[11:16] <snap-l> orning
[11:17] <rick_h_> morning
[11:17] <rick_h_> ugh
[11:53] <snap-l> That good, eh?
[13:08] <jjesse> happy tuesday
[13:19] <rick_h_> yea, that good
[13:34] <snap-l> rick_h_: Sorry to hear that. Anything we can do to help out?
[13:50] <rick_h_> snap-l: naw, boy got up too early and starting to come down with something so just ugh
[13:50] <snap-l> Oh, no fun
[13:50] <snap-l> Hope he feels better soon
[13:50] <rick_h_> https://github.com/mitechie/Bookie/pull/191 is freaking cool though :)
[13:51] <rick_h_> going to be a busy CHC tomorrow
[14:10] <snap-l> rick_h_: That is awesome. :)
[14:14] <jrwren> https://github.com/yaronn/wcf.js  <--- lame
[14:15] <rick_h_> jrwren: yea, that's just crazy crap
[14:15] <jrwren> its fail on so many levels it makes me sad.
[14:15] <rick_h_> but hey, someone needed enough to spend the time writing it
[14:15] <rick_h_> I don't have to touch it
[14:15] <jrwren> but not just sad, angry and upset that this is the state of our industry.
[14:15] <jrwren> its very disappointing
[14:16] <rick_h_> :(
[14:17] <jrwren> maybe i've been living in rainbow and unicorn land for long enough now that I forgot how dumb the world is :)
[14:17] <snap-l> Ugh, why?
[14:18] <jrwren> i'm not sure. I expect more from people I suppose.
[14:19] <snap-l> jrwren: It's probably one of these "we haave to support X" things
[14:19] <rick_h_> someone working in a MS shop wants to write what he sees the cool HN kids are using :P
[14:19] <rick_h_> "It'll be super fast"
[14:19] <jrwren> no no, MS is pushing node.js HARD.
[14:19] <snap-l> I'm sure nobody wakes up in the morning and says "y'know what the world needs? WCF in js"
[14:19] <rick_h_> jrwren: yea, they did a ton of work with those guys to get it running on windows
[14:19] <jrwren> no no, i'm even OK with taht.
[14:20] <jrwren> what bugs me is the person who wrote it is ignorant of soap and not using xml concat.
[14:20] <jrwren> WCF as he wrote it is just MS's soap library.
[14:20] <jrwren> it would be like writing a basic node.js module to talk to apache axis, using only the basics of soap, but being so ignorant of what you are doing that you call it node axis instead of node soap.
[15:21] <rick_h_> the article is kind of whatever, but this graph is freaking amazing from the github perspective: http://jakevdp.github.com/figures/author_count.png
[15:24] <rick_h_> and this is interesting with the MS store http://goo.gl/RKAOB
[15:28] <rick_h_> heh, for snap-l https://twitter.com/mitsuhiko/status/258227604925054976
[15:34] <brousch> Linux and Android will be the only places where you can install and run the software you want
[15:35] <jcastro_> I am glad they're locking it down
[15:36] <jrwren> more opportunity for someone to take over with freedom
[15:37] <jcastro_> actually I was thinking from a quality perspective
[15:37] <jcastro_> have you ever seen a laptop from best buy? It's garbage
[15:37] <jcastro_> they install all this junk
[15:38] <brousch> Now they can make all the junk non-uninstallable
[15:38] <brousch> Like apps that come on non-rooted phones
[15:38] <jrwren> true, crapware is shit.
[15:38] <jrwren> i don't see this as solving that.
[15:38] <jrwren> desktop mode can still have endless crapware
[15:38] <rick_h_> if you think this is going to stop crapware...well think again
[15:39] <rick_h_> they'll just do something like verizon did with their own android app store at first so they could load their android phones with crap
[15:43] <rick_h_> grrrr...bigger screens same dippy resolution http://techcrunch.com/2012/10/16/study-average-display-size-climbing-on-all-devices-except-for-mobile-pcs/
[15:43] <rick_h_> and with that I'm done with RSS catch up time between code reviews ...
[15:52] <brousch> I moved up from 14" 1440x800 to 14" 1600x900 with this laptop
[15:53] <snap-l> brousch: Dear God, Lotus 1-2-3 R5?
[15:53] <snap-l> rick_h_: Thanks for that. :) (re: Excel)
[15:54] <brousch> yessir
[15:54] <brousch> And the only thing I have found that can read it, other than itself, is Ms Excel
[15:54] <snap-l> jcastro_: They'll just bake in the crap-ware like my phone
[15:54] <brousch> So I have an Excel spreadsheet that links into Lotus, then I can get info out of the Excel spreadsheet into Access
[15:54] <snap-l> so they'll have some form of OS spin that adds the shit back
[15:55] <snap-l> brousch: You just hurt my head.
[15:55] <jcastro_> snap-l: yeah but MS can control that
[15:55] <jcastro_> it's just they preferred the money to the user experience in the past
[15:55] <jcastro_> and now people hate that
[16:02] <rick_h_> man I hate computers for normal people
[16:02] <rick_h_> FIL gets a virus, best buy says $400 to clean it up, jsut spend $600 for a new computer
[16:02] <snap-l> jcastro_: And i don't trust Microsoft to keep it that way. They've capitulated in the past to follow the $$
[16:02] <rick_h_> gets a new computer (because he has a freaking virus) and it won't get on the wifi
[16:02] <rick_h_> best buy says it's a crappy acer, just take it back and get a different computer
[16:03] <rick_h_> now he's two new computers in, comcast can't get his 'email working' on the new one and all because he got a dippy virus!!!
