[01:27] <joiseystud> anyone know where the link is to the section on Ubuntus site where you can find the latest ISO built?  Maybe it was on launchpad.  Not Sure.  I was there the other day but never bookmarked.
[01:29] <bjsnider> !daily
[02:46] <khamer> I'm using iwlwifi and trying to connect to my home G network; it worked perfectly at work connect to an N network, any thoughts, even on how to turn up the debugging? dmesg just shows deauthentication from ... by local choice (reason=3), but I temporarily made the network open
[06:05] <yepwatermelon> okay
[06:05] <yepwatermelon> I'm here now
[06:05] <yepwatermelon> X
[06:05] <yepwatermelon> XD
[06:06] <wilee-nilee> yepwatermelon, To purge and reinstall grub run sudo apt-get purge grub grub-pc grub-common && sudo apt-get install grub-pc grub-common  then when asked where grub goes put it in the mbr not a partition
[06:06] <wilee-nilee> you can copy and paste that whole command
[06:08] <wilee-nilee> after installed I would run sudo-update-grub as well just to be sure
[06:08] <yepwatermelon> hopefully this'll work then, I've been trying to customize it for about 3-4 hours now and its been refusing to update, after a while I finally just lost my bootflags and couldn't get them back either :/
[06:08] <yepwatermelon> thanks
[06:09] <wilee-nilee> yepwatermelon, No problem, do you have more than one OS?
[06:09] <yepwatermelon> no
[06:09] <yepwatermelon> this is the only one
[06:09] <wilee-nilee> coo
[06:09] <wilee-nilee> cool
[06:10] <yepwatermelon> I'll reboot and check back in if it doesn't fail catastrophically XD
[06:10] <wilee-nilee> yepwatermelon, cool
[06:12] <yepwatermelon> okay it worked
[06:12] <yepwatermelon> one question though
[06:12] <yepwatermelon> its back to hiding grub when I start it up
[06:13] <wilee-nilee> yepwatermelon, That is normal what is it that you want?
[06:13] <yepwatermelon> does Ubuntu override any of the options I input into /etc/default/grub somehow?
[06:13] <yepwatermelon> because that's the file I've been using
[06:14] <wilee-nilee> yepwatermelon, You just have to run a update-grub when you change that file.
[06:14] <yepwatermelon> I do and it doesn't change colors or apply half of my options.
[06:14] <wilee-nilee> yepwatermelon, There is a thread at the ubuntu forums on making custom grub splashes.
[06:17] <wilee-nilee> yepwatermelon, here is the one I am thinking of I would look for any references to the grub in 12.10 is all  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1823915
[06:18] <yepwatermelon> would there be any differences between the 12.10 version and earlier ones?
[06:19] <wilee-nilee> yepwatermelon, 12.10 is 2.0, 12.04 is 1.99, not much difference I suspect but one never knows.
[06:19] <wilee-nilee> as far as dealing with grub2
[06:19] <wilee-nilee> personally I just use burg
[06:20] <yepwatermelon> Possibly so. I've been using grub-customizer for most of my changes. I did eventually resort to manual edits but I just based them off of what the customizer outputted. Maybe it hasn't been updated to handle 2.0 yet.
[06:20] <wilee-nilee> yepwatermelon, I wondered about that with the customizer the PPA will tell you if it supports 12.10
[06:21] <xrfang> I have very uncomfortable slow animation of window maximize /minimize and all sort of unity effects.  how to fix that?
[06:22] <wilee-nilee> yepwatermelon, The PPA shows quantal as supported.
[06:37] <yepwatermelon> wilee-nilee, grub-customizer appears to be broken in general I retried it one more time and it did the same things, no color changes and if I don't hit escape during the boot process it'll show a purple splash screen all the way through and I'm forced to reboot
[06:38] <yepwatermelon> like it actually played the login sound when lightdm loads and the purple splash was still stuck in place
[06:38] <yepwatermelon> so I purged and reinstalled once more and its working fine
[06:38] <wilee-nilee> yepwatermelon, Bummer I have never messed with customizing grub so I can't really help here, but that thread I posted might be a place to post for help.
[07:41] <ghabit> guys, hello.
[07:42] <ghabit> Help me please. Cannot install ubuntu. I am running installator - choosing language, and when I'm trying to choose myself where to install ubuntu installer crashes.
[07:45] <bazhang> md5 the iso?
[07:45] <vega-> xrfang: me too
[07:45] <vega-> xrfang: dead slow
[07:45] <bazhang> burn at low speed then do the disk integrity check?
[07:45] <bazhang> sounds like a corrupt iso or bad burn. possibly shoddy media
[07:46] <ghabit> I have checked this possibility.
[07:46] <ghabit> ubiquity says:
[07:47] <ghabit> "ubuquity crashed with AttibuteError in get_grub_choise(): 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'split'
[07:47] <ghabit> maybe it is because i was done rm -rf for root directory before installing new version?
[07:47] <ghabit> How to 'clean' mbr from livecd ubuntu?
[07:48] <xrfang> vega-, I suspect it has something to do with nvidia driver? what's your hardware?
[07:48] <vega-> xrfang: nvidia, using binary drivers
[07:49] <xrfang> because my laptop using amd is ok
[07:49] <vega-> xrfang: i think i've also solved the issue, i just ordered a macbook air and going to stop using ubuntu :)
[07:50] <xrfang> I hate apple
[07:52] <vega-> yeah, but it just works nicely. Kinda sad though, been using linux since 1993
[07:55] <ghabit> anyone help please. I cannot even make install usb now because of errors.
[07:55] <ghabit> No working system here.
[07:58] <bazhang> ghabit, md5 the iso yet?
[07:59] <bazhang> ghabit, that is the most basic first step
[08:00] <ghabit> bazhang, 0c1f9caad8725324a2048462409a1052
[08:00] <bazhang> ghabit, does it match?
