[02:09] <craigbass1976> I'm using a newer Acer with a touchpad that has no buttons.  Pushing on the right or left sides near where buttons ought to be both result in a left click I think.  Is there a way for XFCE to deal with these new multi touch rigs Synaptics is making?
[02:11] <hunan> Howdy all
[02:11] <craigbass1976> boo
[02:13] <hunan> So I recently switched from windows.. is there a way to get right clicks to work like a double tap?
[02:13] <hunan> I hate that I can't right click for more options anymore
[02:14] <craigbass1976> Possible, but I'm not sure.  Let me screw this laptop back together and I'll look with you.  Although, I guess I'm not sure what double tap does for you in Windows.  When I right click, I get a menu usually.
[02:14] <hunan> I said hat in revere
[02:14] <hunan> reverse**
[02:15] <craigbass1976> Revere works too...
[02:15] <ner0x> How can I get all the screensavers that Settings -> Screensaver shows installed?
[02:15] <ner0x> Package name?
[02:16] <hunan> Also... my trackpad seems to be super sensitive to my palms touching it now.. Any thoughts on that? I think asus has a driver that notices palm versus finger presses
[02:16] <Unit193> ner0x: Install xscreensaver-data-extra xscreensaver-gl-extra
[02:16] <ner0x> Unit193++ # thank you sir.
[02:17] <Unit193> Sure, there is also a bsod one that you can get.
[02:17] <ner0x> BSOD?
[02:17] <ner0x> Blue screen of death?! lol
[02:17] <hunan> Shit gotta restart. Can you send the link when I get bac unit?
[02:18] <craigbass1976> Isn't the Mac frowny face one somewhere too?
[02:19] <ner0x> None of these are very pretty. lol
[02:24] <craigbass1976> Which file am I after if I want to copy my xfce settings (launchers and desktop switchers) over to another box?
[02:28] <Unit193> Check in ~/.config/xfce4/
[02:30] <xubuntu494> hey all someone was gonna help me with rght clicks and with my trackpad?
[02:30] <xubuntu494> I forgot to set my name back to hunan haha
[02:32] <xubuntu494> Well fuck.. same problem as last time Unable to install GRUB
[02:32] <xubuntu494> grub-install/dev/sdb failed  That is a fatal error
[02:33] <bazhang> xubuntu494, no cursing here
[02:33] <craigbass1976> xubuntu494, don't say the intercourse word; people get urinated and you'll get booted.
[02:34] <craigbass1976> What was it youi were trying to do again?  Right click is supposed to be a double tap?
[02:35] <craigbass1976> Unit193, no go.  I copied the whole directory over and nothing changed.
[02:37] <craigbass1976> Unit193, Aha.  Got it now.
[02:37] <Unit193> craigbass1976: reboot/logout?
[02:37] <craigbass1976> Unit193, I was logged in to xfce when I did it the first time.  Doh?
[02:40] <hunan> Hello again.. computer crashed last time. On a different computer now so hopefulyl someone can help me
[02:40] <hunan> I think my hard drive's structure is a little messed up
[02:42] <hunan> Using the advanced tools during installation I can wipe all the partitions. Set up is suggesting a swap file.. (similar to a page file in windows if I'm not mistaken? ) How large should I set a swap file to be?
[02:47] <craigbass1976> hunan, I've heard double your ram
[02:47] <kcxzero> hunan, at least the amount of ram if you plan to use hibernate.
[02:49] <kcxzero> yeah, I've heard double too and one and a half (which what I've got).
[02:49] <hunan> I'm trying on more shot of just letting the installer handle it for me. I keep getting an error with grub though
[02:49] <hunan> I've never had issues like this with ubuntu
[02:50] <kcxzero> what kind or error, what's it doing?
[02:51] <hunan> It's unable to install on dev/sda
[02:51] <hunan> I posted it earlier cna't remmber the exact wording now
[02:52] <kcxzero> ok, I'll look up. This is a clean install with no other partition on the hdd?
[02:52] <craigbass1976> I've a keyboard problem...  I've got an acer (not the weird trackpad one, the one that I own) with a number pad that doubles as Home, End, Pg Up and Dn, etc.  To select text from where I am on a line, I should be able to hit Shift and End.  No, I get 7.  If I hit Number Lock, I can hit Shift and Home, and I'm taken to home without having highlighted anything.
[02:54] <hunan> Zero. I had xubuntu installed before this. Something got corrupted on it when I was messing with .files though
[02:54] <hunan> I'm just reinstalling to deal with
[02:54] <hunan> I think that it wipes drives when you install though
[02:54] <kcxzero> yeah, if you let it auto install it will write over the existing partition.
[02:56] <hunan> Yah problem was it wasn't doing that
[02:56] <hunan> It appears that it worked this time?
[02:57] <hunan> I'm gonna hang out in here and make sure everything is working
[02:57] <kcxzero> sounds good.
[02:58] <kcxzero> Which one did you select last time. Install alongside other os, erase entire disk and install or manually manage partitions? I can't remember the exact wording of each but I believe those are the options.
[02:59] <hunan> erase entire
[02:59] <kcxzero> oh ok, yeah that's strange. We'll see, hope it works this time.
[03:00] <hunan> I'm updating now so seems like it all worked.. my previous installation wasn't set up very nice. Just used it to test everything out
[03:01] <kcxzero> ok
[03:01] <kcxzero> did the username you selected have a capital letter?
[03:03] <kcxzero> I don't know if that's even an issue still. But I believe back when I used ubuntu (10.04) there was a bug where you couldn't install using a username with a capital letter.
[03:03] <hunan> nope lowercase
[03:03] <hunan> I don't believe that's an issue anymore though
[03:03] <kcxzero> ok, yeah since then I've always used lower case so I wouldn't know.
[03:10] <hunan> Ermmmmm thoughts on why I can't drag windows anywhere?
[03:10] <kcxzero> craigbass1976, I have no experience with the issue your talking about but have you checked your keyboard settings? Under Settings Manager go to Keyboard the the Layout tab.
