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id_uhello06:52
popeyAlanBell, does your machine have nvidia?07:06
* popey is looking for someone on 12.10 with nvidia07:06
brobostigongood morning everyone.07:12
diplostegMorning all07:22
diplo-steg :P07:22
diplopopey: o/07:22
diploAlthough an old card07:22
diploAlso have one at home with a 8800gtx07:22
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TheOpenSourcererMeauning.07:25
TheOpenSourcererpopey: My desktop has a NVIDIA Corporation G96 [GeForce 9500 GT] but is currently on 12.0407:26
AlanBellpopey: intel all the way08:06
bigcalmAhoy peeps :)08:12
diplomorning bigcalm08:19
bigcalmHi diplo08:19
bigcalmQuiet morning08:19
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jacobwhi08:21
diployeah, and I'm actually working?!?!?!?08:24
diplo:P08:24
bigcalmI would like to be sleeping08:24
* Laney is memtest86+ing after seeing some weird errors08:30
Laneynowt come up yet08:30
JamesTaitMorning all! :)08:31
SuperMattanyone a good drawer in here?08:36
bigcalmI hold pants and socks very well I think08:36
* Laney 's sides split08:37
bigcalmPoor man08:37
SuperMattba-dum-tish08:37
Laneygot a needle and thread in that drawer?08:37
SuperMattanyway, if anyone in here can draw, I though it'd be rather neat to create some kind of Ubuntu Superheroes named after athe different release names08:38
diploOK, ideas.. "Unable to install grub in hd0"08:41
diploexecuting grub-install hd0 failed08:41
SuperMattdo you have an hd0 or an sd008:41
SuperMatt?08:41
diploIt's a mixture of sd*/hd* devices, but / + /boot on /sda08:42
diploand the /srv partition is on a raid5 hardware raid setup08:42
kjalildiplo: it's hd0,0 I believe to install to the MBR if that's what you are trying to do?08:53
diplohmm I think I may no the cause!08:54
bigcalmCan anybody with experience of Gearman sing its praises?08:55
czajkowskiyay another bug getting fixed a bitlate mind you for 12.10 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+3.0/+bug/105386209:04
lubotu3Ubuntu bug 1053862 in gtk+3.0 (Ubuntu Quantal) "nautilus crashed due to nested update_node() calls" [High,In progress]09:04
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bigcalmOh my god09:21
bigcalmHayley's brother just donated a grand to our wedding fund09:21
matttGO HAYLEY09:22
matttwait, who is haley09:22
mattt*hayley09:22
bigcalmMy fiancée09:22
diploa grand!!?!?!?!?09:22
bigcalmThat's what I thought09:22
bigcalmNot quite sure how to say thank you enough09:23
matttbigcalm: a cheeky beer will do09:23
matttor bear hug09:24
bigcalmHeh09:24
diplowell paid guy? or single with no kids?09:24
matttbigcalm: when you getting married?09:24
diploMy brother could afford it as well, but it's not the sort of thing he'd do :)09:24
diploAnd to carry on from mattt, where's all our invites!09:24
bigcalmdiplo: paralysed from the waist down and pretty much bed-ridden09:24
bigcalmHeh09:25
matttINVITE INVITE09:25
popeyJust one invite will do09:25
popeyfor the whole channel09:25
bigcalmHe says that he has thins money doing nothing so wants to help us out09:25
bigcalmpopey: we're getting closer to picking a venue. Should be a good time :)09:26
bigcalmAnd a DJ I think09:26
bigcalmPhotographer is sorted ;)09:26
bigcalmThere's just a bazillion other things to sort out now09:27
matttyeah, it's a stressful time09:29
diploIt's good fun, just let the women sort it out with there mums :)09:29
diploWorked for me anyhoo09:29
bigcalmI've told Hayley that I'm happy to just turn up on the day ;)09:30
bigcalmYay, laser cat toy and ir ip webcam have arrived :)09:30
mattthahaha09:30
matttthat'd be a bad idea09:30
mattt"so like, why is this thing costing us 50k?"09:31
* bigcalm shudders09:31
shaunothat was my strategy.  I don't think it's a terrible one either09:31
bigcalmShe's really pleased that I'm going to build a photo booth09:32
czajkowskiphoto boths are fun09:33
czajkowskimate had one at the wedding in august09:33
matttbigcalm: see if she'll be really pleased about you making the wedding dress09:33
czajkowskiit printed off 2 copies09:33
bigcalmmattt: haha09:33
czajkowskione we put into a scrap book with a message and one you got to keep09:33
czajkowskiadd in some weird hats aka nick popey collection and you're sorted09:33
bigcalmczajkowski: it's going to be along those lines :) Hats, feather scarves, fake 'tashs, etc. Not 100% sure if I'll have it print out on the day, but photos will be selectable to be included in a group album as well as being sent to the peeps being photographed09:36
czajkowskicool09:36
czajkowskiI think tc said her final bill for the wedding inc all her flights to and from canca to bring the 5o fthem back and over was €15k09:37
czajkowskiand that was for 250 guests09:38
matttholy crap09:38
bigcalmOuch. I'm affraid that guests will need to travel to Shropshire by their own means :S09:39
matttbigcalm: rent us a mega bus09:39
bigcalmo.O09:39
constrictorgood morning09:39
czajkowskibigcalm: no that was that for bride/groom and her 3 kids09:41
