[18:25] <jbicha> hey, is https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/quantal-changes/2012-October/011790.html something that needs to land in Edubuntu before release
[18:27] <jbicha> I'm a bit confused by the description but it sounds like it won't migrate quantal users who have already logged in to GNOME Classic
[18:27] <stgraber> jbicha: it sounds like it needs to be in the archive before release, yes
[18:27] <stgraber> jbicha: it doesn't need to be on a media though, so as long as it's a 0-day SRU and is published in -updates by the time we release, we'll be good
[18:28] <jbicha> what if somebody installs from the CD and logs in to GNOME Classic before applying updates?
[18:34] <stgraber> jbicha: I'm not sure and I don't have time to look into this (nor time to respin anyway), but my understanding is that it's only touching the migration code, is that incorrect?
[18:37] <jbicha> I haven't tested yet
[18:38] <jbicha> GNOME Classic with effects has been broken in quantal since the gsettings switch and it just sounded from the changelog like the fix doesn't work right for existing quantal users
[18:39] <stgraber> livecd/ubiquity/target-config/60edubuntu-default-session:        chroot /target /usr/lib/lightdm/lightdm-set-defaults --session gnome-fallback || true
[18:39] <stgraber> so not a problem, we don't use classic, we use fallback
[18:39] <stgraber> as classic was indeed busted for beta2 and I got bored and hardcoded fallback everywhere
[18:39] <stgraber> (according to the chngelog ;))
[18:39] <jbicha> ok, maybe less of an issue, but with effects is still on your image
[18:40] <stgraber> yeah, at least users won't be getting it by default, so 0-day SRU is fine
[18:40] <jbicha> ok, so Edubuntu 12.04 uses Unity by default but 12.10 uses Fallback?
[18:40] <stgraber> default for desktop is Unity, default for LTSP is fallback
[18:40] <stgraber> and we have an installer option to use fallback
[18:40] <jbicha> ok
[18:41] <stgraber> only way you get classic is by choosing it at login time
[18:41] <highvoltage> edubuntu 12.04 uses unity 2d by default for ltsp and 12.10 uses fallback by default for ltsp. both use 3d by default
[18:41] <stgraber> ideally I'd want to switch to classic for 13.04 assuming it's all fixed once the new compiz lands
[18:41] <jbicha> and are you aware that GNOME plans to kill Fallback, probably for GNOME 3.8?
[18:41] <stgraber> (but keep unity as the default for desktop, just replace fallback by classic)
[18:41] <stgraber> yeah, I heard of the plans and they suck but we can't do much about it...
[18:42] <jbicha> and by killing, they mean removing support in gnome-settings-daemon and other places
[18:42] <jbicha> I'm thinking Ubuntu will still with gnome-settings-daemon/gnome-control-center 3.6 next cycle so Classic may still be ok for 13.04
[18:43] <jbicha> here's the meta bug https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=682858
[18:44] <stgraber> yeah, at this point I'm trying to ignore what's going on with the desktop stuff and focus on the server side of things where things at least go on the right direction...
[18:45] <stgraber> it looks like to me that gnome upstream is extremely successful at getting rid of their users, the problem is, I don't feel like shipping a second full desktop environment either, so I'm not sure what we'll end up shipping for 14.04...
[19:30] <highvoltage> stgraber: is it normal behaviour that a language other than english prompts for folder name changes on first login?
[19:30] <highvoltage> (seems a bit odd)
[19:31] <highvoltage> (and I only got it on i386 (so far))
[19:31] <stgraber> highvoltage: that part of nautilus/xdg-dirs is racy, we've seen a few reports where you get duplicate entries or badly translated ones, ...
[19:31] <highvoltage> hmm, and it seems to be telling me that my langpack downloads are incomplete. perhaps that's part of it.
[19:31] <highvoltage> oh and it popped up 3 more times, eish
[19:32] <stgraber> oh, showing up multiple times is a first though :)
[19:32] <highvoltage> is simplified chinese last one or second last item on the isolinux menu?
