[00:00] left the radio on for 2 hours while i feel aslep ::: Boy was that a mistake ! [00:02] Azelphur: reboot time [00:02] dub_: good luck :D === ubuntu is now known as Guest47405 [00:10] Azelphur: no... [00:10] not working [00:11] Guest47405: why not? [00:11] i have tried to reboot, it now shows the grub rescue screen [00:13] hd0 hd0,msdos6 hd0,msdos5 hd0msdos3 hd0msdos2 hd1 [00:13] hmm [00:13] Guest47405: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair do this on a livecd [00:14] grub rescue> blinking curser [00:14] :P [00:14] i cant load pages [00:14] Guest47405: you can use a livecd to follow those instructions though ^ [00:14] i am on a text console irssi [00:14] you have a livecd, right? [00:14] hm guess so [00:14] no [00:15] how was you on live before then? [00:15] when I vnc'd you [00:15] well live usb but the graphics wont work so i switched to text [00:15] ah [00:15] your liveusb graphics just randomly stopped working? [00:15] different machine [00:16] I'm confused [00:16] the machine that won't boot, boot it from your liveUSB [00:16] i have two machines [00:17] both wont work i booted to the old netbook to talk to you after the one we partitioned wont boot so i could see abot what to do [00:17] i will boot it from a live cd now [00:18] ok [00:20] the good thing is if i lost all my data it's recoverable [00:21] you didn't loose all your data, I figured grub would probably go wonky [00:21] just boot from live, get boot-repair going like those instructions say [00:21] and you should be good to go [00:27] paste.ubuntu.com/1282242 [00:30] grub seems ok [00:34] ubuntu loaded ok [00:34] Azelphur: [00:34] Guest47405: cool, all working? :D [00:35] booting windows now [00:35] just to see [00:36] nope [00:36] windows wont boot [00:36] stupid windows [00:36] 0xc0000225 [00:36] lol BSoD [00:36] all you can do is follow the instructions on the BSoD and run chkdisk I guess [00:36] it's throwing up for no real reason [00:38] windows boot manager windows failed to start a recent hardware of software change may be the cause to fix the problem 1 insert..... [00:38] you get the picture [00:39] i just have the loader [00:39] nothing else for windows is showing [00:39] Azelphur: [00:40] Guest47405: not sure, you'd need to ask windows folks for that one unfortunately [00:40] I don't know why simply resizing a partition would break it [00:40] ok [00:40] i am greatful for the help [00:41] yw, good luck [00:41] nn [00:43] nn [01:14] you have to be careful of new windows machines [01:14] if they have ssd accelerators [01:15] * soreau is careful to avoid microsoft products altogether [01:15] modifying the hard drive in any way from linux will corrupt the entire filesystem as linux doesn't understand the ssd cache and windows doesn't flush it on rebooting [01:15] also, reading it from linux will just give you corrupt files [01:15] for the same reason [01:18] ali1234: if your looking to sell bitcoins since intersango is down, I'm your guy btw :) [01:18] intersango is down? lolllll [01:18] ali1234: yep, and mtgox [01:18] uk banks are stonewalling [01:19] intersango isn't down, they just aren't doing gbp withdrawl [01:19] ali1234: or deposits. [01:19] and neither is mtgox [01:20] which means down to us brits for all intense and purposes :) [06:33] mooornin sleepy heads === TheOpenSourcerer is now known as theopensourcerer [07:02] mornin theopensourcerer [07:02] * Knightwise fires up the coffeemaker and plays Barista [07:02] morning :) [07:03] hey christel :) .. coffee ? [07:03] i'd love some! [07:04] i am completely shattered, the toddler appears to have suddenly developed croup and has kept me up ALL night [07:05] poor thing. I know how those lacking ZZZZ's can wear down on you [07:05] * Knightwise makes christel a Quinty venty espresso with a red bull topping. [07:06] i think i love you! [07:06] Shows you have excellent taste in men ;) [07:07] haha [07:07] * Knightwise adds a nice piece of sugary pastry and a snickers for "on the road" [07:08] * Knightwise wonders if christel could use a chloroform airosol dispenser for the babies room .... [07:09] haha chloroform? :P [07:10] or valium [07:10] sounds like a plan!! [07:19] I am personally also wondering how to get through today without nodding of :) [07:24] christel: how old is the toddler ? [07:25] 2.5 :) [07:37] christel : 2.5 ... And is it a long term support release or just a point upgrade ? [07:43] helllo evry1 [07:44] i need