[04:37] <nuvolari> hi oom KilosU 
[04:38] <nuvolari> oom is vroeg op!
[04:38] <KilosU> lo nuvolari 
[04:38] <KilosU> dit gaan reen
[04:38] <nuvolari> dis reeds bewolk hierso
[04:38] <KilosU> jys hier
[04:38] <nuvolari> lol
[04:38] <KilosU> het jy die bed nat gemaak?
[04:38] <nuvolari> o, ek dog omdat oom so vroeg hier is
[04:38] <nuvolari> nee, darm nie oom
[04:38] <KilosU> lol nee
[04:38] <nuvolari> was net vroeg op
[04:39] <nuvolari> ek moet gaan klaarmaak
[04:39] <nuvolari> sien oom later!
[04:39] <nuvolari> hou die fort oom!
[04:39] <KilosU> ek maak het oop vir sus hierdie tyd elke dag maar gewoonlik is pc af
[04:39] <KilosU> was bang gisteraand om af te sit
[04:40] <nuvolari> hmm, hoekom oom?
[04:40] <KilosU> mooi loop seun
[04:40] <nuvolari> ek moet nog kyk of my updates klaargemaak het gister
[04:40] <nuvolari> dankie oom KilosU 
[04:40] <KilosU> bang ek verloor iptables goed
[04:40] <nuvolari> ah
[04:40] <nuvolari> ok, ek is weg
[04:40] <nuvolari> oom moet firestarter gebruik
[04:40] <KilosU> k
[04:40] <nuvolari> dis baie maklik
[04:41] <KilosU> sjoe ek sukkel al weke met baie goed. gaan nou
[04:41] <KilosU> sien jou later
[04:41] <nuvolari> (ek praat uit konteks, ek weet nie waarvoor oom dit gebruik nie :P)
[04:41] <nuvolari> tot later
[04:41] <KilosU> om 2 pcs een 3g te gee
[04:41] <KilosU> sonder router
[05:04] <Kilos> Symmetria, you awake?
[05:45] <Kilos> hi DigiGram 
[05:45] <DigiGram> morning Kilos 
[05:45] <Kilos> queery ping
[05:45] <Kilos> you one of the young group
[05:45] <DigiGram> why whats up?
[05:45] <Kilos> how do i get whatsapp to work on ubuntu
[05:46] <DigiGram> if you find a way let me know :)
[05:46] <Kilos> lol do you use it
[05:46] <DigiGram> whatsapp only works if you have a sim card inserted, so you can't run it in an emulator
[05:47] <Kilos> i just know peeps leaving mxit to go whatsapp and dunno why
[05:47] <DigiGram> I would love it, but as far as I know, there is no clear way of making it work
[05:47] <Kilos> i google before and it was many megs of stuff to install for that emulator thing
[05:48] <DigiGram> whats nice about whatsapp is, it's almost the same as SMS's, you don't get network errors (or its just hidden at least), and you are logged in automaticly, and anybody with your number has you on whatsapp automatically
[05:49] <DigiGram> yeah, the android emulator is quite large, but it does not give you access to a phone number
[05:49] <Kilos> oh
[05:49] <DigiGram> and whatsapp needs that. You can't even register another number on your phone
[05:50] <DigiGram> during setup they send an sms to your phone that your phone needs to auto detect
[05:51] <Kilos> oh so you gotta start from a fone
[05:52] <Kilos> same as mxit used to be before evo
[05:52] <DigiGram> almost yeah
[05:52] <DigiGram> but mxit uses jabber, so you could connect with other clients
[05:52] <DigiGram> I still do
[05:53] <Kilos> sons chick has whatsapp on her windows pc, so i will keep looking, there must be linux way too
[05:56] <DigiGram> if she can tell you what app she uses, I'll figure it out for ubuntu
[05:57] <Kilos> ok i will get hold of her via mail because since the whatsapp thing she never mxits no more
[05:57] <Kilos> stupid woman
[05:57] <DigiGram> hehe
[05:57] <DigiGram> well let me know, then I'll figure it for us
[05:57] <Kilos> she said though that she couldnt use fone while on pc using it
[05:58] <Kilos> cool
[05:59] <DigiGram> maybe she just use VNC to access the phone from pc
[06:00] <Kilos> Maaz, google  whatsapp from PC
[06:00] <Maaz> Kilos: "How to Install Whatsapp on PC" http://www.ruchirablog.com/install-whatsapp-pc/ :: "WhatsApp on PC | How to get Whatsapp on your personal computer" http://whatsapponpc.com/ :: "Whatsapp Messenger on your Windows PC [How To]" http://www.theandroidsoul.com/how-to-use-whatsapp-messenger-on-your-windows-pc/ :: "How to Install WHATSAPP on PC [2012] - YouTube"
[06:00] <Maaz> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qd6EINMlygg :: "How to WhatsApp for PC 100% free Guide [WORKI…
[06:01] <Kilos> she is a dodo on a pc
[06:04] <Kilos> she wouldnt know about vnc
[06:05] <DigiGram> hehe
[06:05] <DigiGram> maybe used a guide
[06:05] <DigiGram> I will check those vid's later
[06:05] <Kilos> np
[06:13] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday 
[06:14] <maiatoday> hi Kilos
[06:14] <maiatoday> thanks everyone for doing the meeting last night
[06:14] <maiatoday> I fell asleep and then woke up when queery pinged me :(
[06:15] <Kilos> maiatoday, are you ordering the cd's?
