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joiseystudanyone know where the link is to the section on Ubuntus site where you can find the latest ISO built?  Maybe it was on launchpad.  Not Sure.  I was there the other day but never bookmarked.01:27
bjsnider!daily01:29
ubottuDaily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/01:29
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khamerI'm using iwlwifi and trying to connect to my home G network; it worked perfectly at work connect to an N network, any thoughts, even on how to turn up the debugging? dmesg just shows deauthentication from ... by local choice (reason=3), but I temporarily made the network open02:46
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yepwatermelonokay06:05
yepwatermelonI'm here now06:05
yepwatermelonX06:05
yepwatermelonXD06:05
wilee-nileeyepwatermelon, To purge and reinstall grub run sudo apt-get purge grub grub-pc grub-common && sudo apt-get install grub-pc grub-common  then when asked where grub goes put it in the mbr not a partition06:06
wilee-nileeyou can copy and paste that whole command06:06
wilee-nileeafter installed I would run sudo-update-grub as well just to be sure06:08
yepwatermelonhopefully this'll work then, I've been trying to customize it for about 3-4 hours now and its been refusing to update, after a while I finally just lost my bootflags and couldn't get them back either :/06:08
yepwatermelonthanks06:08
wilee-nileeyepwatermelon, No problem, do you have more than one OS?06:09
yepwatermelonno06:09
yepwatermelonthis is the only one06:09
wilee-nileecoo06:09
wilee-nileecool06:09
yepwatermelonI'll reboot and check back in if it doesn't fail catastrophically XD06:10
wilee-nileeyepwatermelon, cool06:10
yepwatermelonokay it worked06:12
yepwatermelonone question though06:12
yepwatermelonits back to hiding grub when I start it up06:12
wilee-nileeyepwatermelon, That is normal what is it that you want?06:13
yepwatermelondoes Ubuntu override any of the options I input into /etc/default/grub somehow?06:13
yepwatermelonbecause that's the file I've been using06:13
wilee-nileeyepwatermelon, You just have to run a update-grub when you change that file.06:14
yepwatermelonI do and it doesn't change colors or apply half of my options.06:14
wilee-nileeyepwatermelon, There is a thread at the ubuntu forums on making custom grub splashes.06:14
wilee-nileeyepwatermelon, here is the one I am thinking of I would look for any references to the grub in 12.10 is all  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=182391506:17
yepwatermelonwould there be any differences between the 12.10 version and earlier ones?06:18
wilee-nileeyepwatermelon, 12.10 is 2.0, 12.04 is 1.99, not much difference I suspect but one never knows.06:19
wilee-nileeas far as dealing with grub206:19
wilee-nileepersonally I just use burg06:19
yepwatermelonPossibly so. I've been using grub-customizer for most of my changes. I did eventually resort to manual edits but I just based them off of what the customizer outputted. Maybe it hasn't been updated to handle 2.0 yet.06:20
wilee-nileeyepwatermelon, I wondered about that with the customizer the PPA will tell you if it supports 12.1006:20
xrfangI have very uncomfortable slow animation of window maximize /minimize and all sort of unity effects.  how to fix that?06:21
wilee-nileeyepwatermelon, The PPA shows quantal as supported.06:22
yepwatermelonwilee-nilee, grub-customizer appears to be broken in general I retried it one more time and it did the same things, no color changes and if I don't hit escape during the boot process it'll show a purple splash screen all the way through and I'm forced to reboot06:37
yepwatermelonlike it actually played the login sound when lightdm loads and the purple splash was still stuck in place06:38
yepwatermelonso I purged and reinstalled once more and its working fine06:38
wilee-nileeyepwatermelon, Bummer I have never messed with customizing grub so I can't really help here, but that thread I posted might be a place to post for help.06:38
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ghabitguys, hello.07:41
ghabitHelp me please. Cannot install ubuntu. I am running installator - choosing language, and when I'm trying to choose myself where to install ubuntu installer crashes.07:42
bazhangmd5 the iso?07:45
vega-xrfang: me too07:45
vega-xrfang: dead slow07:45
bazhangburn at low speed then do the disk integrity check?07:45
bazhangsounds like a corrupt iso or bad burn. possibly shoddy media07:45
ghabitI have checked this possibility.07:46
ghabitubiquity says:07:46
ghabit"ubuquity crashed with AttibuteError in get_grub_choise(): 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'split'07:47
ghabitmaybe it is because i was done rm -rf for root directory before installing new version?07:47
ghabitHow to 'clean' mbr from livecd ubuntu?07:47
xrfangvega-, I suspect it has something to do with nvidia driver? what's your hardware?07:48
vega-xrfang: nvidia, using binary drivers07:48
xrfangbecause my laptop using amd is ok07:49
vega-xrfang: i think i've also solved the issue, i just ordered a macbook air and going to stop using ubuntu :)07:49
xrfangI hate apple07:50
vega-yeah, but it just works nicely. Kinda sad though, been using linux since 199307:52
ghabitanyone help please. I cannot even make install usb now because of errors.07:55
ghabitNo working system here.07:55
bazhangghabit, md5 the iso yet?07:58
bazhangghabit, that is the most basic first step07:59
ghabitbazhang, 0c1f9caad8725324a2048462409a105208:00
