[00:14] <Unit193> Chairman_meow: Check out the "ubuntustudio-recording - Ubuntu Studio Audio Recording Package" metapackage.
[00:15] <Chairman_meow> Unit193, thank you
[03:57] <uma> hi
[03:57] <uma> is there anybody who could help me with a simple question?
[03:57] <uma> i'm a new user... and i'm havind trouble trying to install something
[03:58] <uma> i've downloaded some java app
[03:58] <uma> but when i go to write the command to install it
[03:58] <uma> it asks me for my password
[03:58] <uma> i do know it
[03:58] <uma> but it doesnt alow me to write it!
[03:59] <holstein> uma: the password?
[03:59] <uma> yes, it asks me for a pass word
[03:59] <holstein> uma: how does it fail?.. you wont see "feedback" typically
[04:00] <holstein> sometimes you get little "."'s but usually you just type the password
[04:00] <uma> so... i first went to the ubuntu software centre
[04:00] <uma> i've downloaded the java app,
[04:00] <holstein> uma: for what?... "some java app"?
[04:00] <uma> i wanted to watch a movie
[04:01] <uma> and the page said i had to download java
[04:01] <holstein> plausible
[04:01] <holstein> !java
[04:01] <uma> and i downloaded this; Ejecutable OpenJDK Java 7
[04:01] <uma> but it doesnt install automatically, right?
[04:02] <holstein> uma: you will install java from a package manager
[04:02] <uma> but i don't know where to go, in order to do it
[04:02] <holstein> uma: you dont need to download it from java like you do in windows
[04:02] <uma> these are my first days with ubuntu =/
[04:02] <holstein> uma: you can check the link above
[04:03] <uma> ok, i'll reed it
[04:03] <uma> =)
[04:03] <holstein> also, maybe just relax and take your time
[04:03] <uma> thx!
[04:03] <holstein> think about how long you probably used windows before you installed java
[04:04] <holstein> im not saying you cant install java... im just saying, there are ways to install software, and you might want to start with something simple
[04:04] <holstein> you can also try an official ubuntu support channel if its dead in here and you need help.. maybe #ubuntu
[04:04] <uma> yes... step by step. but one day I had to begin to learn
[04:05] <holstein> its typically as easy as opening a package manger and searching and installing
[04:05] <uma> ok, I don't want to make stupid questions. sorry =(
[04:05] <holstein> uma: nah.. there are no stupid questions and you are more than welcome here anytime
[04:05] <uma> yes, I thought so... but don't know exactly where to find things here... yet
[04:05] <uma> =D
[04:57] <Rowen_Stipe> Hi, if anyone is here, I just have a quick question. I'm planning on switching over to Ubuntustudio because I have quite a few projects I want to start doing and it seems like the best start point, but I was wondering what Desktop Environment it uses, Unity, Gnome 2, Gnome 3, KDE, etc.
[04:59] <holstein> !xfce
[05:00] <holstein> Rowen_Stipe: you can use whichever you like... ubuntustudio *is* ubuntu, just customized
[05:00] <holstein> we all use the same repos and have access to the same pacakges
[05:00] <holstein> you can use the ubuntustudio packages with any ubuntu version easily
[05:00] <holstein> you can also just install the one you want, and add just the audio/video/graphics apps you want
[05:01] <holstein> ubuntustudio and most of the others have live cd's so feel free and download and give them a try for yourself
[05:01] <Rowen_Stipe> Meh, Just asking cause I'm lazy and wanted to know what I'll have to deal with while I install the MATE de.
[05:02] <holstein> nothing here will prevent you from using mate, though i would just try XFCE
[05:02] <holstein> we chose it because its the most gnome2 like in work flow we feel
[05:02] <Rowen_Stipe> Well, I'm the graphics dev for the MATE project so that's one of the main reasons I use it.
[05:04] <holstein> should be fine... i always found something just not right or the same in mate for my needs
[05:04] <holstein> i figured if i was going to get used to a new DE, i might as well just go ahead and move on
[05:04] <holstein> i just use a customized openbox situation now
[05:04] <Rowen_Stipe> Ah
[05:05] <holstein> Rowen_Stipe: you can always just use whatever you are using with mate, which is likely ubuntu based and add what you want
[05:05] <Rowen_Stipe> Aye, I know that much.