[06:15] <maiatoday> or let me rephrase, when I woke up I saw his ping and it was too late
[06:15] <Kilos> lol np girl
[06:15] <maiatoday> I have already ordered the CDS
[06:15] <maiatoday> they are DVDs this time
[06:15] <Kilos> youre a star
[06:16] <maiatoday> also yesterday I had a chat or two with Kerbero about the release party
[06:16] <Kilos> yeah we heard 12.10 is too big for cd
[06:16] <maiatoday> nothing finalised yet
[06:16] <Kilos> great
[06:17] <Kilos> when finalised let not_found know please
[06:17] <maiatoday> ok cool
[06:17] <maiatoday> I will also blog about the parties soon I hope
[06:17] <Kilos> he is doing the reports
[06:17] <Kilos> dunno if you were here when he offered
[06:18] <maiatoday> thanks not_found for doing the reports
[06:18] <maiatoday> every bit helps
[06:18] <maiatoday> our re-approval is in dec I think
[06:18] <Kilos> ah
[06:19] <maiatoday> but we have bee keeping track of things so it shouldn't be too hard to put the web page together for re-approval
[06:19] <Kilos> nice
[06:19] <Kilos> we lost without you
[06:20] <maiatoday> :) thanks, but you know, everybody is doing a great job
[06:20] <maiatoday> the meetings get scheduled, the reports get done
[06:20] <maiatoday> the twitter feed gets updated
[06:21] <maiatoday> with these basic things in place we can do more exciting things too
[06:21] <Kilos> hopefully yeah
[06:21] <maiatoday> and it's more fun if more people help out
[06:21] <Kilos> hows all your stuff doing girl?
[06:21] <Kilos> you winning at least?
[06:21] <maiatoday> so I feel bad for not being around but on the flip side I think it is a good thing
[06:22] <maiatoday> my studies are finished now, I passed and everything 
[06:22] <Kilos> yeah spreading the workload
[06:22] <Kilos> well done
[06:22] <maiatoday> from that though I have some projects I have to do which is eating my time
[06:22] <maiatoday> ty
[06:22] <maiatoday> also 2 day jobs hehe, granted they are both only 3 days a week but it adds yp
[06:22] <maiatoday> s/yp/up
[06:23] <Kilos> hi SmilyBorg 
[06:23] <SmilyBorg> Hi there
[06:23] <maiatoday> hi SMilyBorg, I saw you queery's post to the loco website had some problems, are they sorted out now?
[06:23] <Kilos> sjoe maiatoday dont burn yourself out
[06:24] <SmilyBorg> sorry that I didn't make it to the meeting last night. had a bit of a bad spell
[06:24] <Kilos> aw np SmilyBorg 
[06:24] <maiatoday> Kilos, hopefully I'm on fire not burning out
[06:24] <Kilos> you're forgiven
[06:24] <Kilos> hehe
[06:29] <Kilos> maiatoday, how you getting aroung the customs guys?
[06:29] <SmilyBorg> I think it's sorted. Everyone's explanation of what happened makes sense, and apparently the loco site will be updated with the correct info
[06:30] <maiatoday> ok well just ping me or fix the loco site if there is still a problem SmilyBorg
[06:30] <maiatoday> Kilos, dunno, we'll have to see what they write on the invoice. Ususally if it isn't a lot of money I just pay it
[06:30] <Kilos> ai
[06:31] <maiatoday> biggest issue is it delays things by months sometimes
[06:31] <Kilos> they must make it like 2$ or something
[06:31] <Kilos> yeah they are a pain
[06:31] <maiatoday> well the package is like 8 kg so they can't really make it 2$
[06:32] <maiatoday> if they say something like marketing material or flyers it helps
[06:32] <maiatoday> but if they say CDs it gets stopped
[06:32] <maiatoday> I'll just deal with it when it gets here
[06:33] <Kilos> do you have a contact at canonical you can explain nicely to
[06:33] <maiatoday> hmm no not really, I mean there is a contact to track the package but it is part of a bigger distribution so you can't really track it before that
[06:34] <maiatoday> thing is if they would just tell me how much the customs is early and not make it stuck while they decide then I would actually prefer to pay the customs to get the DVDs out quicker
[06:34] <Kilos> no i mean to explain what to say is in the package
[06:35] <maiatoday> no not really
[06:35] <Kilos> someone must have
[06:35] <Kilos> drussell, you here
[06:35] <Kilos> ?
[06:36] <Kilos> he might have a contact aqs he works for them i think
[07:04] <Kilos> hi jrgns 
[07:04] <Kilos> sjoe
[07:04] <Kilos> peer at it again
[07:42] <superfly> hi Vince-0_
[07:42] <Vince-0_> haai
[07:43] <superfly> Vince-0_: I see you found me on G+
[07:43] <Vince-0_> I did - 
[08:00] <Kilos> hi superfly Vince-0 
[08:01] <superfly> morning oom Kilos
[08:01]  * Kilos tries a reboot to see if them iptable things will still work
[08:30] <Kilos> bad move rebooting
[08:32] <SmilyBorg> Does anyone know anything about http://za.archive.ubuntu.com/ being unresponsive?
[08:32] <Kilos> yes i get nothing either SmilyBorg 
[08:33] <SmilyBorg> arg, and just when I need an app
[08:33] <Kilos> maybe they down
[08:33] <Kilos> change to nother repo
[08:33] <SmilyBorg> can traceroute to them, so maybe just down for maintainance
[08:33] <SmilyBorg> ya, will do
[08:42] <Vince-0> Haai Kilos
[08:42] <Kilos> hehe
[08:42] <Vince-0> Hi SmilyBorg
[08:43] <SmilyBorg> hey Vince-0
[08:52] <Kilos> w000 superfly just running them 3 commands and pc2 connects
[08:52] <Kilos> after a reboot
[08:52]  * Kilos dances a jig
[08:53] <DigiGram> I really need to decide on a distro and stick to it :)
[08:54] <Kilos> lol
[08:54] <superfly> great stuff Kilos
[08:54] <Kilos> ty for the help superfly 
[08:54] <superfly> SmilyBorg: don't bother with that, use UFS's mirror instead
[08:54] <superfly> Kilos: you're welcome
[08:54] <DigiGram> Hopefully my new netbook will support a newer ubuntu or mint at least
[08:55] <Kilos> DigiGram, you like unity?