bazhangghabit, does it match?08:00
ghabitbazhang, 0c1f9caad8725324a2048462409a1052 *quantal-desktop-amd64.iso - this is original one, from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20121016.1/MD5SUMS, so yes, it is match.08:02
ghabitthe problem is i cannot even make any other liveusb now because of errors :(08:03
bazhangghabit, how did you put it on usb08:03
ghabitbazhang, using tuniversal-usb-installer on windows.08:05
ghabitmy mistake was rm -rf before installing new version.08:05
ghabitbazhang, there is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1067566 bugreport with fix commited, is it possible to install fixed package right on live sesstion?08:07
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1067566 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Quantal) "ubiquity crashes when "something else" is selected" [Critical,Fix released]08:07
ghabitas I understood I must replace /usr/lib/ubiquity/plugins/ubi-partman.py file.08:10
ghabitBut http://paste.ubuntu.com/1284298/plain/ all this @@ + and - -I don't know how to use them.08:10
ghabitI have googled it can be used with 'patch', right? :)08:14
* ghabit reading man patch.08:14
bazhangfor the release iso?08:15
bazhangthat should never be needed08:15
ghabitis the release iso avaiable allready?08:15
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ghabityep! patch is working!08:15
bazhangif the install iso is that flawed, then they would delay release rather than have people patch something08:16
bazhangwell, thats my point; if what is up currently is planned on being the release iso, and it is that badly compromised, then it wont be the release iso08:17
ghabitSound logical.08:17
ghabit<3 ubuntu. :)08:22
peto_hi09:10
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erle-will there be no RC?10:54
erle-is tomorrow release or RC?10:54
peto_erle-, yes10:54
minimecHi. There is this new driver 'udldrmfb' for displaylink devices. Has anyone here tested this thing? I have a lenovo external usb Monitor, and the device seems to be recognized and attached as /dev/fb1. Now I would like to know if I have to configure the device in /etc/xorg.conf, because it is not recognized by xrandr.11:16
BluesKajHiyas all12:31
philinuxBluesKaj: afternoon,12:36
BluesKaj"morning philinux :)12:38
philinuxtimezones eh lol12:39
BluesKajyup12:39
BluesKajEDT here , Ontario Canada12:40
philinuxBluesKaj: not long to RR now eh12:40
philinuxBluesKaj: early morning then eh12:41
IdleOnenothing like a stereotype eh12:41
BluesKajyeah , just having morning coffee ..RR?12:41
IdleOne13.04 Raging Rhino12:42
BluesKajok , I'd better get used to that :)12:42
IdleOnehehe, on't they usually announce the new name before release?12:43
IdleOnedon't*12:43
Ashaelhello12:43
IdleOneHello12:43
Ashaelis 12.10 coming out tomorrow as expected?12:43
IdleOneWe expect it to, yes.12:43
BluesKajI didn't bother checking about the next release12:44
Ashaelshould i upgrade from 12.04?12:44
Ashaelwhat are the changes?12:44
BluesKajI thought it would be another silly name12:44
philinuxAshael: look here http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=12283981&postcount=9412:45
IdleOneBluesKaj: I have no idea what the next one will be called. I made that up.12:45
Ashaeldanke12:45
BluesKajcheck the release notes12:45
yofelUsually the new name should be out very soonish. Simply for the fact that the package changelogs need the release codename ^^12:46
philinuxIdleOne: yup MS has not revealed it yet. I guess it will come out at UDS12:46
philinuxor sooner12:46
BluesKajactually that's not a bad suggextion IdleOne , considering the dumb names so far :)12:46
Ashaelhaha IdleOne what did you suggest?12:46
* yofel is still for a plain Red Rooster12:46
IdleOneI don't raging is the best adjective to use for a Ubuntu release12:47
IdleOneAshael: Raging Rhino12:47
Ashaelhehe12:47
* Ashael suggests Raving Roedeer12:47
BluesKajreposing romulon12:48
Ashaelhmmm does that mean "Rabid" is out too? ;)12:48
IdleOneI like that BluesKaj12:48
IdleOnebtw12:48
IdleOne!party12:48
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philinuxhey guys have you noticed a lag of over 10 seconds when using log out?12:51
IdleOnenope12:51
AshaelRomantic Ram12:51
philinuxIdleOne: intel acer 1410 can take up to 15 seconds to logout12:52
philinuxlogin is real quick though12:52
IdleOnehttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames#A13.0412:53
greasegumhey friends, is this the right channel to ask about upgrading to Wheezy under Precise?12:54
greasegumseems next-level enough12:55
Ashael<3 ratel12:55
BluesKajoh a question , just a minor annoyance ..the "turn off computer " option  tries to suspend to ram instead of shutting down so i have to logout first to shutdown , this isn't a laptop and I have no hibernation options enabled12:56
Ashaelcheers13:00
philinuxbiab13:05
zoktaranyone else have missing resolutions in some cases?. about half the time i can only select native or half of native.13:15
greasegumTomorrow is the big release day?13:43
greasegumthat's exciting13:43
greasegumOne question, does ubuntu+1 base itself off of debian wheezy? or is it a totally separate dev process?13:45
philinuxI've solved my logout delay13:51
philinuxunticked a few startup apps that dont need to be autorun at startup. logout now has no delay13:53
FlyingElvishow will the update process work tomorrow?  will i be prompted and given a choice to update if i want?13:58
philinuxFlyingElvis: yep it should be automatic14:00
FlyingElvisnice :)14:00