czajkowskinot for others silly09:41
matttthat's still a lot of money :(09:41
czajkowskialhtough a big double decker bus did arrive into the drive way on the next day for the BBQ09:41
czajkowskimattt: cheaper in UK by a long shot for weddings09:41
matttczajkowski: yeah, i guess you're right09:42
mattt250 is a lot of people too09:42
matttand amazing they got that many people when it's out of the country :)09:42
czajkowskimattt: yup true bt convert 15K to sterling it's not as bad09:42
bigcalmWe're looking at a £5ishK budget and 100ish gusts. Doing a lot ourselves will hopefully work out09:42
czajkowskimattt: the wedding was in ireland09:42
czajkowskithe Uk is a lot cheaper than ireland09:43
czajkowskishopping beer, eating out etc09:43
bigcalmWe're rather set on having a hog roast :D09:43
bigcalmAnd I'll choose a cask of local ale to be on the bar09:44
matttczajkowski: oh, i thought canca was cancoon ;P09:44
mattthowever you spell that09:44
czajkowskimattt: ah she lives in canada and flew back to ireland for the wedding09:44
* bigcalm ponders writing a web rsvp service. Or should I get people to confirm by post?09:46
shaunoI'm off to a wedding next month, where the rsvp was all done with google docs.  and surprisingly tactfully09:47
czajkowskiaye we did that for the wedding was handy09:47
czajkowskihttp://www.johnandtarawedding.com/09:48
czajkowskianyone looking to buy a new laptop: https://twitter.com/matthewrevell/status/25850232624185753609:50
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popeybigcalm, people like invitations in the ost09:52
popeyand post09:53
bigcalmpopey: thought so. Will be a mixture of rsvp methods then09:53
Laneyoooooh /me remembers the new SSD is coming today09:57
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Mezanyone seen Daviey lately?10:03
davmor2Morning all10:03
davmor2Mez: he heard you were looking for him and he ran away10:03
bigcalmHi davmor210:03
davmor2hey bigcalm how's life up north :D10:04
Mezdavmor2: that was quick :)10:04
Mez(he hosts one of my VPSs which has disappeared off the face of the earth10:04
bigcalmdavmor2: Either you've gone to London, or your sense of 'Up north' is rather limited10:04
Laneyif there ain't permafrost then it ain't north10:06
davmor2bigcalm: I'm taking the London view, the south is bilston the north is the scotlands10:10
popeywebcam arrived!10:16
Mezpopey: don't you have enough cameras already ?10:17
bigcalmMine came today as well. I shouldn't waste any time wasting time with it10:20
davmor2popey: is try to beat the government for surveillance Mez start worrying when you hear Elvis on call waiting queues then you know he has your phone tapped too10:20
* bigcalm goes to make a cuppa10:20
daubershmmm... managed to break inkscape10:21
daubersI really should automate all the management documentation rubbish10:27
bigcalmFor the cost, I'm really surprised of the build quality and mounting bracket10:35
AlanBellbigcalm: mounting bracket is standard tripod thread too10:35
bigcalmYep, very nice indeed10:36
bigcalmNow I need to find a use for it ;)10:37
AlanBellhttp://ubingo.libertus.co.uk/cam/pad need to bring the recycling bin in10:37
bigcalmAlanBell: you need to do something with the hole left by the 80s plant10:39
bigcalmYou've got mail10:40
diplodelivery for AlanBell !10:40
bigcalmHe really shoved that through10:40
diplo:P10:40
bigcalmAlanBell: you need a wider slot10:40
diploGet to work on that front lawn as well!10:40
popeydo you worry someone will steal the camera?10:44
AlanBellyes, the front is a bit of a mess10:45
AlanBellit is quite stealable, however, when I get zonealarm set up then I will have a video of someone approaching the camera to nick it10:46
AlanBellit isn't very conspicuous where it is, and I don't think people would approach a camera with a view to finding out how easy it is to unplug and unscrew10:48
popeynice that it comes with fittings10:49
AlanBellif anyone wants to dig into how the windows ocx file does two way audio that would be interesting10:51
popeyali1234 would be good at that ;)10:52
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AlanBellit had crossed my mind that the easiest way to figure it out would be to get one delivered to ali1234 :)11:00
bigcalmHeh11:00
popeyhmm, cat has lots of toys but chooses to play with an (unused) tampon instead11:09
bigcalmOh my11:09
popeyindeed11:09
Laneybah11:11
LaneyI wonder how many times on average I go around alt-tab before realising the thing I want is on another workspace11:11
Laneyi'd say 6-711:12
popeyCTRL+ALT+TAB \o/11:13
BassettsDoes Daviey no frequent irc anymore?11:13
popeyyes, he does11:14
DJonesHeh, wife got a new phone last week, she's had it since Friday and has decided she's taking it back, really doesn't like it, most of the apps she's tried either don't work, or don't work as she expects11:14
popeyDJones, android?11:14
BassettsAh, just not around?11:14
Laneyhuh, ctrl-alt-tab, who knew?11:14
DJonespopey: Blackberry, she's going back to android11:14