[03:11] <kcxzero> I've always had the default setup work, so that's new to me.
[03:11] <kcxzero> ^ regarding keyboard layout
[03:11] <hunan> Trying a reboot now that things have updated
[03:12] <craigbass1976> kcxzero, mine worked fine in Lucid.  Not so going to 12.04.
[03:13] <hunan> Yahhhhhh I'm still having issues.. anyway to fully wipe an ssd?
[03:14] <kcxzero> I didn't even know your were using an ssd lol, I must have not been logged in during yoru earlier conversation. Can't find it.
[03:14] <hunan> I don't think I said that
[03:15] <hunan> I can't imagine that changes things does it?
[03:18] <kcxzero> Shouldn't, I was just pointing out that I must have missed part of your conversation earlier. I couldn't find the post about the error you had.
[03:19] <hunan> Well I'm gonna try installing just regular old ubuntu
[03:19] <hunan> It's not too hard to get rid of the unity desktop shit is it?
[03:20] <bazhang> !notunity | hunan
[03:20] <bazhang> hunan, watch the language please
[03:20] <kcxzero> I can't really recomended any specific software regarding earasing the ssd unfortunately. I just know good old hdds haha.
[03:21] <hunan> I can't say the bad work for poop in here... silly rules
[03:21] <hunan> I'm gonna head out. Thanks for the help. And just for the hell of it.... shit sandwich
[03:21] <kcxzero> you don't need to remove unity
[03:21] <kcxzero> just install xfce or gnome etc.
[03:22] <bazhang> he's gone
[03:22] <kcxzero> I see that haha
[03:35] <craigbass1976> kcxzero, Aha! http://askubuntu.com/questions/57079/xubuntu-make-shiftnumpad-work-like-windows
[03:36] <kcxzero> Nice!
[03:38] <craigbass1976> Must have been on by default or something in older ubuntus.  I've had this laptop a couple years now and it was fine up until Precise.  A short lived Fedora16 install before last Christmas didn't work right either.
[03:39] <craigbass1976> Man.  Geany is going to be so much easier to use now...  And Wordpress... And, and...
[03:40] <kcxzero> lol
[03:40] <kcxzero> did you edit the file or do it through the keyboard settings?
[04:02] <ner0x> Where can I configure where the file bookmarks are in Thunar?
[04:02] <ner0x> IE Templates, Desktop, etc.
[04:26] <xubuntu160> linux newb with a question
[04:27] <ner0x> Shoot.
[04:27] <xubuntu160> I got out my old IBM ThinkPad T41 and want to know the best linux to start learning with
[04:27] <ner0x> xubuntu160: Ubuntu would be a good choice since most things are precompiled.
[04:27] <xubuntu160> tryed putting linux mint 13, fedora 17 and ubuntu 12 but none work proporly
[04:27] <xubuntu160> ubuntu wouldnt even boot off live CD
[04:27] <ner0x> xubuntu160: Please describe the issues.
[04:29] <xubuntu160> well im really not all the knowledgable with computers, but i created a live ubuntu 12 CD and tryed to boot from the CD Drive and puppy and mint would work but ubuntu and fedora seem to have trouble loading correctly
[04:30] <ner0x> I need more info on the "loading correctly" what sort of messages did you experience/see?
[04:33] <xubuntu160> umm im trying to remember
[04:33] <ner0x> Do you have more than one computer?
[04:33] <xubuntu160> it said something along the lines of "GNOME3 could not load properly, reverting to old someting"
[04:33] <xubuntu160> yes, i have my gaming laptop running windows 7
[04:33] <xubuntu160> the t41 is for fun experimenting with linux and programming
[04:34] <ner0x> If you're load it now and tell me what you see, I'll attempt to walk you through it, if you have time.
[04:34] <xubuntu160> ill try to boot ubuntu 12 and give u an exact message, just take me a minut
[04:34] <holstein> xubuntu160: the graphics driver support has my vote... you can try nomodeset
[04:34] <xubuntu160> sure give me a sec and ill shut down the t41 and try to boot ubuntu 12
[04:34] <ner0x> holstein: Good call, just wondering if that's it since he can see things.
[04:35] <holstein> ner0x: im thinking "reverting to gnome3 fallback mode".. but you would think a desktop would appear.. depends on what version of fedora i suppose
[04:36] <ner0x> holstein: Try something a little less resource heavy to get the livecd working properly.
[04:36] <ner0x> And I used the wrong nick.
[04:36] <ner0x> lol
[04:37] <holstein> ner0x: no worries... xubuntu160 ^^ that was for you
[04:38] <ner0x> xubuntu160: Xubuntu LiveCD isn't a bad idea because of lower resource requirements. Still gives you enough to have stuff configured for you.
[04:38] <xubuntu160> seems like it doesent want to try and boot at all from the live CD
[04:40] <ner0x> xubuntu160: Do you know how to properly create a boot image from an ISO?
[04:40] <xubuntu160> sorry brb phone call
[04:46] <ner0x> xubuntu160: You're fired.
[04:46] <ner0x> holstein: Did you see my previous question about Thunar defaults?
[04:47] <holstein> ner0x: i did, but i havent dont that other than just in the gui... i use nautilus actually
[04:47] <ner0x> holstein: That's what I'm talking about.
[04:47]  * ner0x is obviously not new to linux, just xfce.
[04:48] <holstein> ner0x: this would have been a few rev's ago though.. im not sure how relevant.. it was similar to nautilus iirc
[04:49] <ner0x> *This* ?
[04:49] <holstein> ner0x: this being when i feel like i would have had relevant information to share with you about thunar
[04:49] <ner0x> Ah, alright.
[04:50] <holstein> ner0x: i did just open it though and i right click on them and see options
[04:50] <holstein> them being.. the shortcuts on the left pane i assume you are talking about
[04:51] <ner0x> Where exactly did you click?