[08:02] <ghabit> bazhang, 0c1f9caad8725324a2048462409a1052 *quantal-desktop-amd64.iso - this is original one, from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20121016.1/MD5SUMS, so yes, it is match.
[08:03] <ghabit> the problem is i cannot even make any other liveusb now because of errors :(
[08:03] <bazhang> ghabit, how did you put it on usb
[08:05] <ghabit> bazhang, using tuniversal-usb-installer on windows.
[08:05] <ghabit> my mistake was rm -rf before installing new version.
[08:07] <ghabit> bazhang, there is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1067566 bugreport with fix commited, is it possible to install fixed package right on live sesstion?
[08:10] <ghabit> as I understood I must replace /usr/lib/ubiquity/plugins/ubi-partman.py file.
[08:10] <ghabit> But http://paste.ubuntu.com/1284298/plain/ all this @@ + and - -I don't know how to use them.
[08:14] <ghabit> I have googled it can be used with 'patch', right? :)
[08:14]  * ghabit reading man patch.
[08:15] <bazhang> for the release iso?
[08:15] <bazhang> that should never be needed
[08:15] <ghabit> is the release iso avaiable allready?
[08:15] <ghabit> yep! patch is working!
[08:16] <bazhang> if the install iso is that flawed, then they would delay release rather than have people patch something
[08:17] <bazhang> well, thats my point; if what is up currently is planned on being the release iso, and it is that badly compromised, then it wont be the release iso
[08:17] <ghabit> Sound logical.
[08:22] <ghabit> <3 ubuntu. :)
[09:10] <peto_> hi
[10:54] <erle-> will there be no RC?
[10:54] <erle-> is tomorrow release or RC?
[10:54] <peto_> erle-, yes
[11:16] <minimec> Hi. There is this new driver 'udldrmfb' for displaylink devices. Has anyone here tested this thing? I have a lenovo external usb Monitor, and the device seems to be recognized and attached as /dev/fb1. Now I would like to know if I have to configure the device in /etc/xorg.conf, because it is not recognized by xrandr.
[12:31] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:36] <philinux> BluesKaj: afternoon,
[12:38] <BluesKaj> "morning philinux :)
[12:39] <philinux> timezones eh lol
[12:39] <BluesKaj> yup
[12:40] <BluesKaj> EDT here , Ontario Canada
[12:40] <philinux> BluesKaj: not long to RR now eh
[12:41] <philinux> BluesKaj: early morning then eh
[12:41] <IdleOne> nothing like a stereotype eh
[12:41] <BluesKaj> yeah , just having morning coffee ..RR?
[12:42] <IdleOne> 13.04 Raging Rhino
[12:42] <BluesKaj> ok , I'd better get used to that :)
[12:43] <IdleOne> hehe, on't they usually announce the new name before release?
[12:43] <IdleOne> don't*
[12:43] <Ashael> hello
[12:43] <IdleOne> Hello
[12:43] <Ashael> is 12.10 coming out tomorrow as expected?
[12:43] <IdleOne> We expect it to, yes.
[12:44] <BluesKaj> I didn't bother checking about the next release
[12:44] <Ashael> should i upgrade from 12.04?
[12:44] <Ashael> what are the changes?
[12:44] <BluesKaj> I thought it would be another silly name
[12:45] <philinux> Ashael: look here http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=12283981&postcount=94
[12:45] <IdleOne> BluesKaj: I have no idea what the next one will be called. I made that up.
[12:45] <Ashael> danke
[12:45] <BluesKaj> check the release notes
[12:46] <yofel> Usually the new name should be out very soonish. Simply for the fact that the package changelogs need the release codename ^^
[12:46] <philinux> IdleOne: yup MS has not revealed it yet. I guess it will come out at UDS
[12:46] <philinux> or sooner
[12:46] <BluesKaj> actually that's not a bad suggextion IdleOne , considering the dumb names so far :)
[12:46] <Ashael> haha IdleOne what did you suggest?
[12:46]  * yofel is still for a plain Red Rooster
[12:47] <IdleOne> I don't raging is the best adjective to use for a Ubuntu release
[12:47] <IdleOne> Ashael: Raging Rhino
[12:47] <Ashael> hehe
[12:47]  * Ashael suggests Raving Roedeer
[12:48] <BluesKaj> reposing romulon
[12:48] <Ashael> hmmm does that mean "Rabid" is out too? ;)
[12:48] <IdleOne> I like that BluesKaj
[12:48] <IdleOne> btw
[12:48] <IdleOne> !party
[12:51] <philinux> hey guys have you noticed a lag of over 10 seconds when using log out?
[12:51] <IdleOne> nope
[12:51] <Ashael> Romantic Ram
[12:52] <philinux> IdleOne: intel acer 1410 can take up to 15 seconds to logout
[12:52] <philinux> login is real quick though
[12:53] <IdleOne> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames#A13.04
[12:54] <greasegum> hey friends, is this the right channel to ask about upgrading to Wheezy under Precise?
[12:55] <greasegum> seems next-level enough
[12:55] <Ashael> <3 ratel
[12:56] <BluesKaj> oh a question , just a minor annoyance ..the "turn off computer " option  tries to suspend to ram instead of shutting down so i have to logout first to shutdown , this isn't a laptop and I have no hibernation options enabled
[13:00] <Ashael> cheers
[13:05] <philinux> biab
[13:15] <zoktar> anyone else have missing resolutions in some cases?. about half the time i can only select native or half of native.
[13:43] <greasegum> Tomorrow is the big release day?
[13:43] <greasegum> that's exciting
[13:45] <greasegum> One question, does ubuntu+1 base itself off of debian wheezy? or is it a totally separate dev process?
[13:51] <philinux> I've solved my logout delay
[13:53] <philinux> unticked a few startup apps that dont need to be autorun at startup. logout now has no delay
[13:58] <FlyingElvis> how will the update process work tomorrow?  will i be prompted and given a choice to update if i want?
