[00:47] <bolo> calligrasheets has the wrong (old) icon. do i report this bug to launchpad or to bko ?
[00:57] <ScottK> valorie: netbook is working here.
[02:38] <kitterma> shadeslayer: Updated backtrace: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1284278/
[02:43] <ScottK> shadeslayer: It's KDE bug 307988
[03:35] <ScottK> valorie: You should be able to install kde-config-touchpad from quantal-proposed now or very shortly.  It's accepted/built.
[04:29] <shadeslayer> ScottK: can I upload kdevelop to -proposed?
[04:29] <shadeslayer> I'll be working on it right now
[04:30] <ScottK> yes.  with all the sru paperwork
[04:30] <shadeslayer> right
[04:50] <apachelogger> <3 sru paperwork
[04:55] <shadeslayer> :P
[04:58] <shadeslayer> hopefully I can get away with just using one meta bug against kdevelop for the entire kdevelop upload ;)
[05:51] <shadeslayer> ScottK: can you approve bug 1067611 for R-Series?
[06:13] <shadeslayer> Could someone test firefox 16 with kde patches from ppa:rohangarg/experimental?
[08:36] <Riddell> only 1 day to go!
[09:09] <Riddell> shadeslayer: firefox 16 working with kde file dialogue here
[09:38] <shadeslayer> \o/
[09:51] <shadeslayer> Riddell: copied over FF16 to the ff-kde ppa
[09:52] <shadeslayer> I guess alot of users are going to be happy :)
[10:17] <shadeslayer> sigh
[10:17] <shadeslayer> I fear I might have screwed up the ff-kde git repo
[10:17] <Riddell> uh oh
[10:18] <shadeslayer> though it's easily fixable
[10:18] <shadeslayer> but I lose all the history and what not
[10:42] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ideally, should be something like this : https://github.com/shadeslayer/firefox-kde
[10:50] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: can I force push everything to the blue-shell repo?
[10:50] <shadeslayer> see this : https://github.com/shadeslayer/firefox-kde 
[12:30] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:49] <ScottK> shadeslayer: I'd rather wait until release to accept an update like kdevelop.
[12:50] <shadeslayer> oh ... okay
[12:50] <ScottK> yofel: Very helpful hint yesterday.  Thank you.  I was able to figure the proper fix from that and we got it into the release.
[12:51] <ScottK> Riddell: I removed the touchpad KCM issue from the draft release notes since it's fixed.
[12:56] <Riddell> lovely, thanks ScottK 
[12:58] <yofel> \o/
[13:29] <shadeslayer> sigh, kdevelop still in build queue
[13:30] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Did you get a chance to look at my backtrace?
[13:30] <shadeslayer> I had a quick look, and it makes no sense to me
[13:31] <shadeslayer> maybe something in one of the 11 thread makes it crash, idk ... and I can't even reproduce the crash here
[13:32] <ScottK> You click on page one and it works?
[13:32] <shadeslayer> yeah
[13:32] <yofel> shadeslayer: it'll crash once it runs OOM
[13:32] <yofel> that's what it did here at least
[13:32] <shadeslayer> oh, I have to leave it running?
[13:32] <shadeslayer> so click page one > leave it like that?
[13:32] <yofel> I just didn't have enough memory on my eeePC to install the debug symbols in the tmpfs
[13:32] <yofel> yeah
[13:32] <shadeslayer> ( my system is still responsive after clicking page one )
[13:33] <yofel> my system is responsive too, just plasma not
[13:33] <shadeslayer> ok, lets try it on a guest user
[13:33] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Did it actually switch to page one?
[13:33] <shadeslayer> ScottK: I'm on precise btw
[13:33] <ScottK> Ah, you won't have the problem then.
[13:33] <shadeslayer> why?
[13:33] <ScottK> AFAIK it only happens on quantal.
[13:34] <shadeslayer> right, so the question becomes, what's the difference between KDE packages in Quantal/Precise
[13:34] <yofel> could be something from qt 4.8.3 looking at the trace
[13:34] <yofel> KDE nothing, but different Qt
[13:34] <ScottK> Qt is the most likely suspect.
[13:35] <shadeslayer> hm, how about backporting Qt to precise to check if we can reproduce on precise?
[13:35]  * shadeslayer is willing to test
[13:37] <ScottK> Certainly not an official backport.
[13:37] <ScottK> That would be a good way to narrow it down though.
[13:38] <shadeslayer> aye
[13:38] <shadeslayer> I'll just upload to ninjas and see what it does
[14:39] <Kalidarn> shadeslayer: vpn thing is still working fine 100% a.okay
[14:40] <shadeslayer> Kalidarn: there's a user in #kubuntu who is complaining about pptp vpns, can you check if you can help?