[05:05] <holstein> Rowen_Stipe: are packages are just the normal batch of packages really.. its the implemenation that is all in one place that is the allure or whatever
[05:05] <holstein> our packages are**
[05:07] <Rowen_Stipe> Aye, well as I said I do graphics work for MATE, but I'm also getting into some audio and video editing. And my current distro, OpenSUSE, while nice doesn't have all the settings that Ubuntu gave me.
[05:07] <Rowen_Stipe> That, or they are not very apperent
[05:08] <holstein> AFAIK, mate is just available in mint by default.. .nothing in ubuntustudio will prevent you from runnning mate, but i dont see why you would choose it over mint, since mint would have mate and the ubuntu backend graphics stuff you would be seeking here
[05:09] <holstein> Rowen_Stipe: our metapackages are even available in mint last time i checked
[05:10] <Rowen_Stipe> I'm a complicated man, and actually mint runs their own version of MATE, they don't keep their repos up todate with the latest version of MATE that is out right now. Unless I'm wrong the use 1.2 version of MATE where as the offical repos of MATE have 1.4.1
[05:10] <Rowen_Stipe> they use*
[05:10] <holstein> all im saying is, mate is not in the ubuntu repos... there is no official mate-buntu
[05:10] <holstein> there is an official mate mint version
[05:11] <holstein> can you add mate to ubuntustudio? sure.. no problem
[05:12] <Rowen_Stipe> Alright, also, I had been toying with the idea of a matebuntu distro a while back.
[05:12] <Rowen_Stipe> Too lazy to try and impliment it.
[05:12] <holstein> sure... folks might be into that
[05:13] <Rowen_Stipe> There have been some attempts to make such a distro, but quite frankly, they just look apalling at first glance and that basically turns a lot of people off of it.
[05:17] <holstein> well, for me, i was missing gnome2
[05:17] <holstein> i loaded mate, and it looked similar, but it wasnt gnome2..
[05:17] <holstein> now, i dont miss gnome2 anymore, so i dont need a gnome2 replacement
[05:17] <Rowen_Stipe> Yea.
[05:18] <holstein> mabye a few years back i would have hopped right on a good gnome2 replacement
[05:18] <holstein> with the gtk2 gtk3 issues, i think its been challenging to implement that, as im sure you know
[05:19] <holstein> my stance in the support channels is like this.. ubuntu is doing what it always has done, which is provide the latest gnome desktop packages
[05:19] <Rowen_Stipe> I understand that.
[05:48] <timbo_> Does anyone have experience with the PreSonus AudioBox 22VSL? I'm having trouble getting it to work :/
[09:06] <kaibrossi> Hi, has anybody experience using a RME FireFace 800 with Ubuntu Studio 12.04?
[09:17] <ailo-w> kaibrossi: Are you having problems?
[09:19] <kaibrossi> Yes, it seems to be running but I don't see the connections in qjackctl. Is this the right place to post it?
[09:19] <ailo-w> kaibrossi: #ffado is a great resource for firewire related problems. Also, you can try #jack and #opensourcemusicians
[09:22] <kaibrossi> Thanks for your input. I have already posted my problem there. I thought maybe somebody solved the problem here.
[09:22] <smartboyhw> :)
[10:01] <delta> hello, double click on the main calendar on the panel should show event list. when i clicked it, calendar opened and closed in a flash. just thinking whether it's a bug with Orage that should be reported. Any suggestion?
[10:05] <smartboyhw> delta, er which version?
[10:18] <ailo> kaibrossi2: You can start jack, but nothing shows at all in "Connect"?
[10:19] <ailo> kaibrossi2: Just to eliminate one possibility - did you choose the "firewire" driver instead of "alsa"
[10:21] <kaibrossi> Yes, i did! I posted here my Log files: http://bros.titanpad.com/35 for Jack and http://bros.titanpad.com/36 for Diag
[10:25] <kaibrossi> ffado-dbus-server: http://bros.titanpad.com/37
[10:26] <delta> smartboyhw, english version. latest build
[10:27] <smartboyhw> delta, so 12.10?
[10:31] <delta> yes.