philinuxFlyingElvis: be aware that the service will be very slow though14:00
FlyingElvisthats fine14:00
philinuxI would wait till friday to update. clean install can be today though14:01
FlyingElvisi just dumped win7 on all my familys computers and installed ubuntu on all of them about a week ago...so far the transition is going well14:01
philinuxFlyingElvis: I dual boot win714:01
philinuxi need bskyb skygo service14:02
FlyingElvisi did leave win7 on one laptop...for those problem programs14:02
philinuxgood idea since you've paid for win 7 license14:02
BluesKajdual booting is advisable until you're sure about your familiy's preferences , FlyingElvis14:02
FlyingElvisbut everyday use is ubuntu now...and wife and daughter have no issues with it..14:03
philinuxFlyingElvis: i'd stick with 12.04 for a while14:04
BluesKajFlyingElvis,  glad to hear that , wish i could convince wifey , but we're older and set in our ways14:04
FlyingElvisand i probably will....until the servers get speed back14:04
philinuxthey get hammered on release day14:04
FlyingElvisi bet14:05
philinuxit's peeps doownloading the iso i think14:05
BluesKajok , back to kubuntu ... was cancelling our netflix acct here on W7 ...nothing appeals to us14:06
FlyingElvisok  quick question about that14:06
FlyingElvisnetflix is still a no go on ubuntu isnt it?14:07
philinuxcorrect14:07
FlyingElvisah well14:07
FlyingElvisno big loss14:07
FlyingElvisthere are othe routlets14:07
philinuxFlyingElvis: however ;) http://how-to.wikia.com/wiki/How_to_watch_Netflix_%28Watch_Instantly%29_in_Linux14:08
philinuxand you have some spare win7 licenses lol14:08
philinuxVirtualbox FTW14:09
BluesKajahh, familiar territory , windows and xchat are almost foreign to me now14:09
FlyingElvisBluesKaj, im certainly not missing win7 much at all14:10
FlyingElvisand win8...i dont know wtf they were smoking, but to me that is not a desktop OS14:10
BluesKajhaven't experience W8 ... amother vista ?14:11
FlyingElvisid say so...it is going to confuse the hell out of desktop users14:11
BluesKajexperienced rather14:11
FlyingElviskids will love it tho14:12
BluesKajhow?14:12
FlyingElvisi dont need my desktop computer emulating a cellphone..and thats the main drive of win 814:12
FlyingElvisthey say boot times are improved tho...big deal...i can reboot and restart ubuntu in under 30 seconds  lol14:13
genii-aroundBluesKaj: It's annoying on a desktop. Basically a bunch of live tiles with different feeds etc, one of them is the old desktop.14:13
BluesKajyeah what's a sec or 2 when booting ...the pi**ing contest with boot geeks never seems to end :)14:15
BluesKajhey genii-around .. then w8 isn't worth bothering about14:15
FlyingElvisand i have a chromebook that boots in under 10 seconds...takes me longer to type in my password than it does to boot14:16
genii-aroundBluesKaj: Well probably not for desktops anyhow. I haven't seen it working on a tablet/netbook with touchscreen yet though. Might be bearable there, I dunno14:17
FlyingElvisgenii-around, ive played with it on a touchscreen, and thats what it is made for...apparently MS thinks we all have touchscreens on our desks14:17
FlyingElviswin8 shines on a touch screen14:18
BluesKajdaughter loves her android phone , since her Imac HDD died she hasn't even thought about fixing it14:18
* philinux has S314:18
philinuxstill like netbook at home though]14:18
BluesKajshe had all music/media and data backed up on a couple of sticks ,14:19
BluesKajand replacing a hdd in an Imac is truly a messy business14:20
FlyingElvisill never buy apple14:20
FlyingElvisbut thats a whole nother story14:20
BluesKajwell , they weren't too bad , but they've become too proprietary , and they're taking advantage of fanboy marketing , the so called cool factor may be starting to wear a bit thin with the latest iphone14:22
philinuxfoxconn employing 14 year old interns too. not good14:26
nbfanyone else having issues where the dash search window doesn't close14:26
nbfand you have to log out to get rid of it14:26
FlyingElvisnot to mention you could build a computer thats tice as powerful at half the cost of an apple...then that gets my vote14:27
FlyingElvistwice*14:28
FlyingElvisand even less if you run a linux distro14:28
nbfyeah but that computer won't be built by tiny elves living in cupertino, using the finest mythril14:28
nbfinstead you'll have a dell plastic shitbox14:29
FlyingElvisheh14:29
nbfUbuntu 12.10 rocks14:30
nbfunity is actually starting to be useful (aside my current bug ;)_14:30
FlyingElvisid hafta agree with that also...im enjoying unity14:30
* genii-around sticks to his KDE for now14:30
nbfI've never been able to get into KDE14:31
nbfI've tried, something about it just irks me after a few hours14:31
BluesKaj well , to each his own ...I could never get rid of the impression that i was looking at a comic book page with gnome/unity desktop  :)14:33
BluesKaj< old windows guy ...was forced to use it atr from w3.1 to '98 , so kde is more familiarand comfortable to me14:35
BluesKajat work14:35
BluesKajjust tried firessh on FF , works like a charm14:40
genii-aroundI always figure people should just use whatever desktop they like. It's more about about how people have different types of workflow, etc. I keep usually all the major ones to stay familiar. So I normally have kubuntu, ubuntu, xubuntu, and lately lubuntu.14:41
nbfI wonder if there's a chromiumssh14:43
nbfooh there is14:43
BluesKajgenii-around, yeah I suppose one is obligated to keep up with all the desktops offered on 'ubuntu as an ubuntu member14:44