[14:00] <philinux> FlyingElvis: yep it should be automatic
[14:00] <FlyingElvis> nice :)
[14:00] <philinux> FlyingElvis: be aware that the service will be very slow though
[14:00] <FlyingElvis> thats fine
[14:01] <philinux> I would wait till friday to update. clean install can be today though
[14:01] <FlyingElvis> i just dumped win7 on all my familys computers and installed ubuntu on all of them about a week ago...so far the transition is going well
[14:01] <philinux> FlyingElvis: I dual boot win7
[14:02] <philinux> i need bskyb skygo service
[14:02] <FlyingElvis> i did leave win7 on one laptop...for those problem programs
[14:02] <philinux> good idea since you've paid for win 7 license
[14:02] <BluesKaj> dual booting is advisable until you're sure about your familiy's preferences , FlyingElvis
[14:03] <FlyingElvis> but everyday use is ubuntu now...and wife and daughter have no issues with it..
[14:04] <philinux> FlyingElvis: i'd stick with 12.04 for a while
[14:04] <BluesKaj> FlyingElvis,  glad to hear that , wish i could convince wifey , but we're older and set in our ways
[14:04] <FlyingElvis> and i probably will....until the servers get speed back
[14:04] <philinux> they get hammered on release day
[14:05] <FlyingElvis> i bet
[14:05] <philinux> it's peeps doownloading the iso i think
[14:06] <BluesKaj> ok , back to kubuntu ... was cancelling our netflix acct here on W7 ...nothing appeals to us
[14:06] <FlyingElvis> ok  quick question about that
[14:07] <FlyingElvis> netflix is still a no go on ubuntu isnt it?
[14:07] <philinux> correct
[14:07] <FlyingElvis> ah well
[14:07] <FlyingElvis> no big loss
[14:07] <FlyingElvis> there are othe routlets
[14:08] <philinux> FlyingElvis: however ;) http://how-to.wikia.com/wiki/How_to_watch_Netflix_%28Watch_Instantly%29_in_Linux
[14:08] <philinux> and you have some spare win7 licenses lol
[14:09] <philinux> Virtualbox FTW
[14:09] <BluesKaj> ahh, familiar territory , windows and xchat are almost foreign to me now
[14:10] <FlyingElvis> BluesKaj, im certainly not missing win7 much at all
[14:10] <FlyingElvis> and win8...i dont know wtf they were smoking, but to me that is not a desktop OS
[14:11] <BluesKaj> haven't experience W8 ... amother vista ?
[14:11] <FlyingElvis> id say so...it is going to confuse the hell out of desktop users
[14:11] <BluesKaj> experienced rather
[14:12] <FlyingElvis> kids will love it tho
[14:12] <BluesKaj> how?
[14:12] <FlyingElvis> i dont need my desktop computer emulating a cellphone..and thats the main drive of win 8
[14:13] <FlyingElvis> they say boot times are improved tho...big deal...i can reboot and restart ubuntu in under 30 seconds  lol
[14:13] <genii-around> BluesKaj: It's annoying on a desktop. Basically a bunch of live tiles with different feeds etc, one of them is the old desktop.
[14:15] <BluesKaj> yeah what's a sec or 2 when booting ...the pi**ing contest with boot geeks never seems to end :)
[14:15] <BluesKaj> hey genii-around .. then w8 isn't worth bothering about
[14:16] <FlyingElvis> and i have a chromebook that boots in under 10 seconds...takes me longer to type in my password than it does to boot
[14:17] <genii-around> BluesKaj: Well probably not for desktops anyhow. I haven't seen it working on a tablet/netbook with touchscreen yet though. Might be bearable there, I dunno
[14:17] <FlyingElvis> genii-around, ive played with it on a touchscreen, and thats what it is made for...apparently MS thinks we all have touchscreens on our desks
[14:18] <FlyingElvis> win8 shines on a touch screen
[14:18] <BluesKaj> daughter loves her android phone , since her Imac HDD died she hasn't even thought about fixing it
[14:18]  * philinux has S3
[14:18] <philinux> still like netbook at home though]
[14:19] <BluesKaj> she had all music/media and data backed up on a couple of sticks ,
[14:20] <BluesKaj> and replacing a hdd in an Imac is truly a messy business
[14:20] <FlyingElvis> ill never buy apple
[14:20] <FlyingElvis> but thats a whole nother story
[14:22] <BluesKaj> well , they weren't too bad , but they've become too proprietary , and they're taking advantage of fanboy marketing , the so called cool factor may be starting to wear a bit thin with the latest iphone
[14:26] <philinux> foxconn employing 14 year old interns too. not good
[14:26] <nbf> anyone else having issues where the dash search window doesn't close
[14:26] <nbf> and you have to log out to get rid of it
[14:27] <FlyingElvis> not to mention you could build a computer thats tice as powerful at half the cost of an apple...then that gets my vote
[14:28] <FlyingElvis> twice*
[14:28] <FlyingElvis> and even less if you run a linux distro
[14:28] <nbf> yeah but that computer won't be built by tiny elves living in cupertino, using the finest mythril
[14:29] <nbf> instead you'll have a dell plastic shitbox
[14:29] <FlyingElvis> heh
[14:30] <nbf> Ubuntu 12.10 rocks
[14:30] <nbf> unity is actually starting to be useful (aside my current bug ;)_
[14:30] <FlyingElvis> id hafta agree with that also...im enjoying unity
[14:30]  * genii-around sticks to his KDE for now
[14:31] <nbf> I've never been able to get into KDE
[14:31] <nbf> I've tried, something about it just irks me after a few hours
[14:33] <BluesKaj>  well , to each his own ...I could never get rid of the impression that i was looking at a comic book page with gnome/unity desktop  :)
[14:35] <BluesKaj> < old windows guy ...was forced to use it atr from w3.1 to '98 , so kde is more familiarand comfortable to me
[14:35] <BluesKaj> at work
[14:40] <BluesKaj> just tried firessh on FF , works like a charm
[14:41] <genii-around> I always figure people should just use whatever desktop they like. It's more about about how people have different types of workflow, etc. I keep usually all the major ones to stay familiar. So I normally have kubuntu, ubuntu, xubuntu, and lately lubuntu.
