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Unit193Chairman_meow: Check out the "ubuntustudio-recording - Ubuntu Studio Audio Recording Package" metapackage.00:14
Chairman_meowUnit193, thank you00:15
umahi03:57
umais there anybody who could help me with a simple question?03:57
umai'm a new user... and i'm havind trouble trying to install something03:57
umai've downloaded some java app03:58
umabut when i go to write the command to install it03:58
umait asks me for my password03:58
umai do know it03:58
umabut it doesnt alow me to write it!03:58
holsteinuma: the password?03:59
umayes, it asks me for a pass word03:59
holsteinuma: how does it fail?.. you wont see "feedback" typically03:59
holsteinsometimes you get little "."'s but usually you just type the password04:00
umaso... i first went to the ubuntu software centre04:00
umai've downloaded the java app,04:00
holsteinuma: for what?... "some java app"?04:00
umai wanted to watch a movie04:00
umaand the page said i had to download java04:01
holsteinplausible04:01
holstein!java04:01
ubottuTo just use java you need a "Java Runtime Environment" (JRE) and/or a browser plugin. If that is not sufficient you will need a "Java Development Kit" (JDK) aka "Software  Development Kit" (SDK).  Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java about how to install one of three current implementations.04:01
umaand i downloaded this; Ejecutable OpenJDK Java 704:01
umabut it doesnt install automatically, right?04:01
holsteinuma: you will install java from a package manager04:02
umabut i don't know where to go, in order to do it04:02
holsteinuma: you dont need to download it from java like you do in windows04:02
umathese are my first days with ubuntu =/04:02
holsteinuma: you can check the link above04:02
umaok, i'll reed it04:03
uma=)04:03
holsteinalso, maybe just relax and take your time04:03
umathx!04:03
holsteinthink about how long you probably used windows before you installed java04:03
holsteinim not saying you cant install java... im just saying, there are ways to install software, and you might want to start with something simple04:04
holsteinyou can also try an official ubuntu support channel if its dead in here and you need help.. maybe #ubuntu04:04
umayes... step by step. but one day I had to begin to learn04:04
holsteinits typically as easy as opening a package manger and searching and installing04:05
umaok, I don't want to make stupid questions. sorry =(04:05
holsteinuma: nah.. there are no stupid questions and you are more than welcome here anytime04:05
umayes, I thought so... but don't know exactly where to find things here... yet04:05
uma=D04:05
Rowen_StipeHi, if anyone is here, I just have a quick question. I'm planning on switching over to Ubuntustudio because I have quite a few projects I want to start doing and it seems like the best start point, but I was wondering what Desktop Environment it uses, Unity, Gnome 2, Gnome 3, KDE, etc.04:57
holstein!xfce04:59
ubottuXubuntu is Ubuntu with Xfce instead of !GNOME. More info at http://www.xubuntu.org and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/ - To install from Ubuntu: « sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop » - Join #xubuntu for support - See also: !Ubuntu and !Xubuntu-Channels04:59
holsteinRowen_Stipe: you can use whichever you like... ubuntustudio *is* ubuntu, just customized05:00
holsteinwe all use the same repos and have access to the same pacakges05:00
holsteinyou can use the ubuntustudio packages with any ubuntu version easily05:00
holsteinyou can also just install the one you want, and add just the audio/video/graphics apps you want05:00
holsteinubuntustudio and most of the others have live cd's so feel free and download and give them a try for yourself05:01
Rowen_StipeMeh, Just asking cause I'm lazy and wanted to know what I'll have to deal with while I install the MATE de.05:01
holsteinnothing here will prevent you from using mate, though i would just try XFCE05:02
holsteinwe chose it because its the most gnome2 like in work flow we feel05:02
Rowen_StipeWell, I'm the graphics dev for the MATE project so that's one of the main reasons I use it.05:02
holsteinshould be fine... i always found something just not right or the same in mate for my needs05:04
holsteini figured if i was going to get used to a new DE, i might as well just go ahead and move on05:04
holsteini just use a customized openbox situation now05:04
Rowen_StipeAh05:04
holsteinRowen_Stipe: you can always just use whatever you are using with mate, which is likely ubuntu based and add what you want05:05
Rowen_StipeAye, I know that much.05:05
holsteinRowen_Stipe: are packages are just the normal batch of packages really.. its the implemenation that is all in one place that is the allure or whatever05:05