[08:55] <superfly> DigiGram: what netbook is that?
[08:55] <SmilyBorg> last I checked we have 8 confirmed ad 5 maybes for saturday :-) 
[08:55] <DigiGram> Kilos, not at all
[08:55] <SmilyBorg> superfly: UFS?
[08:55] <Kilos> and kde?
[08:55] <DigiGram> and superfly I still need to shop for one
[08:55] <Kilos> good news that SmilyBorg 
[08:55] <DigiGram> http://mirror.ufs.ac.za/
[08:55] <SmilyBorg> ya :-)
[08:56] <DigiGram> I love KDE, but my laptop is to old for KDE to work nice, so I use LXDE or MATE
[08:56] <SmilyBorg> thanks guys. just used the main servers. was trying to get prepaid-manager-applet installed
[08:56] <SmilyBorg> now I need to figure how to get it to retrieve a balance on 8ta
[08:56] <Kilos> i installed mate again this morning. hard work unity
[08:57] <superfly> DigiGram: too old? I find that strange
[08:57] <charlvn> ohayo gozaimas
[08:57] <charlvn> Maaz: coffee on
[08:57]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[08:57] <superfly> DigiGram: KDE handles no 3D so much better than Unity tand Gnome Shell
[08:57] <charlvn> good meeting yesterday
[08:57] <DigiGram> well, KDE does work, but I have to sacrifice a lot of speed
[08:58] <superfly> DigiGram: I've never noticed that, I've run KDE on less than I've run Unity or Gnome
[08:58] <superfly> and it has run better
[08:58] <DigiGram> Laptop is a celeron made for Vista
[08:58] <tonberryE352> acquire ssd 
[08:58] <tonberryE352> find seatbelt
[08:58] <DigiGram> its funny, KDE gives me problems on my PC and laptop, but at work it was great
[08:59] <superfly> DigiGram: what graphics card?
[08:59] <Vince-0> im using cinnamon 
[08:59] <DigiGram> no idea superfly
[08:59] <SmilyBorg> the new unity in 12.10 works gret without 3d aceleration
[08:59] <DigiGram> I haven't tried cinnamon Vince-0, maybe I should set a VM to test it before I format
[09:01] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charlvn!
[09:02] <charlvn> Maaz: thanks
[09:02] <Maaz> charlvn: Sure
[09:04] <DigiGram> let me get a clean USB to install MATE and try that a bit, this LXDE is good, but I want moar
[09:05] <charlvn> oh wow, the mate desktop has the nyan cat in the about screen?!
[09:05] <charlvn> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6d/Mate_Desktop_Ubuntu.png
[09:07] <Kilos> i like mate
[09:07] <Kilos> knocks the socks off unity
[09:08] <charlvn> Kilos: i'm installing it right now :)
[09:09] <DigiGram> mmm, now just to find a USB drive I can format
[09:11] <Vince-0> DigiGram - Ubuntu 12.04 with Cinnamon and AWN launcher 
[09:11] <Vince-0> dual screen is a bit buggy but ees ok
[09:11] <DigiGram> does it use xrandr for dual screen?
[09:12] <Vince-0> ow I don't know
[09:12] <Vince-0> its just the notifications that doen't work well with a second screen attached
[09:12] <DigiGram> I'll install Mint MATE and have a look
[09:13] <charlvn> oooh mate looks old :(
[09:14] <charlvn> and i don't even get the nyan cat in the about screen
[09:14]  * zeref YaaawwwnnNs
[09:14] <DigiGram> I'm not into the too flashy stuff, I'll rather have something that works with my down-to-earth equipment
[09:15] <charlvn> that's strange, the screenshot on the wikipedia is from mate 1.1 and mine is mate 1.4.0
[09:15] <charlvn> DigiGram: in principle, i'm not either, but ths does feel like going back a few years :)
[09:16] <DigiGram> true, but most of my time is spent in terminal, so I don't mind to much
[09:16] <charlvn> took a screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/NURM9.jpg
[09:16] <charlvn> DigiGram: same here, i use mutt for mail and irssi for irc, but still :)
[09:17] <charlvn> once again, i find it strange that i have a "floppy drive" device, even though my VM has none
[09:17] <DigiGram> just get some themes then hehe
[09:18] <charlvn> ok now to try cinnamon ;)
[09:19] <DigiGram> let me know what you think, I'm backing up so long
[09:20] <DigiGram> charlvn, where did you get that about screen
[09:21] <Kilos> you can get help with mate at #mate
[09:21] <charlvn> DigiGram: from the wikipedia
[09:21] <DigiGram> oh okay
[09:22] <charlvn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MATE_(desktop_environment)
[09:22] <DigiGram> because mine looks much different
[09:22] <DigiGram> might be because I have MINT installed with MATE
[09:22] <charlvn> ah
[09:22] <charlvn> no i installed mate on top of ubuntu 12.04
[09:23] <DigiGram> oh okay
[09:23] <charlvn> ooh, cinnamon is more my style
[09:24] <charlvn> made another screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/Ewo3h.jpg
[09:27] <tonberryE352> a civil discussion about desktop environments
[09:27] <tonberryE352> not something you see every day
[09:27] <DigiGram> hahaha yeah Tonberry 
[09:27] <Kilos> hehe
[09:27] <DigiGram> normally its more of an argument
[09:27] <Kilos> we dont fight or be nasty here
[09:27] <Kilos> this is a real community
[09:29] <DigiGram> cinnamon actually does look good
[09:32] <charlvn> me gusta, i think cinnamon is what i have been looking for
[09:32] <charlvn> i have this runnning inside a vm now on my desktop but i might even install it on my laptop later
[09:33] <charlvn> i actually wanna try it inside mint now
[09:34] <DigiGram> yeah maybe I should download mint cinnamon first to see if I like it
[09:35] <charlvn> yeah i first installed the ppa on ubuntu 12.04 but am booting mint cinnamon 13 now inside a different vm
[09:36] <DigiGram> I have mint mate running in a vm for quite a while now
[09:36] <charlvn> lemme try that too
[09:37] <charlvn> strange, mint cinnamon looks a heck of a lot different
[09:38] <DigiGram> yeah, my mint mate looks much better than your screenshot
[09:39] <charlvn> lemme just install it first and add the vmware drivers because it's impossible on this live cd
[09:40] <superfly> I just find gtk and gnome irritating in general... it seems to be aimed at the "I don't know how to use a computer" crowd
[09:41] <charlvn> superfly: it's probably true, to some extent, kde i feel has much more features
[09:42] <DigiGram> will try KDE on the netbook. the new ones packs a better punch than my laptop anycase
[09:43] <Kilos> lol
[09:45] <superfly> DigiGram: I have a Toshiba netbook which is very awesome
[09:45] <DigiGram> I'll see what my budget allows
[09:46] <superfly> DigiGram: it was around R3k when I compared prices
[09:46] <DigiGram> it should be small, good battery life, and should run the newest version of ubuntu/mint/whatever
[09:46] <DigiGram> R3k is around what I'll spend I think
[09:48] <superfly> nb 505 I think it is
[10:04] <charlvn> my mint cinnamon looks like this: http://i.imgur.com/h9QqM.png
[10:04] <charlvn> does that make sense?