[14:43] <nbf> I wonder if there's a chromiumssh
[14:43] <nbf> ooh there is
[14:44] <BluesKaj> genii-around, yeah I suppose one is obligated to keep up with all the desktops offered on 'ubuntu as an ubuntu member
[14:44] <nbf> is canonical still planning on switching over to chromium from firefox
[14:44] <nbf> firefox is pretty terrible these days
[14:45] <genii-around> BluesKaj: Although normally when I give assistance it's usually CLI so it's desktop-agnostic
[14:47] <BluesKaj> chromium is fine on regular monitors , but the tabfonts aren't configurable for larger screens , so I try to avoid chromium if possible
[14:51] <BluesKaj> genii-around, agreed , getting users to learn the cli makes assistance so much easier
[15:00] <bobweaver> hello there Ubuntu is not booting at all on 12.10 on my dell d610 what can I do ?
[15:01] <actionParsnip> !party
[15:02] <bjsnider> nbf, something about it irks me after about 16 seconds
[15:02] <crizis> anyone here running quantal with ati/fglrx?
[15:02] <nbf> I think it's the KDE theme/aesthetic
[15:02] <nbf> its just not good
[15:03] <bobweaver> so I guess that I can not install Ubuntu on this computer because of age ?
[15:03] <bobweaver> dell d610 1 gig ram pent m
[15:03] <crizis> well if anyone is running fglrx/ati on quantal, would be nice to know what catalyst version it has. ubuntu's package version unfortunately tells nothing as package version has nothing to do with actual driver/catalyst version
[15:04] <bjsnider> crizis, unless you have brand new hardware it might not be a good idea to use fglrx
[15:05] <crizis> open driver is practically useless and i didn't ask for opinions
[15:05] <nbf> buying ATI hardware is the first step towards failure
[15:06] <bjsnider> radeon is better than fglrx on a lot of hardware
[15:06] <crizis> no, it is not
[15:06] <crizis> it doesn't even support VBO's, guaranteeing it will never perform acceptably with games
[15:06] <crizis> and again, i asked for the version, not for useless opinions
[15:06] <bjsnider> well, if you're doing a lot of gaming, that's a different story
[15:06] <bobweaver> so I guess not only is Ubuntu not going to work on older computers now ? am I correct in thinking this ?
[15:07] <nbf> crizis: that's great
[15:07] <nbf> older computers would fair better using something like lubuntu
[15:07] <bjsnider> bobweaver, you said it'snot booting. can you provide a bit more info?
[15:08] <bobweaver> nbf,  12.04 ran great both 3d and 2d . bjsnider  sure it just goes to black screen after plymouth . there is no nvidia or ati in this computer it is intel
[15:09] <bobweaver> ctrl+alt+f1 also does nothing
[15:09] <bobweaver> I just get a blanck cursor flashing
[15:09] <bobweaver> blank *
[15:09] <genii-around> !nomodeset
[15:09] <bobweaver> tried that
[15:10] <genii-around> bobweaver: Is it i915 or i945 chipset?
[15:10] <bobweaver> let me look I have to boot ;live cd of 12.04 brb
[15:14] <bobweaver> i915 it says in lsmod I will pastebin lspci -vknn |grep VGA
[15:14] <bkfitz> 12.10 beta 2 in classic mode... I want to add a new indicator to the "indicator applet"... anyone know how to do this?
[15:16] <bobweaver> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1285203
[15:18] <bobweaver> also what is up with Ubuntu selling my info to facebook amazon ect ? does canonical need the money that bad ?
[15:20] <bobweaver> will removing the shoping lens remove all that stuff ? or do I have to remove a-lot more ? I dont want to sell my information .
[15:21] <bobweaver> and HOW LONG has this been going on there was not warning till a couple of days ago. isnt that illegal ?
[15:21] <bobweaver> Like I upgraded the computer a couple of days ago and there is a policy thingy in the dash I read it and it says that they are selling info
[15:22] <micahg> bobweaver: you might want to read http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1182
[15:22] <bobweaver> where they doing this before the the policy thingy in dash was implamented ?
[15:22] <genii-around> bobweaver: Apologies on lag, work is quite busy. Have you tried the specific nomodeset for i915?  eg: i915.modeset=0     or to set: vga=772
[15:23] <bobweaver> thanks micahg but I have already read that
[15:23] <micahg> bobweaver: it answers some of your questions
[15:24] <bobweaver> genii-around,  np just trying to figure all this out myself . i915 0 is what I did on the older computer
[15:25] <bobweaver> micahg, thanks I will re-read. but still it is illegal to sell others info with out them knowing it
[15:25] <micahg> it's not being sold (info is in the article)
[15:25] <bobweaver> so I am taking it that the anwser is yes and yes they where doing this before the warnning was there meaning that canonical has been selling my info.
[15:25] <bobweaver> micahg,  you have read the privacy policy ?
[15:26] <bobweaver> it says right in it that canonical is selling dash info to 3rd partys
[15:26] <bobweaver> aka facebook amazon openstack ect
[15:26]  * micahg hasn't seen that yet
[15:26] <bobweaver> I am confused re-reading that artical
[15:27] <bobweaver> I am on 12.04 because I am scared of 12.10 now
[15:27] <bobweaver> or I would post where file is located
[15:28] <bobweaver> Seems to me that this Break the EU
[15:33] <bobweaver> Unless you have opted out . we (canonical ) will also send your keysrokes as a search tearm to ubuntu server and SELECTED THRID PARTIES; including: Facebook , Twitter,BBC,Amazon , canonical amd these selected thrid partys will *collect* your search tearms and use them to profide you with search results while using Ubuntu
[15:33] <bobweaver> one question ? what does facebook and twitter and BBC have to do with the shopping lens ?