holsteinour packages are**05:05
Rowen_StipeAye, well as I said I do graphics work for MATE, but I'm also getting into some audio and video editing. And my current distro, OpenSUSE, while nice doesn't have all the settings that Ubuntu gave me.05:07
Rowen_StipeThat, or they are not very apperent05:07
holsteinAFAIK, mate is just available in mint by default.. .nothing in ubuntustudio will prevent you from runnning mate, but i dont see why you would choose it over mint, since mint would have mate and the ubuntu backend graphics stuff you would be seeking here05:08
holsteinRowen_Stipe: our metapackages are even available in mint last time i checked05:09
Rowen_StipeI'm a complicated man, and actually mint runs their own version of MATE, they don't keep their repos up todate with the latest version of MATE that is out right now. Unless I'm wrong the use 1.2 version of MATE where as the offical repos of MATE have 1.4.105:10
Rowen_Stipethey use*05:10
holsteinall im saying is, mate is not in the ubuntu repos... there is no official mate-buntu05:10
holsteinthere is an official mate mint version05:10
holsteincan you add mate to ubuntustudio? sure.. no problem05:11
Rowen_StipeAlright, also, I had been toying with the idea of a matebuntu distro a while back.05:12
Rowen_StipeToo lazy to try and impliment it.05:12
holsteinsure... folks might be into that05:12
Rowen_StipeThere have been some attempts to make such a distro, but quite frankly, they just look apalling at first glance and that basically turns a lot of people off of it.05:13
holsteinwell, for me, i was missing gnome205:17
holsteini loaded mate, and it looked similar, but it wasnt gnome2..05:17
holsteinnow, i dont miss gnome2 anymore, so i dont need a gnome2 replacement05:17
Rowen_StipeYea.05:17
holsteinmabye a few years back i would have hopped right on a good gnome2 replacement05:18
holsteinwith the gtk2 gtk3 issues, i think its been challenging to implement that, as im sure you know05:18
holsteinmy stance in the support channels is like this.. ubuntu is doing what it always has done, which is provide the latest gnome desktop packages05:19
Rowen_StipeI understand that.05:19
timbo_Does anyone have experience with the PreSonus AudioBox 22VSL? I'm having trouble getting it to work :/05:48
kaibrossiHi, has anybody experience using a RME FireFace 800 with Ubuntu Studio 12.04?09:06
ailo-wkaibrossi: Are you having problems?09:17
kaibrossiYes, it seems to be running but I don't see the connections in qjackctl. Is this the right place to post it?09:19
ailo-wkaibrossi: #ffado is a great resource for firewire related problems. Also, you can try #jack and #opensourcemusicians09:19
kaibrossiThanks for your input. I have already posted my problem there. I thought maybe somebody solved the problem here.09:22
smartboyhw:)09:22
deltahello, double click on the main calendar on the panel should show event list. when i clicked it, calendar opened and closed in a flash. just thinking whether it's a bug with Orage that should be reported. Any suggestion?10:01
smartboyhwdelta, er which version?10:05
ailokaibrossi2: You can start jack, but nothing shows at all in "Connect"?10:18
ailokaibrossi2: Just to eliminate one possibility - did you choose the "firewire" driver instead of "alsa"10:19
kaibrossiYes, i did! I posted here my Log files: http://bros.titanpad.com/35 for Jack and http://bros.titanpad.com/36 for Diag10:21
kaibrossiffado-dbus-server: http://bros.titanpad.com/3710:25
deltasmartboyhw, english version. latest build10:26
smartboyhwdelta, so 12.10?10:27
deltayes.10:31
smartboyhwdelta, uh I don't get that bug I think10:32
deltai'm running it on virtualbox10:32
smartboyhwdelta, I am running it on real hardware10:33
deltasmartboyhw, so you can see the event list and events listed for the uration you want?10:34
deltaalso, it so happens only for a double click. single click properly opens orage.10:37
smartboyhwdelta, ah now I see what you mean10:38
smartboyhwdelta, then report a bug against Orage then10:38
deltaalso, i'm experiencing another problem. I installed VLC media player and opened a video from DVD. Even after closing the VLC, the icon appears on the panel. I opened two videos and hence there are two icons on panel now. no amount of closing or quitting can remove them.10:40
deltawill post a screenshot shortly.10:40
deltasmartboyhw, http://imagebin.org/23214410:43
smartboyhwdelta, hmmm.....10:44
deltasmartboyhw, which package? this isn't the first time i've seen this with VLC.10:45
smartboyhwdelta, you mean which package is VLC?10:46
deltano, against which package should i file the bug?10:46
smartboyhwdelta, I think against VLC10:47
deltasmartboyhw, well, that's an external software which i installed..10:48
smartboyhwdelta, er........10:48
* smartboyhw does not know then10:48