ubuntu free cd's [07:56] Morning all [07:56] morning diplo :) [07:56] hey diplo [07:56] how are you today [07:56] not bad thanks Knightwise, you ? [07:57] mornign christel [07:57] morning* [07:57] Day off yesterday so long weekend \o/ [07:57] lucky you ! :) I'll probably take some days of the week after next [07:58] No babysitters yesterday, so had to :( [07:59] But tidied the garage so it was worthwhile, apart from the rain sucked :( === darren is now known as darren-afk [08:01] do they even do free CDs any more? [08:02] ah, they left the channel; I guess they googled what they were looking for ;) [08:04] dwatkins: i don't think so [08:04] Knightwise: indeed, first google hit for the question was to the page saying that ShipIt has run its course. [08:06] dwatkins Knightwise yes [08:06] Makes sense, USB sticks are cheap. [08:06] http://ubuntu-uk.org/free-cds/ [08:06] Also, I think the installer ISO is now larger than a CD. [08:06] we get an allocation of 250 or so that I have to give out [08:07] yes, they are DVDs [08:07] oh cool [08:07] AlanBell: what hoops do you have to jump through to get one ? $ [08:07] but your optical drive doesn't care [08:07] for special customers [08:07] Knightwise: you can jump through hoops if you like, or just send an SAE [08:08] you can pre-order 12.10 right now [08:08] SAE ? [08:08] kids today /o\ [08:08] bring back blue peter [08:08] AlanBell++ [08:08] self addressed envelope [08:08] * dwatkins hands AlanBell a Blue Peter badge [08:08] * Knightwise is not a UK resident [08:08] ah :) [08:09] I may have to get a t-shirt with one of those on it. [08:09] * Knightwise remembers blue peter from home built thunderbird tracey island [08:09] and dogs that pee in the studio [08:09] it used to be a well known thing to get freebies, send in an SAE for your free badge/sticker/whatever from cereal boxes or TV shows [08:10] Knightwise: and an elephant [08:10] ah yes ! [08:11] i do think i remember seeing that in a best off show [08:11] but when we got BBC on cable it was around the time of the saturday morning superstore [08:11] with scofield and gordon the gopher [08:11] so thats how far back my "actual" bbc history goes [08:14] oh dear, I'd forgotten about that gopher. [08:14] a friend of mine spent an entire summer following the radio 1 roadshow around the country as she fancied Phillip Schofield. [08:15] my sister bunked off school in 1979 to go to the R1 Roadshow because she fancied Peter Powell [08:15] Sorry Knightwise, morning to you too - I was in the middle of upgrading a customer's vtiger CRM [08:15] popey: how naughty of her [08:16] dwatkins: she must have been real disappointed when she found out the truth [08:16] theopensourcerer: : no worriez dude :) [08:16] * theopensourcerer fondly remembers Sally James from Tiswas [08:16] And Servilan from Blakes 7 [08:16] * Knightwise dreamt of Sarah Alexander from Coupling (and noels house party) [08:17] Ah yes. Indeed Knightwise [08:17] Knightwise: the truth? [08:17] I didn't know she was in Noel's houseparty. [08:18] * dwatkins grew up watching Sandy Togsvig talk very quickly on Number 73 [08:18] dwatkins: wasnt philip more interested in the same sex ? [08:18] http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_NQUu1-IqJZk/TEA0ue_1syI/AAAAAAAAAkc/vKfmioDuQm8/s1600/james.jpg [08:18] Knightwise: I don't think so from his wikipedia page, but he is married [08:18] ah ! my mestake === iahmad is now known as iahmad|lunch [08:19] theopensourcerer: that is just plain wrong :) [08:21] or it shows your age [08:21] :-D [08:21] here's an image to redress the balance: http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/GoodLife3BBC_468x426.jpg === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [08:21] Yep - I'll be 50 in a 3 years [08:22] Morning all o/ [08:24] theopensourcerer: me will be 38 in a month [08:24] Boo === darren-afk is now known as darren [08:24] A mere baby [08:24] How many peeps are gonig to the release party then? :) [08:24] Me :-D [08:25] wish i could , can"t find one in the benelux area [08:25] Will we have a full compliment of Alans? [08:25] selinuxium: I have 34 names [08:25] there are some +1s as well [08:25] Should be a good do! :) [08:25] I don't see Alan Cocks on the list [08:26] 3/4 Alans... [08:26] :) [08:26] time for breakfast, toodleoo [08:26] We need moar Alans [08:26] Quite looking forward to it. [08:26] Think of changing my name via Deed Poll [08:26] ;) [08:27] theopensourcerer, Servilan... That takes me back... :) [08:28] Indeed. She was interviewd on a TV show recently and was saying how "flattered" she was about what teenage boys got up to when she was on TV. ;-) [08:29] Don't know what you mean... :) [08:31] theopensourcerer, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48gH_v8ulLA :D [08:32] very good selinuxium [08:33] morning all [08:37] You're all making me feel younger, thank you! [08:39] Good morning all! :) [08:49] Servilan ! :) She was hot [08:50] how can i export a bireoffice doc to pdf and include the comments in the pdf too? [08:50] bire/libre [08:50] Although Glinnis Barber was also quite sexy [08:51] mungojerry: comments like annotations? [08:51] yeah [08:51] hmm, dunno [08:51] AlanBell, ah, found a export comments ooption...trying now [08:52] ok, I would try uploading to google docs and either share read only from there or see if there is an export route that way [08:52] and there is a nasty bug printing SVG from libreoffice at the moment [08:53] looks good on screen, rasterises it low res to print, you need to use EPS or do some other tricks to get it to work [08:55] http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/nametags.pdf <- EPS logo to avoid fuzzy logo on name badges for the release party [08:55] nah the comments export fails [08:59] diplo, Glad to be of service. :) === iahmad|lunch is now known as iahmad [09:10] AlanBell, thanks for google doc suggestion, managed to import and export into the docx format better than LO === NimChimpsky is now known as Nim[afk] [09:27] good morning everyone. [09:47] Just realised... Alan Pop, Alan Lord and Alan Bell... 4 characters forename and surname... three 4 by 4's [09:47] its strange [09:47] I still think they are one and the same person [09:47] you must comply to the naming convention, resistance is futile [09:47] good Morn brobostigon ! [09:47] pop? [09:48] Alan Pop ... [09:48] Pope... Apoligies.. [09:48] Alan Sned, reporting for duty [09:48] :) [09:48] sounds like a rockstar from the 80's [09:48] the King of Pop [09:48] morning Knightwise [09:48] * popey hugs d0od [09:48] Open source Garry Glitter [09:48] uhhhm [09:48] Apologies... (sems like I am hittin ghte keyboard with a pound of sausages) [09:48] role model fail [09:48] i wonder if i could feasibly fit a kitty the size of a small pony in my house. [09:48] morning d0od [09:49] morning AlanBell :D [09:49] popey: did you like the end result of the interview ? [09:49] directhex: you might have better luck with a pony the size of a small kitty [09:49] not had chance to listen yet [09:50] directhex, Is Tha a Maine Coon cat? (I wan't one of those) [09:50] selinuxium, siberian [09:50] about the same length as a maine coon, a bit shorter though [09:51] directhex, nice :) [09:53] popey: I think "The distro that is friendly for Youzeewoozees" should be the promo line on the next LTS release. [09:54] AlanBell, unlikely, i have a violent horse allergy [09:55] davmor2: ping [09:55] i'm allergic to violent horses too [09:57] I horseride violent alergies [09:57] * d0od tries reading 'Youzewwoozees' aloud to make sense of it [09:57] bigcalm, davmor2: When are you two planning the next co-working day? [09:57] mrevell: that's what I'm pinging davmor2 about [09:57] aha! [09:57] d0od: Use - E - Wooz - EE's [09:57] mrevell: but considering that it's release day... [09:57] bigcalm, It's *a* release day. [09:57] :) [09:58] Oh [09:58] !1210 [09:58] !12.10 [09:58] Ubuntu 12.10 (Quantal Quetzal) will be the 17th release of Ubuntu, Discussion and support until final release in #ubuntu+1 [09:58] !isitoutyet [09:58] Nope, it's not out. - http://bit.ly/Wdxvys [09:59] bigcalm, All I meant is that none of the three of us work on Ubuntu, so maybe it doesn't affect us. [09:59] mrevell: davmor does [10:00] bigcalm, Ah, righto. [10:00] mrevell: I thought you knew what davmor2 did [10:01] bigcalm, Well, I did but I guess that's changed. [10:02] mrevell: maybe I'm wrong. But he did say that he's rather unlikely to attend the LUG on the night before a release [10:03] davmor2: wake up and give us information :D [10:03] release isn't normally that busy, i mean its not like your even allowed to make changes. just busy for people testing isos and involved in actually releasing [10:04] gord: so you're going to the work place day? [10:06] nope, 13.04 is keeping me home [10:07] next two weeks are uds fun times as well [10:07] gord: dont forget the tea bags [10:08] czajkowski, aren't you coming? [10:08] yes [10:09] but you bring my tea bags! [10:09] gord: go get your own! [10:09] plus I'm there from sunday to friday [10:09] i don't understand that statement [10:09] you;ll have to manage a whole week on your own [10:11] * Laney wants to go to the lego shop [10:12] * DJones debates whether to upgrade to 12.10 [10:12] do it! [10:14] AlanBell: Wag that "do it" to the lego shop or the upgrade :) [10:14] rams! :D [10:14] bigcalm: cheeky git I've been awake for ages :P [10:15] s/wag/was/ [10:15] davmor2: you're not awake if you're not talking on IRC :P [10:15] DJones: both [10:15] Heh [10:15] mrevell: why you planning on coming on Thursday [10:15] morning all [10:16] Hi davmor2 (lazy) [10:17] bigcalm: well I was hoping to be going down to London but the fact that wifey isn't on top form means that might be going down the swany plus testing that everything is working correctly is taking a while. So with that I will likely be in Wolves [10:18] bigcalm: let me flit over to moreati and see what he is all about [10:18] davmor2: bummer man [10:20] gord: you gonna join us for a mini release party on thursday [10:21] davmor2: so a release party at the Moon Under Water again? [10:21] [11:06] nope, 13.04 is keeping me home [10:24] hmmm :- [10:24] new firmware for my google nexus :-) [10:25] bigcalm: My Xoom is on a new version of Jelly bean :P [10:31] wish my phone would get the jelly baby upgrade already [10:32] gord: samsung s3 by any chance? [10:32] Dr Who's phone runs Jelly Baby [10:32] yup [10:32] all the rest runs Jelly Bean :) [10:34] all i'm really interested in is if a bug has been fixed really. for some reason if i let my phone use wifi it drains the battery, but if i use 3g its fine. which is the opposite experience of my previous phone [10:40] gord: mine doesn't install 3g watchdog and see if it is still connected to 3g as well as the wifi [10:40] davmor2, it started happening before i'd even put the sim card in there, so i don't think its that [10:41] I want a simple app in Ubuntu called "presentation mode" which switches off everything except maybe ssh and http from a browser of my choice [10:41] so i can guarantee I get no popups on my machine from email etc when on a projector [10:41] but which allows me to ssh to boxes or use the browser to demo stuff [10:41] popey: mmm [10:43] popey: so you need a script that does killall * [10:43] killall notify-osd? [10:43] no, because i dont want the notifications to be lost [10:43] i want the apps to stop talking [10:44] also useful for 3g connections [10:44] call it NSTFU (Network, Shut... " [10:45] be nice if it was configurable, so i could enable chrome, but disable firefox.. for my demo [10:45] per-app firewalling basically [10:45] hands up who uses thunderbird? [10:45] i tend to just use a guest session [10:45] does your envelope thingymegiggy change colour when you get a new email these days ? [10:46] per app firewall stuff would be nice though [10:46] czajkowski: Yup does ( running 12.10 ) [10:46] not updated since Friday though [10:46] bah [10:47] mine doesnt [10:47] gord: guest session isn't always viable for example if you are running a juju demo you need a user that can access lxc for example [10:48] czajkowski: mine just randomly stops working from time to time [10:48] yeah, i use guest, but then you dont have data, and guest can't run certain apps [10:49] e.g. Chrome wont run as a guest session [10:50] bigcalm: moreati can't make Thursday so unless mrevell is joining us [10:58] czajkowski: is thunderbird listed in the indicator? [11:00] yes [11:00] davmor2: mine is, as "Mail". I'm guessing that means "default mail client" [11:01] czajkowski: then you broked it, you really should be allowed near computers ;) [11:02] :/ [11:02] czajkowski: is this an upgrade or a fresh install? [11:02] mrevell: ping [11:02] bigcalm: the fact he is so quite makes me think he might be in a meeting [11:03] theopensourcerer, I have had Pink Floyd stuck in my head now all morning... [11:03] Ah well [11:03] kjalil: mine says Thunderbir Mail [11:03] selinuxium: you make that sound like it is a bad thing [11:04] You might find doing some work would help selinuxium ;-) [11:04] theopensourcerer: irony coming from you :p [11:05] Ah cz - you have been very quiet dear. [11:05] see I do work [11:05] :) [11:05] and break things [11:05] I keep meaning to put some music on, but every