[10:05] <charlvn> i downloaded linuxmint-13-cinnamon-dvd-64bit.iso
[10:05] <DigiGram> for me mint mate looks better
[10:05] <charlvn> probably, i will try that next, already got the iso here
[10:05] <charlvn> but first i go on lunch... bbl
[10:05] <DigiGram> enjoy
[10:08] <DigiGram> installer keeps crashing, seems to me I'll need to burn the DVD
[10:24] <Squirm> DigiGram: I'm usuing mate
[10:24] <Squirm> it's good
[10:25] <Squirm> actually. it looks like charlvn :P maybe it's cinnamon
[10:26] <DigiGram> Trying to get the installer working now
[10:26] <Squirm> write it to a flash drive and boot from that ^^
[10:27] <DigiGram> from USB (created with YUMI) it keeps on crashing
[10:27] <Squirm> ah
[10:27] <Squirm> I just use dd these days
[10:28] <Squirm> dd if=/path/to/iso of=/dev/device bs=1M
[10:28] <DigiGram> and then it is bootable?
[10:28] <Squirm> where of is the actual device, not a partition. do say /dev/sdb NOT /dev/sdb1
[10:28] <DigiGram> would've saved me some time
[10:28] <Squirm> s/do/so
[10:28] <DigiGram> yeah I understand
[10:28] <Squirm> it makes it bootable
[10:29] <DigiGram> what I do like about YUMI in windows though is it helps you to add multiple ISO's to your USB
[10:30] <Squirm> yes, that's the only time I've used yumi
[10:30] <Squirm> I think I used it through wine
[10:30] <Squirm> otherwise I used to use unetbootin
[10:30] <Squirm> SmilyBorg: I like your mailing list signature on relativity
[10:30] <SmilyBorg> :-) thanks
[10:31] <SmilyBorg> thats actualy my personal mail signature
[10:31] <Squirm> I figured. should have worded my sentence differently
[10:31] <Squirm> :P
[10:31] <SmilyBorg> hehe, its ok
[10:47] <charlvn> DigiGram: which installer keeps crashing?
[10:48] <DigiGram> when I run MINT MATE x64 as live USB, the install now installer crashes each time it asks for country (before I input anything)
[10:48] <charlvn> wow that's irritating
[10:49] <charlvn> but i have had issues like that before
[10:49] <DigiGram> but I've burned the DVD before Squirm told me dd would've worked
[10:49] <charlvn> it could indeed be because you're booting from usb
[10:49] <charlvn> *might* have worked ;)
[10:49] <DigiGram> okay yeah *might*
[10:49] <DigiGram> will test it another day
[10:49] <charlvn> i also often try to do it in that way but i have had mixed results
[10:49] <DigiGram> for now, the DVD actually worked
[10:50] <charlvn> ah great
[10:50] <charlvn> the traditional way is still the safest way
[10:52] <charlvn> i normally do it by 1) formatting the usb 2) mounting both the iso and the usb device 3) rsync -a the files 4) rename isolinux to syslinux 5) unmount 6) install the syslinux boot loader
[10:52] <charlvn> i have had very good results with that
[10:52] <charlvn> at least when it comes to ubuntu, other distro's i've also had mixed results\
[10:53] <charlvn> but i even managed to install ubuntu on my old macbook pro 8,1 using that technique
[10:53] <charlvn> and i couldn't even get that to boot ubuntu from the cd
[10:54] <charlvn> here's the script i wrote back then: https://github.com/ushahidi/Ubuntu_MacBook_Pro_8.1/blob/master/create.sh
[10:54] <charlvn> but it includes some wireless driver stuff you need after the install
[10:56] <Kilos> what about startup disk creator
[10:56] <Kilos> made my kubuntu work first time
[10:56] <charlvn> had mixed results with that too but usually works for me as well
[10:57] <Kilos> but did it from maverick
[10:57] <charlvn> but then you need ubuntu to start off with
[10:57] <charlvn> so not good for a first time install
[10:57] <Kilos> well duh
[10:57] <charlvn> :)
[10:57] <charlvn> the other day i was helping someone on #ubuntu-nl but he was on windows so he needed to do something else
[10:57] <Kilos> you guys should always have one ubuntu os inna pocket
[10:57] <Squirm> I haven't had an issue with that dd command I pasted
[10:58] <charlvn> us yes :P but not everyone is us
[10:58] <Squirm> yet
[10:58] <charlvn> Squirm: depends on the distro
[10:58] <charlvn> some distro's come with "hyrid iso" images which also works on flash drives
[10:59] <charlvn> but, that said, some older computers don't work with them regardless
[10:59] <charlvn> it depends on the bios
[10:59] <charlvn> for example, to install debian on my somewhat older (5 years old or so) fujitsu-siemens, i need to use the .img usb-hdd images
[11:00] <charlvn> the hybrid iso images don't work with the bios
[11:01] <Kilos> ai no usb-zip
[11:01] <charlvn> Kilos: usb-zip? you mean old zip drives?