deltaif you suggest, maybe i'l l do just that :)10:48
deltaor i'll file against xorg10:49
ailokaibrossi2: If you can get jack to start, but there are not audio connections for your interface, I would take this up with ffado, for sure. Try their mail list.11:02
ailoIt's not a config problem anyway11:03
kaibrossi2ailo: Are you shure? Do you know the e-mail list?11:04
ailokaibrossi2: You'll find the mail list somewhere at their homepage, I think11:15
kaibrossi2ailo: Thanks for your help. I found it! ;)11:15
deltasmartboyhw, i experinced an error with JACK. Prompt says, D-BUS: JACK server could not be started.11:33
smartboyhwdelta, oh god..............11:34
smartboyhwailo-w, help delta please:D11:34
ailo-wdelta: Could be jack is already running11:35
ailo-wdelta: Close all your applications using audio (including any browser), and kill any jack processes left alive11:35
ailo-wYou can kill jackdbus from the terminal: killall -9 jackdbus11:36
deltanopes. it happened the very first time i opened QjackCTL11:36
deltaokay11:36
ailo-wdelta: have you used qjackctl before?11:37
ailo-wdelta: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/ProAudioIntro/1204#Starting_Jack11:37
ailo-wdelta: Also, if you start some applications that autostart jack, you might have jackd running11:38
ailo-wjackd == jackdbus, but without the dbus11:38
deltaailo-w: no. when i opened it, I expected to start in real time mode. by default it was stopped11:38
deltaokay11:38
ailo-wdelta: are you on Ubuntu Studio?11:38
smartboyhwailo-w, he/she is on Ubuntu Studio 12.10 daily build I think11:39
ailo-wOk11:39
deltaailo-w, yes11:39
ailo-wdelta: Did you follow the same procedure as in the link I provided?11:40
deltaailo-w: going thru the link..11:41
ailo-wdelta: You only need the part about jack, which if you click on the link is where you end up11:42
deltaailo-w: is it okay if i use the driver alsa?11:48
ailo-wdelta: If you're audio card is either PCI or USB, then yes11:49
deltaailo-w: otherwise it should be always be firewire?11:50
ailo-wIf your device is a firewire device, then yes, "firewire"11:50
ailo-wdelta: How is it coming along?11:56
deltai'm still having some trouble.11:57
ailo-wdelta: Sometimes PA can give you trouble too, so if I were you, I'd either logout and start a new session, or make sure to kill all instances of jack and pulseaudio (will respawn)11:57
deltamaybe because i'm running it on virtualbox11:57
ailo-wdelta: Er, ok11:57
ailo-wdelta: You can't get any kind of good performance on Virtualbox. For testing purposes, you should try increase frames/buffer to maximum11:58
deltaailo-w: I'll do that. do you mind if I trouble you at a later instance?11:58
deltaailo-w: oh, ok :(11:58
ailo-wdelta: frames/period, sorry11:58
deltaailo-w: like 2048?11:59
ailo-wdelta: I didn't know you were on VB, but on VB, there is no actual HW device. Just the VB one, which I believe is some kind of generic PCI kind of thing11:59
ailo-wdelta: I'd even go to max, just to be sure12:00
ailo-w409612:00
deltaailo-w: done. I'll try that.12:00
deltaailo-w: maybe it's time i give up :(12:25
deltahttp://imagebin.org/23215012:25
deltai couldn't start it..12:25
ailo-wdelta: Try this in a terminal: jackd -d alsa12:26
deltaailo-w: okay.12:26
ailo-wOr rather, jackd -d alsa -p 409612:27
ailo-wdelta: Also, each time jack won't start with qjackctl, there's a chance jackdbus is left running12:27
ailo-wSo, always kill it before trying again12:27
deltaailo-w: do you mind looking at two more images?12:30
deltahttp://imagebin.org/23215212:30
deltathat with terminal log12:30
deltahttp://imagebin.org/23215312:31
delta* start JACK audio server on application startup12:31
ailo-wdelta: Been a while since I tried jack on VB, so I can't really say much about the error message there12:32
deltaailo-w: thank you anyways for your help and time :)12:33
FloatingGoatholstein: hey16:33
FloatingGoatwant to hear the first song i made with qtractor16:33
holsteinsure... you should link it in osmp room16:43
FloatingGoatI already did17:06
FloatingGoatholstein: http://ubuntuone.com/0TluXVpzAy070FirZ2UVaG17:06
holsteinFloatingGoat: very nice17:11
FloatingGoatthanks17:12
FloatingGoatwork in progress i guess17:12
FloatingGoatprobably going to scrap it though17:12
FloatingGoattoo slow17:12
holsteini didnt think it was too slow... but its your music17:13
FloatingGoathow did you like the fake ass cello17:14
FloatingGoatwas it insulting?17:14
holsteindidnt even notice.. i just took it as a synth pad17:15
FloatingGoathaha17:16
FloatingGoatholstein: thanks for tha listen though17:33
len-dtFloatingGoat, sounds ok. I think the reason it sounds slow to you is the beat you chose. (I think  :)19:22
FloatingGoatbeat?19:23
FloatingGoatdrum?19:23
len-dtDrums19:23
holsteinnothing wrong with slow19:23
len-dtNo not at all.19:23