popeyhah11:14
Laneydefault that pls11:15
popeyalso ctrl+alt+shift+tab to go backwards, for those with many fingers to spare11:15
* popey points laney at JohnLea11:15
Laneyi dislike how 'show desktop' acts on all workspaces11:15
Laneywho wants to test G+ hangouts on my new webcam?11:16
LaneyI may be nude11:16
bigcalmI fear that more than one Iain in one conversation might break things11:17
popeyok!11:18
popeyhttp://popey.com/hangout11:18
popey:D11:18
Laneywait it's not coming up11:18
LaneyLINUXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX11:18
bigcalmAnd my browser decided to log me in with a google apps account that isn't signed up to g+. Note that there is no way to switch accounts on that page11:19
MyrttiI got an update on Galaxy Nexus yesterday and sadly found out that the Google's Shazam-like widget has been removed :-(11:20
shaunothe one that always catches me is trying to login to gmail with my non-gmail acct. if you switch accounts there, it tries to get my gmail address to sign up for gmail11:21
Laneyyay11:21
* mgdm has just handed a Precise install to his brother11:21
mgdmI wonder how he'll get on, he's not used Linux for a while11:21
* popey likes the handy whiteboard there11:21
popeyoverwhelming urge to have pot noodle for lunch11:22
bigcalmToday's lunch will be the same as yesterday's: chicken super noodles with a good dose of sweet chilli sauce11:23
matttbigcalm: takeaway?11:24
popeymmmm "super" noodles11:24
bigcalmmattt: ?11:24
matttbigcalm: is that instant noodles you cook at home?  or something you buy from take-away?11:24
bigcalmmattt: I will take them away from its packet and the microwave I guess11:24
matttoh11:24
bigcalmmattt: are you from the UK?11:24
bigcalm+not11:25
matttnot originally, been here about 10 years tho :)11:26
bigcalmFair enough :)11:26
matttpart of my problem is that i don't read thoroughly when i switch to irc :)11:26
bigcalmSuper Noodles are as common as Pot Noodles...11:26
mattti see chicken, noodles, and sweet chilli sauce :)11:26
bigcalmPowdered chicken flavour11:27
bigcalmThat is likely to be suitable for vegetarians11:28
matttmmmmmsg11:28
BassettsDoes anyone know a way of contacting Daviey that ensures he will see my message?11:29
popeyemail him11:31
popeyor pm him, he will see it11:31
DJonesThat was a nice smooth upgrade to 12.10, only issues I can see are that the thunderbird launcher icon doesn't appear to flag up new emails and the desktop doesn't always show new files until nautilus/home folder is opened, other than that its been the best upgrade I've had11:32
popey\o/11:32
popeyHAPPY BIRTHDAY IKONIA!11:33
davmor2happy birthday ikonia11:35
constrictorDJones: Is it just me or is it harder to create bookmarks in nautilus than it was in 12.04 I remember some drag and drop functionality11:35
DJonesconstrictor: Not somethingh I've tried11:35
popeyi cant do it drag/drop in 12.04 either11:36
davmor2constrictor: what you mean ctrl+D ?11:36
davmor2constrictor: in 12.04 and 12.10 it was a case of menu → bookmarks → add bookmark or cntl+D11:38
CaMasonthe 12.04 livecd has a duplicate-source issue. Anyone know a quick fix so I can install something?11:50
CaMasonactually nevermind, I commented out 2 lines in sources.list and its now working11:52
mgdmI was just typing that :P11:52
mgdmanyone got a suggestion for a cheap-ish SSL certificate provider that isn't GoDaddy?11:53
* mgdm has forgotten the last one he had11:53
CaMasonnow to figure out where I enable the universe sources..11:53
CaMasongot it. Hidden in software centre11:54
constrictordavmor2: I am almost certain that I could drag a folder from the main view into the tree view to create a bookmark11:58
davmor2constrictor: nope I think that was back when gnome wasn't removing every piece of functionality they could from nautilus12:03
MyrttiO12:22
MyrttiI'm only just upgrading my sisters machine to 12.04.1 - a bit scary.12:23
popeydirecthex, you appear to be talking to yourself on twitter :)12:24
popeymgdm, startssl?12:25
directhexpopey, occasionally i click reply on the wrong post in an argument.12:25
popeyheh12:25
directhexit boggles the mind that anyone would look at those reddit comments and not think "holy excrement"12:26
popeywell indeed12:26
AlanBellI don't get reddit at all12:27
directhexevery subreddit is its own community. /r/linux is the worst of the neckbeards12:28
mungojerryi'm not sure i understand the rage at the comments12:28
AlanBellhorrible UI, obnoxious people, plus the Ubuntu Community team and Barak Obama12:28
mungojerryi think he just said , hire good people.12:29
directhexsome subreddit communities are very nice12:29
mungojerrydon't hire minorities because they are under-represented, instead hire good people and treat them equally on merit12:29
mungojerryisn't that what he's saying?12:29
directhexmungojerry, fine on paper. never happened once in real life.12:29
CaMasonwhat's the safest way to copy of the contents of my OS partition to a new disk (and preferably convert to ext4 at the same time) ?12:29