nbfis canonical still planning on switching over to chromium from firefox14:44
nbffirefox is pretty terrible these days14:44
genii-aroundBluesKaj: Although normally when I give assistance it's usually CLI so it's desktop-agnostic14:45
BluesKajchromium is fine on regular monitors , but the tabfonts aren't configurable for larger screens , so I try to avoid chromium if possible14:47
BluesKajgenii-around, agreed , getting users to learn the cli makes assistance so much easier14:51
bobweaverhello there Ubuntu is not booting at all on 12.10 on my dell d610 what can I do ?15:00
actionParsnip!party15:01
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bjsnidernbf, something about it irks me after about 16 seconds15:02
crizisanyone here running quantal with ati/fglrx?15:02
nbfI think it's the KDE theme/aesthetic15:02
nbfits just not good15:02
bobweaverso I guess that I can not install Ubuntu on this computer because of age ?15:03
bobweaverdell d610 1 gig ram pent m15:03
criziswell if anyone is running fglrx/ati on quantal, would be nice to know what catalyst version it has. ubuntu's package version unfortunately tells nothing as package version has nothing to do with actual driver/catalyst version15:03
bjsnidercrizis, unless you have brand new hardware it might not be a good idea to use fglrx15:04
crizisopen driver is practically useless and i didn't ask for opinions15:05
nbfbuying ATI hardware is the first step towards failure15:05
bjsniderradeon is better than fglrx on a lot of hardware15:06
crizisno, it is not15:06
crizisit doesn't even support VBO's, guaranteeing it will never perform acceptably with games15:06
crizisand again, i asked for the version, not for useless opinions15:06
bjsniderwell, if you're doing a lot of gaming, that's a different story15:06
bobweaverso I guess not only is Ubuntu not going to work on older computers now ? am I correct in thinking this ?15:06
nbfcrizis: that's great15:07
nbfolder computers would fair better using something like lubuntu15:07
bjsniderbobweaver, you said it'snot booting. can you provide a bit more info?15:07
bobweavernbf,  12.04 ran great both 3d and 2d . bjsnider  sure it just goes to black screen after plymouth . there is no nvidia or ati in this computer it is intel15:08
bobweaverctrl+alt+f1 also does nothing15:09
bobweaverI just get a blanck cursor flashing15:09
bobweaverblank *15:09
genii-around!nomodeset15:09
ubottuA common kernel (boot)parameter is nomodeset, which is needed for some graphic cards that otherwise boot into a black screen or show corrupted splash screen. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132 on how to use this parameter15:09
bobweavertried that15:09
genii-aroundbobweaver: Is it i915 or i945 chipset?15:10
bobweaverlet me look I have to boot ;live cd of 12.04 brb15:10
bobweaveri915 it says in lsmod I will pastebin lspci -vknn |grep VGA15:14
bkfitz12.10 beta 2 in classic mode... I want to add a new indicator to the "indicator applet"... anyone know how to do this?15:14
bobweaverhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/128520315:16
bobweaveralso what is up with Ubuntu selling my info to facebook amazon ect ? does canonical need the money that bad ?15:18
bobweaverwill removing the shoping lens remove all that stuff ? or do I have to remove a-lot more ? I dont want to sell my information .15:20
bobweaverand HOW LONG has this been going on there was not warning till a couple of days ago. isnt that illegal ?15:21
bobweaverLike I upgraded the computer a couple of days ago and there is a policy thingy in the dash I read it and it says that they are selling info15:21
micahgbobweaver: you might want to read http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/118215:22
bobweaverwhere they doing this before the the policy thingy in dash was implamented ?15:22
genii-aroundbobweaver: Apologies on lag, work is quite busy. Have you tried the specific nomodeset for i915?  eg: i915.modeset=0     or to set: vga=77215:22
bobweaverthanks micahg but I have already read that15:23
micahgbobweaver: it answers some of your questions15:23
bobweavergenii-around,  np just trying to figure all this out myself . i915 0 is what I did on the older computer15:24
bobweavermicahg, thanks I will re-read. but still it is illegal to sell others info with out them knowing it15:25
micahgit's not being sold (info is in the article)15:25
bobweaverso I am taking it that the anwser is yes and yes they where doing this before the warnning was there meaning that canonical has been selling my info.15:25
bobweavermicahg,  you have read the privacy policy ?15:25
bobweaverit says right in it that canonical is selling dash info to 3rd partys15:26
bobweaveraka facebook amazon openstack ect15:26
* micahg hasn't seen that yet15:26
bobweaverI am confused re-reading that artical15:26
bobweaverI am on 12.04 because I am scared of 12.10 now15:27
bobweaveror I would post where file is located15:27
bobweaverSeems to me that this Break the EU15:28
bobweaverUnless you have opted out . we (canonical ) will also send your keysrokes as a search tearm to ubuntu server and SELECTED THRID PARTIES; including: Facebook , Twitter,BBC,Amazon , canonical amd these selected thrid partys will *collect* your search tearms and use them to profide you with search results while using Ubuntu15:33
bobweaverone question ? what does facebook and twitter and BBC have to do with the shopping lens ?15:33
WarOfTheNerdbobweaver, it doesn't15:33
WarOfTheNerdbobweaver, twitter is for the installer15:33
bobweaverthen why would they need dash info ?15:34
