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bolocalligrasheets has the wrong (old) icon. do i report this bug to launchpad or to bko ?00:47
ScottKvalorie: netbook is working here.00:57
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kittermashadeslayer: Updated backtrace: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1284278/02:38
ScottKshadeslayer: It's KDE bug 30798802:43
ubottuKDE bug 307988 in plasma-netbook "Plasma Crash when switching to Page One" [Crash,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30798802:43
ScottKvalorie: You should be able to install kde-config-touchpad from quantal-proposed now or very shortly.  It's accepted/built.03:35
shadeslayerScottK: can I upload kdevelop to -proposed?04:29
shadeslayerI'll be working on it right now04:29
ScottKyes.  with all the sru paperwork04:30
shadeslayerright04:30
apachelogger<3 sru paperwork04:50
shadeslayer:P04:55
shadeslayerhopefully I can get away with just using one meta bug against kdevelop for the entire kdevelop upload ;)04:58
shadeslayerScottK: can you approve bug 1067611 for R-Series?05:51
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1067611 in kdevelop (Ubuntu Quantal) "[SRU] Meta bug for tracking KDevelop SRU" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106761105:51
shadeslayerCould someone test firefox 16 with kde patches from ppa:rohangarg/experimental?06:13
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Riddellonly 1 day to go!08:36
Riddellshadeslayer: firefox 16 working with kde file dialogue here09:09
shadeslayer\o/09:38
shadeslayerRiddell: copied over FF16 to the ff-kde ppa09:51
shadeslayerI guess alot of users are going to be happy :)09:52
shadeslayersigh10:17
shadeslayerI fear I might have screwed up the ff-kde git repo10:17
Riddelluh oh10:17
shadeslayerthough it's easily fixable10:18
shadeslayerbut I lose all the history and what not10:18
shadeslayerRiddell: ideally, should be something like this : https://github.com/shadeslayer/firefox-kde10:42
shadeslayerapachelogger: can I force push everything to the blue-shell repo?10:50
shadeslayersee this : https://github.com/shadeslayer/firefox-kde 10:50
BluesKajHiyas all12:30
ScottKshadeslayer: I'd rather wait until release to accept an update like kdevelop.12:49
shadeslayeroh ... okay12:50
ScottKyofel: Very helpful hint yesterday.  Thank you.  I was able to figure the proper fix from that and we got it into the release.12:50
ScottKRiddell: I removed the touchpad KCM issue from the draft release notes since it's fixed.12:51
Riddelllovely, thanks ScottK 12:56
yofel\o/12:58
shadeslayersigh, kdevelop still in build queue13:29
ScottKshadeslayer: Did you get a chance to look at my backtrace?13:30
shadeslayerI had a quick look, and it makes no sense to me13:30
shadeslayermaybe something in one of the 11 thread makes it crash, idk ... and I can't even reproduce the crash here13:31
ScottKYou click on page one and it works?13:32
shadeslayeryeah13:32
yofelshadeslayer: it'll crash once it runs OOM13:32
yofelthat's what it did here at least13:32
shadeslayeroh, I have to leave it running?13:32
shadeslayerso click page one > leave it like that?13:32
yofelI just didn't have enough memory on my eeePC to install the debug symbols in the tmpfs13:32
yofelyeah13:32
shadeslayer( my system is still responsive after clicking page one )13:32
yofelmy system is responsive too, just plasma not13:33
shadeslayerok, lets try it on a guest user13:33
ScottKshadeslayer: Did it actually switch to page one?13:33
shadeslayerScottK: I'm on precise btw13:33
ScottKAh, you won't have the problem then.13:33
shadeslayerwhy?13:33
ScottKAFAIK it only happens on quantal.13:33
shadeslayerright, so the question becomes, what's the difference between KDE packages in Quantal/Precise13:34
yofelcould be something from qt 4.8.3 looking at the trace13:34
yofelKDE nothing, but different Qt13:34
ScottKQt is the most likely suspect.13:34
shadeslayerhm, how about backporting Qt to precise to check if we can reproduce on precise?13:35
* shadeslayer is willing to test13:35
ScottKCertainly not an official backport.13:37
ScottKThat would be a good way to narrow it down though.13:37
shadeslayeraye13:38
shadeslayerI'll just upload to ninjas and see what it does13:38
Kalidarnshadeslayer: vpn thing is still working fine 100% a.okay14:39