[11:01] <Kilos> hey jrgns you like a yoyo today
[11:01] <Kilos> no in bios the option to boot from usb-zip
[11:02] <charlvn> interesting
[11:02] <charlvn> i assume it doesn't refer to the compression format
[11:02] <Kilos> thats what i used the other usb options didnt work
[11:02] <charlvn> hmmmm
[11:02] <charlvn> weird
[11:02] <charlvn> but interesting
[11:02] <Kilos> lol
[11:02] <Kilos> everything weird here
[11:02] <charlvn> lol
[11:03] <Kilos> but we get there in the end
[11:03] <charlvn> weird is the new normal when it comes to computers :P
[11:03] <charlvn> it's actually weird when nothing is weird
[11:03] <jrgns> hey, yes, soz, freakin network issues
[11:03] <jrgns> seems to be sorted for now
[11:03] <Kilos> 3 weeks or more to get 2 pcs using 3g
[11:04] <Kilos> thats good jrgns network isuues
[11:04] <Kilos> sjoe
[11:04] <charlvn> more like network chaos :)
[11:05] <jrgns> hehe
[11:08] <charlvn> ok installing mint mate now
[11:16] <superfly> it seems part of Cape Town is without ADSL
[11:16] <superfly> we have net here at work, but my wife has none at home
[11:19] <charlvn> a default install from linuxmint-13-mate-dvd-64bit.iso (+ vmware drivers) gives me this: http://i.imgur.com/rExx1.png
[11:20] <charlvn> conclusion: cinnamon looks sexy on ubuntu but not on mint and mate looks sexy on mint but not on ubuntu
[11:20] <charlvn> that's going completely from the default configuration - obviously that can be changed drastically...
[11:21] <charlvn> the default configurations on the various distro's are also all just configurations at the end of the day
[12:08] <charlvn> here's another distro that has ubuntu-based mate/cinnamon desktops:
[12:08] <charlvn> http://www.snowlinux.de/blog/380-snowlinux-2-qcreamq-mate-released\
[12:08] <charlvn> http://www.snowlinux.de/blog/413-snowlinux-2-qcreamq-cinnamon-released
[13:58] <inetpro> yikes!
[13:58] <inetpro> good mornings
[13:58] <inetpro> you guys talk a lot today
[14:04] <superfly> afternoon inetpro 
[14:33] <Kilos> lol lo inetpro 
[15:21] <Kilos> queery have you figured a way to use whatsapp on ubuntu?
[15:22] <Kilos> or you also only got on fone
[15:47] <hubx> hi there
[15:56] <magespawn> Good evening all
[15:56] <Vince-0> SUp
[15:58] <magespawn> Hey Vince-0 
[15:58] <Vince-0> watching Tears of Steel trailor
[15:59] <Vince-0> made using Blender
[16:00] <magespawn> Sounds cool
[16:06] <Kilos> hey magespawn 
[16:06] <Kilos> yo not_found 
[16:06] <not_found> Uncle Kilos , alo 
[16:07] <not_found> Question (one I have asked countless times)... What bot is Maaz again (I need to set up a bot for IRC meeting tomorrow night) and all I know is off supybot with a plugin?!!?
[16:08] <Kilos> ibid not_found 
[16:08] <not_found> thanks uncle Kilos ... will have a quick look. not much time to learn its ins and outs however :p
[16:08] <Kilos> the daily build works better if you can get it from tumbleweed 
[16:08] <Kilos> i lost link with all installs
[16:09] <Kilos> i will help you
[16:09] <Kilos> but not xchat sound on mate here
[16:09] <superfly> not_found: it's dea simple
[16:09] <Kilos> i forgot how i fixed it last time
[16:09] <superfly> Kilos: i think you need to give up on that
[16:09] <Kilos> lol
[16:10] <Kilos> and go unity
[16:10] <Kilos> ?
[16:10] <not_found> k superfly , will have a quick look and start crying on channel when it all goes pear shaped ;)
[16:10] <Kilos> or kde without sound
[16:10] <not_found> why KDE no sound:
[16:10] <not_found> ?
[16:10] <Kilos> sudo aptitude install ibid not_found 
[16:10] <not_found> Oh and there is a very cool qt based interface which name I can't remember now :/
[16:10] <Kilos> only in quassel and xchat
[16:11] <Kilos> same on mate and kde
[16:12] <Kilos> pidgin and everything else sound works
[16:12] <not_found> very odd
[16:12] <not_found> why do I always have to edit bash.bashrc for completion since 11.10?! grrr
[16:12] <Kilos> i think its unity trying to snag me to stay with it
[16:13] <not_found> well they going to have to do major work on Unity to make it faster because it is killing Ubuntu for gaming at the moment I heard
[16:13] <Kilos> have you installed ibid?