AlanBellmungojerry: in an obnoxious way, yes12:30
directhexmungojerry, he's saying he's actively angry at the idea of a day trying to encourage women to contribute to free software, because clearly the 2% engagement rate right now is as it should be when hiring on merit12:30
directhexCaMason, rsync?12:30
* AlanBell is hiring12:30
AlanBellwe have an equality and diversity policy now12:30
CaMasonis rsync really the best option for the OS partition?12:31
AlanBellall people, including those not called Alan, are welcome to apply12:31
popeyCaMason, boot to live cd and use gparted12:31
popeyit has a copy and paste function12:31
mungojerryi'm all for eqaulity and diversity, but i'm not up for my employer insisnting on my sexual preferences when it shouldn't be an issue12:31
CaMasonpopey, yeah I was thinking that might be safest12:31
directhexstudies have shows than 2 identical candidates for a job, totally identical other than gender, the man will get the job offer - and for more money than a woman.12:31
mungojerryhmm12:31
directhexthat's just fact.12:31
mungojerry"a job"12:32
CaMasonIt's a virtual machine, DiskA is 40GB, but only 10GB used, I want to copy it into DiskB with only 20GB space. So I suppose I'll need to resize the partition first12:32
popeyCaMason, what kind of VM?12:32
CaMasonvirtualbox vdi12:32
umshankeri have issue with 12.04 with bash binary12:33
popeythere are tools to do that12:33
mungojerrydoes vbox do thin provisioning?12:33
popeyyou can clone a disk easily12:33
CaMasonpopey, yeah I can clone, but I don't want every partition on the disk12:33
popeyclone then delete?12:33
CaMasonpossibly, but the target partition is the last partition. Ideally, I want sda3 to be sda1 on the new disk, starting at the beginning, with a dynamic VDI. Currently it's in a 200GB fixed vdi12:34
mungojerrydirecthex, you referring to tech jobs or generally?12:35
CaMasonI think the best option will be create new dynamic (50GB), copy-paste partition over, resize down to 20GB logical, zerofree, compact, then clone again to a new 20gb logical12:36
* daubers just drove an electric car12:36
mungojerrymy employer has stuff like "we welcome applications from under-represented people like enthnic minorities and women", but that shouldn't mean you discriminate in favour of them12:36
CaMasonboot it up and fix grub, convert to ext4, e4defrag12:37
directhexmungojerry, i think the studies generally cover "skilled" jobs, i.e. anything requiring an actual qualification. but tech is particularly bad for being unavailable to women, and nothing in the world moreso than free software except maybe "male model"12:37
CaMasonzerofree again, then vboxmanage --compact12:37
mungojerryi'd rather hire a normal person than a neck beard12:37
CaMasonthen copy to my new SSD. Should be all tidy then12:37
directhexmungojerry, when you're in a position of privilege, anything which doesn't reinforce that privilege is not actually undeserved.12:38
AlanBellrecruiting is non-trivial, doing it properly doesn't happen by accident12:38
daubersmungojerry: I'd hire anyone who could do the job and fit into the existing team12:38
directhexmungojerry, saying "anyone can apply" doesn't make it true, and giving a job to a woman doesn't mean she got it over a more deserving man12:38
CaMasoninterestingly, all my hires came from Twitter12:38
AlanBellyou have to examine that approach for bias12:38
directhexprivilege leads to immense levels of casual bias12:39
mungojerryi've hired many people over the years, and there is bias, and whole panels may have bias.12:39
AlanBell"I recruit from my technical circle of contacts" -> "I have no idea why all the people I recruit look like me, it just happened that way"12:39
AlanBellit is a positive feedback loop12:40
mungojerrybias towards UK workers rather than flying in somebody from romania/greece etc12:40
* Myrtti feels weird reading the conversation12:40
mungojerryUK workers is not racism though12:40
directhexhere's an excellent example of privilege you'd never have thought of: sticking plasters, like for when you cut yourself, are generally available in blue, clear, or caucasian-flesh-tone. ever seen a sticking plaster in black flesh tone?12:40
CaMasonat least we're not racist toward smurfs12:41
AlanBellwonder what colour plasters smurfs who work in kitchens use12:42
mungojerrylike these guys? http://www.stickyskin.co.uk/Stickyskin.co.uk/Welcome_to_Stickyskin.html12:42
Myrttisometimes reading commentary in Daily Mail or similar I feel like I should just hide away under a rock and die there12:42
directhexmungojerry, like those guys. why can't i buy those in boots or tesco? why don't big-brands like elastoplast make them?12:42
mungojerryi see your point, although it's not exactly like white people have bright pink skin either12:43
* mungojerry hasn't used a plaster since he was a teenager12:43
CaMasonare plasters really designed for flesh-matching aesthetic?12:43
davmor2AlanBell: legal requirement for food hygiene and the like, IE it has to stand out12:44