[10:32] <smartboyhw> delta, uh I don't get that bug I think
[10:32] <delta> i'm running it on virtualbox
[10:33] <smartboyhw> delta, I am running it on real hardware
[10:34] <delta> smartboyhw, so you can see the event list and events listed for the uration you want?
[10:37] <delta> also, it so happens only for a double click. single click properly opens orage.
[10:38] <smartboyhw> delta, ah now I see what you mean
[10:38] <smartboyhw> delta, then report a bug against Orage then
[10:40] <delta> also, i'm experiencing another problem. I installed VLC media player and opened a video from DVD. Even after closing the VLC, the icon appears on the panel. I opened two videos and hence there are two icons on panel now. no amount of closing or quitting can remove them.
[10:40] <delta> will post a screenshot shortly.
[10:43] <delta> smartboyhw, http://imagebin.org/232144
[10:44] <smartboyhw> delta, hmmm.....
[10:45] <delta> smartboyhw, which package? this isn't the first time i've seen this with VLC.
[10:46] <smartboyhw> delta, you mean which package is VLC?
[10:46] <delta> no, against which package should i file the bug?
[10:47] <smartboyhw> delta, I think against VLC
[10:48] <delta> smartboyhw, well, that's an external software which i installed..
[10:48] <smartboyhw> delta, er........
[10:48]  * smartboyhw does not know then
[10:48] <delta> if you suggest, maybe i'l l do just that :)
[10:49] <delta> or i'll file against xorg
[11:02] <ailo> kaibrossi2: If you can get jack to start, but there are not audio connections for your interface, I would take this up with ffado, for sure. Try their mail list.
[11:03] <ailo> It's not a config problem anyway
[11:04] <kaibrossi2> ailo: Are you shure? Do you know the e-mail list?
[11:15] <ailo> kaibrossi2: You'll find the mail list somewhere at their homepage, I think
[11:15] <kaibrossi2> ailo: Thanks for your help. I found it! ;)
[11:33] <delta> smartboyhw, i experinced an error with JACK. Prompt says, D-BUS: JACK server could not be started.
[11:34] <smartboyhw> delta, oh god..............
[11:34] <smartboyhw> ailo-w, help delta please:D
[11:35] <ailo-w> delta: Could be jack is already running
[11:35] <ailo-w> delta: Close all your applications using audio (including any browser), and kill any jack processes left alive
[11:36] <ailo-w> You can kill jackdbus from the terminal: killall -9 jackdbus
[11:36] <delta> nopes. it happened the very first time i opened QjackCTL
[11:36] <delta> okay
[11:37] <ailo-w> delta: have you used qjackctl before?
[11:37] <ailo-w> delta: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/ProAudioIntro/1204#Starting_Jack
[11:38] <ailo-w> delta: Also, if you start some applications that autostart jack, you might have jackd running
[11:38] <ailo-w> jackd == jackdbus, but without the dbus
[11:38] <delta> ailo-w: no. when i opened it, I expected to start in real time mode. by default it was stopped
[11:38] <delta> okay
[11:38] <ailo-w> delta: are you on Ubuntu Studio?
[11:39] <smartboyhw> ailo-w, he/she is on Ubuntu Studio 12.10 daily build I think
[11:39] <ailo-w> Ok
[11:39] <delta> ailo-w, yes
[11:40] <ailo-w> delta: Did you follow the same procedure as in the link I provided?
[11:41] <delta> ailo-w: going thru the link..
[11:42] <ailo-w> delta: You only need the part about jack, which if you click on the link is where you end up
[11:48] <delta> ailo-w: is it okay if i use the driver alsa?
[11:49] <ailo-w> delta: If you're audio card is either PCI or USB, then yes
[11:50] <delta> ailo-w: otherwise it should be always be firewire?
[11:50] <ailo-w> If your device is a firewire device, then yes, "firewire"
[11:56] <ailo-w> delta: How is it coming along?
[11:57] <delta> i'm still having some trouble.
[11:57] <ailo-w> delta: Sometimes PA can give you trouble too, so if I were you, I'd either logout and start a new session, or make sure to kill all instances of jack and pulseaudio (will respawn)
[11:57] <delta> maybe because i'm running it on virtualbox
[11:57] <ailo-w> delta: Er, ok
[11:58] <ailo-w> delta: You can't get any kind of good performance on Virtualbox. For testing purposes, you should try increase frames/buffer to maximum
[11:58] <delta> ailo-w: I'll do that. do you mind if I trouble you at a later instance?