[16:14] <Kilos> then run ibid-setup
[16:14] <not_found> busy installioong
[16:15] <Kilos> lol
[16:16] <not_found> I don't know the answer :(
[16:16] <not_found> this is hard
[16:16] <Kilos> what answer?
[16:17] <magespawn> Hey Kilos 
[16:18] <not_found> What would you like to call your bot? 
[16:18] <Kilos> anything man
[16:18] <Kilos> Mine is QP magespawn s is GC
[16:19] <Tonberry> alice or bob
[16:19] <Kilos> ya
[16:19] <magespawn> Vince-0: just watched the trailer too, very cool
[16:19] <not_found> To some people sarcasm is merely a word starting with an S...
[16:19] <Kilos> hehe
[16:21] <not_found> ok all set up...
[16:21] <not_found> now to run and test it
[16:21] <Kilos> just type in ibid and enter
[16:21] <magespawn> http://mango.blender.org
[16:22] <not_found> wow... that is many many errors
[16:22] <not_found> but it is in channel 
[16:22] <magespawn> Here?
[16:22] <Kilos> ok now tell it auth nick
[16:22] <Kilos> youre nick 
[16:23] <magespawn> Which channel guys?
[16:23] <Kilos> there by him for a meeting magespawn 
[16:24] <Kilos> his locals
[16:24] <magespawn> Oh, okay
[16:24] <not_found> #ubuntu-ae
[16:24] <smile4> I'm young! :D
[16:25] <smile4> not_found: whats that :)
[16:25] <not_found> how do I auth if I am using another nick than the one I specified
[16:26] <smile4>  /ns identify yourregisterednick pass
[16:26] <Kilos> wont work
[16:26] <smile4> :)
[16:26] <smile4> it does, Kilos 
[16:26] <Kilos> ah
[16:27] <Kilos> i had to treat my cow with kid gloves
[16:27] <smile4> I use it as an auto-perform action :p
[16:27] <not_found> I am already identified as the right nick... the bot doesn't want to auth me howver
[16:28] <Kilos> then you gotta give the new nick permissions
[16:28] <not_found> that is silly :/
[16:28] <Kilos> it stops others messing with it
[16:28] <Kilos> apart from basics
[16:29] <nlsthzn> wonder if the other admin things are working when my nick not the same
[16:29] <Kilos> auth admin
[16:29] <Kilos> auth sysadmin
[16:29] <Kilos> auth everything
[16:29] <Kilos> hehe
[16:29]  * not_found needs a quick reference guide
[16:29] <magespawn> It controls the auth through nickserv, i think
[16:30] <not_found> didn't want to auth me until I changed my nick
[16:30] <Kilos> ya they cheeky
[16:30] <not_found> the meeting commands, built in or need another plugin?
[16:31] <Kilos> auth plugins
[16:31] <not_found> :/
[16:31] <Kilos> auth meetings
[16:31] <Kilos> inetpro, said you had to do something there
[16:31] <Kilos> dunno what
[16:32] <Kilos> whats you mail addy
[16:32] <Kilos> will send my list of commands etc
[16:32] <not_found> same as my normal irc nick + gmail dot com
[16:32] <Kilos> ai thats a kak nick without tab complete
[16:33] <not_found> lol...
[16:33] <not_found> no worries
[16:33] <not_found> using in built help system ... let the bot tell me
[16:34] <nlsthzn> grrr
[16:35] <nlsthzn> how can I make the bot female (lol, or I should change the name I guess) :p
[16:35] <Kilos> give it a female name
[16:35] <Kilos> mail gone
[16:36] <Kilos> twit
[16:36] <superfly> nlsthzn: you have to find all the places that the bot refers to itself and change them
[16:37] <superfly> I don't know if recent versions of ibid have an option for that
[16:37] <Kilos> i delete ibid.db and ini and start again
[16:40] <nlsthzn> :)
[16:40] <Kilos> hehe
[16:40] <nlsthzn> I gave it a female name, that is the problem :p
[16:40] <Kilos> windows logic
[16:40] <nlsthzn> he doesn't know he is female
[16:40] <nlsthzn> :p
[16:40] <Kilos> format and reinstall
[16:41] <Kilos> whats his name?
[16:41] <nlsthzn> lulu
[16:41] <Kilos> lol
[16:41] <nlsthzn> it is a name u see a lot in the UAE for some reason
[16:42] <nlsthzn> Should have gone with Sir Bani Yas :/
[16:42] <nlsthzn> well the meeting stuff worked great!!
[16:42] <nlsthzn> awesome bot
[16:42] <nlsthzn> now to delete and re-configure :D
[16:42] <Kilos> all the noies are there
[16:42] <Kilos> nosies
[16:43] <nlsthzn> I asked for some peeps to stay there to assist me in growing the channel uncle Kilos 
[16:43] <Kilos> ah
[16:44] <nlsthzn> oh and good news... we have gained ownership of the launchpad account for the UAE loco so it is full steam ahead again :)
[16:44] <Kilos> yay well done
[16:45] <nlsthzn> pity the one Uni here brushed us off when we wanted to have an installfest there :'(
[16:45] <nlsthzn> got me so annoyed I even blogged about it (and I never blog more than two posts in a blog, ever)
[16:46] <nlsthzn> how do I quit the bot gracefully or do I just kill the terminal?
[16:47] <Kilos> die
[16:48] <nlsthzn> ?
[16:52] <superfly> nlsthzn: you can try sending it a kill signal, or just kill the terminal
[16:52] <smile> Kilos: what can you do? 