time I think about it I get distracted by work. [11:07] theopensourcerer, I am 'working' :) Why do you think I have been hiding away form IRC for all this time... :) [11:07] czajkowski: you might want to leave breaking things to the professionals though sweetie :P [11:07] davmor2: oi back in your box dearest! [11:08] czajkowski: Prod by the way [11:08] * selinuxium chuckles [11:08] czajkowski: infact PROD!!!!!!!!!!!! your further away so the prod needs to be bigger [11:09] ugh [11:10] davmor2: go and break things [11:10] :) [11:11] czajkowski: I am, I broke you will just :P [11:13] davmor2: ok, not sure why mine says just 'Mail' then [11:14] kjalil: are you on precise or quantal [11:15] kjalil: due to the fact that you can webapps like gmail added to the indicator all the client are named to save confusion in quantal, in precise it is listed as mail [11:37] davmor2: oh I'm on precise, that must be why then [11:51] Anyone ever had this? copied passwd/groups/shadow etc over on a linux box as we always do on a migration but now when we run a useradd it kernel panics [11:52] diplo: wow, a kernel panic? no [11:53] strace it [11:53] oh, hang on :) [11:53] :D [11:53] diplo: migrate from what to what? what did you copy [11:53] is it common to manually copy those files over? [11:53] the files above from one machine to another [11:53] what about user homes, spool files etc? [11:53] diplo: same version of OS? [11:53] Well it's the way our support guys have done it [11:53] newer [11:54] sounds hairy [11:54] user homes only have a .profile in them, not sure how he does that [11:54] yeah they might have copied some libs or something they shouldn't have? [11:54] But works 99% of the time, is there a good way of migrating tens to hundreds of users that anyone knows of.. [11:54] this has just worked for us [11:55] Nope, all users are already in passwd can login and work fine [11:55] It's just we can't use useradd without it panicking [11:55] put the users in LDAP and home dirs in shared storage? [11:57] yeah that's a like, not an option for now [11:58] The guys in headoffice, know what they know and not much else, so I fill in the rest, before I googled anymore I thought I'd see what anyone else has done or experienced [11:58] diplo: how did they migrate the /etc stuff across and how did the migrate the home dirs? rsync? what options if so? [11:58] i'm thinking of permissions or ownership problems [11:59] or even selinux issues, if you use that [12:00] nah, selinux disabled, will check permissions it's already on my list [12:00] But yeah rsync I think, they use the same process everytime and no issue [12:00] So it's a one off [12:02] Hmm, shadown permissions are different, maybe that [12:03] diplo: you should really use --numeric-id when moving users across to make sure they have the same uid, if the target OS will be OK with that though [12:05] I'll play with it and see if I can reproduce in a vm I guess [12:06] cool [12:07] thanks for thoughts though, I'll try now permissions first [12:07] diplo: have you thought about maybe just using clonezilla [12:09] * davmor2 does fresh installs of quantal i386 and adm64 see what he can break muhahahahahahahahahaahahahaha [12:12] * popey wishes 12.10 worked in virtualbox :( [12:12] Obi-wan are you okay, I felt a disturbance in the force, as if a million developers cried out in pain and then were no more [12:13] * jacobw thinks it's crazy ubuntu desktop no longers works in virtualization [12:13] diplo: It was a newer version of OS as far as I am aware, this again normally just works [12:18] 13.04 should be named Rolling Rabbit. [12:19] popey: Roland Rat [12:19] Eeeeee Kevin! [12:20] ...and we're back to children's TV :D [12:20] dwatkins: well the rest of tv is crap [12:21] davmor2: sadly I have to agree with you now that Doctor Who is on haitus [12:22] dwatkins: but that started as the bbc saturday family sci-fi show [12:22] true, a friend of mine refuses to watch Doctor Who because he thinks it's "kids' TV" and therefore not worth watching. He doesn't know what he's missing. [12:23] why is all so hyped up by Dr Who, i never meeting it :p [12:24] watch it* [12:24] memtest86+ on 12G RAM is likely to take a long time. [12:24] where the fuck did i got that meeting from [12:24] I find it has a lot of depth, there are things that adults appreciate just as well as children. [12:24] like Spongebob [12:24] please mind your language, bittin^work [12:25]