[15:33] <WarOfTheNerd> bobweaver, it doesn't
[15:33] <WarOfTheNerd> bobweaver, twitter is for the installer
[15:34] <bobweaver> then why would they need dash info ?
[15:34] <WarOfTheNerd> When you install Ubuntu the installer requests Twitter feed
[15:34] <bobweaver> ahh I see thanks I am just trying to figure this all out
[15:34] <bobweaver> and facebook BBC ?
[15:34] <WarOfTheNerd> BBC is for videos
[15:35] <WarOfTheNerd> the Video lens has always searched BBC and YouTube
[15:35] <WarOfTheNerd> Amazon is for the shopping lens
[15:35] <bobweaver> and facebook the leader in giving away your info is for ?
[15:36] <WarOfTheNerd> and Facebook/Twitter is also for social integration, you can pop in your accounts for FB/Twitter and chat to people and search profiles
[15:36] <WarOfTheNerd> (but for those you need to add a Facebook or Twitter Account; as far as I know they're not something that gets searched directly)
[15:36] <Mneumonic> Is there going to be a release party channel for Quantal?
[15:36] <bobweaver> But here is the thing I do not have facebook I do not have Twitter nor do I trust them so I have to remove all that stuff is what you are saying?
[15:37] <bobweaver> WarOfTheNerd,  ^^
[15:37] <bobweaver> !party | Mneumonic
[15:37] <Mneumonic> Thanks!
[15:37] <bobweaver> np
[15:37] <WarOfTheNerd> bobweaver, check the Privacy section of System Settings
[15:37] <WarOfTheNerd> bobweaver, you should be able to disable everything you don't want from there
[15:38] <zoktar> !Quantal
[15:39] <WarOfTheNerd> bobweaver, to be honest, I'm not using 12.10 for other reasons.  Most notably because I have tons of proprietary apps now
[15:39] <WarOfTheNerd> (and most proprietary apps in Software Centre suck for dist-upgrade)
[15:40] <g105b> how many hours until release of 12.10 ?
[15:40] <bobweaver> All of these thing 2 days ?
[15:40] <bobweaver> sorry
[15:40] <bobweaver> 2 days ?
[15:41] <BluesKaj> tomorrow
[15:41] <bobweaver> i it not on the 18 th ?
[15:41] <nbf> I wonder if the steam for linux beta launch with coincide with the 12.10 release?
[15:41]  * bobweaver looks at calender and ducks 
[15:41] <BluesKaj> !schedule
[15:42] <FlyingElvis> Mneumonic, #ubuntu-release-party
[15:42] <bobweaver> nbf,  no I hear that it is going to be hot topic at UDS and that they dudes from stream and unity 3d will be there
[15:42] <WarOfTheNerd> nbf, they'd better support LTS
[15:42] <bobweaver> meaning 13.10 ?
[15:42] <bobweaver> sorry 13.04
[15:42] <nbf> they already said the beta starts this month
[15:42] <g105b> BluesKaj: I'm asking because there's a big difference between when the 18th is depending on where you live.
[15:42] <nbf> so I figure it's either with the 12.10 launch OR maybe on halloween
[15:43] <nbf> but the 12.10 launch day would be prudent
[15:43] <nbf> because there's a ton of activity going on for ubuntu around tomorrow
[15:43] <bobweaver> nbf,  I think that it will be in 13.04
[15:43] <nbf> they already said the beta starts this month
[15:43] <bobweaver> Oo
[15:43] <bobweaver> nbf,  where did you get that info ?
[15:43] <BluesKaj> g105b, I believe it's GMT that determines the time/date
[15:43] <nbf> http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/27/steam-linux-beta/
[15:43] <bobweaver> thanks
[15:44] <bobweaver> yeah that says that it is going to be private and only 1000 users are going to get it ?
[15:44] <nbf> yeah
[15:44] <bkfitz> anyone know of a caps-lock indicator that will work in 12.10 beta 2 classic
[15:45] <nbf> and it looks like 12.04 LTS is the target distribution
[15:45] <nbf> although I assume it'll work with 12.10 :)
[15:45] <bobweaver> run on systems running Ubuntu 12.04 *and above*
[15:45] <bobweaver> nbf,  ^^
[15:45] <nbf> valve was helping improve the intel drivers though
[15:45] <nbf> so I'm going to assume 12.10 will have much better performance
[15:45] <nbf> for intel users
[15:46] <bobweaver> lol not for me I can not even boot on older intel
[15:46] <nbf> :(
[15:46] <bobweaver> and my new computer (intel) also is *Slow*
[15:46] <nbf> I have an optichode system from nvidia
[15:46] <nbf> but I'm been surprised how good the intel 4000 HD performance is
[15:47] <nbf> it's not as good as the nvidia GPU but it's a thousand times better than the other intel IGP setups I've used
[15:47] <bobweaver> I have the intel 8086:0046 and have to say with all honesty that everything is slower on 12.10 (could be kinks in water line though )
[15:48] <bobweaver> this computer is not even 1 year old
[15:48] <bobweaver> 8 gigs ram and i5
[15:48] <nbf> you may want to run a DE that doesn't use compositing
[15:48] <nbf> like XFCE
[15:49] <bobweaver> Things like loosing control of mouse and yes I made sure that this computer is 100% *nix cert before I bought it
[15:49] <bobweaver> I dont like xfce I like unity but also like I said this computer is less then a year old
[15:50] <bobweaver> Again I would like to say thanks to all thous that helped me with privacy and the older computer.
[15:52] <bobweaver> see the older computer is my GF I bought her a systenm 76 but see does not like because there is no mouse track red thingy like there is on her d610 I think that see is going to flip on me in a couple of hours when she gets khome from work
[15:52] <bobweaver> mouse track red thingy = mouse thing on keyboard between the g and h and b
[15:53] <bobweaver> keys
[15:53] <nbf> yeah mouse nub
[15:53] <nbf> like on a lenovo
[15:53] <nbf> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pointing_stick
[15:53] <agoodm> how can I disable the blur on the unity panel? it lags my core i7 laptop...