WarOfTheNerdWhen you install Ubuntu the installer requests Twitter feed15:34
bobweaverahh I see thanks I am just trying to figure this all out15:34
bobweaverand facebook BBC ?15:34
WarOfTheNerdBBC is for videos15:34
WarOfTheNerdthe Video lens has always searched BBC and YouTube15:35
WarOfTheNerdAmazon is for the shopping lens15:35
bobweaverand facebook the leader in giving away your info is for ?15:35
WarOfTheNerdand Facebook/Twitter is also for social integration, you can pop in your accounts for FB/Twitter and chat to people and search profiles15:36
WarOfTheNerd(but for those you need to add a Facebook or Twitter Account; as far as I know they're not something that gets searched directly)15:36
MneumonicIs there going to be a release party channel for Quantal?15:36
bobweaverBut here is the thing I do not have facebook I do not have Twitter nor do I trust them so I have to remove all that stuff is what you are saying?15:36
bobweaverWarOfTheNerd,  ^^15:37
bobweaver!party | Mneumonic15:37
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MneumonicThanks!15:37
bobweavernp15:37
WarOfTheNerdbobweaver, check the Privacy section of System Settings15:37
WarOfTheNerdbobweaver, you should be able to disable everything you don't want from there15:37
zoktar!Quantal15:38
ubottuUbuntu 12.10 (Quantal Quetzal) will be the 17th release of Ubuntu, Discussion and support until final release in #ubuntu+115:38
WarOfTheNerdbobweaver, to be honest, I'm not using 12.10 for other reasons.  Most notably because I have tons of proprietary apps now15:39
WarOfTheNerd(and most proprietary apps in Software Centre suck for dist-upgrade)15:39
g105bhow many hours until release of 12.10 ?15:40
bobweaverAll of these thing 2 days ?15:40
bobweaversorry15:40
bobweaver2 days ?15:40
BluesKajtomorrow15:41
bobweaveri it not on the 18 th ?15:41
nbfI wonder if the steam for linux beta launch with coincide with the 12.10 release?15:41
* bobweaver looks at calender and ducks 15:41
BluesKaj!schedule15:41
ubottuA schedule of Quantal Quetzal (12.10) release milestones can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseSchedule15:41
FlyingElvisMneumonic, #ubuntu-release-party15:42
bobweavernbf,  no I hear that it is going to be hot topic at UDS and that they dudes from stream and unity 3d will be there15:42
WarOfTheNerdnbf, they'd better support LTS15:42
bobweavermeaning 13.10 ?15:42
bobweaversorry 13.0415:42
nbfthey already said the beta starts this month15:42
g105bBluesKaj: I'm asking because there's a big difference between when the 18th is depending on where you live.15:42
nbfso I figure it's either with the 12.10 launch OR maybe on halloween15:42
nbfbut the 12.10 launch day would be prudent15:43
nbfbecause there's a ton of activity going on for ubuntu around tomorrow15:43
bobweavernbf,  I think that it will be in 13.0415:43
nbfthey already said the beta starts this month15:43
bobweaverOo15:43
bobweavernbf,  where did you get that info ?15:43
BluesKajg105b, I believe it's GMT that determines the time/date15:43
nbfhttp://www.engadget.com/2012/09/27/steam-linux-beta/15:43
bobweaverthanks15:43
bobweaveryeah that says that it is going to be private and only 1000 users are going to get it ?15:44
nbfyeah15:44
bkfitzanyone know of a caps-lock indicator that will work in 12.10 beta 2 classic15:44
nbfand it looks like 12.04 LTS is the target distribution15:45
nbfalthough I assume it'll work with 12.10 :)15:45
bobweaverrun on systems running Ubuntu 12.04 *and above*15:45
bobweavernbf,  ^^15:45
nbfvalve was helping improve the intel drivers though15:45
nbfso I'm going to assume 12.10 will have much better performance15:45
nbffor intel users15:45
bobweaverlol not for me I can not even boot on older intel15:46
nbf:(15:46
bobweaverand my new computer (intel) also is *Slow*15:46
nbfI have an optichode system from nvidia15:46
nbfbut I'm been surprised how good the intel 4000 HD performance is15:46
nbfit's not as good as the nvidia GPU but it's a thousand times better than the other intel IGP setups I've used15:47
bobweaverI have the intel 8086:0046 and have to say with all honesty that everything is slower on 12.10 (could be kinks in water line though )15:47
bobweaverthis computer is not even 1 year old15:48
bobweaver8 gigs ram and i515:48
nbfyou may want to run a DE that doesn't use compositing15:48
nbflike XFCE15:48
bobweaverThings like loosing control of mouse and yes I made sure that this computer is 100% *nix cert before I bought it15:49
bobweaverI dont like xfce I like unity but also like I said this computer is less then a year old15:49
bobweaverAgain I would like to say thanks to all thous that helped me with privacy and the older computer.15:50
bobweaversee the older computer is my GF I bought her a systenm 76 but see does not like because there is no mouse track red thingy like there is on her d610 I think that see is going to flip on me in a couple of hours when she gets khome from work15:52
bobweavermouse track red thingy = mouse thing on keyboard between the g and h and b15:52
bobweaverkeys15:53
nbfyeah mouse nub15:53
nbflike on a lenovo15:53
nbfhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pointing_stick15:53
agoodmhow can I disable the blur on the unity panel? it lags my core i7 laptop...15:53
agoodmI feel sorry for netbook and ordinary laptop users :P15:54
bobweavernbf,  yeah that's the red thingy lol15:54
bobweaverthe "blur" is worte into unity with NUX and how it is rendering itsself ?15:54
bobweaverI would guess shell/launcher/Launcher.cpp15:55