mungojerrythere's thomas the tank engine ones in my drawer12:44
mungojerryasian guy came wearing a miffy one. maybe the reason is that nobody is actually bothered12:44
CaMasonI'd rather have a camp bright pink one12:45
* diplo has all sorts of plasters at home to keep the kids happy12:45
mungojerryi'm a left hander, and as such, most things are designed for righties (85%)12:45
mungojerrye.g. oyster reader , door handles12:45
mungojerrynumeric keypads12:46
CaMasonI know how you feel. I drove through france and couldn't reach the ticket machines :'(12:46
CaMasonunclip belt, climb to other window, pay monies, climb back across and buckle up12:47
CaMasoncamned barrier drops before I can drive off.12:47
diplomungojerry: lefty here as well.. only real issue I have is some forms etc where the stuffs tight to the left12:47
mungojerryi think thats off the point though. i would look to hire a good person, and while i want them to speak/understand/write good english, and do good techie stuff. their name or gender doesn't come into it, ....except12:49
mungojerryi do consider people on a personal basis whether they fit with the dynamic of the team..more of a personality thing though12:49
mungojerrythere's one situation i worked that was very bad for women due to massive chauvinism. although i would eplain the work environment  in interview if it came up, rather than make decision for her.12:51
CaMasonhm, I ran boot-repair which has installed grub2 to the correct disk, but it's not picking up any kernels. I just see `grub>`13:30
Seeker`mungojerry: never noticed a problem with door handles myself13:32
mungojerrySeeker`, well usually they are mirrored on the reverse side :)13:34
mungojerrybut card readers etc are usually positioned for right handers, and it's a juggle trick to extract from my left hand pocket with my left hand and swipe it across the body13:34
Seeker`never noticed a problem with those either :P13:35
Seeker`(am left handed btw)13:35
lazarus_hi13:49
SuperMatthurm, is there any application which allows me to specify a bunch of servers and log files and just allows me to click it and see the log?14:07
mungojerryare the logs actually residing on one server14:07
SuperMattso I can just click on one server, click on syslog and it shows me14:07
SuperMattyup14:07
SuperMattoh14:07
SuperMattno14:07
SuperMatton all the different servers14:07
mungojerryno, since you're supposed to use syslog14:08
SuperMattfair enough14:09
SuperMattcan't really argue with a no14:09
mungojerryunless you allow apache to read them14:09
mungojerrywhich would be bad and naughty14:09
SuperMattgotcha14:10
mungojerrysyslog+ logstash is a good combo14:10
SuperMattI think I'm just asking for something a little silly14:12
mungojerryit might be called password-less ssh :P14:13
SuperMattI was just hoping I could get something a little more graphical14:14
SuperMattoh now that's interesting14:18
SuperMattgedit ssh://user@blah/var/log/blah works14:18
mungojerrynautilus will let you browse it too14:18
CaMasonSuperMatt, I never knew that14:19
SuperMattindeed14:19
SuperMattI'm really just looking for a nicer way to view my logs14:21
mungojerrylogstash14:23
kirrusSuperMatt: have you seen splunk?14:30
SuperMattI have14:31
SuperMattI'm kinda looking for a more lightweight alternative to it14:31
SuperMattwell, I wasn't originally, I was looking for an app where I could just save a list of servers and logs and it'll just display the whole thing with one click14:32
SuperMattI think what I want needs to be written, but it'll have to go at the bottom of my list14:43
matttSuperMatt: have you seen loggly?14:57
SuperMattcloud solution?14:59
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matttSuperMatt: yeah :(15:01
SuperMattideally, I would like a log viewer that looked like this: http://ubuntuone.com/7YmbRuC6OpZbR2isty7Hgm15:34
SuperMattthat was a really quick mockup of what I want15:34
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diploSuperMatt: So get a rsyslog server to compile all your logs15:36
diploI believe there used to be a log viewer built in ?15:36
diploMaybe hack the code for that ?15:36
SuperMattthere is15:36
diploOr use one of many perl/python parser scripts and dump to a db ?15:37
mgdmlogstash might be overkill, but would do that15:44
arossDOTmeWith the "Free Software Only" boot option. Is the kennel linux still contaminated with non-free blobs?15:48
diploI watched a vid on that a while ago mgdm, looked really good15:51
popeyarossDOTme, not sure15:52
popeyprobably15:52
jacobwwhere's the FS only boot option?16:10
davmor2SuperMatt: are they Ubuntu servers, if so use landscape :)16:13
SuperMatthow much does landscape cost?16:15
arossDOTmeThe FS boot option is in a menu in the livecd bootloader menu.16:15
AlanBelljacobw: hit space when you see the vitruvian man then enter to select language, then F6 and it is at the bottom of the list16:16
SuperMattwait, they're not all ubuntu :(16:16