[04:55] <holstein> http://imagebin.org/232120 for example
[05:12] <ner0x> holstein: Oh no, I got that bit. I want to change where they point.
[05:13] <ner0x> I have a /media/backup that I like to store all my "If I wipe this computer I want these things to stay". Since I enjoy wiping /home every once in a while.
[05:16] <holstein> ner0x: http://imagebin.org/232124
[05:16] <holstein> i just made that directory, and dragged it over to the bookmarks bar.. it points to where i dragged it from... i right click and i can rename or remove
[05:17] <ner0x> Right, but I'm wondering if my system will recognize it as the "Desktop" etc.
[05:17]  * ner0x tries it.
[05:45] <LinuxNewb> Newb question, i have a ibm thinkpad t-41, whats the best linux to instal to the HD and learn from?
[05:46] <LinuxNewb> Mint 13 doesent like to boot after instal
[05:47] <LinuxNewb> If i try Xubuntu, do i want to try "Desktop" or "Alternative"?
[05:47] <ner0x> LinuxNewb: Desktop contains the LiveCD
[05:47] <LinuxNewb> So i need the destop version then
[05:48] <ner0x> LinuxNewb: If you wish to just boot from the CD and try it, yes.
[05:48] <LinuxNewb> Im just looking for the best linux program to put on my thinkpad t41
[05:48] <LinuxNewb> i want to learn linux and beging learning to program
[05:49] <ner0x> LinuxNewb: Two completely different monsters. lol
[05:49] <LinuxNewb> tryed mint 13 and after it instals it wont boot, ubuntu and fedora 17 doesent like to work either
[05:49] <ner0x> I assume you are xubutu#### from before?
[05:49] <LinuxNewb> i understand, i know very little (but i feel i know more than the average jo) and i wana learn alot more
[05:49] <LinuxNewb> so i got an old t41 and decided to start with linux
[05:49] <LinuxNewb> yes im sry, my computer frooze up and i got distracted
[05:49] <ner0x> Right right. Did you attempt to boot with it yet to give me the error?
[05:50] <LinuxNewb> yes, the first time i booted with live CD I still had windows xp as main operation system
[05:50] <LinuxNewb> now that mint 13 is on it it wont boot from the ubuntu live CD at all
[05:50] <LinuxNewb> only puppy and mint 13 live CD
[05:51] <ner0x> That's odd. Have you messed with the BIOS, as in, boot order?
[05:52] <ner0x> And did you remove Windows XP and replace it with Mint 13?
[05:52] <LinuxNewb> no, that i do know a little about, boot order is first CD drive then if no CD it boots from OS on HD
[05:52] <LinuxNewb> yes i tried to replace with mint 13, after it said it was downloaded to HD it gave me a "panic" message and now XP is gone and mint wont boot of HD just LIve CD
[05:53] <LinuxNewb> off**
[05:53] <ner0x> How did you create your Xubuntu Desktop ISO?
[05:54] <LinuxNewb> I have not burned it to a disk yet, was wondering if i should choose desktop or alternative first
[05:55] <ner0x> Desktop for sure.
[05:55] <ner0x> I've only been on Xubuntu for a week or so but it's exactly as any other.
[05:55] <LinuxNewb> ok give me a little bit and illl burn it to a CD, i downloaded it as a bit torrent
[05:56] <ner0x> Fastest way for sure. Once you create it (what will you use to create the CD from the ISO?), I'll try and walk you through it.
[05:57] <LinuxNewb> i dont understand your question
[05:57] <ner0x> What will you make the ISO with?
[05:57] <ner0x> Er, the CD from the ISO.
[05:57] <LinuxNewb> ISO?
[05:58] <LinuxNewb> Im just using a blank DATA disk
[05:58] <ner0x> Oh man.
[05:58] <LinuxNewb> problem? i can use an old usb if i can find one
[05:58] <ner0x> Correct, you have to burn the ISO to a disk. The ISO is what you're downloading via torrent.
[05:59] <LinuxNewb> ok i think i am doing that, i have several burned alraedy and most have worked, and im doing the exact same thing
[05:59] <LinuxNewb> ok the disk is done
[06:00] <ner0x> What did you use to create the CD, you know you can't just burn it to a CD right?
[06:01] <LinuxNewb> ummm idk, i downloaded "xubuntu-12.0.4.1-desktop-i386" thru my bit torrent to my desktop and then double clicked it and it prompted me to burn it to a disk so i did
[06:01] <LinuxNewb> same as mint and fedora and ubuntu
[06:02] <ner0x> Alright, well that should work.
[06:02] <ner0x> Try to boot to it.
[06:02] <LinuxNewb> ok sweet, the t41 is booting now
[06:02] <ner0x> Let me know what errors you get.
[06:02] <LinuxNewb> takes awhile, 1.6GHz and only 1/2g ram lol
[06:02] <LinuxNewb> ok
[06:03] <LinuxNewb> i see the xubuntu loading screen, seems to be booting
[06:03] <ner0x> Good stuff. That's a good start.
[06:06] <LinuxNewb> ok, got the "try Xubuntu" and "Instal Xubuntu" buttons
[06:06] <ner0x> Try Xubuntu for now.
[06:07] <LinuxNewb> ok
[06:07] <LinuxNewb> loading ^^
[06:08] <ner0x> Good, let me know when it's done.
[06:08] <LinuxNewb> the reason i decided i wanted to learn about linux was because i found out that android is a verison of linux and i want to be able to root any phone and have some knowledge there lol
[06:08] <LinuxNewb> will do
[06:08] <ner0x> Oh, well that's not really applicable. You don't really *need* linux knowledge to root phones.
[06:09] <ner0x> I do, however, support your claim to linux if you want to start programming.
[06:09] <LinuxNewb> alright i have the desktop view now, i see the home and file system and trash and etx
[06:09] <ner0x> I find it a much easier environment to code it.
[06:09] <LinuxNewb> sounds good, im excited
[06:10] <ner0x> What are you trying to code in?