[15:54] <agoodm> I feel sorry for netbook and ordinary laptop users :P
[15:54] <bobweaver> nbf,  yeah that's the red thingy lol
[15:54] <bobweaver> the "blur" is worte into unity with NUX and how it is rendering itsself ?
[15:55] <bobweaver> I would guess shell/launcher/Launcher.cpp
[15:55] <agoodm> in 12.04 I used my unity to turn it off and didnt really think about it till I updated to 12.10 and it totally broke my install
[15:55] <bobweaver> panel er not launcher. agoodm  can you take screenshot ?
[15:56] <agoodm> and I spent 4 hours trying to fix it before clean installing
[15:56] <bobweaver> Ouch sorry agoodm  I feel your pain broseph
[15:57] <agoodm> http://i.imgur.com/oiFDj.jpg
[15:57] <bobweaver> agoodm,  look at lensview.cpp
[15:58] <bobweaver> agoodm,  are you good with c++ ?
[15:58] <agoodm> the issue is my x220 is real finicky about the boot loader... every time I did an install on here I have to start up with the ubuntu disk after installing and install boot-repair and run that before I can use my system... normally I use a encrypted root
[15:58] <bobweaver> agoodm,  I wrote this about "hacking" unity   http://askubuntu.com/questions/181474/now-that-i-built-unity-how-do-i-install-it/196023#196023   might help
[15:59] <agoodm> after the 12.10 update booting broke, tried to use 12.10 live usb to run boot-repair but it didnt work, I tried ALL SORTS... and btw im no newby linux user... been using linux on servers and desktops since fedora core 3 and centos 3 -_-
[15:59] <agoodm> bobweaver, I am not a coder :D
[15:59] <bobweaver> then you are stuck with unity the way it is unless you can change the gsetting maybe look around dconf-editor ?
[16:00] <agoodm> then I reinstalled it with the 12.10 installer on a usb pen... chose encrypted block device (yay its now an option in the normal installer) but boot up was broken and unrepairable via any method I knew (booo)
[16:00] <bobweaver> but I am not sure that that will help you at all. but it is worth a shot. I also hear that ccsm helps with unity. but I also know by studing the unity code that that could breakk some stuff also real easy
[16:01] <agoodm> was myunity swapping files in or something then?
[16:01] <agoodm> just installing ccsm
[16:02] <bobweaver> agoodm,  I hear that I can not get past pymouth at all with one of my older computers llvm is a bust !
[16:02]  * bobweaver crys and thinks about unity 2d 
[16:02] <agoodm> in my case half of the issue is my new laptop is finicky about the stuff itll boot... must be gpt, uefi
[16:02] <agoodm> blah blah
[16:04] <agoodm> im enjoying the improved intel performance in 12.10
[16:04] <nbf> same
[16:04] <nbf> I have a clevo which works nicely with Linux (aside from the shitty nvidia support)
[16:05] <bobweaver> ok that was just nuts right there. I changed grub back to normal and it booted and (old computer) and got to lightdm I loged in and it tried to run a unity and then flickered and I just have background anytime I try unity --replace it seg faults lol
[16:05] <agoodm> ok if I cant get rid of the blur in the unity lens panel thing can I prevent it being full screen sometimes?
[16:05] <bobweaver> I do not know what you all are talking about with intel being faster it is much much slower for me
[16:06] <agoodm> sometimes unity lens thingy is full screen and thats when it grinds my laptop to a halt worst...
[16:06] <bobweaver> agoodm,  change the formfactor
[16:06] <agoodm> ?
[16:06] <bobweaver> agoodm,  use dconf-editor and go to com_.canonical-> unity->  and set the for factor
[16:07] <bobweaver> or
[16:08] <bobweaver> gsettings set com.canonical.Unity formfactor netbook
[16:08] <bobweaver> make sure that spelling is correct
[16:08] <agoodm> desktop seems to make it small, netbook seems to make it big if that makes sense
[16:08] <agoodm> thats probably workable
[16:08] <bobweaver> that is correct
[16:08] <Mneumonic> realistically is there much difference at all between running todays daily cd and waiting til tomorrow for the official release?
[16:08] <bobweaver> and tv makes it break
[16:08] <agoodm> I want it small :D
[16:09] <agoodm> if it comes up full screen it takes what feels like 2 seconds to appear
[16:09] <agoodm> feels like half a second 'small'
[16:09] <agoodm> unity launcher thingy performance is my biggest bugbear with ubuntu
[16:10] <agoodm> slash unity
[16:11] <bobweaver> the real reason why unity is slower no (just my observations) is because all the lens have been re-wrote to work differently
[16:11] <bobweaver> that is something that I do not get unifacation my a$$
[16:11] <bobweaver> just a observation though
[16:12] <agoodm> I only use the unity launcher lens thingy for launching apps
[16:12] <bobweaver> also the code is much much heavery now with previews and shopping
[16:13] <agoodm> I want to literally press super fir enter and bam be in firefox, not be looking at f...i...r... appearing then firefox...
[16:13] <scriptwarlock> i observed some bugs on my lappy running 12.10 there is no light on the headphone port any similar glitches?
[16:14] <bobweaver> agoodm,  you press super+a to open your apps lens right away ?
[16:14] <agoodm> I removed the unity shopping lens as some of the pictures that came up from amazon were a bit too racey for customers premesis :O
[16:14] <bobweaver> I always wonder how many use that
[16:14] <bobweaver> rotlolo agoodm
[16:15] <agoodm> dunno I wish for unity panel to be as fast as the sinple windows start menu
[16:15] <agoodm> that literally works as fast as I think
[16:15] <agoodm> ubuntus thing doesnt still
[16:15] <bobweaver> like the little kid that is searching to watch jimmy newtron on tv ? and gets pictures of ...