[16:52] <smile> :p
[16:53] <nlsthzn> thanks superfly ... gave it the kill command and she commited
[17:00] <Kilos> i gotta go eat
[17:00] <Kilos> be good
[17:01] <nlsthzn> cheers
[17:19] <Kilos> looks good to see so many nicks here again for a change
[17:19] <Kilos> yo nuvolari het jy krag vanaand
[17:22] <nuvolari> aloha
[17:22] <nuvolari> hi oom Kilos 
[17:22] <nuvolari> net net
[17:22] <nuvolari> ons het nie werk by die krag gehad nie
[17:22] <nuvolari> er
[17:22] <nuvolari> ons het nie krag by die werk gehad nie
[17:22] <nlsthzn> lol
[17:22] <Kilos> lol
[17:22] <magespawn> Ha
[17:23] <nuvolari> gelukkig is hier krag, want ander mense van die werk het nie
[17:23] <nuvolari> Kilos: hoekom vra oom?
[17:23] <Kilos> ai
[17:23] <magespawn> I am out of here for now, good night all
[17:24] <Kilos> mag ek nie?
[17:24] <Kilos> night magespawn 
[17:24] <nuvolari> nee ek't net gedink oom het oë in hoë plekke wat spy
[17:24] <nuvolari> :P
[17:25] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[17:25] <nuvolari> dat oom dalk geweet het hier is nie krag nie
[17:25] <nuvolari> o, oom het dit seker na gisteraand afgelei :P
[17:25] <Kilos> ja
[17:25] <nuvolari> ek't al vergeet dit was af
[17:25] <Kilos> nou en dan dink ek ook
[17:26] <nuvolari> lol
[17:26] <nuvolari> ek is bly iemand doen dit meer as ek!
[17:26] <nuvolari> :P
[17:27] <nuvolari> ek oop nie queery het off-list flames gehad nie :-/
[17:27] <Kilos> o ja maia het klaar dvds bestel
[17:27] <nuvolari> niemand het sleg bedoel nie
[17:27] <Cantide> someone from Humansdorp phoned me today - she asked if we could speak in Afrikaans; I had to refuse :(
[17:27] <nuvolari> Cantide: did she sound hot?
[17:27] <Kilos> aw shame Cantide 
[17:28]  * nuvolari should make his number available for such cases :P
[17:28] <Kilos> dont go by sound
[17:28] <nuvolari> true
[17:28] <Cantide> nuvolari, hahahaha
[17:28] <nuvolari> sounds can be deceiving
[17:28] <Cantide> too true
[17:28] <Kilos> some sound wonderful till you get to know them
[17:28] <Cantide> the call was recorded anyway
[17:28] <Cantide> so there was no hitting on anyone :p
[17:29] <nuvolari> lol
[17:29] <Cantide> also, she was probably twice my age
[17:29] <Kilos> Cantide, dont you understand afrikaans
[17:29] <Cantide> i can understand some simple dialogue, that's all :'(
[17:29] <Cantide> and i can't speak it :'(
[17:29] <nuvolari> ons kan van hom skinder oom Kilos :P
[17:29] <Cantide> the result of living in Durban and only using English
[17:29] <Kilos> you grew up where?
[17:30] <Kilos> not_found, you can get to be boss of ibid with this nick too
[17:30] <Kilos> the grant option
[17:34] <not_found> ah ok... changed the ownership name in any case and changed the bots name
[17:34] <Kilos> i see
[17:34] <nuvolari> halp
[17:34] <Kilos> wow what a mouthfull
[17:34] <nuvolari> how do I connect to my boinc instance?
[17:34] <Kilos> wat nou nuvolari 
[17:35] <nuvolari> it's running, but the manager won't connect
[17:36] <Cantide> Kilos, Durban ^^
[17:36] <Kilos> thats no excuse Cantide 
[17:37] <Kilos> ian grew up there too
[17:37] <Cantide> it's a great excuse :)
[17:37] <Kilos> and cocooncrash
[17:37] <Kilos> haha
[17:37] <Cantide> well, ironically there is an Afrikaans high school next to my house
[17:38] <Kilos> there are some cute afrikaans chicks
[17:38] <Cantide> oh yeah!!
[17:38] <Kilos> aqnd they know how to cook
[17:38] <Cantide> i work with one haha
[17:38] <Cantide> but yeah, all communication in Durban seems to be mostly in English
[17:38] <Cantide> business, shopping, the schools i went to
[17:39] <Kilos> yeah it is
[17:39] <Cantide> Zulu is creeping in
[17:39] <Cantide> so i haven't really had to use Afrikaans ever :-S
[17:39] <Kilos> IT language is all english i think
[17:39] <Kilos> dunno what language sudo is
[17:40] <Kilos> Maaz, define sudo
[17:40] <Maaz> Kilos: I don't know about sudo. Maybe you meant Scudo, judo, Sudd, Suds, sudor, ludo, sumo, suds or udo?
[17:40] <not_found> is that south sudo?
[17:41] <Kilos> no man sudo as in sudo aptitude
[17:42] <Kilos> drussell, you here?
[17:42] <Cantide> hahaha
[17:42] <Cantide> how can Maaz not know sudo?
[17:43] <Cantide> '-'
[17:43] <Cantide> and where I'm going, Afrikaans will be totally unheard of :< but it would be ideal for impressing friends :)
[17:43] <Kilos> lol
[17:44]  * nuvolari awaits upgrade before restarting
[17:44] <Cantide> nuvolari, what are you up to?
[17:44] <nuvolari> Cantide: need a reoot to see if I can get my boinc manager back 
[17:45] <nuvolari> *reboot
[17:45] <nuvolari> but I didn't upgrade for a while
[17:45] <nuvolari> so that has to finish now 
[17:47] <Kilos> oh nuvolari i tried firestarter first but also didnt work
[17:47] <Kilos> cable connection without router
[17:47] <nuvolari> Kilos: what are you trying to do? I didn't get the entire picture yesterday, I just saw iptables and mentioned firestarter :P
[17:48] <Kilos> share 3g
[17:48] <Kilos> over ethernet
[17:48] <nuvolari> hmm, did you tell firestarter to do dhcp?