[06:10] <LinuxNewb> i dont know, to be honest i dont know really anything on the subject of programming, just starting out,
[06:11] <LinuxNewb> been to afraid to break my one school computer (im predental) so thats why i got this old ibm just incase i break something) lol
[06:11] <ner0x> Yeah, toy boxes are always good to have.
[06:11] <ner0x> Should have a desktop rather than a laptop though, it provides a little bit more of a challenge if your hardware isn't compatible.
[06:11] <ner0x> Not such an issue anymore.
[06:12] <LinuxNewb> true, ive been saving for one, i really like to game, and i almost have enough saved to build a nice desktop from scratch
[06:12] <ner0x> On man, I see a conflict already.
[06:12] <LinuxNewb> im going to wait for the november deals to buy all the parts
[06:13] <ner0x> Don't purchase a new computer for linux, it's pointless.
[06:13] <ner0x> You can't "easily" use linux and game on the same box.
[06:14] <LinuxNewb> not going to
[06:14] <LinuxNewb> building it for windows 7 strictly gaming,
[06:14] <ner0x> But if you're talking about building a computer for linux, just don't. No need to.
[06:14] <ner0x> Ah, alright. That makes sense.
[06:14] <LinuxNewb> no the t41 is all for leanring and linux
[06:14] <LinuxNewb> i have a asus laptop for school
[06:14] <LinuxNewb> and im building the gaming for streaming movies and gaming lol
[06:14] <LinuxNewb> ok xubuntu is fully loaded up
[06:15] <ner0x> So play!
[06:15] <ner0x> See if you like it.
[06:15] <LinuxNewb> sweet ok ill be back in a few min
[06:15] <ner0x> Don't go anywhere, you're bound to have questions. lol
[06:21] <LinuxNewb> its really slow
[06:21] <LinuxNewb> is that bc is on a live CD?
[06:22] <ner0x> That's one reason. Could be your hardware specs.
[06:22] <LinuxNewb> like the mouse takes a sec or 2 to respond
[06:22] <LinuxNewb> hmmm
[06:22] <ner0x> It's running directly off RAM right now.
[06:22] <LinuxNewb> if i were to download it to the HD would it work faster?
[06:23] <LinuxNewb> ooh well i only ahve 512mb
[06:23] <ner0x> Yeah, that'll do it.
[06:23] <ner0x> If you don't care, just install it and I can walk you through it.
[06:23] <LinuxNewb> well i like it so far might as well instal it since i have no OS on the HD anyway lol
[06:23] <LinuxNewb> click INSTAL Xubuntu?
[06:24] <ner0x> Correct, it will ask you some specific questions, you can just relay it to me and I'll let you know what to type.
[06:24] <LinuxNewb> OK
[06:28] <LinuxNewb> pretty easy just asking me to choose stuff like english and stuff
[06:28] <LinuxNewb> do i want the instal third party software?
[06:28] <ner0x> You can, it doesn't matter either way. You can choose to later on if you want.
[06:28] <LinuxNewb> ill do it later so i can learn
[06:29] <LinuxNewb> "download updates while installing"?
[06:29] <ner0x> I wouldn't.
[06:29] <ner0x> You'll figure out how to install packages/update later if you don't.
[06:29] <LinuxNewb> ok i wont
[06:30] <ner0x> I should mention, this is all based purely on my own personal opinion. Feel free to research and learn anything you want on your own and make your own opinions on what software/interface you like.
[06:30] <LinuxNewb> will do, gota start somewhere tho
[06:30] <LinuxNewb> wow this is exactly the same as mint
[06:30] <ner0x> Not *exactly*, you probably just can't tell the differences right yet.
[06:31] <LinuxNewb> sounds about right ^^
[06:31] <LinuxNewb> ok its installing, ill letcha know when its done
[06:31] <ner0x> What window manager are you using?
[06:31] <LinuxNewb> window manager?
[06:31] <ner0x> If you used Xubuntu, it's xfce. You'll want to learn about allthe different ones.
[06:31] <ner0x> LinuxNewb: Unlike windows, you can choose what "window manager" you use to have the desktop, etc.
[06:32] <LinuxNewb> oh yea i was reading something about that
[06:32] <LinuxNewb> i guess its xfce then
[06:32] <ner0x> The different between Ubuntu, Xubuntu, and Kubuntu, for example.
[06:35] <LinuxNewb> Xubuntu is lighter than Ubuntu right?
[06:36] <ner0x> Um, well yes.
[06:38] <ner0x> Learn to love console.
[06:38] <ner0x> Or terminal that is.
[06:39] <LinuxNewb> ive read a little about that as well
[06:39] <ner0x> Read a lot about it then.
[06:39] <LinuxNewb> its asking for my name and where i live and stuff
[06:40] <ner0x> You can put that stuff in at your leisure.
[06:40] <LinuxNewb> ok its about halfway done downloading
[06:40] <ner0x> installing*
[06:41] <LinuxNewb> yes ^^
[06:41] <ner0x> If you're smart you'll learn how to do most things in your terminal. Most things have UI but you'll learn more with console/terminal.
[06:42] <LinuxNewb> ok great ill start there
[06:42] <LinuxNewb> Encrypt my home folder?
[06:42] <ner0x> Not really needed if you're just learning.
[06:42] <LinuxNewb> what exactly does that do? i know it makes it more secure?
[06:43] <ner0x> Pretty much.
[06:43] <LinuxNewb> hmm ok
[06:43] <ner0x> But since you're not doing any work for NASA or the government, sort of overkill for right now.
[06:43] <LinuxNewb> lol true
[06:43] <LinuxNewb> about 3/4 done installing
[06:44] <ner0x> Good rule of thumb is just use what will get the job done and don't try to do any "Premature Optimization". Especially holds true if you're going to try and be a programmer.
[06:44] <ner0x> Premature Op is a programmer killer.
[06:44] <LinuxNewb> so deff dont encrypt then?