agoodmin 12.04 I used my unity to turn it off and didnt really think about it till I updated to 12.10 and it totally broke my install15:55
bobweaverpanel er not launcher. agoodm  can you take screenshot ?15:55
agoodmand I spent 4 hours trying to fix it before clean installing15:56
bobweaverOuch sorry agoodm  I feel your pain broseph15:56
agoodmhttp://i.imgur.com/oiFDj.jpg15:57
bobweaveragoodm,  look at lensview.cpp15:57
bobweaveragoodm,  are you good with c++ ?15:58
agoodmthe issue is my x220 is real finicky about the boot loader... every time I did an install on here I have to start up with the ubuntu disk after installing and install boot-repair and run that before I can use my system... normally I use a encrypted root15:58
bobweaveragoodm,  I wrote this about "hacking" unity   http://askubuntu.com/questions/181474/now-that-i-built-unity-how-do-i-install-it/196023#196023   might help15:58
agoodmafter the 12.10 update booting broke, tried to use 12.10 live usb to run boot-repair but it didnt work, I tried ALL SORTS... and btw im no newby linux user... been using linux on servers and desktops since fedora core 3 and centos 3 -_-15:59
agoodmbobweaver, I am not a coder :D15:59
bobweaverthen you are stuck with unity the way it is unless you can change the gsetting maybe look around dconf-editor ?15:59
agoodmthen I reinstalled it with the 12.10 installer on a usb pen... chose encrypted block device (yay its now an option in the normal installer) but boot up was broken and unrepairable via any method I knew (booo)16:00
bobweaverbut I am not sure that that will help you at all. but it is worth a shot. I also hear that ccsm helps with unity. but I also know by studing the unity code that that could breakk some stuff also real easy16:00
agoodmwas myunity swapping files in or something then?16:01
agoodmjust installing ccsm16:01
bobweaveragoodm,  I hear that I can not get past pymouth at all with one of my older computers llvm is a bust !16:02
* bobweaver crys and thinks about unity 2d 16:02
agoodmin my case half of the issue is my new laptop is finicky about the stuff itll boot... must be gpt, uefi16:02
agoodmblah blah16:02
agoodmim enjoying the improved intel performance in 12.1016:04
nbfsame16:04
nbfI have a clevo which works nicely with Linux (aside from the shitty nvidia support)16:04
bobweaverok that was just nuts right there. I changed grub back to normal and it booted and (old computer) and got to lightdm I loged in and it tried to run a unity and then flickered and I just have background anytime I try unity --replace it seg faults lol16:05
agoodmok if I cant get rid of the blur in the unity lens panel thing can I prevent it being full screen sometimes?16:05
bobweaverI do not know what you all are talking about with intel being faster it is much much slower for me16:05
agoodmsometimes unity lens thingy is full screen and thats when it grinds my laptop to a halt worst...16:06
bobweaveragoodm,  change the formfactor16:06
agoodm?16:06
bobweaveragoodm,  use dconf-editor and go to com_.canonical-> unity->  and set the for factor16:06
bobweaveror16:07
bobweavergsettings set com.canonical.Unity formfactor netbook16:08
bobweavermake sure that spelling is correct16:08
agoodmdesktop seems to make it small, netbook seems to make it big if that makes sense16:08
agoodmthats probably workable16:08
bobweaverthat is correct16:08
Mneumonicrealistically is there much difference at all between running todays daily cd and waiting til tomorrow for the official release?16:08
bobweaverand tv makes it break16:08
agoodmI want it small :D16:08
agoodmif it comes up full screen it takes what feels like 2 seconds to appear16:09
agoodmfeels like half a second 'small'16:09
agoodmunity launcher thingy performance is my biggest bugbear with ubuntu16:09
agoodmslash unity16:10
bobweaverthe real reason why unity is slower no (just my observations) is because all the lens have been re-wrote to work differently16:11
bobweaverthat is something that I do not get unifacation my a$$16:11
bobweaverjust a observation though16:11
agoodmI only use the unity launcher lens thingy for launching apps16:12
bobweaveralso the code is much much heavery now with previews and shopping16:12
agoodmI want to literally press super fir enter and bam be in firefox, not be looking at f...i...r... appearing then firefox...16:13
scriptwarlocki observed some bugs on my lappy running 12.10 there is no light on the headphone port any similar glitches?16:13
bobweaveragoodm,  you press super+a to open your apps lens right away ?16:14
agoodmI removed the unity shopping lens as some of the pictures that came up from amazon were a bit too racey for customers premesis :O16:14
bobweaverI always wonder how many use that16:14
bobweaverrotlolo agoodm16:14
agoodmdunno I wish for unity panel to be as fast as the sinple windows start menu16:15
agoodmthat literally works as fast as I think16:15
agoodmubuntus thing doesnt still16:15
bobweaverlike the little kid that is searching to watch jimmy newtron on tv ? and gets pictures of ...16:15
agoodmlol :)16:16
bobweaverdont know if that is real just a joke :)16:16
bobweaveryou think that that filtering is bad what till gripo comes along16:17
agoodmtbh in my experience the unity panel launcher thing was faster when I was in the live setup that was running from my flash pen16:17
agoodmthis makes me think I should fast track the ssd upgrade for my laptop... not least because I am a bit rough with it sometimes and am getting through hard drives on the warranty...16:18