[14:40] <Kalidarn> hmm we never used pptp vpns
[14:40] <Kalidarn> only cisco openconnect and openvpn
[14:40] <Kalidarn> pptp is best avoided, it's not secure
[14:44] <Kalidarn> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point-to-Point_Tunneling_Protocol#Security
[14:45] <ScottK> Sometimes you don't have a choice.  Can you go help them?
[14:47] <Kalidarn> yeah well, he didn't say how it's not working other than "its not working" :)
[14:52] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1061073] Desktop effects are slow and desktop corruption using mesa 9 @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1061073 (by Stefan Freyr)
[15:54] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1061073] Desktop effects are slow and desktop corruption using mesa 9 @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1061073 (by Stefan Freyr)
[15:58] <Riddell> apachelogger: you say you've seen that bug 1061073 ?
[16:00] <Riddell> ug and mgraesslin has just posted to kubuntu-devel about it
[16:05] <ScottK> Riddell: He already blogged about it a few days ago.
[16:05] <ScottK> It's probably a good idea to mention in the release notes.
[16:13] <Riddell> yeah
[16:35] <ScottK> Riddell: (from #ubuntu-x) <Sarvatt> ScottK, stefan``: was kde-workspace upgrading from 4.9 to 4.9.2 in the same timeframe ruled out? we've had mesa 9.0 snapshots going in for a few months and didn't have any reports of problems also, perhaps testing some of those to locate where the regression introduced might be helpful if it's really recent http://paste.ubuntu.com/1285353/
[16:35] <ScottK> This seems like a reasonable approach.
[16:36] <ScottK> Is there someone who's got an affected system that could test the various downgrades and see if they can narrow it down.
[16:39] <Riddell> mm good idea
[16:46] <ScottK> stefan`` was someone on #ubuntu-x who had the problem.
[16:47] <ScottK> It'd be good to keep an eye out for him here.
[16:47]  * ScottK is AFK for awhile.
[16:55] <ScottK> Whoever accidentally published the release announcement to kubuntu.org, please don't do it again.
[16:55] <ScottK> I've fixed it.
[16:55] <Riddell> wibble, sorry
[16:58] <ScottK> Now really AFK.
[16:59] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1061073] Desktop effects are slow and desktop corruption using mesa 9 @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1061073 (by Stefan Freyr)
[17:00]  * Riddell publishes http://blogs.kde.org/2012/10/17/kubuntu-not-released-yet
[17:13] <Peace-> mmm
[17:13] <Peace-> i suggest to read here https://plus.google.com/u/0/115606635748721265446/posts/JNWMBauCK9Y
[17:14] <Peace-> seems that kubuntu is seeen like a bad distro 
[17:16] <yofel> Peace-: well, sadly this isn't the first time this happens, and repeated regressions do get on people's nerves
[17:17] <Peace-> for me kubuntu is fine and after i have created my stuff my settings there is no problems 
[17:17] <Peace-> but i have seen so much bad comments even from devs
[17:18] <Peace-> that it seems strange
[17:19] <tsimpson> if you notice, people complain about Ubuntu rather than Kubuntu ;)
[17:19] <Peace-> xD
[17:19] <Peace-> aseigo said buntu stuff
[17:20] <tsimpson> ok, all *buntu's then, not just Kubuntu
[17:21] <Riddell> !testers
[17:21] <Riddell> images ^^
[17:21]  * yofel hopes those are finally final
[17:22] <yofel> will help in a bit, first I'll play with my raspi a bit, arrived today :P
[17:22] <Peace-> yofel: ah i am still waiting
[17:22] <Peace-> fro rpi
[17:27] <shadeslayer> :D
[17:43]  * ScottK can do some i386 desktop stuff in a bit.
[18:53] <Riddell> proofreaders needed for https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-12.10
[18:53] <Riddell> those that can see it
[19:12] <soee> yohoho can't read it
[19:13] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://i.imgur.com/7MQwV.png
[19:14] <Riddell> shadeslayer: cor, how's you do that?
[19:15] <shadeslayer> python and dbus notifications
[19:15] <shadeslayer> I was annoyed at the work I had to do to keep a track of builds
[19:16] <shadeslayer> upload -> refresh -> check if build started -> refresn -> check if build completed 
[19:17] <shadeslayer> Riddell: rough implementation : http://paste.kde.org/572642/
[19:17] <shadeslayer> can't actually test it because LP's upload processor went down
[19:49] <ScottK> You can do ISO testing.