[06:44] <ner0x> No need to, you can if you want though? It might make it slower.
[06:45] <LinuxNewb> i click yes but i think i can go back and change it?
[06:45] <ner0x> You can't after you install.
[06:45] <LinuxNewb> oh.. well its still installing idk if i can go back its still loading
[06:45] <ner0x> You should be able to right now, just not after the install is done. I'd remove encryption if I were you.
[06:46] <ner0x> Considering you only have 512MB of ram.
[06:46] <LinuxNewb> ok i will try
[06:46] <LinuxNewb> dang back button dissapeared
[06:47] <LinuxNewb> i dont think i can get back, should i reinstall to save my ram?
[06:47] <ner0x> I don't think it'll matter.
[06:47] <ner0x> Not much anyway, it's going to be slow no matter what.
[06:47] <LinuxNewb> ok, wil it effect my memory after its done installing?
[06:51] <ner0x> Probably.
[06:51] <ner0x> But just fsck around on linux until you have time to reinstall.
[06:51] <LinuxNewb> darn i only have like 60gigs ok sounds good, it now says installing system"
[06:52] <ner0x> Memory != HDD space.
[06:52] <LinuxNewb> hey could i grab ur email if u dont mind incase i have questions later on? no big if u dont wana i understand
[06:52] <LinuxNewb> !=?
[07:01] <Mathias> lol
[07:01] <Mathias> != = not equals
[07:04] <ner0x> Future programmer people, watch out.
[07:59] <Kingsy> anyone else had a weird problem with wireless networks not connecting since a recent update?
[07:59] <Kingsy> I finally managed to get it connected by "connecting to a hidden network" which worked.. but what is going on?
[08:00] <Unit193> Which version?
[08:10] <Kingsy> 12.04
[08:11] <Unit193> Not hit it, on 12.04 now but connecting to a hidden network anyway.
[08:11] <Kingsy> I also had a weird problem yesterday, where after boot my user was nolonger a sudoer.. and my su password was wrong. So I couldnt even add myself as a sudoer again.. I had to fix it with a livecd
[08:11] <Kingsy> it just seems as though strange bugs are starting to pop up
[08:11] <Kingsy> Unit193: not hit it?
[08:12] <Unit193> Nope, not that one either.
[08:13] <Kingsy> are you talking about google results or something?
[08:14] <Unit193> No, I haven't had those issues which you have asked if anyone else has had.
[08:16] <Kingsy> well there are two computers in my house.. and both have had the wireless issue. Then another seperate pc at work had the sudoer issue.
[08:16] <Kingsy> its real odd
[08:17] <Kingsy> but annoying.. cause when a OS starts bugging out on you.. you loose faith in it
[11:05] <livingdaylight> I don't know whether to install xubuntu or wait, grrr...
[12:46] <swp> hello, how can I set a system wide proxy in xubuntu. I have changed /etc/environment, and apt seems to be working. I have had to manually enter the settings in XChat to get this working. In Zorin OS for example, there is a GUI program, and I click "Set System Wide" and everything works. How can I get firefox, and xchat to work using the system settings, opposed to entering them manually etc ?
[12:47] <swp> basically, where else do i enter proxy settings in linux to apply system wide, besides /etc/environment
[14:22] <greasegum> hey I'm getting this crazy bug in xscreensaver when I try to enter an RSS URL as image directory under advanced preferences.
[14:24] <greasegum> I entered a url and it spits back a mangled version of the string with the error "directory does not exist"
[14:25] <GridCube> are you sure you can feed it an rss source?
[14:25] <greasegum> yeah it's supposed to be able to accept them.
[14:26] <greasegum> but I can't even test this because of this pathological behavior
[14:26] <GridCube> greasegum, have you tried other rss feeds?
[14:26] <greasegum> for example I gave it 'http://synapticstimuli.com/feed/' and it spits back 'http:/synapticstimuliii.com/feed/'
[14:27] <greasegum> that's weird behavior, right?
[14:27] <GridCube> it adds letters?
[14:27] <greasegum> and removes a slash
[14:27] <GridCube> i see
[14:28] <greasegum> I tried editing the pref file directly, but when I go to test the screensaver I get the same error, also gedit logs a file change immediately when I open xscreensaver prefs
[14:29] <greasegum> honestly this is driving me batty
[14:29] <GridCube> i can confirm that this happens to me too
[14:30] <greasegum> this is like some annoying virus I would have written in middle school to f with people, lol
[14:32] <GridCube> greasegum, that rss feed is broken anyway
[14:32] <GridCube> oh, no... now it works
[14:32] <greasegum> hmm, shouldn't be
[14:32] <greasegum> ah ok
[14:32] <GridCube> but its not an images rss feed
[14:33] <greasegum> right, good point
[14:33] <greasegum> I should try something from flickr I guess
[14:37] <GridCube> greasegum, http://www.jwz.org/blog/2011/08/xscreensaver-image-rss-feeds/
[14:41] <greasegum> checking it out...
[14:56] <greasegum> hey that was pretty effective
[14:56] <GridCube> it was?
[14:56] <GridCube> nice :D
[14:56] <greasegum> as a workaround
[14:56] <GridCube> P: do a bug report
[14:57] <greasegum> I definitely should. I just tend to assume that all my problems have already been solved somewhere. :)
[15:00] <GridCube> greasegum, http://www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/bugs.html
[15:24] <apm1> will this give me a live image of my current install ?
[15:25] <apm1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1283260/
[15:27] <GridCube> no idea
[15:27] <apm1> but it looks promising doesn't it :)
[15:27] <GridCube> P: probably
[15:28] <GridCube> !live
[15:28] <apm1> GridCube, the bot didn't help
[15:28] <GridCube> no... Sysi what was the factoid for custom live cds?
