ahh, I see. So what's the thought to proceed?
[17:24] <jamespage> balloons, well its reproducable in KVM/virt-manager
[17:24] <jamespage> balloons, really need someone who understands the early boot process with regards to networking to take a look
[17:25] <balloons> yes, so getting a fix is much easier.. as well as testing it.
[17:25] <balloons> tho we'll verify both real and virtual
[17:25] <patdk-wk> I feel it's more a udev thing, but not sure how the earily boot works exactly :)
[17:25] <jamespage> stgraber, around? - ^^
[17:26] <jcollado> pablo_: Yes, the reason no more effort has been put into it is that the a11y layer isn't that stable as we though, meaning that it's difficult to write tests that are reproducible
[17:27] <jcollado> pablo_: I've been looking forward to seeing a more stable a11y layer, but that hasn't happened yet as far as I know.
[17:27] <nagappan> pablo_, I'm not sure, jibel will be the person to answer "why mago died ?"
[17:28] <jcollado> pablo_: Otherwise, being able to query the application for available widgets and perform actions on them is a good idea.
[17:28]  * jamespage steps away for a bit
[17:29] <nagappan> pablo_, there is an effort from VMware (one of my team member) is working on integrating Sikuli with LDTP, which is yet to be released to public, waiting for legal team to approve our work
[17:50] <pablo_> nagappan, that sounds interesting!
[17:50] <pablo_> jcollado, too bad I missed you :(
[19:31] <njin> bug 1067488
[19:31] <njin> actually only in Vbox
[20:19] <letozaf___> Hello, can someone help me with Gwibber and Flickr integration on Online Accounts ?
[20:23] <phillw> letozaf___: this is not a support channel, if you want a quiet support channel, please try #ubuntu-beginners - It's less hectic than #ubuntu :)
[20:24] <letozaf___> ok thanks it was for testing, but I will ask them all the same :)
[20:28] <njin> bug 1067507 in real hardware
[20:36] <balloons> njin, ohh
[20:36] <balloons> which installation njin ?
[20:36] <balloons> amd64 desktop?
[20:36] <njin> balloons, yes
[20:37] <njin> balloons, the first test run ok, the second crash
[20:38] <stgraber> segfault in apt, could be related to a similar segfault that was fixed this morning
[20:38] <stgraber> if you can reproduce it, try to update the image first to pick up the new apt and see if that fixes it
[20:38] <balloons> did that respin go out?
[20:39] <stgraber> it'll be in the next respin
[20:39] <stgraber> which was just started now
[20:39] <balloons> k -- otherwise etheir me or my zsync was going crazy
[20:39] <balloons> haha
[20:39] <stgraber> I don't remember seeing report of that issue during the install though but we had reports of apt-get install/apt-get update segfaulting for people and that was tracked down to a bad upstream commit
[20:40] <phillw> balloons: do try and pay attention :P
[20:41] <njin> lol, too late for me, goodnight guys.
[20:42] <phillw> njin: it'll be there to check tomorrow, have a good sleep. thanks for testing stuff.
[20:42] <balloons> good night njin
[21:48] <silverarrow> hi
[21:48] <silverarrow> where is the link to the final respin of lubuntu?
[21:50] <silverarrow> is it listed under beta 2 or benchmark
[21:51] <phillw> silverarrow: the respins are just starting, they take several hours.
[21:53] <silverarrow> I see
[21:53] <silverarrow> thanks
[21:53] <phillw> silverarrow: if you go to http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/240/builds you will see all that are being re-spun with a line thorugh
[21:53] <silverarrow> yes, thats the link
[21:53] <silverarrow> thanks again
[21:53] <phillw> when the line goes, they have arrived. they also get announced on here as they get built.
[21:53] <silverarrow> I have it bookmarked on a different computer
[21:54] <phillw> yeah, computer dying with all your links / passwords on is NOT fun :/
[21:54] <silverarrow> horrid lol
[21:55] <silverarrow> I think I will get it  back any day now
[21:55] <silverarrow> maybe tomorrow
[21:56] <silverarrow> there is quite a good group of people on the ppc build, it should go towards a good release
[21:56] <silverarrow> ppc is something you just have to  be stubborn with
[21:57] <phillw> silverarrow: hence the email :)
[21:57] <silverarrow> exactly
[21:58] <phillw> silverarrow: lubuntu & xubuntu are going to be last built as lubuntu asked for the latest chromium update to be included.
[21:58] <silverarrow> I see
[21:58] <silverarrow> latest chromium is worth testing
[21:59] <phillw> with so many chromium bugs flying about, it makes sense that we ship with the latest one.. even though it is only security fixes.
[22:01] <silverarrow> I am looking into how to get b43 cutter and drivers on a usb
[22:01] <silverarrow> there was a guy here the other night who had made it work, called it "persistent install"
[22:02] <silverarrow> I`m not sure how that differs from simply having the packages on a usb flash
[22:03] <phillw> there are some cantacerous people about who will not take "That cannot be done" as an answer, that is what the linux community is all about :)
[22:04] <silverarrow> I like that
[22:04] <silverarrow> when I bought the new battery for my old G4 iBook, there were a guy on youtube who somehow linked to his page in an email
[22:05] <silverarrow> apparently he deals with refurbished powerpc
[22:06] <silverarrow> he installed ubuntu ppc on the exact model I have, made a video about it, and said he could not get wireless and a few other things to work
[22:06] <phillw> (22:58:15) -release team: Copying chromium-browser to release.
[22:06] <phillw> (23:04:00) ***phillw sends said person cookies & beer :)
[22:06] <silverarrow> he didn`t even  make an attempt
[22:06] <silverarrow> cookies and beer, interesting combination
[22:06] <silverarrow> ;- )
[22:07] <phillw> the release team have unusual eating habits ;)
[22:08] <silverarrow> cookie and beer vitamins are important
[22:09] <phillw> we also have to occaisionally slaughter a n00b and let them drink their blood, but who misses the odd n00b? :D
[22:10] <silverarrow> eeww
[22:10] <silverarrow> a blood sacrifice
[22:10] <silverarrow> ¨a long time since that was in use
[22:11] <silverarrow> at least around here
[22:13] <phillw> silverarrow: QA team do not need blood sacrifices, we use sleep deprivation as our punishment :D
[22:14] <silverarrow> very effective
[22:15] <phillw> hmm, I've lost both unit193 and kanliot this evening.... I have a feeling they know that I have a "cunning plan"
[22:16] <phillw> brb, forgot to update the classroom session!
[23:03] <wxl> phillw: are we waiting on 20121016?
[23:03] <wxl> (lubuntu alternate ppc)
[23:04] <phillw> wxl: lubuntu was requested to be put at the bottom of the queue to allow the chromium-browser to build.
[23:07] <wxl> phillw: where was the schedule again? (tracker seems to suggest at least that one is done)
[23:07] <phillw> wxl: the chromium was added a little while ago, across all our archs, as ppc is get it install & run issue I think which version of Chromium we have is some what secondary :P
[23:08] <phillw> wxl: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/240/builds alternates are 'good to go'.
[23:09] <phillw> desktop will possibly be .17 at the end