shadeslayerKalidarn: there's a user in #kubuntu who is complaining about pptp vpns, can you check if you can help?14:40
Kalidarnhmm we never used pptp vpns14:40
Kalidarnonly cisco openconnect and openvpn14:40
Kalidarnpptp is best avoided, it's not secure14:40
Kalidarnhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point-to-Point_Tunneling_Protocol#Security14:44
ScottKSometimes you don't have a choice.  Can you go help them?14:45
Kalidarnyeah well, he didn't say how it's not working other than "its not working" :)14:47
kubotu::workspace-bugs:: [1061073] Desktop effects are slow and desktop corruption using mesa 9 @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1061073 (by Stefan Freyr)14:52
kubotu::workspace-bugs:: [1061073] Desktop effects are slow and desktop corruption using mesa 9 @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1061073 (by Stefan Freyr)15:54
Riddellapachelogger: you say you've seen that bug 1061073 ?15:58
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1061073 in mesa (Ubuntu) "Desktop effects are slow and desktop corruption using mesa 9" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106107315:58
Riddellug and mgraesslin has just posted to kubuntu-devel about it16:00
ScottKRiddell: He already blogged about it a few days ago.16:05
ScottKIt's probably a good idea to mention in the release notes.16:05
Riddellyeah16:13
ScottKRiddell: (from #ubuntu-x) <Sarvatt> ScottK, stefan``: was kde-workspace upgrading from 4.9 to 4.9.2 in the same timeframe ruled out? we've had mesa 9.0 snapshots going in for a few months and didn't have any reports of problems also, perhaps testing some of those to locate where the regression introduced might be helpful if it's really recent http://paste.ubuntu.com/1285353/16:35
ScottKThis seems like a reasonable approach.16:35
ScottKIs there someone who's got an affected system that could test the various downgrades and see if they can narrow it down.16:36
Riddellmm good idea16:39
ScottKstefan`` was someone on #ubuntu-x who had the problem.16:46
ScottKIt'd be good to keep an eye out for him here.16:47
* ScottK is AFK for awhile.16:47
ScottKWhoever accidentally published the release announcement to kubuntu.org, please don't do it again.16:55
ScottKI've fixed it.16:55
Riddellwibble, sorry16:55
ScottKNow really AFK.16:58
kubotu::workspace-bugs:: [1061073] Desktop effects are slow and desktop corruption using mesa 9 @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1061073 (by Stefan Freyr)16:59
* Riddell publishes http://blogs.kde.org/2012/10/17/kubuntu-not-released-yet17:00
Peace-mmm17:13
Peace-i suggest to read here https://plus.google.com/u/0/115606635748721265446/posts/JNWMBauCK9Y17:13
Peace-seems that kubuntu is seeen like a bad distro 17:14
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yofelPeace-: well, sadly this isn't the first time this happens, and repeated regressions do get on people's nerves17:16
Peace-for me kubuntu is fine and after i have created my stuff my settings there is no problems 17:17
Peace-but i have seen so much bad comments even from devs17:17
Peace-that it seems strange17:18
tsimpsonif you notice, people complain about Ubuntu rather than Kubuntu ;)17:19
Peace-xD17:19
Peace-aseigo said buntu stuff17:19
tsimpsonok, all *buntu's then, not just Kubuntu17:20
Riddell!testers17:21
ubottuTesting help needed in #kubuntu-devel ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, smartboyhw17:21
Riddellimages ^^17:21
* yofel hopes those are finally final17:21
yofelwill help in a bit, first I'll play with my raspi a bit, arrived today :P17:22
Peace-yofel: ah i am still waiting17:22
Peace-fro rpi17:22
shadeslayer:D17:27
* ScottK can do some i386 desktop stuff in a bit.17:43
Riddellproofreaders needed for https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-12.1018:53
Riddellthose that can see it18:53
soeeyohoho can't read it19:12
shadeslayerRiddell: http://i.imgur.com/7MQwV.png19:13
Riddellshadeslayer: cor, how's you do that?19:14
shadeslayerpython and dbus notifications19:15
shadeslayerI was annoyed at the work I had to do to keep a track of builds19:15
shadeslayerupload -> refresh -> check if build started -> refresn -> check if build completed 19:16