[15:28] <GridCube> !customlivecd
[15:28] <GridCube> D:
[15:28] <GridCube> that was easier than i though
[15:28] <apm1> !info live-build
[16:13] <xubuntu584> Hii, I'd like to ask about instalation process
[16:14] <recon_lap> sure, what you want to know
[16:14] <xubuntu584> I have a netbook with 4 partition on it
[16:15] <xubuntu584> xubuntu see them as Sda1, Sda2, Sda3, Sda4
[16:16] <holstein> i had a netbook with a "storage" partition.. i wiped that out, and shrank the normal "windows" partition.. left the windows restore one and the other tiny one and put linux on the free space i claimed
[16:16] <xubuntu584> Windows 7 is installed on Sda2 and the other partition contain recovery and other files which I can.t see even from windows
[16:17] <holstein> xubuntu584: those are recovery partitions though... if you want to ever recover windows, you should save them.. you should have all that data mirrored or backed up somewhere *before* installing assuming you want to be able to recover
[16:17] <holstein> for me, i decided if i lost the windows 7 starter installation, i would be OK with that.. so i took the risk on that machine
[16:18] <holstein> on the other netbook i have i just wiped the entire drive and used it
[16:19] <xubuntu584> can I just resize partition sda2 and install xubuntu there without interfering with others?
[16:19] <GridCube> i used my sda1 partitiom (the one 7 wanted as recovery) as my swap partition :P
[16:20] <recon_lap> xubuntu584: I think you best approach it to remove one partition totally, recreate it as an extended partition, then you can create as many new partitions in the extended one.
[16:21] <holstein> xubuntu584: you can try... and in theory, sure.. but i and anyone else will encourage you to backup anything important before doing anything this major
[16:21] <holstein> you need to have a "oh no, the drive is not mounting/reading anymore and everything looks like its gone" backup plan
[16:21] <recon_lap> xubuntu584: dont forget that linux will want to create a swap partition
[16:22] <holstein> its likely you have that ntfs "data" partition something like i had.. i would blow that out as recon_lap is suggesting
[16:22] <xubuntu584> ok, it sound difficult
[16:23] <recon_lap> xubuntu584: not difficult, just dangerous to your data
[16:23] <xubuntu584> windows 7 is installed on partition Sda2 and there is 230GB space so ithought that i can resize that one and make partion available for xubuntu
[16:24] <xubuntu584> then i would have two systems beside
[16:24] <holstein> xubuntu584: you can try.. there are a limit to primary partitions AFAIK.. i had to blow one out to "make room"
[16:24] <recon_lap> xubuntu584: just spend the time backing up, because there is no worse feeling than "omg all my data is toast"
[16:25] <holstein> yeah.. it can happen.. i have resized a lot of partitions and ive only had one "oh no!" moment, and it was my fault... but it can happen.. plan for the worst, and you'll never be too much in trouble
[16:27] <xubuntu584> ok, i'll bacup first but if something goes wrong , let's day i install xubuntu succesfly and lose win7 can i  recover it using existing partitions to the previous status?
[16:28] <xubuntu584> to the status like from the shop i mean
[16:28] <holstein> !grub
[16:29] <holstein> xubuntu584: you can review that... if you use the "recovery" partition, it will reinstall as it was when you took it out of the box
[16:29] <holstein> or at least thats what i have found... win7 there and all the partitions back as they were
[16:30] <xubuntu584> ok thank you guys
[16:30] <holstein> xubuntu584: what if you break that recovery partition though? and you cant recover that way? how will you reinstall windows? which is something to think about since, when that hard drive fails, you cant recover windows
[16:30] <holstein> sometimes you can make a windows recovery disk, or order one for cheap from the manufacturer
[16:31] <recon_lap> xubuntu584: once you have you data safe you can recover from anything, most data loss it users error, erasing the wrong partition. worst case you end up paying $30 or so for a copy of you OS recovery disks. which you should have created when you got your computer.
[16:31] <holstein> this is not a waste of time since that hard drive is going to fail
[16:32] <recon_lap> had a close call recently, my HDD failed about a month ago, but had copies of most of my stuff on a external HDD. so did not lose much.
[17:01] <mynameisswift> Anyone got advice on my trackpad working differently than it did on windows? If I click on something with left click I have to use that finger to move a window. Previously if I held the click I could drag he window with any other finger. Do I need to find drivers somewhere or... ?
[17:03] <GridCube> mynameisswift, you could try installing gsynaptics and see if there is a configuration for that
[17:03] <GridCube> not all touchpads are multitouch, so it might be configured as a single touch
[17:04] <GridCube> see in the Mouse and Touchpad options of the settings manager, when you choose the device that contains the touchpad, if there is a configuration aswell
[17:04] <mynameisswift> Sweet thanks i'll dig around some more
[17:05] <GridCube> mynameisswift, when you install gsynaptics the program that is actually used is called gpointing-device-settings
[17:06] <GridCube> just telling you because that messed with my head back in the days
[17:07] <mynameisswift> I have two finger scrlling enabled already. I just need multitouch support.. I know it worked on windows Just need to figure out what packages to install
[17:09] <GridCube> !search multitouch
[17:09] <GridCube> mmm
[17:10] <GridCube> !find multitouch
[17:10] <GridCube> mynameisswift, ^^^
[17:10] <GridCube> !info xserver-xorg-input-multitouch
[17:12] <GridCube> mynameisswift, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad
[18:51] <AminosAmigos> Hello could anyone give me the md5sum of xubuntu-12.04.1-desktop-amd64
[18:51] <AminosAmigos> i couldn't find it :/
[18:51] <bazhang> !hashes
[18:57] <hfb_> how do you get this chat to work on XChat IRC?
[18:57] <bazhang> work how
[18:57] <hfb_> like get this channel on it
[18:58] <hfb_> im new to linux and xubuntu
[18:58] <bazhang> auto join?