[19:57] <shadeslayer> moi? Nah, I'm modifying it to use pynotify so you can open build logs from the notification
[19:58]  * yofel does the amd64 tests
[20:01] <ScottK> Thanks yofel.
[20:11] <soee> wow guys i must say homerun looks promosing
[20:15] <ScottK> shadeslayer: We kind of need you to do the amd64+mac testing.
[20:17] <shadeslayer> ScottK: haven't we gone over this? It won't matter if it works on my machine because it's not targetted for my machine
[20:17] <shadeslayer> it's targetted for older macs which had some sort of weird boot issue
[20:18] <ScottK> Oh.  Forgot.
[20:28] <StFS> Hi. I just saw this message https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2012-October/006449.html and I have an affected system and I'm trying to pin down when this bug got introduced
[20:28] <StFS> ScottK: I believe you're the author of that message :-)
[20:29] <ScottK> StFS: I am.
[20:29] <ScottK> Glad to see you.
[20:29] <StFS> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa/+bug/1061073 here is the bug I reported on launchpad
[20:30] <ScottK> StFS: Can you try older mesa versions and see if they are any better?  http://paste.ubuntu.com/1285353/
[20:31] <StFS> ScottK: well I've been using 8.0.4 and that's been fine... I'm now trying to track down older versions of 9.0 and seeing if things are better there
[20:31] <StFS> ScottK: and that's what I'm doing as we speak :)
[20:31] <ScottK> StFS: Perfect.
[20:36] <StFS> ScottK: is it ok if I start with 20120903 (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa/9.0~git20120903.e1673d20.is.git20120821.c1114c61-0ubuntu1/+build/3770160)... if the problem is there there's not much use in trying out any of the newer ones (20120917 and 20121004)?
[20:36] <ScottK> StFS: Yes.  That's true.
[20:42] <StFS> ScottK: ok I'm using 9.0-git20120903 now and it sucks :(. Major artifacts and the desktop effects are very slow.
[20:43] <ScottK> StFS: OK.  Thanks.  Please say so in the bug if you haven't.
[20:43] <ScottK> StFS: You might join #ubuntu-x as well.
[20:44] <StFS> ok thanks
[20:46] <StFS> do you know if this is an issue in ubuntu (gnome) as well?
[20:48] <ScottK> Unity's using GLES now, so it's apparently not an issue for them.  Dunno about Gnome Shell.
[20:50] <StFS> ok
[20:52] <StFS> ok... so forgive me for asking a dumb question (I really don't know much about all this stuff)... but in searching for some info I saw that there is something called kwin_gles. I just tried running "kwin_gles --replace" and that's much better... 
[20:53] <StFS> so the question is basically why kwin_gles is not the default? 
[20:53] <ScottK> I think because upstream didn't make it default yet.
[20:54] <nixternal> omg, i followed the press release and now the world just blew up :p
[20:54] <ScottK> nixternal: ?
[20:54] <nixternal> ok, i just did an upgrade following the docs from 12.04 to 12.10 and it worked flawlessly
[20:55] <nixternal> what is the benefit of lightdm over kdm?
[20:55] <ScottK> Guest account and maintained, IIRC.
[20:55] <ScottK> Riddell would know.
[20:56] <nixternal> yeah, noticed that. glad you brought that up, found a hidden account that shouldn't be listed but it is. have to remove that account anyways
[20:56] <ScottK> There's also some password change focus grab bugs missing from lightdm, which is nice.
[20:56] <nixternal> easy way to switch back to kdm? i am not a fan of users being listed on the log in screen
[20:57] <maco> shouldn't that be configurable?
[20:57] <yofel> lightdm has a simple login screen too
[20:57] <yofel> see settings
[20:57] <ScottK> sudo apt-get install kdm && sudo apt-get remove light-dm
[20:57] <nixternal> w00t, just select "classic" in the settings and badda bing badda boom
[20:57] <ScottK> Riddell: plars may be able to do some amd64+mac testing, so there's hope for those images.
[20:57] <nixternal> thanks yofel 
[21:03] <Riddell> nixternal: how did you upgrade
[21:05] <Riddell> oh I see, need to change from LTS upgrade notification
[21:07] <nixternal> Riddell: I followed the instructions in your unintentional release post
[21:08] <genii-around> nixternal: Could you do a favour and check system settings... network and connectivity... sharing   and see if it groans about kcm_kio missing?
[21:08] <genii-around> ( this happened to me on 12.04->12.10 )
[21:09] <nixternal> genii-around: no groaning for me
[21:09] <nixternal> genii-around: I don't have any smb shares anywhere on my network either
[21:12] <genii-around> OK, just wondered if it was an isolated incident.
