[00:26] <rick_h_> jcastro_: ping
[00:50] <jcastro_> rick_h_: pong
[00:51] <rick_h_> jcastro_: pm
[01:09] <snap-l> Man, fuck flash
[01:09] <brousch> In the neck
[01:11] <brousch> Where did they find a sea cow to moderate?
[01:12] <brousch> Wow, totally wrong channel
[01:13] <rick_h_> ummm...yea
[01:14] <snap-l> brousch: Ouch
[01:15] <brousch> Yeah, I am a scrub
[01:16] <brousch> I will blame the Dragon's Milk
[01:18] <Blazeix> it does not seem wise for Romney to be pushing oil and coal.
[01:20] <snap-l> This is a sideshow
[01:20] <snap-l> Interrupting cow
[01:21] <snap-l> Obama just needs to give Romney enough rope to hang himself
[01:24] <Blazeix> seriously. moderator needs a mute button.
[01:36] <snap-l> Wow, loaded question
[01:41] <snap-l> Wow.
[01:42] <snap-l> Romney sounds condescending on this women in the workforce issue
[01:42] <Blazeix> "you know what this cabinet needs? some babes"
[01:42] <snap-l> I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought that
[01:42] <snap-l> And by glad, I mean that's pathetic.
[01:43] <Blazeix> ... "they're going to be so anxious for workers they're going to be happy to hire women"
[01:43] <Blazeix> that could have been better phrased, perhaps.
[01:46] <snap-l> Damn, that's a heavy question
[01:49] <snap-l> Tapdance
[01:50] <Blazeix> hah, i have the exact opposite comments.
[01:50] <Blazeix> weak fluffy question, and romney actually answered it
[01:50] <Blazeix> ...maybe our streams aren't synched :)
[01:50] <snap-l> No, he did answer it, but that was a tapdance
[01:51] <snap-l> It was a tough question
[01:51] <snap-l> But he executed
[01:52] <rick_h_droid> wahoo he scores!
[01:52] <rick_h_droid> oh wait... wrong event
[01:52] <snap-l> Hah
[01:52] <rick_h_droid> :-p
[01:52] <Blazeix> oh god, now that was an even weaker question
[01:53] <snap-l> Blazeix: Yeah, but easy to whiff
[02:00] <snap-l> You were born abroad. That doesn't make you a fucking immigrant.
[02:10] <rick_h_> upvotes please http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4662528
[02:10] <snap-l> No account, unfortunately.
[02:10] <rick_h_> boooo
[02:11] <Blazeix> voted
[02:15] <snap-l> Why hasn't Obama solved the entire middle east problem
[02:15] <brousch> Yeah, I mean if anyone can solve it, it would be a Muslim like Obama
[02:15] <snap-l> hah
[02:16] <snap-l> And he did a mid-east tour to let folks know we weren't going to turn the whole damn region into glass
[02:17] <Blazeix> ok, i like this moderator
[02:18] <Blazeix> is the moderator often armed with transcripts of speeches? that should be a thing, if not.
[02:18] <snap-l> I think she has people on staff to handle this
[02:19] <snap-l> I'd be surprised if she isn't wired.
[02:19] <snap-l> COol, Obama can cure people too
[02:21] <brousch> The Obamessiah
[02:24] <snap-l> BAM!
[02:24] <Blazeix> yikes, romney is losing to both Obama AND the moderator
[02:27] <snap-l> I wish these questions didn't sound like letters to the editor / Santa
[02:28] <Blazeix> i think they populated the audience with a bunch of librarians
[02:28] <snap-l> hah
[02:28] <Blazeix> and that guy from the brain trust or whatever
[02:29] <snap-l> "Erm, I'd like to know your opinion on, erm, the DC comics reboot, and if you think the transition of The Oracle back to Barbara Gordon / Batgirl disempowers disabled folk"
[02:30] <Blazeix> snap-l++
[02:30] <brousch> snap-l: I have no idea what you're talking about
[02:32] <snap-l> brousch: Neither do I. :)
[02:32] <snap-l> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Gordon
[02:33] <snap-l> Oh fuck
[02:34] <brousch> TL;DR
[02:35] <snap-l> brousch: Your loss
[02:35] <brousch> Ignorance is bliss
[02:36] <snap-l> I'm going to ask a tough question. DO you enjoy top or bottom?
[02:36] <snap-l> Please tell us something we didn't know.
[02:37] <brousch> Stupid question
[02:37] <snap-l> Yeah, this is pretty silly.
[02:38] <snap-l> I'll get everyone up
[04:02] <snap-l> God, I want to punch this band's website.
[04:03] <snap-l> http://www.moskeo.com/
[12:07] <rick_h_> kind of cool, street view of a DC http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=avP5d16wEp0
[12:07] <brousch> Washington DC?
[12:08] <brousch> That's a lot of servers
[12:21] <rick_h_> from http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2012/10/ff-inside-google-data-center/all/
[12:28] <snap-l> Well that was fun
[12:28] <snap-l> UPS shut down hard, with just a single tone
[12:29] <brousch> heh
[12:29] <snap-l> I'm sure it protected me from something ,but I'm not sure what.
[12:30] <brousch> Or the battery is going bad
[12:31] <snap-l> possible
[12:48] <rick_h_> ah USPS, my old friend https://tools.usps.com/go/TrackConfirmAction?qtc_tLabels1=9400110200881515599448
[12:50] <snap-l> OK, just had my machine suspend for no reason
[12:50] <brousch> USPS tracking is useless
[12:50] <snap-l> I think my UPS is acting up
[12:50] <rick_h_> I just love that it said it would be delivered the 15th
[12:50] <snap-l> wonder if it's related to a four-legged friend of mine.