[17:48] <Kilos> tried gadmin and samba and arno and 4000 commands
[17:49] <Kilos> nope
[17:49] <Cantide> lol
[17:49] <Cantide> nuvolari, i don't know what boinc is :'(
[17:49] <nuvolari> also, you should make sure the internet connected device is ppp0, and eth0 is for sharing the internet
[17:50] <Kilos> anyway purged lotsa stuf still have arno not conf properly and lotsa iptables stuff but its working
[17:50] <Kilos> so i leave well enough alone now
[17:50] <nuvolari> Cantide: it's a client that allows you to run projects that participate in distributed computing 
[17:50] <nuvolari> Kilos: ah, yeah, if it's working, leave it :P
[17:50] <Kilos> lol
[17:51] <nuvolari> firestarter worked the first time, every time, for me
[17:51] <Kilos> without router
[17:51] <nuvolari> yeah
[17:51] <Kilos> direct cable
[17:52] <nuvolari> when I didn't have a wireless router, I used it too
[17:52] <Kilos> see how you made me suffer by staying off here
[17:52] <nuvolari> laptop to netbook with 1 cable
[17:52] <Kilos> jy skuld my drie weke se sweet
[17:52] <Cantide> nuvolari, cool :)
[17:52] <nuvolari> heh, sorry oom Kilos 
[17:52] <Kilos> hehe
[17:53] <nuvolari> nice! first time I see this
[17:53] <nuvolari> awesomewm marks a tile red when it notifies the user
[17:54] <nuvolari> oh dear :-/ flash upgrade
[17:54] <nuvolari> hope it doesn't break
[17:54] <not_found> bbl
[17:55] <nuvolari> ya, it's toast :-/
[17:58] <Cantide> :-S
[18:06] <smile> brb
[18:09] <Kilos> night guys. sleep tight
[18:09] <smileE17> hoi :p
[18:12] <charlvn> hi smileE17 
[18:12] <smileE17> hi charlvn :) have you slept well ;)
[18:12] <charlvn> yes! it's nice weather
[18:12] <charlvn> so i am sleeping and can't get up in the morning :)
[18:13] <charlvn> brb
[18:15] <smileE17> charlvn: why is that? :P
[18:15] <smileE17> you don't like work? :p or studying
[18:16] <charlvn> no i like work but the bed is just so nice in the morning :P
[18:16] <smileE17> at the evening it is, too :p
[18:17] <charlvn> for some reason i don't like going to bed early, but i think it's because i have trouble getting off the internets :D
[18:21] <nuvolari> good, upgrade went fine
[18:30] <smileE17> bye :)
[18:31] <nuvolari> success!
[18:31] <nuvolari> boinc is running
[18:31] <nuvolari> cheers smileE17 
[18:31] <smileE17> good night, nuvolari 
[18:50] <charlvn> :D
[18:50] <charlvn> nn all
[20:28] <DigiGram> Maaz: coffee on
[20:28]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[20:29] <DigiGram> wow, somebody listens to me :)
[20:32] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for DigiGram!
[20:33] <inetpro> DigiGram: enjoy it!
[20:33] <DigiGram> thanx Maaz 
[20:33] <DigiGram> hehe inetpro 
[20:34] <DigiGram> I wanted to do a late night MCU programming sprint, but I need to update my java first, and that won't happen on this EDGE connection of mine
[20:34] <Tonberry> mcu programming in java?
[20:37] <DigiGram> I use energia, a port from Arduino IDE to the TI Launchpad MSP430. And that uses java
[20:37] <Tonberry> ah
[20:37] <inetpro> sounds interesting
[20:37] <DigiGram> I'm to new at mcu's to try my hand at c (which I also do not know lol)
[20:38] <DigiGram> so now I sit and take apart an old CDRom for parts
[20:38] <inetpro> yikes
[20:38] <Kerbero> i am sure there should be beter ide's fot the msp430
[20:39] <DigiGram> want to test the laser for a trip beam
[20:39] <Tonberry> after the laser?
[20:39] <Tonberry> ah
[20:39] <DigiGram> I feel an infra red laser would be good for a beam
[20:39] <DigiGram> there is some good Windows IDE's yeah
[20:39] <DigiGram> but i'm quite happy with Energia, this is the first problem I ran into
[20:40] <inetpro> DigiGram: have fun!
[20:40]  * inetpro falling asleep
[20:40] <inetpro> good night
[20:40] <Tonberry> i would be tempted to just try a infra red led
[20:40] <Kerbero> yeah
[20:41] <DigiGram> night inetpro 
[20:41] <DigiGram> the LED do not have a good range when your receiver is a cheap LDR
[20:41] <Tonberry> another ir led as receiver?
[20:42] <Kerbero> how do you want to use an ldr for that? it is going to pick upo other light too
[20:43] <Tonberry> a ldr is not really the optimal detector for any light source
[20:43] <DigiGram> yes Kerbero it will pick up other light, but if you set the sensitivity quite high, it recognises the laser beam from subdued sunlight
[20:43] <DigiGram> yes I know it's a crappy detector, but it works for me (and my budget)
[20:44] <Kerbero> no, sorry, you are wasting your budget
[20:44] <Kerbero> just use two ir led's as Tonberry just said
[20:44] <DigiGram> well it works
[20:44] <DigiGram> I've set it up previously in a sunny environment as well as indoors
[20:45] <Kerbero> i am impressed that you got it working though
[20:46] <DigiGram> my multimeter is still packed in after the move, as soon as I find it, I'll try the two IR LED's
[20:47] <DigiGram> still have some spares after my WII project
[20:48] <DigiGram> I've used LDR's a lot from school days, so maybe I'm just lucky
[20:48] <DigiGram> oh, I must add, the two laser beams I have previously set up was with a red laser, not IR