[11:58] <delta> ailo-w: oh, ok :(
[11:58] <ailo-w> delta: frames/period, sorry
[11:59] <delta> ailo-w: like 2048?
[11:59] <ailo-w> delta: I didn't know you were on VB, but on VB, there is no actual HW device. Just the VB one, which I believe is some kind of generic PCI kind of thing
[12:00] <ailo-w> delta: I'd even go to max, just to be sure
[12:00] <ailo-w> 4096
[12:00] <delta> ailo-w: done. I'll try that.
[12:25] <delta> ailo-w: maybe it's time i give up :(
[12:25] <delta> http://imagebin.org/232150
[12:25] <delta> i couldn't start it..
[12:26] <ailo-w> delta: Try this in a terminal: jackd -d alsa
[12:26] <delta> ailo-w: okay.
[12:27] <ailo-w> Or rather, jackd -d alsa -p 4096
[12:27] <ailo-w> delta: Also, each time jack won't start with qjackctl, there's a chance jackdbus is left running
[12:27] <ailo-w> So, always kill it before trying again
[12:30] <delta> ailo-w: do you mind looking at two more images?
[12:30] <delta> http://imagebin.org/232152
[12:30] <delta> that with terminal log
[12:31] <delta> http://imagebin.org/232153
[12:31] <delta> * start JACK audio server on application startup
[12:32] <ailo-w> delta: Been a while since I tried jack on VB, so I can't really say much about the error message there
[12:33] <delta> ailo-w: thank you anyways for your help and time :)
[16:33] <FloatingGoat> holstein: hey
[16:33] <FloatingGoat> want to hear the first song i made with qtractor
[16:43] <holstein> sure... you should link it in osmp room
[17:06] <FloatingGoat> I already did
[17:06] <FloatingGoat> holstein: http://ubuntuone.com/0TluXVpzAy070FirZ2UVaG
[17:11] <holstein> FloatingGoat: very nice
[17:12] <FloatingGoat> thanks
[17:12] <FloatingGoat> work in progress i guess
[17:12] <FloatingGoat> probably going to scrap it though
[17:12] <FloatingGoat> too slow
[17:13] <holstein> i didnt think it was too slow... but its your music
[17:14] <FloatingGoat> how did you like the fake ass cello
[17:14] <FloatingGoat> was it insulting?
[17:15] <holstein> didnt even notice.. i just took it as a synth pad
[17:16] <FloatingGoat> haha
[17:33] <FloatingGoat> holstein: thanks for tha listen though
[19:22] <len-dt> FloatingGoat, sounds ok. I think the reason it sounds slow to you is the beat you chose. (I think  :)
[19:23] <FloatingGoat> beat?
[19:23] <FloatingGoat> drum?
[19:23] <len-dt> Drums
[19:23] <holstein> nothing wrong with slow
[19:23] <len-dt> No not at all.
[19:24] <len-dt> Not what I was trying to say actually. I think a different beat might make the speed it is sound better.
[19:25] <len-dt> FloatingGoat, the real question I have is how does qtractor compair to LMMS?
[19:26] <FloatingGoat> hmm
[19:26] <FloatingGoat> its harder to copy midi sequences
[19:26] <FloatingGoat> and make them
[19:26] <FloatingGoat> but way easier to edit raw audio
[19:26] <len-dt> I could see that.
[19:27] <FloatingGoat> qtractor has way better MIDI export too
[19:27] <len-dt> So it depends on what portion of the music is midi and what is audio.
[19:27] <FloatingGoat> lmms's midi output seems to be very buggy and missess notes
[19:27] <holstein> does lmms capture audio?
[19:27] <len-dt> No
[19:27] <FloatingGoat> no
[19:27] <FloatingGoat> but
[19:28] <holstein> thats a deal breaker
[19:28] <FloatingGoat> you can add raw audio
[19:28] <len-dt> From the home page they expect you to import it like a sample
[19:28] <holstein> what about rosegarden?