shadeslayerRiddell: rough implementation : http://paste.kde.org/572642/19:17
shadeslayercan't actually test it because LP's upload processor went down19:17
ScottKYou can do ISO testing.19:49
shadeslayermoi? Nah, I'm modifying it to use pynotify so you can open build logs from the notification19:57
* yofel does the amd64 tests19:58
ScottKThanks yofel.20:01
soeewow guys i must say homerun looks promosing20:11
ScottKshadeslayer: We kind of need you to do the amd64+mac testing.20:15
shadeslayerScottK: haven't we gone over this? It won't matter if it works on my machine because it's not targetted for my machine20:17
shadeslayerit's targetted for older macs which had some sort of weird boot issue20:17
ScottKOh.  Forgot.20:18
StFSHi. I just saw this message https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2012-October/006449.html and I have an affected system and I'm trying to pin down when this bug got introduced20:28
StFSScottK: I believe you're the author of that message :-)20:28
ScottKStFS: I am.20:29
ScottKGlad to see you.20:29
StFShttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa/+bug/1061073 here is the bug I reported on launchpad20:29
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1061073 in mesa (Ubuntu) "Desktop effects are slow and desktop corruption using mesa 9" [Undecided,Confirmed]20:29
ScottKStFS: Can you try older mesa versions and see if they are any better?  http://paste.ubuntu.com/1285353/20:30
StFSScottK: well I've been using 8.0.4 and that's been fine... I'm now trying to track down older versions of 9.0 and seeing if things are better there20:31
StFSScottK: and that's what I'm doing as we speak :)20:31
ScottKStFS: Perfect.20:31
StFSScottK: is it ok if I start with 20120903 (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa/9.0~git20120903.e1673d20.is.git20120821.c1114c61-0ubuntu1/+build/3770160)... if the problem is there there's not much use in trying out any of the newer ones (20120917 and 20121004)?20:36
ScottKStFS: Yes.  That's true.20:36
StFSScottK: ok I'm using 9.0-git20120903 now and it sucks :(. Major artifacts and the desktop effects are very slow.20:42
ScottKStFS: OK.  Thanks.  Please say so in the bug if you haven't.20:43
ScottKStFS: You might join #ubuntu-x as well.20:43
StFSok thanks20:44
StFSdo you know if this is an issue in ubuntu (gnome) as well?20:46
ScottKUnity's using GLES now, so it's apparently not an issue for them.  Dunno about Gnome Shell.20:48
StFSok20:50
StFSok... so forgive me for asking a dumb question (I really don't know much about all this stuff)... but in searching for some info I saw that there is something called kwin_gles. I just tried running "kwin_gles --replace" and that's much better... 20:52
StFSso the question is basically why kwin_gles is not the default? 20:53
ScottKI think because upstream didn't make it default yet.20:53
nixternalomg, i followed the press release and now the world just blew up :p20:54
ScottKnixternal: ?20:54
nixternalok, i just did an upgrade following the docs from 12.04 to 12.10 and it worked flawlessly20:54
nixternalwhat is the benefit of lightdm over kdm?20:55
ScottKGuest account and maintained, IIRC.20:55
ScottKRiddell would know.20:55
nixternalyeah, noticed that. glad you brought that up, found a hidden account that shouldn't be listed but it is. have to remove that account anyways20:56
ScottKThere's also some password change focus grab bugs missing from lightdm, which is nice.20:56
nixternaleasy way to switch back to kdm? i am not a fan of users being listed on the log in screen20:56
macoshouldn't that be configurable?20:57
yofellightdm has a simple login screen too20:57
yofelsee settings20:57
ScottKsudo apt-get install kdm && sudo apt-get remove light-dm20:57
nixternalw00t, just select "classic" in the settings and badda bing badda boom20:57
ScottKRiddell: plars may be able to do some amd64+mac testing, so there's hope for those images.20:57
nixternalthanks yofel 20:57
Riddellnixternal: how did you upgrade21:03
Riddelloh I see, need to change from LTS upgrade notification21:05
nixternalRiddell: I followed the instructions in your unintentional release post21:07
genii-aroundnixternal: Could you do a favour and check system settings... network and connectivity... sharing   and see if it groans about kcm_kio missing?21:08