bobweaveragoodm,  you are confusing me are you talking about the panel  (the black bar at the top with the me menu)  the Dash (what you get after pressing super) or the launcher (the Doc on the left hand side (unless you read left to right ))16:19
agoodmok the dash, sorry I dont know the propper term for it16:19
scriptwarlocki observed some bugs on my lappy running 12.10 there is no light on the headphone port any similar glitches?16:20
agoodmscriptwarlock16:20
agoodmscriptwarlock16:20
agoodmspam16:20
agoodmspam16:20
bobweaverscriptwarlock,  I am not sure that I can help but read launchpads bugs to find more issues ?16:20
Logan_!repeat | scriptwarlock16:20
ubottuscriptwarlock: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. While you wait, try searching https://help.ubuntu.com or http://ubuntuforums.org or http://askubuntu.com/16:20
scriptwarlocksorry thought my msg was not sent crappy internet signal so i sent again good it was only twice16:21
bobweaveryou can always run a bug test and see if apport knows that it is there or not .16:21
agoodmscriptwarlock, if your crappy internet is causing irc issues then the connection to the server wil drop16:22
scriptwarlockprobably sorry then16:22
bobweaverlike if I had bug in unity dash I could run ubuntu-bug unity    and see if apport knows anything about it if not check the search terms in LP16:22
bobweavervar string LP = "launchpad"16:23
bobweavererrr so I think I have found work around for older computer that is not booting. it is not pretty ! I have to write libunity and dee and unity2d and libglies and x11 stuff to be one package. then I can install Unty 2d on 12.10 and remove all the old stuff/ overright it all16:26
bobweaverthis is not going to be easy !16:26
bobweaverbut I figure that that will give me unity 2d and a working desktop on this older computer with the added beni's of 12.1016:26
bobweaverwhat a pain in the keaster16:27
micahgbobweaver: if you need unity-2d, you'll want to stick with 12.0416:27
bobweavermicahg,  to late for that. I thought that llvm would work but it is not16:28
bobweavermeaning that I already do-released it16:28
bobweaverI guess that I could make clone of ~ and re-install but then there is no nice upgrades of other programs. Or I have to upgrade all the propertys of 12.04 apps to be the same as 12.10. version # that is. This is one big headache .16:30
MneumonicDoes anyone know if the current daily ISO has fixed the issue with installing Nvidia drivers not working because the headers aren't installed?16:30
* bobweaver goes looking through the UDS scheduled and is seeing nothing at all about llvm or unity. wonder why that is 16:31
bobweaverMneumonic,  I do not know sorry16:32
bobweaverAll I see is Improve support for input methods under unity.16:33
bobweaverLots of stuff for Accomplishments . lol     where do I go to talk to people about this ?16:35
bobweaverthis = uds not having anything about unity or llvm16:35
bobweaverpopey,  ^^ ? any ideas ?16:36
popeymhall119, ^^16:37
mhall119bobweaver: blueprints are still getting registered16:37
bobweaverthanks popey  you Rock !16:37
bobweavermhall119,  thanks You also Rock !16:37
mhall119in particular the desktop team has been so busy with final unity changes that they haven't had time to do their yet16:38
mhall119design team too16:38
bobweavermhall119,  yeah I was wondering about that16:38
mhall119bobweaver: we do have one for TV though16:38
bobweavermhall119,  yup I am signed up for that also for the api thing that you are doing. (which looks v.cool btw )16:38
mhall119cool16:39
mhall119bobweaver: also, I got some NUX api docs uploaded: http://unity.ubuntu.com/nux/16:39
bobweavercan not wait to get on that plane in less then 10 days !16:39
bobweaverThat is just hands down AWESOME mhall119  I can not wait to make qml app for the services  to that api !16:40
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LarsNis there a way to disable the crash reporting daemon thing?  Every time i boot i get a "the service has crashed" I've reported it and now i'd like to never see that alert again :)17:26
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jbichaLarsN: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport/ change 1 to 0 in /etc/default/apport18:19
Ghabithello. Nvidia drivers still does not working?19:05
GhabitAfter installing it i ahve very low resolution and no unity appearing.19:05
trismGhabit: they should be working, what does: dkms status; look like? module built for your kernel?19:13
bjsniderno, it should say installed19:13
bjsniderif it says built, that's not finished yet19:13
trismgood point19:14
bjsniderfirst added, then built, then installed19:14
trismGhabit: I notice nvidia-current seems to have been downgraded, what version do you have/19:15
Ghabittrism, i'll go reboot now to check it.19:16
ghabittrism, now I'm on ubuntu.19:19
ghabithow I can see which version of nvidia drivers is istalled?19:21
trismghabit: dkms status; should tell you19:21
ghabitI have installed it with 'app sources' application on the 'other drivers' tab.19:21
ghabitghabit@ubuntu-pc:~$ dkms status19:21
ghabitnvidia-current-updates, 304.51: added19:21
ghabitwhat does it means?19:22
trismghabit: ahh, yes as bjsnider notes that means it isn't built or installed yet19:22
ghabittrism, bjsnider, what I have to build and install? How to do it?19:23
trismghabit: I think what I would do is: sudo apt-get purge nvidia-current-updates; (because of bug 1057000) then: sudo apt-get install nvidia-current;19:24