[16:16] <agoodm> lol :)
[16:16] <bobweaver> dont know if that is real just a joke :)
[16:17] <bobweaver> you think that that filtering is bad what till gripo comes along
[16:17] <agoodm> tbh in my experience the unity panel launcher thing was faster when I was in the live setup that was running from my flash pen
[16:18] <agoodm> this makes me think I should fast track the ssd upgrade for my laptop... not least because I am a bit rough with it sometimes and am getting through hard drives on the warranty...
[16:19] <bobweaver> agoodm,  you are confusing me are you talking about the panel  (the black bar at the top with the me menu)  the Dash (what you get after pressing super) or the launcher (the Doc on the left hand side (unless you read left to right ))
[16:19] <agoodm> ok the dash, sorry I dont know the propper term for it
[16:20] <scriptwarlock> i observed some bugs on my lappy running 12.10 there is no light on the headphone port any similar glitches?
[16:20] <agoodm> scriptwarlock
[16:20] <agoodm> scriptwarlock
[16:20] <agoodm> spam
[16:20] <agoodm> spam
[16:20] <bobweaver> scriptwarlock,  I am not sure that I can help but read launchpads bugs to find more issues ?
[16:20] <Logan_> !repeat | scriptwarlock
[16:21] <scriptwarlock> sorry thought my msg was not sent crappy internet signal so i sent again good it was only twice
[16:21] <bobweaver> you can always run a bug test and see if apport knows that it is there or not .
[16:22] <agoodm> scriptwarlock, if your crappy internet is causing irc issues then the connection to the server wil drop
[16:22] <scriptwarlock> probably sorry then
[16:22] <bobweaver> like if I had bug in unity dash I could run ubuntu-bug unity    and see if apport knows anything about it if not check the search terms in LP
[16:23] <bobweaver> var string LP = "launchpad"
[16:26] <bobweaver> errr so I think I have found work around for older computer that is not booting. it is not pretty ! I have to write libunity and dee and unity2d and libglies and x11 stuff to be one package. then I can install Unty 2d on 12.10 and remove all the old stuff/ overright it all
[16:26] <bobweaver> this is not going to be easy !
[16:26] <bobweaver> but I figure that that will give me unity 2d and a working desktop on this older computer with the added beni's of 12.10
[16:27] <bobweaver> what a pain in the keaster
[16:27] <micahg> bobweaver: if you need unity-2d, you'll want to stick with 12.04
[16:28] <bobweaver> micahg,  to late for that. I thought that llvm would work but it is not
[16:28] <bobweaver> meaning that I already do-released it
[16:30] <bobweaver> I guess that I could make clone of ~ and re-install but then there is no nice upgrades of other programs. Or I have to upgrade all the propertys of 12.04 apps to be the same as 12.10. version # that is. This is one big headache .
[16:30] <Mneumonic> Does anyone know if the current daily ISO has fixed the issue with installing Nvidia drivers not working because the headers aren't installed?
[16:31]  * bobweaver goes looking through the UDS scheduled and is seeing nothing at all about llvm or unity. wonder why that is 
[16:32] <bobweaver> Mneumonic,  I do not know sorry
[16:33] <bobweaver> All I see is Improve support for input methods under unity.
[16:35] <bobweaver> Lots of stuff for Accomplishments . lol     where do I go to talk to people about this ?
[16:35] <bobweaver> this = uds not having anything about unity or llvm
[16:36] <bobweaver> popey,  ^^ ? any ideas ?
[16:37] <popey> mhall119, ^^
[16:37] <mhall119> bobweaver: blueprints are still getting registered
[16:37] <bobweaver> thanks popey  you Rock !
[16:37] <bobweaver> mhall119,  thanks You also Rock !
[16:38] <mhall119> in particular the desktop team has been so busy with final unity changes that they haven't had time to do their yet
[16:38] <mhall119> design team too
[16:38] <bobweaver> mhall119,  yeah I was wondering about that
[16:38] <mhall119> bobweaver: we do have one for TV though
[16:38] <bobweaver> mhall119,  yup I am signed up for that also for the api thing that you are doing. (which looks v.cool btw )
[16:39] <mhall119> cool
[16:39] <mhall119> bobweaver: also, I got some NUX api docs uploaded: http://unity.ubuntu.com/nux/
[16:39] <bobweaver> can not wait to get on that plane in less then 10 days !
[16:40] <bobweaver> That is just hands down AWESOME mhall119  I can not wait to make qml app for the services  to that api !
[17:26] <LarsN> is there a way to disable the crash reporting daemon thing?  Every time i boot i get a "the service has crashed" I've reported it and now i'd like to never see that alert again :)
[18:19] <jbicha> LarsN: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport/ change 1 to 0 in /etc/default/apport
[19:05] <Ghabit> hello. Nvidia drivers still does not working?
[19:05] <Ghabit> After installing it i ahve very low resolution and no unity appearing.
[19:13] <trism> Ghabit: they should be working, what does: dkms status; look like? module built for your kernel?
[19:13] <bjsnider> no, it should say installed
[19:13] <bjsnider> if it says built, that's not finished yet
[19:14] <trism> good point
[19:14] <bjsnider> first added, then built, then installed
[19:15] <trism> Ghabit: I notice nvidia-current seems to have been downgraded, what version do you have/
[19:16] <Ghabit> trism, i'll go reboot now to check it.
[19:19] <ghabit> trism, now I'm on ubuntu.
[19:21] <ghabit> how I can see which version of nvidia drivers is istalled?
[19:21] <trism> ghabit: dkms status; should tell you
[19:21] <ghabit> I have installed it with 'app sources' application on the 'other drivers' tab.
[19:21] <ghabit> ghabit@ubuntu-pc:~$ dkms status
[19:21] <ghabit> nvidia-current-updates, 304.51: added
[19:22] <ghabit> what does it means?