genii-around( this happened to me on 12.04->12.10 )21:08
nixternalgenii-around: no groaning for me21:09
nixternalgenii-around: I don't have any smb shares anywhere on my network either21:09
genii-aroundOK, just wondered if it was an isolated incident.21:12
nixternalnow I just need to figure out how to stop lightdm from showing the last logged in user and I will be happy happy21:13
genii-aroundI think greeter-hide-users = True  just hides all the users21:17
genii-aroundnixternal: I just tested, it doesn't hide the users but doesn't let you see who was the last to login. The user on far left is default no matter which one last successfully signed on.21:22
yofelamd64 tests done21:24
nixternalnope, didn't hide the user :)  21:24
ScottKWho's doing armhf?21:25
shadeslayerI could potentially do a armhf upgrade on my tablet21:26
shadeslayerbut that's about it21:26
Riddellshadeslayer: oh? what tablet is that?21:26
shadeslayerTF10121:26
RiddellI can do armhf after this upgrade21:26
shadeslayerhas precise armhf + homerun on my tablet21:26
shadeslayerokay cool, I really don't want to disturb the setup on that tablet before UDS :P21:26
ScottKRiddell: Great.21:28
ScottKI found amd64+mac testers on #uubntu-testing, so I think we have everything covered (I'm doing i386 right now)21:28
Riddellgood coordination there21:29
shadeslayerI wonder what kind of hardware those folks have21:31
yofelsomeone should at the very least try to get some telepathy screenshots onto the feature-tour page, still has old kopete images21:31
* yofel sadly won't have time21:31
* ScottK is AFK for awhile.21:35
bolohey just read http://blogs.kde.org/2012/10/17/kubuntu-not-released-yet. 21:40
bolobugs that i found so far:21:40
bolocalligra icons seem to be outdated21:41
bololibreoffice applications dont work with the icon task plasmoid21:41
boloi have some strange white fragments on the screen. they apear some times but this migth be related to my  really new hardware (intel HD 4000)21:42
boloi have a launchpad account but i cant figure out how/were to report these bugs...21:43
Riddellthanks for testing bolo 21:44
Riddellare you using todays images?21:44
boloyesterdays21:44
boloupdated with apt21:44
Riddellthis sheets icon? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b9/Calligra_Sheets_icon.svg/128px-Calligra_Sheets_icon.svg.png21:45
boloit looks kde3 like21:45
Riddellhttp://cdn.alternativeto.net/i/1013aa83-60d6-df11-8b73-0200d897d049_20790.png ?21:46
boloyes the second one is the one i have21:47
boloi guess it should look like the first one21:47
Riddellcurious, but I would expect it to be an upstream issue21:48
Riddellwe seem to have a bunch of issues with intel suddently appeared e.g. bug 30843921:49
ubottuLaunchpad bug 277566 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #308439 canberra-gtk-play crashed with SIGSEGV in free()" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27756621:49
Riddellhmm21:49
Riddelloh kde bug 30843921:49
ubottuKDE bug 308439 in compositing "Realy slow drawing and artifacts with two displays and compositing on Intel" [Normal,Resolved: upstream] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30843921:49
Riddellin what way does libreoffice not work?21:50
Riddellwith icon taskbar 21:50
boloopen writer21:50
bologo to icon task bar -> pin it21:51
boloclose writer21:51
bolotry to launch it form the task bar again21:51
boloyou will get an "Open with" diaolog21:51
boloi  expected it to just open like all the other things21:51
boloupstream issiue ?21:52
Riddellprobably, we don't make any changes to it21:55
Riddellhi alaa 21:56
alaahello21:56
boloso i report bug  "libreoffice" and bug "calligra icons" on bko ?21:57
Riddellbolo: that's my current thinking, I'm unable to test as I'm in the middle of upgrades and other things22:00
Riddellhi linuxtech 22:07
linuxtechHi, I just read the announcement about 12.10, and the retraction...  I usually upgrade a machine or half dozen prior to the release date...22:08
macoRiddell: did you read your calendar wrong or something?22:08
alaaok,so when's the awesome kubuntu 12.10 will be released ?22:09
macothe release date isnt til tomorrow22:09
macoand as usual the line is "at some point while it is $release_date in at least one time zone on the planet Terra in the system Sol"22:10