[21:13] <nixternal> now I just need to figure out how to stop lightdm from showing the last logged in user and I will be happy happy
[21:17] <genii-around> I think greeter-hide-users = True  just hides all the users
[21:22] <genii-around> nixternal: I just tested, it doesn't hide the users but doesn't let you see who was the last to login. The user on far left is default no matter which one last successfully signed on.
[21:24] <yofel> amd64 tests done
[21:24] <nixternal> nope, didn't hide the user :)  
[21:25] <ScottK> Who's doing armhf?
[21:26] <shadeslayer> I could potentially do a armhf upgrade on my tablet
[21:26] <shadeslayer> but that's about it
[21:26] <Riddell> shadeslayer: oh? what tablet is that?
[21:26] <shadeslayer> TF101
[21:26] <Riddell> I can do armhf after this upgrade
[21:26] <shadeslayer> has precise armhf + homerun on my tablet
[21:26] <shadeslayer> okay cool, I really don't want to disturb the setup on that tablet before UDS :P
[21:28] <ScottK> Riddell: Great.
[21:28] <ScottK> I found amd64+mac testers on #uubntu-testing, so I think we have everything covered (I'm doing i386 right now)
[21:29] <Riddell> good coordination there
[21:31] <shadeslayer> I wonder what kind of hardware those folks have
[21:31] <yofel> someone should at the very least try to get some telepathy screenshots onto the feature-tour page, still has old kopete images
[21:31]  * yofel sadly won't have time
[21:35]  * ScottK is AFK for awhile.
[21:40] <bolo> hey just read http://blogs.kde.org/2012/10/17/kubuntu-not-released-yet. 
[21:40] <bolo> bugs that i found so far:
[21:41] <bolo> calligra icons seem to be outdated
[21:41] <bolo> libreoffice applications dont work with the icon task plasmoid
[21:42] <bolo> i have some strange white fragments on the screen. they apear some times but this migth be related to my  really new hardware (intel HD 4000)
[21:43] <bolo> i have a launchpad account but i cant figure out how/were to report these bugs...
[21:44] <Riddell> thanks for testing bolo 
[21:44] <Riddell> are you using todays images?
[21:44] <bolo> yesterdays
[21:44] <bolo> updated with apt
[21:45] <Riddell> this sheets icon? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b9/Calligra_Sheets_icon.svg/128px-Calligra_Sheets_icon.svg.png
[21:45] <bolo> it looks kde3 like
[21:46] <Riddell> http://cdn.alternativeto.net/i/1013aa83-60d6-df11-8b73-0200d897d049_20790.png ?
[21:47] <bolo> yes the second one is the one i have
[21:47] <bolo> i guess it should look like the first one
[21:48] <Riddell> curious, but I would expect it to be an upstream issue
[21:49] <Riddell> we seem to have a bunch of issues with intel suddently appeared e.g. bug 308439
[21:49] <Riddell> hmm
[21:49] <Riddell> oh kde bug 308439
[21:50] <Riddell> in what way does libreoffice not work?
[21:50] <Riddell> with icon taskbar 
[21:50] <bolo> open writer
[21:51] <bolo> go to icon task bar -> pin it
[21:51] <bolo> close writer
[21:51] <bolo> try to launch it form the task bar again
[21:51] <bolo> you will get an "Open with" diaolog
[21:51] <bolo> i  expected it to just open like all the other things
[21:52] <bolo> upstream issiue ?
[21:55] <Riddell> probably, we don't make any changes to it
[21:56] <Riddell> hi alaa 
[21:56] <alaa> hello
[21:57] <bolo> so i report bug  "libreoffice" and bug "calligra icons" on bko ?
[22:00] <Riddell> bolo: that's my current thinking, I'm unable to test as I'm in the middle of upgrades and other things
[22:07] <Riddell> hi linuxtech 
[22:08] <linuxtech> Hi, I just read the announcement about 12.10, and the retraction...  I usually upgrade a machine or half dozen prior to the release date...
[22:08] <maco> Riddell: did you read your calendar wrong or something?
[22:09] <alaa> ok,so when's the awesome kubuntu 12.10 will be released ?
[22:09] <maco> the release date isnt til tomorrow
[22:10] <maco> and as usual the line is "at some point while it is $release_date in at least one time zone on the planet Terra in the system Sol"
[22:11] <maco> so there's about 33 more hours during which it could be released
[22:11] <shadeslayer> how odd that we don't have a release name for R yet
[22:11] <Riddell> maco: no, I just didn't untick the Published box, sigh
[22:12] <tsimpson> there is #ubuntu-release-party if you want to join in the mass hysteria
[22:12] <genii-around> Heh. It's been quiet in there for about 4 hours
[22:12] <yofel> shadeslayer: I kinda wonder what they'll upload the toolchain against...