[19:22] <trism> ghabit: ahh, yes as bjsnider notes that means it isn't built or installed yet
[19:23] <ghabit> trism, bjsnider, what I have to build and install? How to do it?
[19:24] <trism> ghabit: I think what I would do is: sudo apt-get purge nvidia-current-updates; (because of bug 1057000) then: sudo apt-get install nvidia-current;
[19:25] <trism> ghabit: though might want to make sure you have the linux-headers for your kernel, what is uname -r; ?
[19:26] <ghabit> trism, 3.5.0-17-generic
[19:26] <trism> ghabit: okay, make sure you have linux-headers-3.5.0-17-generic installed as well
[19:27] <ghabit> trism, during nvidia installing with terminal I have this output: Module build for the currently running kernel was skipped since the
[19:27] <ghabit> kernel source for this kernel does not seem to be installed.
[19:27] <trism> ghabit: yeah need the headers, installing the headers should force a rebuilt
[19:27] <trism> ghabit: though can check dkms status afterwards and force a rebuilt anyway if it doesn't happen
[19:28] <ghabit> trism, why installind drivers is so complicated now?
[19:28] <ghabit> Done installing headers, should I reboot now?
[19:28] <trism> ghabit: not yet, make sure the module was built in dkms status
[19:28] <trism> ghabit: err installed
[19:28] <ghabit> dksm status returnet nvidia-current, 304.43, 3.5.0-17-generic, x86_64: installed
[19:29] <trism> ghabit: yes that looks good, so good to reboot
[19:37] <ghabit> Nvidia is running! But
[19:37] <ghabit> How to disable second monitor? :)
[19:38] <ghabit> Ah, got it.
[19:38] <ghabit> Not in the settings.
[19:38] <trism> ghabit: may also want to install linux-generic so you will always have the headers for new kernels
[19:39] <ghabit> But not for lightdm.
[19:39] <ghabit> Nvidia settings helped to disable second monitor, but lighdm are working on both anyways.
[19:42] <trism> ghabit: once you save the xorg.conf and restart lightdm it should only be one monitor (though apparently nvidia has been randr support now, have to play with that sometime)
[19:42] <trism> been = better
[19:43] <ghabit> gnome-shell is different now.
[19:43] <trism> different?
[19:44] <ghabit> well, right-bottom 'systray' is not appearing by mouse now (it's good I think), new button for all apps at left panel.
[19:44] <ghabit> Looks like newer version.
[20:02] <bjsnider> the notification area in gnome-shell still displays with the mouse at the bottom, but it takes a couple of seconds now
[21:55] <Mneumonic> Anyone know how long until I can expect more of the paid apps to be available in 12.10?  For Example the game Osmos.  I own it but it isn't compatible with 12.10
[22:46] <Adior> hi!
[22:47] <Adie> I am having trouble mounting a UDF .iso, but I don't think I had this trouble in 12.04 LTS
[22:48] <Adie> I am following the instructions I find onling, but I am getting back "mount: unknown filesystem type 'UDF'"
[22:50] <genii-around> Adie: Do you have package udftools installed?
[22:50] <Adie> yes
[22:51] <Adie> here is the command I am using "sudo mount -o loop -t UDF "/media/adie/New Volume/image.iso" /home/adie/iso/
[22:51] <Adie> "
[22:54] <genii-around> Adie: Did you try escaping the space with a backslash instead?
[22:56] <Adie> no
[22:56] <celso_> When will ubuntu 12.10 get out? Cant wait for it...
[22:59] <OerHeks> celso_, within 24 hours ...
[22:59] <celso_> too much time to wait... -_-
[22:59] <bjrohan> I am having 2 issues with my setup, the first is odd with Java. The same website will run a plugin, however at another part of the site it says java is not detected. I also have an issue getting anything ffmpeg to install (so I can view any videos)
[22:59] <celso_> but thanks :D
[23:00] <Adie> the image will mount with iso9660, but it says UDF is an unknown filysystem type :(
[23:00] <OerHeks> Adie, the -t should detect automatic
[23:01] <Adie> ASDFJKL
[23:01] <Adie> solution, "udf" rather than "UDF"
[23:01] <bjrohan> for the ffmpeg issue I try to install the packages it recommends all the way back to a lib-120 where I actually have lib-123 installed
[23:04] <bjrohan> I can walk someone through each error/package that is being required down to the root issue if they can help
[23:07] <bjrohan> no one :-(
[23:16] <bjrohan> Adie, any suggestions?
[23:24]  * OerHeks is moving to  #ubuntu-release-party
[23:30] <zoktar> !Quantal
[23:40] <sebsebseb> hi
[23:49] <somethingoranoth> hello everyone I encountered a problem after removing lightdm that I'd like to ask about. I'm using 12.10 and I noticed after I removed it and ting went fine until it said "lightdm failed to load" at which point it continued on with booting until eventually hanging on a later step in the boot process and failing to boot. Any ideas what might cause this?
[23:50] <somethingoranoth> is there anyone here?
[23:50] <dbtmro1> :)
[23:50] <dbtmro1> why did you remove lightdm?
[23:51] <somethingoranoth> It annoys me personally. I'm just going to use a .xinitrc script instead.
[23:51] <somethingoranoth> Once I figure out why I was unable to boot that is...
[23:51] <dbtmro1> try to install gdm
[23:53] <somethingoranoth> I'm really not looking for another display manager at the moment. Really I'd just like to know why I can't boot Ubuntu without one. XD
[23:54] <dbtmro2> anyone know what time tomorrow will be 12.10 available?
[23:55] <dbtmro2> ...12.10 final release...   :)
[23:56] <somethingoranoth> Is there going to be much updating between the 12.10 beta and the final version?
[23:57] <dbtmro2> I don't belive it will be significantly since last daily build, but it's expected to be some
[23:59] <somethingoranoth> I'm just hoping there's nothing major that will break my system as I've already had enough problems with the current beta updates..