SuperMattI guess I'm just going to have to write my own app. quickly should rock it16:18
ahayzenHi, anyone know how to close the Unity.MusicPlayer in Python 3 correctly as I am getting errors back the second time I open? or is #ubuntu-unity a better place to ask? Many thanks, Andy16:20
SuperMattmight be better off in #quickly16:23
SuperMattare you using quickly?16:23
ahayzenno16:23
SuperMattif not, I look like a fool16:23
SuperMattok16:23
SuperMattI have no idea then :P16:23
ahayzenlol16:23
ahayzenthe error basically says that it has already been exported, but running .unexport() doesn't seem to resolve the issue16:24
bigcalmI've updated /etc/timezone to be 'Europe/London'. The server is updating its clock with ntp. How do I update the system to report the correct time? It's still get to 11:26 CDT16:26
AlanBellanyone want a free Ubuntu DVD? http://ubuntu-uk.org/free-cds/16:29
AlanBelland is everyone all set for the party tomorrow? http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/2006/detail/16:29
gordhave you tried going round the pubs with them, yelling about dvds?16:29
SuperMattYEAH I AM16:29
ahayzengord, nice idea :)16:29
SuperMattcan't decide if I'm going to wear my quantal T or not16:29
* AlanBell observes a lack of popey at the party16:30
SuperMatttsk16:30
SuperMattsee you tomorrow dudettes16:30
SuperMattpeace.16:30
* SuperMatt drops the microphone and struts off stage right16:30
ahayzengord, wonder what would happen if I did that in the Oxford clubs ;)16:30
popeyAlanBell, hard to justify it when I'll be away for two weeks16:32
AlanBellfair enough16:32
AlanBellwe will have fun without you16:32
* AlanBell wonders about taking the camera16:34
AlanBellnah, too hard16:35
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jacobwhttp://what-if.xkcd.com/4/17:07
jacobwoh my lol17:07
arossDOTmepopey:thanks17:11
danfishevening all17:17
danfishAlanBell: any good documentation sites for that camera? Mine arrived this afternoon :)17:18
MartijnVdSdanfish: the wireless thing from last week?17:25
MartijnVdSwhat's the brand/model?17:25
danfishMartijnVdS: yup. Chinese brand - haven't got it to hand as had to do back to work.17:27
MartijnVdSah17:28
danfishhttp://www.easyntech.com/ProductsShow.aspx?id=470#.UH7q7m_R6oY <- this one I think17:29
MartijnVdS●Certified by Microsoft activeX17:30
MartijnVdS!17:30
MartijnVdS"Embedded Linux OS" -- time to get the source :)17:30
danfishheh - I'm sure it's fully open source and documented ;)17:31
MartijnVdSdanfish: never hurts to ask for source17:31
MartijnVdSJPT3815w according to AlanBell's G+17:31
danfishtx17:32
MartijnVdSapparently, there's firmware here: www.rewont.com/web/firmwaredownload.html17:35
MartijnVdSbut I can't connect to that because of a DNS error17:35
jacobwthere's firmware at a dns label that doesn't exist?17:35
danfishworks from here - 67.220.193.19717:37
jacobwhttps://skydrive.live.com/redir.aspx?cid=d4da438e8557806d&resid=D4DA438E8557806D!128&parid=D4DA438E8557806D!12317:37
jacobwit works17:37
jacobwoh, that's the link for their 0.37.2.36 device firmware17:37
danfishbeen given some real work to do. Laters17:38
MartijnVdSI love how their firmware is on skydrive17:38
MartijnVdSdanfish: it works from my VPS, but at home I get NXDOMAIN17:39
AlanBellfirmware version is higher on the device17:52
AlanBellbut the downloads are interesting17:53
AlanBellweb stuff is uncompresed17:53
AlanBellthe firmware has linux.bin at the start17:54
AlanBellI suspect it may be possible to tweak the binary firmware to turn on telnetd17:55
MartijnVdSAlanBell: I suspect there's a simple serial port inside the device waiting to be tapped ;)17:56
AlanBellprobably, I did take it apart17:56
AlanBellmostly looking for an SD card17:56
AlanBellthere isnt one17:57
MartijnVdShttp://laforge.gnumonks.org/weblog/2012/04/09/#20120409-name_that_uart17:57
AlanBellthe arm chip is what you are squeezing if you overtighten the mounting btw17:58
MartijnVdSAlanBell: http://wiki.openwrt.org/doc/hardware/port.serial#finding.serial.console17:58
MartijnVdSAlanBell: ARM? Not MIPS?17:58
MartijnVdSmost wifi socs are mips17:58
AlanBellarm17:59
MartijnVdSnoice17:59
AlanBellwifi is an attached module17:59
davmor2MartijnVdS: Noice where yam from the bluack countray18:00
MartijnVdSdavmor2: "noyce, adj. - nice if said by a dutchman or an aussie. cockney or phoenetic pronunciation"18:02
MartijnVdSaccording to urbandictionary18:02
MartijnVdS<- Dutch18:02
davmor2MartijnVdS: I have never heard a Cockney use the term Noice,  Black Country and Brummies use it all the time though18:03
* MartijnVdS found this twitter account.. it tweets Dutch sayings/proverbs/etc. into _very bad_ English (translates words one at a time and chooses the worst possible one, basically)18:07
MartijnVdShttps://twitter.com/DutchSpeakwords/status/25862835295970918518:07
jacobwincluding 'speakwords'?18:08
MartijnVdSjacobw: "proverb" in Dutch is "spreekwoord" ("speak word")18:08
jacobwi see18:08
MartijnVdSand "in de gaten houden" ("keep in the holes") means "to keep an eye on".. as you probably guessed from the picture18:09