[19:32] <stgraber> the one with the least strokes
[19:33] <highvoltage> ok
[19:33] <stgraber> I never remember the order, I just look for the "simple" one :)
[19:34] <highvoltage> (it's the second-last one, ftr)
[19:36] <highvoltage> stgraber: do those test cases get parsed by anything (I notice you added my name and date, I'll continue to do the same)
[19:40] <stgraber> highvoltage: they get parsed by me when I'm tired, so properly aligned and following the format defined in the header is a good way of reducing my reading time ;)
[19:41] <stgraber> 19:40 < stgraber> highvoltage: they get parsed by me when I'm tired, so properly aligned and following the format defined in the header is a good way of reducing my
[19:41] <stgraber>                   reading time ;)
[19:42] <highvoltage> stgraber: I got your message before my container died, at least :)
[19:42] <stgraber> ok :)
[19:42] <highvoltage> (I keep running into this strange bug where if my lxc package updates, half of my containers die, and then around 2 minutes later, the other half)
[19:42] <highvoltage> (so I kind of knew it was coming as my irc session was in the second batch :p)
[19:43] <alkisg> highvoltage: when creating the greek live CDs I noticed I had to run `locale-gen --purge` somewhere at the bottom of the process so that the chinese locales were removed and didn't cause the "langpack incomplete" prompts later on
[19:43] <alkisg> Removing the pt or es locales works fine, but there's a bug somewhere in removing the chinese ones
[19:43] <alkisg> And it's not cleanly removed, and locale-gen --purge is required etc etgc
[19:44] <alkisg> `locale -a` after a non-chinese installation should demonstrate the problem....
[19:47] <highvoltage> alkisg: maybe that has something to do with there being an ubuntu chinese edition where there's some specific stuff for that
[19:47] <alkisg> Yeah it's special-cased in some areas of the installation process
[19:48] <stgraber> highvoltage: doing greek amd64 in oem with encrypted home now
[19:49] <highvoltage> I'm doing simplified chinese but just a straight install since I don't want to risk clicking on something and not knowing what it means
[19:49] <highvoltage> (although chinese isn't as well translated as french)
[19:49]  * alkisg won't even ask if the greek keyboard is working in 12.10, he's certain that it's still broken... :-/
[20:08] <stgraber> highvoltage: can you borrow a machine for dvd testing on your side?
[20:08] <stgraber> highvoltage: I can do usb testing but I don't have any drive or blank media here
[20:11] <highvoltage> yep
[20:13] <highvoltage> I'll write it to DVD here and then install at home on mac mini / lg laptop
[20:14] <stgraber> highvoltage: are you testing 20121017.1 at the moment? if so, can you also post results to iso.qa.ubuntu.com (no need for details, I just want to get the count roughly right)
[20:15] <highvoltage> stgraber: yes, I synced right before testing
[20:15] <highvoltage> will do
[20:15] <stgraber> wow, it's always so weird to install in arabic...
[20:17] <highvoltage> iso tracker seems a bit slow atm.
[20:18] <stgraber> yeah, that usually happens around release... some results took over 30s to post here
[20:18] <stgraber> I'll need to look at better indexing for a few fields
[20:18] <highvoltage> what happens? does the db get hit real hard?
[20:18] <highvoltage> or is it on a host with other stuff?
[20:20] <stgraber> it's running on its own server (quadcore xeon). Seems like mostly IO bound and postgres not being properly tweaked
[20:20] <stgraber> I have 5GB of free memory so it's a bit weird seeing the DB being so slow
[20:21] <stgraber> I'd need to do some tweaks to postgres/apache but I first need to replicate the load issues on staging and then ask IS to update the config, so it takes time... :(
[20:23] <stgraber> my current guess is that the query looking for bug history is taking quite long to parse the LP bug table and that I need some better indexes on that stuff
[20:23] <stgraber> doh, yeah, found the problem, the LP bug table isn't indexed by bugnumber...
[20:33] <stgraber> highvoltage: added the index, you should see a huge speed difference
[20:35] <highvoltage> stgraber: cool
[22:11] <stgraber> just testing wubi on i386 then will mark that one as ready too
[22:12] <stgraber> and then will go to bed :)