macoso there's about 33 more hours during which it could be released22:11
shadeslayerhow odd that we don't have a release name for R yet22:11
Riddellmaco: no, I just didn't untick the Published box, sigh22:11
tsimpsonthere is #ubuntu-release-party if you want to join in the mass hysteria22:12
genii-aroundHeh. It's been quiet in there for about 4 hours22:12
yofelshadeslayer: I kinda wonder what they'll upload the toolchain against...22:12
linuxtechOne of the reasons I like to upgrade prior to the official release is the repository servers are very slow and unreliable after a release, and that can go on for a few days to a week or more.22:12
boloi found another one22:13
bolothe networkmanager applet displays vpn options. but they dont work unless you install say networkmanger-vpnc22:14
bolothere is no visual feedback22:14
boloit just does nothing when you klick on the vpn button22:14
shadeslayerhm, I guess we should ship nm-vpnc by default then>22:15
shadeslayers/>/?/22:15
kubotushadeslayer meant: "hm, I guess we should ship nm-vpnc by default then?"22:15
shadeslayeror patch nm-kde to ask the user to install it22:15
linuxtechhttp://www.kubuntu.org/news/1210-quantal-quetzal-beta-2-out does not show anything about what or where we might report the results of upgrading or reinstall.  I know Canonical has put a lot of effort into building tests, but where do we report the results?22:17
shadeslayerlinuxtech: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/22:18
shadeslayer->sleep()22:18
ScottKlinuxtech: Generally bugs against KDE packages that are in the upstream code should be reported on bugs.kde.org.  Packaging issues and things on other packages should be reported in launchpad.22:19
ScottKRiddell: Were yo uplanning on doing the active test case?  Forgot to ask about that.22:21
linuxtechOK Thanks.  I keep expecting Canonical to release a separate testing package that would help people report results...22:21
RiddellScottK: yeah can do22:21
ScottKGreat.  Closing in on it.22:21
ScottKyofel: Can you do the amd64 upgrade test?22:23
yofelhm, yeah, should be fast, I'll do it22:23
ScottKThanks.22:23
* ScottK is doing i38622:23
RiddellI'm just completeing amd64 upgrade22:24
ScottKyofel: ^^^ nevermind22:28
yofelah good22:28
ScottKapachelogger: We've had https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/phonon-backend-gstreamer/4:4.7.0really4.6.2-0ubuntu0.1 in -proposed for over a month.  Can you motivate some bug verification so we can get it released?22:33
bolohow shoud we proceed with the nm-vpnc thing ?22:40
bolois there anything i can do ?22:40
Riddellbolo: add to http://notes.kde.org/kubuntu-uds22:40
bolodone22:44
boloi had a look at the archlinux packagaes of sheets. they ship the same "old" icons. will report it as an upstream bug now 22:45
valorieyay, the touchpad upgrade came up in a regular22:48
valorieapt-upgrade22:48
ScottKYeah, I got it pushed into the final release.22:50
valorie\o/22:50
valorienow to fix my lil netbook before the mentor summit22:51
Riddellvalorie: what problem did you have?22:54
valoriebotched upgrade -- now it won't boot22:55
valorieit's on the KDE loading screen with the dots forever22:55
valorieI've dl'd the daily last night and will burn a USB if I can't fix it with the help of #ubuntu+1 today22:56
valorieupgrading this laptop went perfectly22:57
Riddellwibble22:57
RiddellJontheEchidna: how to force the notifier to check for a new distro release?23:03
Riddellother than stopping and starting the kded module23:04
JontheEchidnaRiddell: start the Muon Update Manager. It does a manual check each time it starts up23:04
JontheEchidnawill look like this: http://i.imgur.com/Elzk8.png23:05
JontheEchidnawith desktop effects: http://i.imgur.com/3s443.png23:06
JontheEchidnabetter, a screenshot with desktop effects with an up-to-date system :P http://i.imgur.com/iklF6.png23:08
Riddelljust the screeenshot I needed23:09
Riddellhow's this? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/QuantalUpgrades/Kubuntu23:09
JontheEchidnalooks good to me23:10
Riddellthanks23:10
Riddellyay arm works23:17
valoriecool, after autoclean and then clean, the install -f seems to be working on the netbook23:42
ScottKRiddell: We're 100% on tests now.23:53

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