[22:12] <linuxtech> One of the reasons I like to upgrade prior to the official release is the repository servers are very slow and unreliable after a release, and that can go on for a few days to a week or more.
[22:13] <bolo> i found another one
[22:14] <bolo> the networkmanager applet displays vpn options. but they dont work unless you install say networkmanger-vpnc
[22:14] <bolo> there is no visual feedback
[22:14] <bolo> it just does nothing when you klick on the vpn button
[22:15] <shadeslayer> hm, I guess we should ship nm-vpnc by default then>
[22:15] <shadeslayer> s/>/?/
[22:15] <kubotu> shadeslayer meant: "hm, I guess we should ship nm-vpnc by default then?"
[22:15] <shadeslayer> or patch nm-kde to ask the user to install it
[22:17] <linuxtech> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/1210-quantal-quetzal-beta-2-out does not show anything about what or where we might report the results of upgrading or reinstall.  I know Canonical has put a lot of effort into building tests, but where do we report the results?
[22:18] <shadeslayer> linuxtech: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[22:18] <shadeslayer> ->sleep()
[22:19] <ScottK> linuxtech: Generally bugs against KDE packages that are in the upstream code should be reported on bugs.kde.org.  Packaging issues and things on other packages should be reported in launchpad.
[22:21] <ScottK> Riddell: Were yo uplanning on doing the active test case?  Forgot to ask about that.
[22:21] <linuxtech> OK Thanks.  I keep expecting Canonical to release a separate testing package that would help people report results...
[22:21] <Riddell> ScottK: yeah can do
[22:21] <ScottK> Great.  Closing in on it.
[22:23] <ScottK> yofel: Can you do the amd64 upgrade test?
[22:23] <yofel> hm, yeah, should be fast, I'll do it
[22:23] <ScottK> Thanks.
[22:23]  * ScottK is doing i386
[22:24] <Riddell> I'm just completeing amd64 upgrade
[22:28] <ScottK> yofel: ^^^ nevermind
[22:28] <yofel> ah good
[22:33] <ScottK> apachelogger: We've had https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/phonon-backend-gstreamer/4:4.7.0really4.6.2-0ubuntu0.1 in -proposed for over a month.  Can you motivate some bug verification so we can get it released?
[22:40] <bolo> how shoud we proceed with the nm-vpnc thing ?
[22:40] <bolo> is there anything i can do ?
[22:40] <Riddell> bolo: add to http://notes.kde.org/kubuntu-uds
[22:44] <bolo> done
[22:45] <bolo> i had a look at the archlinux packagaes of sheets. they ship the same "old" icons. will report it as an upstream bug now 
[22:48] <valorie> yay, the touchpad upgrade came up in a regular
[22:48] <valorie> apt-upgrade
[22:50] <ScottK> Yeah, I got it pushed into the final release.
[22:50] <valorie> \o/
[22:51] <valorie> now to fix my lil netbook before the mentor summit
[22:54] <Riddell> valorie: what problem did you have?
[22:55] <valorie> botched upgrade -- now it won't boot
[22:55] <valorie> it's on the KDE loading screen with the dots forever
[22:56] <valorie> I've dl'd the daily last night and will burn a USB if I can't fix it with the help of #ubuntu+1 today
[22:57] <valorie> upgrading this laptop went perfectly
[22:57] <Riddell> wibble
[23:03] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: how to force the notifier to check for a new distro release?
[23:04] <Riddell> other than stopping and starting the kded module
[23:04] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: start the Muon Update Manager. It does a manual check each time it starts up
[23:05] <JontheEchidna> will look like this: http://i.imgur.com/Elzk8.png
[23:06] <JontheEchidna> with desktop effects: http://i.imgur.com/3s443.png
[23:08] <JontheEchidna> better, a screenshot with desktop effects with an up-to-date system :P http://i.imgur.com/iklF6.png
[23:09] <Riddell> just the screeenshot I needed
[23:09] <Riddell> how's this? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/QuantalUpgrades/Kubuntu
[23:10] <JontheEchidna> looks good to me
[23:10] <Riddell> thanks
[23:17] <Riddell> yay arm works
[23:42] <valorie> cool, after autoclean and then clean, the install -f seems to be working on the netbook
[23:53] <ScottK> Riddell: We're 100% on tests now.