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1057000 in nvidia-graphics-drivers (Ubuntu Precise) "[Ubuntu 12.04.1/12.10] nVidia drivers 304.51 prevent autohidden Unity launcher from revealing" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105700019:24
trismghabit: though might want to make sure you have the linux-headers for your kernel, what is uname -r; ?19:25
ghabittrism, 3.5.0-17-generic19:26
trismghabit: okay, make sure you have linux-headers-3.5.0-17-generic installed as well19:26
ghabittrism, during nvidia installing with terminal I have this output: Module build for the currently running kernel was skipped since the19:27
ghabitkernel source for this kernel does not seem to be installed.19:27
trismghabit: yeah need the headers, installing the headers should force a rebuilt19:27
trismghabit: though can check dkms status afterwards and force a rebuilt anyway if it doesn't happen19:27
ghabittrism, why installind drivers is so complicated now?19:28
ghabitDone installing headers, should I reboot now?19:28
trismghabit: not yet, make sure the module was built in dkms status19:28
trismghabit: err installed19:28
ghabitdksm status returnet nvidia-current, 304.43, 3.5.0-17-generic, x86_64: installed19:28
trismghabit: yes that looks good, so good to reboot19:29
ghabitNvidia is running! But19:37
ghabitHow to disable second monitor? :)19:37
ghabitAh, got it.19:38
ghabitNot in the settings.19:38
trismghabit: may also want to install linux-generic so you will always have the headers for new kernels19:38
ghabitBut not for lightdm.19:39
ghabitNvidia settings helped to disable second monitor, but lighdm are working on both anyways.19:39
trismghabit: once you save the xorg.conf and restart lightdm it should only be one monitor (though apparently nvidia has been randr support now, have to play with that sometime)19:42
trismbeen = better19:42
ghabitgnome-shell is different now.19:43
trismdifferent?19:43
ghabitwell, right-bottom 'systray' is not appearing by mouse now (it's good I think), new button for all apps at left panel.19:44
ghabitLooks like newer version.19:44
bjsniderthe notification area in gnome-shell still displays with the mouse at the bottom, but it takes a couple of seconds now20:02
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MneumonicAnyone know how long until I can expect more of the paid apps to be available in 12.10?  For Example the game Osmos.  I own it but it isn't compatible with 12.1021:55
Adiorhi!22:46
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AdieI am having trouble mounting a UDF .iso, but I don't think I had this trouble in 12.04 LTS22:47
AdieI am following the instructions I find onling, but I am getting back "mount: unknown filesystem type 'UDF'"22:48
genii-aroundAdie: Do you have package udftools installed?22:50
Adieyes22:50
Adiehere is the command I am using "sudo mount -o loop -t UDF "/media/adie/New Volume/image.iso" /home/adie/iso/22:51
Adie"22:51
genii-aroundAdie: Did you try escaping the space with a backslash instead?22:54
Adieno22:56
celso_When will ubuntu 12.10 get out? Cant wait for it...22:56
OerHekscelso_, within 24 hours ...22:59
celso_too much time to wait... -_-22:59
bjrohanI am having 2 issues with my setup, the first is odd with Java. The same website will run a plugin, however at another part of the site it says java is not detected. I also have an issue getting anything ffmpeg to install (so I can view any videos)22:59
celso_but thanks :D22:59
Adiethe image will mount with iso9660, but it says UDF is an unknown filysystem type :(23:00
OerHeksAdie, the -t should detect automatic23:00
AdieASDFJKL23:01
Adiesolution, "udf" rather than "UDF"23:01
bjrohanfor the ffmpeg issue I try to install the packages it recommends all the way back to a lib-120 where I actually have lib-123 installed23:01
bjrohanI can walk someone through each error/package that is being required down to the root issue if they can help23:04
bjrohanno one :-(23:07
bjrohanAdie, any suggestions?23:16
* OerHeks is moving to #ubuntu-release-party23:24
zoktar!Quantal23:30
ubottuUbuntu 12.10 (Quantal Quetzal) will be the 17th release of Ubuntu, Discussion and support until final release in #ubuntu+123:30
sebsebsebhi23:40
somethingoranothhello everyone I encountered a problem after removing lightdm that I'd like to ask about. I'm using 12.10 and I noticed after I removed it and ting went fine until it said "lightdm failed to load" at which point it continued on with booting until eventually hanging on a later step in the boot process and failing to boot. Any ideas what might cause this?23:49
somethingoranothis there anyone here?23:50
dbtmro1:)23:50
dbtmro1why did you remove lightdm?23:50
somethingoranothIt annoys me personally. I'm just going to use a .xinitrc script instead.23:51
somethingoranothOnce I figure out why I was unable to boot that is...23:51
dbtmro1try to install gdm23:51
somethingoranothI'm really not looking for another display manager at the moment. Really I'd just like to know why I can't boot Ubuntu without one. XD23:53
dbtmro2anyone know what time tomorrow will be 12.10 available?23:54
dbtmro2...12.10 final release...   :)23:55
somethingoranothIs there going to be much updating between the 12.10 beta and the final version?23:56
dbtmro2I don't belive it will be significantly since last daily build, but it's expected to be some23:57
somethingoranothI'm just hoping there's nothing major that will break my system as I've already had enough problems with the current beta updates..23:59

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