[19:28] <len-dt> RG is quite a large DL
[19:28] <holstein> it captures audio, and is arguably more midi-centric, dont you think?
[19:29] <FloatingGoat> i wonder if it has support for windows VST plugins
[19:29] <holstein> FloatingGoat: it'll use whatever the system uses.. or at least have the abiltiy to
[19:29] <len-dt> The thing with winVST is that it works in layers.
[19:30] <len-dt> The app talks to the VST plugin through a LV/dssi layer through a win layer then finally the VST.
[19:31] <FloatingGoat> len-dt: with rosegarden?
[19:31] <len-dt> With just about anything.
[19:32] <FloatingGoat> winVST?
[19:33] <len-dt> As oposed to linux VST
[19:39] <drupin> where i find the lessions holstein to make music on UStudio
[19:55] <holstein> drupin: lessons?
[19:55] <drupin> yes holstein
[19:55] <holstein> i would just search youtube for vids, or poke around for how-to's
[19:56] <holstein> there are so many options and so many packages...
[19:56] <holstein> there are nice sooperlooper tutorials.. and all kinds of stuff on ardour
[19:56] <holstein> you need to sort out how to use/start JACK.. and that will depend on your hardware
[19:57] <holstein> if you want me to link you an all-encompassing "how to make musice in ubuntustudio" page... there is no single resource for that
[19:57] <holstein> the options are too many.. and there are so many different packages and workflows
[19:58] <len-dt> And different kinds of music
[19:58] <holstein> are you doing midi only? audio only? live effects? are you doing graphics?... and there are many options for doing these tasks
[19:58] <holstein> thats what FloatingGoat has been experimenting with
[19:58] <holstein> a DAW that does mostly midi, with audio as well
[19:58] <holstein> ardour3 will likely be the answer to that soon when it releases
[19:59] <holstein> but FloatingGoat has tried LMMS and qtractor and might try rosegarden
[19:59] <holstein> do these all do the same thing?
[19:59] <holstein> no
[19:59] <holstein> why do we have so many options? because we can.. and they are all specific tools for specific purposes
[20:00] <holstein> http://www.renoise.com/ is a commercial DAW thats not a bad "all in one'
[20:07] <drupin> ok will look ytube
[20:47] <MaynardWaters> damn it holstein we need that page!
[20:48] <MaynardWaters> sry, i was way behind, and reading the "all encompassing how to make music in ubuntustudio comment" my bad
[20:48] <holstein> MaynardWaters: i have a draft somewhere here.. its been uploading for a few weeks though ;)
[20:49] <MaynardWaters> all of the holstein knowledge ever.... thats at least a few terabites right?
[20:49] <holstein> hehe
[20:50] <holstein> i have that on an old floppy here....
[20:50] <MaynardWaters> forgive me if this is impolite, but where are you located again? in the states?
[20:50] <MaynardWaters> max lolz
[20:50] <holstein> MaynardWaters: asheville north carolina
[20:50] <MaynardWaters> no f-ing way!
[20:50] <MaynardWaters> i just moved from raleigh up to detroit
[20:50] <MaynardWaters> damn.
[20:50] <holstein> nice... im at the flatrock this month if you make it over
[20:51] <holstein> you wont see me, im up in the pit
[20:51] <MaynardWaters> if i would have known you were that close I would have told you to come check out the recording studio that my housemate and i had built off of Ubuntustudio
[20:51] <holstein> you dont come back down this way ever?
[20:52] <MaynardWaters> we were still using 11.04 tho, so a little behind the curve, mostly for stabilities sake
[20:52] <MaynardWaters> well its going to be a rare thing now-a-days
[20:52] <holstein> MaynardWaters: im on 10.04 on my studio rig
[20:52] <MaynardWaters> picked up a new job working for a acoustical engineering software company, in belgium right now finishing up some trainging then heading to kansas city for a congference
[20:52] <MaynardWaters> solid
[20:52] <holstein> nie
[20:53] <holstein> nice*
[20:53] <MaynardWaters> alright well its bed time for me over across the pond, catch up with you more later
[20:53] <holstein> gn!
[23:06] <FloatingGoat> til I can sell you lies, you cant get enough, make a true beleiver of... anyone anyone anyone.
[23:08] <FloatingGoat> I wish i could make music like the xx