[18:58] <hfb_> i just dont see it on the channel list
[18:58] <bazhang> add it to auto join
[18:58] <Azelphur> hfb_: /server irc.freenode.net /join #xubuntu
[18:58] <bazhang> edit the server then add #xubuntu,#channel,#etc
[18:59] <bazhang> click connect
[19:00] <hfb_> i think it worked
[19:00] <hfb_> or not i dont see anyone in it
[19:01] <bazhang> which server
[19:01] <hfb_> #xubuntu
[19:01] <bazhang> thats a channel
[19:01] <hfb_> it says im the only one in
[19:02] <bazhang> wrong network then
[19:02] <hfb_> hmmm
[19:03] <bazhang> works
[19:03] <hfb_> got it
[19:03] <bazhang> yep
[19:03] <hfb_> i was on debian not ubuntu server lol
[19:03] <bazhang> heh
[19:05] <AminosAmigos> thanks @bazhang
[19:06] <bazhang> np
[19:06] <hfb_> yes ty
[19:09] <puff> Odd, I went to install bluez-hcidump, and apt wants to remove 83 packages: http://pastebin.com/PBwwRxtt
[19:09] <puff> I guess xubuntu wants me to upgrade :-(
[19:09] <puff> Still on 11.4 and don't want the growing pains of upgrading, sigh.
[19:10] <AminosAmigos> @bazhang The link you gave me didn't have the 12.04.1 hashes I found them here http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/12.04/release/MD5SUMS
[19:10] <bazhang> ok
[19:10] <bazhang> puff 12.10 is superb
[19:11] <puff> bazhang: Yeah, but how painful will the upgrade be?
[19:11] <puff> bazhang: Also, I'm about to try to install maya to do some python/maya programming, and I'm not sure how up to date maya's ubuntu support is.
[19:12] <Sysi> puff: did you run sudo aptitude update
[19:12] <puff> bazhang: Commercial apps like that have a bad tendency to lag several versions behind.
[19:12] <puff> Sysi: Yeah.
[19:12] <bazhang> Sysi, aptitude has some issues
[19:12] <Sysi> puff: first run aptitude safe-upgrade
[19:13] <puff> bazhang: which is part of why I like running the LTS versions.
[19:13] <bazhang> !aptitude
[19:13] <puff> Sysi: Appreciate the advice, but I think I'm going to hold off until I sort out Maya, make sure I don't upgrade myself out of reach.
[19:14] <hfb_1> why when you click my name does it show my IP? an not on other people?
[19:14] <Sysi> puff: installing regular updates is recommended
[19:14] <bazhang> !cloak | hfb_1
[19:14] <puff> Sysi: Did you see what I typed earlier, about maya?
[19:15] <hfb_1> @ubottu thanks
[19:16] <Sysi> puff: regular updates shouldn't have efect on that
[19:17] <puff> Sysi: updates yeah, but not upgrades.
[19:17] <Sysi> safe-upgrade is not version upgrade, it's updates
[19:17] <puff> Ah, okay.
[19:18] <Sysi> you'll need do-release-upgrade for version upgrades, with -d lever on LTS release
[19:18] <Sysi> hfb_1: don't use @ in irc
[19:18] <puff> Huh, says unable to resolve dependencies, try running with --full-resolver.
[19:18] <Sysi> @hfb_1 see?
[19:19] <puff> Sysi: How safe is --full-resolver?
[19:19] <hfb_1> ok
[19:19] <Sysi> puff: did you run aptitude update first? if you're on 64bit, use sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[19:19] <puff> Sysi: Yes, I already ran aptitude update.
[19:20] <puff> Sysi: I'm on 64bit, yeah.
[19:20] <puff> I recall having pains with dist-upgrade too, in the past.
[19:20] <Sysi> do you use ppa:s?
[19:21] <puff> Hm, there might be one or two.  I recall playing with some in the past, lemme check my sources.
[19:22] <puff> Hm, don't see any.
[19:23] <puff> I have skype installed, had to have it for a contract where they used skype-IM to communicate.  Don't recall if I had to use a PPA for that.
[19:23] <puff> Google suggests not.
[19:24] <bazhang> thats the partner repo
[19:24] <puff> Ah, okay, not a PPA then.
[19:25] <puff> I need to reclaim my external hard drive from the friend I loaned it to, and do a full backup before I go monkeying with anything serious.
[20:30] <xubuntu490> Woot, Xubuntu install finishing soon
[20:30] <xubuntu490> Now just need to find a gnome-do replacement
[20:32] <holstein> you can use gnome-do... theres kupfer and synapse
[20:33] <xubuntu490> Oh Synapse looks good
[20:35] <Rropicana> TheSheep: Hey! I gave up on the Xubuntu
[20:36] <xubuntu490> Why
[20:36] <TheSheep> Rropicana: shame to hear that, but I can totally understand
[20:36] <Rropicana> I am now running the Lubuntu version and it did great to install with Wubi
[20:36] <xubuntu490> Couldn't get xserver to load w/ lubuntu
[20:37] <Rropicana> Well i hope in the future they will fix so i can install it from Wubi, or next time i dont need to be carefull with the files on the computer im installing it on
[20:37] <apm1> ieven left the xubuntu boat for debian :p
[20:37] <holstein> you should have your data backed up anyway..
[20:38] <xubuntu490> I certianly do after accidentally wiping a 4TB raid array last Spring
[20:38] <xubuntu490> Default Ubuntu partitioner doesn't like Intel Smart Response
[20:39] <Rropicana> holstein: the problem is that i have to mutch thing on this netbook at the windows partition and my extern HDD is already full so i couldnt afford to lose the data
[20:40] <Rropicana> Like they say... Better safe then sorry :)
[20:40] <TheSheep> there are two kinds of people, those who make backups and those who will be making backups
[20:40] <holstein> Rropicana: sure, but you *will* lose the data.. that hard drive *will* fail
[20:40] <holstein> TheSheep: hehe
[20:40] <Rropicana> hahaha
[20:40] <Rropicana> True
[20:41] <Rropicana> but i must say that it is really awesome how good Wubi works when it works
[20:41] <Rropicana> Love the Idee
[20:42] <apm1> real men upload their work on ftp , posers do offline backups - linus :p
[20:42] <apm1> i wish i had the bandwidth to do that linus :(
[20:43] <Mathias> why didn't anyone tell me arandr existed? it made my day so much easier :P
[20:43] <apm1> !info arandr
[20:43] <TheSheep> apm1: don't tell me that you are actually *producing* more data than you can upload
[20:43] <apm1> TheSheep, well i am :)
[20:44] <apm1> considring i have a 5kbps uplink :p
[20:44] <TheSheep> apm1: and you can type faster than 5k characters per second?
