=== yofel_ is now known as yofel [18:25] hey, is https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/quantal-changes/2012-October/011790.html something that needs to land in Edubuntu before release [18:27] I'm a bit confused by the description but it sounds like it won't migrate quantal users who have already logged in to GNOME Classic [18:27] jbicha: it sounds like it needs to be in the archive before release, yes [18:27] jbicha: it doesn't need to be on a media though, so as long as it's a 0-day SRU and is published in -updates by the time we release, we'll be good [18:28] what if somebody installs from the CD and logs in to GNOME Classic before applying updates? [18:34] jbicha: I'm not sure and I don't have time to look into this (nor time to respin anyway), but my understanding is that it's only touching the migration code, is that incorrect? [18:37] I haven't tested yet [18:38] GNOME Classic with effects has been broken in quantal since the gsettings switch and it just sounded from the changelog like the fix doesn't work right for existing quantal users [18:39] livecd/ubiquity/target-config/60edubuntu-default-session: chroot /target /usr/lib/lightdm/lightdm-set-defaults --session gnome-fallback || true [18:39] so not a problem, we don't use classic, we use fallback [18:39] as classic was indeed busted for beta2 and I got bored and hardcoded fallback everywhere [18:39] (according to the chngelog ;)) [18:39] ok, maybe less of an issue, but with effects is still on your image [18:40] yeah, at least users won't be getting it by default, so 0-day SRU is fine [18:40] ok, so Edubuntu 12.04 uses Unity by default but 12.10 uses Fallback? [18:40] default for desktop is Unity, default for LTSP is fallback [18:40] and we have an installer option to use fallback [18:40] ok [18:41] only way you get classic is by choosing it at login time [18:41] edubuntu 12.04 uses unity 2d by default for ltsp and 12.10 uses fallback by default for ltsp. both use 3d by default [18:41] ideally I'd want to switch to classic for 13.04 assuming it's all fixed once the new compiz lands [18:41] and are you aware that GNOME plans to kill Fallback, probably for GNOME 3.8? [18:41] (but keep unity as the default for desktop, just replace fallback by classic) [18:41] yeah, I heard of the plans and they suck but we can't do much about it... [18:42] and by killing, they mean removing support in gnome-settings-daemon and other places [18:42] I'm thinking Ubuntu will still with gnome-settings-daemon/gnome-control-center 3.6 next cycle so Classic may still be ok for 13.04 [18:43] here's the meta bug https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=682858 [18:43] Gnome bug 682858 in general "[meta] Remove fallback support code" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [18:44] yeah, at this point I'm trying to ignore what's going on with the desktop stuff and focus on the server side of things where things at least go on the right direction... [18:45] it looks like to me that gnome upstream is extremely successful at getting rid of their users, the problem is, I don't feel like shipping a second full desktop environment either, so I'm not sure what we'll end up shipping for 14.04... [19:30] stgraber: is it normal behaviour that a language other than english prompts for folder name changes on first login? [19:30] (seems a bit odd) [19:31] (and I only got it on i386 (so far)) [19:31] highvoltage: that part of nautilus/xdg-dirs is racy, we've seen a few reports where you get duplicate entries or badly translated ones, ... [19:31] hmm, and it seems to be telling me that my langpack downloads are incomplete. perhaps that's part of it. [19:31] oh and it popped up 3 more times, eish [19:32] oh, showing up multiple times is a first though :) [19:32] is simplified chinese last one or second last item on the isolinux menu? [19:32] the one with the least strokes [19:33] ok [19:33] I never remember the order, I just look for the "simple" one :) [19:34] (it's the second-last one, ftr) [19:36] stgraber: do those test cases get parsed by anything (I notice you added my name and date, I'll continue to do the same) [19:40] highvoltage: they get parsed by me when I'm tired, so properly aligned and following the format defined in the header is a good way of reducing my reading time ;) [19:41] 19:40 < stgraber> highvoltage: they get parsed by me when I'm tired, so properly aligned and following the format defined in the header is a good way of reducing my [19:41] reading time ;) [19:42] stgraber: I got your message before my container died, at least :) [19:42] ok :) [19:42] (I keep running into this strange bug where if my lxc package updates, half of my containers die, and then around 2 minutes later, the other half) [19:42] (so I kind of knew it was coming as my irc session was in the second batch :p) [19:43] highvoltage: when creating the greek live CDs I noticed I had to run `locale-gen --purge` somewhere at the bottom of the process so that the chinese locales were removed and didn't cause the "langpack incomplete" prompts later on [19:43] Removing the pt or es locales works fine, but there's a bug somewhere in removing the chinese ones [19:43] And it's not cleanly removed, and locale-gen --purge is required etc etgc [19:44] `locale -a` after a non-chinese installation should demonstrate the problem.... [19:47] alkisg: maybe that has something to do with there being an ubuntu chinese edition where there's some specific stuff for that [19:47] Yeah it's special-cased in some areas of the installation process [19:48] highvoltage: doing greek amd64 in oem with encrypted home now [19:49] I'm doing simplified chinese but just a straight install since I don't want to risk clicking on something and not knowing what it means [19:49] (although chinese isn't as well translated as french) [19:49] * alkisg won't even ask if the greek keyboard is working in 12.10, he's certain that it's still broken... :-/ [20:08] highvoltage: can you borrow a machine for dvd testing on your side? [20:08] highvoltage: I can do usb testing but I don't have any drive or blank media here [20:11] yep [20:13] I'll write it to DVD here and then install at home on mac mini / lg laptop [20:14] highvoltage: are you testing 20121017.1 at the moment? if so, can you also post results to iso.qa.ubuntu.com (no need for details, I just want to get the count roughly right) [20:15] stgraber: yes, I synced right before testing [20:15] will do [20:15] wow, it's always so weird to install in arabic... [20:17] iso tracker seems a bit slow atm. [20:18] yeah, that usually happens around release... some results took over 30s to post here [20:18] I'll need to look at better indexing for a few fields [20:18] what happens? does the db get hit real hard? [20:18] or is it on a host with other stuff? [20:20] it's running on its own server (quadcore xeon). Seems like mostly IO bound and postgres not being properly tweaked [20:20] I have 5GB of free memory so it's a bit weird seeing the DB being so slow [20:21] I'd need to do some tweaks to postgres/apache but I first need to replicate the load issues on staging and then ask IS to update the config, so it takes time... :( [20:23] my current guess is that the query looking for bug history is taking quite long to parse the LP bug table and that I need some better indexes on that stuff [20:23] doh, yeah, found the problem, the LP bug table isn't indexed by bugnumber... [20:33] highvoltage: added the index, you should see a huge speed difference [20:35] stgraber: cool [22:11] just testing wubi on i386 then will mark that one as ready too [22:12] and then will go to bed :)