jacobw" Do normal then do you all crazy enough"18:09
MartijnVdSjacobw: yes! It's the worst translations.. sometimes he (it?) doesn't even translate and uses a homophone from English instead ("al" means "already" not "all") :)18:10
MartijnVdSit's funny if you know both languages really18:10
jacobw:)18:12
Myrttiso, the upgrade went pretty well apart from some glitching when in Ubuntu sessions - XFCE4 looks so far ok and unglitchy18:53
andylockranhey gusy19:18
andylockranis there a way to connect to a tty1 of a machine once you're logged in on ssh19:18
andylockranI've got tty1 displayed on a remote screen and I'd like my typing to be displayed there19:19
SuperEngineerCurious... why isn't Searchmonkey a default Ubuntu software package? [not exactly too big too to fit... & far from useless!]19:22
andylockranman, I am "loving" this :)  control4 system in the house, with my ubuntu xbmc setup with it too :)19:22
foooooollo.  i made a script executable and it runs fine on xubuntu.  i've copied it to an ubuntu machine and it complains that there aren't permissions to run it.  it has +x and correct owner, so what could be happening?19:22
foooooolcan't even autocomplete when trying to run it as an executable in a console, as if it was a text file19:23
popeySuperEngineer, never heard of it19:23
andylockranas geeky as I am; this means I can potentially have my nagios screen showing the overview screen when I'm having a shower :)19:23
andylockran(got a TV built into the bathroom wall)19:23
Nafalloandylockran: ubuntu release countdown!19:24
foooooolheh19:24
andylockranNafallo: probably the coolest /away19:25
andylockranlol - it's a shame it's so last minute :)19:25
andylockrancould put up a screen and take a pic though19:25
andylockran:p19:25
Nafalloandylockran: no no. no pics of you in the shower!19:25
Neoti_LaptopLOL... nagios in the shower... now theres a new one .... hehe19:26
foooooolso starting with the basics, can someone confirm that this is "not supposed to be happening"?19:26
Nafalloandylockran: IRC with releaseparty scrolling by! ;-)19:26
andylockranfooooool: check your path :p19:26
andylockranecho $PATH19:26
fooooooli'm in the path19:26
fooooool./fileiwanttorun19:26
andylockranls -l fileiwanttorun19:26
fooooool-rwxr-xr-x#19:27
fooooooluser and group both me19:27
foooooolcan't do ./fil<tab>19:27
foooooolsurely there is nothing else to it? :P19:28
andylockranwhat's the #19:29
popeyfilesystem mounted noexec?19:29
fooooool# was typo :|19:29
popeywhat if you type "file fileiwanttorun"19:29
foooooolpopey, nope19:29
foooooola /usr/bin/php5 script text executable19:29
popeynope?19:30
SuperEngineerpopey: seriously, never heard of Searchmonkey? it's in the package list, it works, it's simple19:30
foooooolto mounted noexec19:30
popeywhats the first line of the file fooooool19:30
* SuperEngineer suspects popey is pulling one's leg19:30
popeyno SuperEngineer19:30
fooooool#!/usr/bin/php519:30
foooooolwhich exists19:31
fooooool;)19:31
popeywhat if you run /usr/bin/php5 ./fileblahblah19:32
andylockranfool - send me the file (via a pastebin) if you can19:32
fooooooli'm thinking maybe gremlins or supernatural phenomena?19:32
foooooolpopey, yup, that runs it19:32
SuperEngineer!Searchmonkey19:32
andylockrandon't suppose anyone knows how to wake up a monitor attached to a remote ubuntu machine19:33
foooooolso something broken with whatever decides what interpreter to use?19:33
andylockranvia ssh connection to said remote machine19:33
Nafalloandylockran: sure do. plug in a keyboard and press CTRL19:33
Nafallooh19:34
andylockranNafallo: 'remote'19:34
Nafalloandylockran: remote hands? ;-)19:34
andylockranI said remote, in reality it's in the cupboard19:34
DJonesHow would you know if the monitor had come on if its remote :)19:34
andylockranthe monitor is in front of me19:34
andylockranthe computer is in the cupboard19:35
andylockranI've got CAT6 cabling throughout the new flat19:35
SuperEngineerpopey: oh well - from synaptic: "SearchMonkey is a light-weight Gtk application19:35
SuperEngineerthat aims to replace the cumbersome find/grep with a slick user interface that quickly provides a mark-up showing locations and quantity of text matches. The goal is to provide a simple to use and accessible search tool for19:35
SuperEngineerend-users, and software developers alike.19:35
andylockranand got hdmi over the cat6 to get the screen in the bathroom to display the computer in the cupboard19:35
andylockranalso got some usb over cat6 adaptors for keyboard/mouse .etc19:35
foooooolthanks popey, at least i have a workaround now19:36
Nafalloandylockran: AFAIK it can't be done :-)19:36
Nafalloandylockran: you can tweak it not to go into sleep state to start with, but once there...19:36
andylockranNafallo: Ok; will have to check the instruction manual for the TV19:37
Nafalloandylockran: no no. the TV wouldn't care.19:37
Nafalloandylockran: the graphics card goes to sleep after a while inactivity.19:37