len-dtNot what I was trying to say actually. I think a different beat might make the speed it is sound better.19:24
len-dtFloatingGoat, the real question I have is how does qtractor compair to LMMS?19:25
FloatingGoathmm19:26
FloatingGoatits harder to copy midi sequences19:26
FloatingGoatand make them19:26
FloatingGoatbut way easier to edit raw audio19:26
len-dtI could see that.19:26
FloatingGoatqtractor has way better MIDI export too19:27
len-dtSo it depends on what portion of the music is midi and what is audio.19:27
FloatingGoatlmms's midi output seems to be very buggy and missess notes19:27
holsteindoes lmms capture audio?19:27
len-dtNo19:27
FloatingGoatno19:27
FloatingGoatbut19:27
holsteinthats a deal breaker19:28
FloatingGoatyou can add raw audio19:28
len-dtFrom the home page they expect you to import it like a sample19:28
holsteinwhat about rosegarden?19:28
len-dtRG is quite a large DL19:28
holsteinit captures audio, and is arguably more midi-centric, dont you think?19:28
FloatingGoati wonder if it has support for windows VST plugins19:29
holsteinFloatingGoat: it'll use whatever the system uses.. or at least have the abiltiy to19:29
len-dtThe thing with winVST is that it works in layers.19:29
len-dtThe app talks to the VST plugin through a LV/dssi layer through a win layer then finally the VST.19:30
FloatingGoatlen-dt: with rosegarden?19:31
len-dtWith just about anything.19:31
FloatingGoatwinVST?19:32
len-dtAs oposed to linux VST19:33
drupinwhere i find the lessions holstein to make music on UStudio19:39
holsteindrupin: lessons?19:55
drupinyes holstein19:55
holsteini would just search youtube for vids, or poke around for how-to's19:55
holsteinthere are so many options and so many packages...19:56
holsteinthere are nice sooperlooper tutorials.. and all kinds of stuff on ardour19:56
holsteinyou need to sort out how to use/start JACK.. and that will depend on your hardware19:56
holsteinif you want me to link you an all-encompassing "how to make musice in ubuntustudio" page... there is no single resource for that19:57
holsteinthe options are too many.. and there are so many different packages and workflows19:57
len-dtAnd different kinds of music19:58
holsteinare you doing midi only? audio only? live effects? are you doing graphics?... and there are many options for doing these tasks19:58
holsteinthats what FloatingGoat has been experimenting with19:58
holsteina DAW that does mostly midi, with audio as well19:58
holsteinardour3 will likely be the answer to that soon when it releases19:58
holsteinbut FloatingGoat has tried LMMS and qtractor and might try rosegarden19:59
holsteindo these all do the same thing?19:59
holsteinno19:59
holsteinwhy do we have so many options? because we can.. and they are all specific tools for specific purposes19:59
holsteinhttp://www.renoise.com/ is a commercial DAW thats not a bad "all in one'20:00
drupinok will look ytube20:07
MaynardWatersdamn it holstein we need that page!20:47
MaynardWaterssry, i was way behind, and reading the "all encompassing how to make music in ubuntustudio comment" my bad20:48
holsteinMaynardWaters: i have a draft somewhere here.. its been uploading for a few weeks though ;)20:48
MaynardWatersall of the holstein knowledge ever.... thats at least a few terabites right?20:49
holsteinhehe20:49
holsteini have that on an old floppy here....20:50
MaynardWatersforgive me if this is impolite, but where are you located again? in the states?20:50
MaynardWatersmax lolz20:50
holsteinMaynardWaters: asheville north carolina20:50
MaynardWatersno f-ing way!20:50
MaynardWatersi just moved from raleigh up to detroit20:50
MaynardWatersdamn.20:50
holsteinnice... im at the flatrock this month if you make it over20:50
holsteinyou wont see me, im up in the pit20:51
MaynardWatersif i would have known you were that close I would have told you to come check out the recording studio that my housemate and i had built off of Ubuntustudio20:51
holsteinyou dont come back down this way ever?20:51
MaynardWaterswe were still using 11.04 tho, so a little behind the curve, mostly for stabilities sake20:52
MaynardWaterswell its going to be a rare thing now-a-days20:52
holsteinMaynardWaters: im on 10.04 on my studio rig20:52
MaynardWaterspicked up a new job working for a acoustical engineering software company, in belgium right now finishing up some trainging then heading to kansas city for a congference20:52
MaynardWaterssolid20:52
holsteinnie20:52
holsteinnice*20:53
MaynardWatersalright well its bed time for me over across the pond, catch up with you more later20:53
holsteingn!20:53
FloatingGoattil I can sell you lies, you cant get enough, make a true beleiver of... anyone anyone anyone.23:06
FloatingGoatI wish i could make music like the xx23:08

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