[16:03]  * rick_h_ must stay out of it...don't want to drive down there ... ugh
[16:03] <jcastro_> wow, he's using comcast email? nice!
[16:03] <rick_h_> there's what people hate, forget just some crapware on their pcs, they don't know anything about it tbh
[16:04] <snap-l> Or my BIL's wife who hosed up her machine with some dippy coupon program
[16:04] <rick_h_> yea, the old 'I can't change my email address because everyone has this one' thing
[16:04] <rick_h_> normal people + computers suck
[16:04] <jcastro_> hook him up with gmail with the pop slurping
[16:04] <jcastro_> oh hey
[16:04] <jcastro_> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/cloudserver-r-framework-charms
[16:05] <jcastro_> can you try to supercede this BP?
[16:05] <jcastro_> it oopses for me
[16:05] <rick_h_> hmm, no option to for me
[16:05] <rick_h_> I'm not almighty in LP, have to hit up ops
[16:27] <jrwren> rick_h_: msft's app store is more like apples, not like android. You can't make your own store. So crapware is unlikely in the "Modern" winrt environment.
[16:33] <snap-l> jrwren: I'll believe it when I see it
[16:34] <snap-l>  If MS was really concerned with overall quality, they might have reigned in some of their OEM licenses
[16:35] <jjesse> the surface RT will proablly have bloatware preinstalled but i think the store itself will be cleaner
[16:35] <snap-l> This feels more like the Nintendo "Official Seal" methodology as opposed to the Atari 2600 crap-fest
[16:36] <snap-l> Which was sold as some form of platform quality control, but was really about getting Nintendo a cut of every sale
[16:37] <snap-l> and allowing them censorship capabilities
[16:38] <snap-l> Guarantee the moment Cygwin doesn't get approved is the moment when RMS writes a giant "I WAS RIGHT" blogpost
[16:40] <snap-l> And where Apple would get a quality pass because of their past idiosyncracies with the iPhone store and "overall platform hegenomy", Microsoft will get no such comfort.
[16:41] <snap-l> s/hegenomy/hegemony/
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[17:35] <greg-g> rick_h_: congrats on the pull request for bookie rss support :)
[17:36] <rick_h_> greg-g: yea, will have to clean it up some but nice to get a good pull request on there
[17:36] <rick_h_> especially since I've been a lazy butt on it lately
[17:36] <rick_h_> though to be fair I asked about RSS support and I got that no one was really interested in it :P
[17:51] <greg-g> heh
[18:01] <jrwren> jjesse: how could surface rt possibly have bloatware?
[18:01] <jjesse> MS installs it?
[18:02] <jrwren> ah, that is likely
[18:02] <jjesse> why does my phone have bloatware like Golf that i can't uninstall
[18:02] <jrwren> that is usually the carrier, not google, AFAIK
[18:04] <greg-g> right
[18:14] <jcastro_> my carrier installs nothing on my phone. :)
[18:15] <brousch> Who is your carier?
[18:16] <jcastro_> tmo
[18:16] <jcastro_> I am being coy though
[18:16] <jcastro_> I bring my own device
[18:16] <jcastro_> I am sure they ruin the phones they sell directly
[19:50] <greg-g> for jrwren https://plus.google.com/photos/103629448373144540352/albums/5799986305683711425/5799986309960389570
[19:51] <jcastro_> hah
[19:53] <greg-g> :)
[19:53] <brousch> Do you get that a lot greg-g?
[19:53] <greg-g> brousch: all the time
[19:57] <snap-l> hah
[19:58] <snap-l> brousch: If we had the release party on Saturday, would you be able to make it?
[19:58] <snap-l> jcastro_: Same question.
[19:59] <jcastro_> I have a commitment at 3pm
[19:59] <jcastro_> for about 3 hours or so?
[19:59] <brousch> snap-l: No, I can't do Saturday
[20:01] <snap-l> jcastro_: It would be after 6pm
[20:01] <snap-l> brousch: Sunday? :)
[20:01] <brousch> Unsure
[20:01] <brousch> I'll check
[20:04] <jcastro_> snap-l: yeah probably
[20:20] <snap-l> jcastro_: OK. So you could make Satrday afer 6pm
[20:20] <jcastro_> yeah
[20:26] <brousch> snap-l: I've just signed myself up to give a talk at GRWebDev on Monday. I'm going to have to bug out no matter what the day
[20:26] <snap-l> brousch: Bugger.
[20:26] <snap-l> OK, thanks for the update. )
[20:26] <snap-l> :)
[20:35] <brousch> Sorry :(
[20:35] <snap-l> No cookie
[20:36] <brousch> I'm hoping for a West MI Ubuntu release party in cooperation with the WMLUG as usual
[20:37] <snap-l> That would be cool.
[20:37] <rick_h_> jcastro_: bug report on your blog when I shared teh juju gui link
[20:37] <rick_h_> "if you're" on the right sidebar
[20:38] <jcastro_> whoa!~
[20:40] <jcastro_> thanks, fixed. regenerating and deploying
[20:40] <rick_h_> heh
[23:19] <brousch> I'm so proud of myself. My first bug report on Python http://bugs.python.org/issue16255
[23:25] <Blazeix> brousch++
[23:26] <brousch> Oh, and we got Fabric running on Android, with a monkeypatch to work around that bug
[23:42] <rick_h_> brousch: awesome!