[20:45] <apm1> no but i can compile faster :p
[20:45] <TheSheep> sorry, that's 640 characters per second
[20:45] <TheSheep> still pretty fast
[20:45] <TheSheep> apm1: upload sources, not the compiled binaries
[20:46] <apm1> TheSheep, will do from now on :)
[21:40] <craac> hello, am i in the right place?
[21:40] <craac> xubuntu chat room yes?
[21:40] <recon_lap> thats what is says on the door
[21:41] <craac> well howdy doo da, just installed xubuntu for the first time
[21:43] <recon_lap> craac: good for you, for general chat goto #xubuntu-offtopic , if you have a support question just shoot
[21:44] <craac> i have a question. Im trying to set up my pc for bitcoin mining and the instructions are telling me to write a script. Is that a seperate text file i have to write or lines i enter in the terminal
[21:45] <genii-around> craac: You'd probably want it in a file so it could be used more than once.
[21:45] <recon_lap> craac: no idea, have a hard time getting my head around what bitcoim actual does, there probably is a bitcoin help channel or user group around somewhere that can help.
[21:47] <craac> @genii, ok thanks. Ill try that and see how it works. @recon, ive been searching around but im very new to irc so im not the best at finding the right rooms
[21:47] <recon_lap> craac, the bitcoin web site probably the best place to look first
[21:50] <craac> ok im off, thanks for the help guys
[23:05] <puff> Hm, odd.
[23:06] <puff> So, I use the multiple virtual desktops thing... every now and then when I'm mouse-dragging a window from one virtual desktop to another, I drag too high or something, and the menu bar re-draws itself.
[23:06] <puff> And just now, I'm not sure what I did, but it didn't redraw itself.
[23:08] <recon_lap> puff?
[23:09] <puff> Yes?
[23:10] <puff> To clarify, when I say "didn't redraw", I mean it disappeared, or at least is empty.  There's a black bar across the top of the screen where the menu bar should be. Any ideas how to get the menu bar to reappear?
[23:10]  * recon_lap wishes IRC had a icon for head scratching 
[23:11] <recon_lap> puff: have you tried switching virtual desktops to see if it redraws
[23:11] <puff> yes, it doesn't.
[23:11] <puff> I've also tried alt-f11 twice, to expand a window to cover the menu bar and then unexpand it, didn't fix it.
[23:12] <puff> I suppose I could restart the window manager.
[23:12] <recon_lap> puff: open a new app and see if it has a title bar
[23:13] <puff> Yes, it did... the problem is not with window title bars, it's with the overall menu bar.
[23:13] <puff> The xfwm4 menu bar, I guess.
[23:14] <puff> Hm, restarting xfwm4 didn't fix it... I'm not sure it actualyl restarted it, I got a message saying "xfwm4-WARNING **: Failed to connect to session manager: Failed to connect to the session manager: SESSION_MANAGER environment variable is not defined."
[23:14] <puff> Maybe I'll try it without the --replace.
[23:14] <recon_lap> puff: logout and back in again, see if it comes back, or try open it's properties
[23:15] <puff> Nope, without --replace it says another manager is already running, try --repalce.
[23:15] <puff> recon_lap: But that's so.... windows.
[23:15] <puff> Also, I have a zillion windows open, I don't wanna have to set things up again.  Sigh.
[23:15] <recon_lap> puff: true :-[
[23:16] <recon_lap> puff: the linux was, jusp to a tty console and restart x :)
[23:16] <recon_lap> was/way*
[23:17] <recon_lap> puff: so you problem is that the applet bar is gone?
[23:18] <recon_lap> or panel to give its proper name
[23:22] <puff> restarting x would kill all my windows anyway :-(.
[23:22] <puff> applet panel?  Okay, sure.
[23:22] <puff> The thing across the top of m screen that has the dropdown menus, clock, etc.
[23:22] <puff> Equiv to the windows menu bar.
[23:23] <recon_lap> puff: yes
[23:23] <recon_lap> puff: is it the panel we talking about?
[23:24] <puff> Under the definition I just gave and you agreed to, yes.
[23:24] <recon_lap> puff: I'd guess that it got dragged off screen
[23:25] <puff> So how do I drag it back onto screen?  Not to mention lock it down so it doesn't happen again...
[23:26] <recon_lap> tries to find the command to get panel preferences up from cml
[23:28] <recon_lap> puff: try, xfce4-panel -p
[23:30] <puff> Not installed.
[23:30] <puff> Gah, and it wants to remove 83 packages to finish configuring libreoffice, before it'll install xfce4-panel.
[23:31] <recon_lap> puff: you are using xubuntu?
[23:31] <puff> Yes.
[23:31] <recon_lap> puff: well dont let it go installing stuff
[23:31] <puff> Yeah.
[23:33] <recon_lap> puff: that command should just have opened the panel preferences dialog, which is part of xfce, your sure your using xubuntu ?
[23:33] <recon_lap> puff: and not ubuntu with xfce ?
[23:35] <recon_lap> back to scratching head :P
[23:37] <puff> recon_lap: Ah, yeah, I'm using ubuntu with the xubuntu package installed.
[23:37] <puff> recon_lap: I came here and said what do I need to do to switch, they said just install this package, etc.
[23:37] <puff> Gotta run, will have to take another crack at this later.
[23:38] <recon_lap> puff: ok, good luck
[23:38] <puff> Thanks!