Nafallothat's more likely to be the issue :-)19:37
Nafallosaves power etc ;-)19:38
andylockranx2x my be a solution :)19:38
andylockranor probably synergy19:39
andylockran:p19:39
Nafallois the thingie running graphical stuff?19:39
Nafallo!info vino19:39
lubotu3vino (source: vino): VNC server for GNOME. In component main, is optional. Version 3.4.2-0ubuntu1.1 (precise), package size 161 kB, installed size 548 kB19:39
Nafallovino is in main = supported :-)19:40
popeyhttp://www.iloveubuntu.net/cowsay-terminal-utility-ponysay-28-released-new-ponies-and-fixes-ppa-available19:40
popeyOMG!19:40
andylockran:p19:41
Nafallopopey: ... Ubuntu ?19:41
SuperMattponysay? oh very dear19:41
SuperEngineerpopey: searchmonkey origin = precise/universe (i.e. archive.ubuntu.com)19:41
Nafallo!info searchmonkey19:42
lubotu3searchmonkey (source: searchmonkey): search files using regular expressions aiming to replace find/grep tools. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.1-8 (precise), package size 218 kB, installed size 499 kB19:42
SuperEngineercheers Nafallo19:42
* Nafallo likes !info19:43
NafalloSuperEngineer: hrm... would you have a cape with a set of screwdriver bits on it?19:44
Nafalloas in, printed.19:44
Nafallologo kind of19:44
SuperEngineerNafallo: ...and a grapling hook19:44
Nafalloisn't the grapling hook a little bit to much Quake though?19:45
Nafallos/to/&o/19:45
SuperEngineerNafallo: only use it when this planet's gravity is not compatible with my own planet's19:46
Nafalloaha. gotcha19:46
Nafallobut then, if you can't control gravity... where do the "Super" come into play?19:47
SuperEngineerNafallo: because....19:48
SuperEngineerNafallo: I am..19:48
SuperEngineerNafallo: SuperEngineer19:49
* Nafallo prefers popey :-)19:49
* SuperEngineer bets he hasn't to carry on working with a broken nose today!19:50
* SuperEngineer wipes blood & tries to brief 19:50
SuperEngineer*breath19:50
Nafallohe's clever enough not to break it in the first place :-)19:51
SuperEngineerthat's because he doesn't work with machines that attc19:51
SuperEngineerattack19:51
SuperEngineerso back to original q.: why isn't Searchmonkey a default Ubuntu software package?19:54
NafalloSuperEngineer: because it's very specific and not necessary for popey's mum?19:57
* SuperEngineer waits for crying noise from Nafallo when popey hits Nafallo20:00
Nafalloyou got our relationship all wrong. we do hugs, not hits.20:02
popey+120:02
Nafallo:-)20:02
SuperEngineersee if i care - but still no answer20:03
Nafallo*giggle*20:03
* SuperEngineer giggles as Naffand popey hug20:03
* SuperEngineer giggles as Nafallo d popey hug20:03
popeyyou could ask the same question of many apps in the repo20:03
popeythere are thousands20:03
popeywhy is that one special?20:03
Nafallopopey: libpam-google-authenticator. pure love!20:04
SuperEngineerurm... because it's useful?20:04
SuperEngineerthe name describes it to the user20:04
popeyso are all the others20:04
popeyit didnt to me20:04
popeyI had no clue what it was until you pasted the doc20:04
SuperEngineerah well ... lost cause then20:05
* SuperEngineer sulks20:05
* popey shrugs20:05
SuperEngineerSuperEngineer: blows kisses anyway20:06
SuperEngineer...& crosses Searchmonkey off list of "would be nice if included as default"... no hope - sigh20:08
NafalloSuperEngineer: monkey is useful. seriously?! ;-)20:09
AlanBell[5~[6~[6~[6~20:15
AlanBelloops20:16
* SuperEngineer spots a password20:16
SuperEngineer...& brainwashes self20:16
mgdmno, escape characters20:20
* Nafallo considers escaping himself20:21
AlanBellescape chars, from the phone20:22
SuperEngineerI used that excuse once, but for different reasons ;)20:24
dwatkinsEscape characters would make for an interesting password... can't remember it? Look up the colour combination.20:28
NafalloI'd totally use the rainbow flag somewhere...20:29
Nafallowho would guess that!20:29
Nafallothat said... I'm moving away from passwords on my machines :-P20:29
NafalloOTP FTW20:29
andylockrangrumpy :(20:31
dogmatic69I guess this is not the job for me... http://careers.stackoverflow.com/jobs/24402/progressive-non-dogmatic-software-engineer-wayfair20:33
Nafallolol20:34
Nafalloyou should totally apply ;-)20:34
dogmatic69I thought so too.20:35
bootljhfdsdsAlanBell, popey's post today of the german dude had me in stiches for a good half an hour :)20:45
swattor_evening21:23
SuperMatt'ning21:26
SuperMattoh, I've just found something annoying... my previous software centre purchaces (i.e. the last two humble bundles) don't yet work in quantal21:36
SuperMattis this something that's going to be magically changed tomorrow?21:36
popeyno21:36
SuperMattwhat's going to happen then?21:37
SuperMattor indeed, what should happen?21:37
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ali1234what's going to happen? a lot of people are going to be annoyed, then some new unity features will be released and everyone will go back to complaining about that.22:17

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