[12:50] <rick_h_> and still says it
[12:51] <rick_h_> snap-l: ooh, kitty chewed cords are fun
[13:50] <brad__> anyone else in here listen to Wdet?
[13:50] <snap-l> On occasion
[13:50] <rick_h_> nope
[13:50] <brad__> any idea what happened to marketplace at 6pm ?
[13:50] <rick_h_> only radio is 97.1 for my sports fix otherwise it's streaming/podcasts/etc
[13:50] <snap-l> brad__: No idea. They seem to have nixed it
[13:51] <snap-l> I've been listening to it on SiriusXM until my subscription runs out
[13:52] <snap-l> nullspace: I noticed that as well. I know 91.7 is still playing it, but at 6:30pm
[13:52] <nullspace> that sucks, so I get to hear all thing considered repeat the news twice instead of hearing about economic news, lame
[13:52] <snap-l> But frankly it got me to subscribe back to the podcast feed.
[13:52] <snap-l> WDET's been really schitzo re: their schedule
[13:53] <snap-l> Ever since they made the big move to pull Ed Love from weekdays, that really soured me on the station
[13:54] <nullspace> I have a script to pull and splice news articles and the mornign report podcast in the morning
[13:59] <snap-l> from the podcast feed?
[14:17] <jrwren> that google data center isn't nearly as awesome as I would have hoped.
[14:18] <snap-l> jrwren: It's only because Google doesn't want to show you their hovercars
[14:18] <snap-l> self-driving
[14:18] <snap-l> That's for a future Google-IO
[14:18] <jrwren> i agree.
[14:19] <jrwren> the very power efficient data centers are trade secret. the big guys are keeping it to themselves
[14:20] <snap-l> I think there's some benefit to sharing notes on this, though
[14:20] <rick_h_> yea, the end of the article brings it all to light
[14:20] <snap-l> You don't have to show everything
[14:20] <rick_h_> now that they've got the next gen DC going up they can show off last gen
[14:20] <rick_h_> "here, let's open source win95"
[14:20] <snap-l> rick_h_: ++
[14:22]  * rick_h_ needs to be medicated today 
[14:22] <rick_h_> come on CHC...is it quitting time yet?
[14:25] <jrwren> the things in this wired article are things which were known publicly 10 yrs ago.
[14:25] <jrwren> use water, keep the server room warmer, use batteries instead of traditional ups.
[14:25] <rick_h_> right
[14:26] <rick_h_> but they got to see it, they street viewed the DC
[14:26] <rick_h_> there was general info, but not pics
[14:26] <rick_h_> "pics or it didn't happen"
[14:26] <jrwren> yup
[14:26] <jrwren> i see.
[14:26] <snap-l> Does anyone know of a good comparison between Windows CPU and Linux CPU scheduling that I can pass along to someone
[14:26] <jrwren> but i wonder if they have inovated even more.
[14:26] <snap-l> rick_h_: Three guesses why. ;)
[14:26] <rick_h_> but yea, the temp stuff has been known for a while
[14:27] <jrwren> rick_h_: which linux scheduler, there are numerous ones.
[14:27] <rick_h_> snap-l: oh you've got to be kidding me...scheduler? FIX THE FING CODE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[14:27] <jrwren> maybe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Completely_Fair_Scheduler ?
[14:27] <snap-l> jrwren: Just a broad overview
[14:27] <rick_h_> hulk rick says "SCHEDULER NO FIX BROKEN A$$ CODE"
[14:27] <jrwren> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scheduling_%28computing%29 then? compare section 3.1 to 3.4.3
[14:28] <devinheitmueller> There are a variety of different scheduling algorithms under Linux.  That said, whatever the problem is is almost certainly *not* the scheduler.
[14:28] <rick_h_> devinheitmueller: yea, you'd have to know/see this crap if it's what I think it is
[14:29] <jrwren> no no, snap-l just wants to point something out to a windows person
[14:29] <rick_h_> pile of crap on top of crap on top of crap
[14:29] <devinheitmueller> (and if the person doesn't know how the Linux scheduler works compared to Windows, he/she is certainly not qualified to blame the scheduler)
[14:29] <rick_h_> no, clearly they've maxed out the 64GB of ram windows machine and hoping a 64GB linux machine will run faster
[14:29] <jrwren> i don't think anyone is blaming the scheduler
[14:29] <snap-l> Well, the problem is that OpenSSH on the Windows machine is becoming unresponsive
[14:29] <rick_h_> oh I bet someone is...living in NC
[14:30] <jrwren> the first problem is openssh on windows.
[14:30] <rick_h_> lol
[14:30] <snap-l> Previously one core was dedicated (how, I'm not sure) to openssh
[14:30] <snap-l> and now even that is not enough
[14:30] <devinheitmueller> Does Windows even support dedicated CPU affinity?
[14:30] <jrwren> zomg, processor affinity on a process?
[14:30] <jrwren> devinheitmueller: fuck yes it does.
[14:31] <devinheitmueller> Well, I know you can do a per-process affinity, but I didn't realize you could dedicate a processor exclusively to a single process.
[14:31] <snap-l> devinheitmueller: I know as much about Windows scheduling as a 8 year old boy knows about girls
[14:31] <snap-l> they exist, and they're icky.
[14:31] <jrwren> watch a few russinovich presentations if you want to learn about NT Kernel stuff like this.
[14:32] <devinheitmueller> Lord.  If you're dedicating an entire CPU to openssh, you're doing somethign wrong.
[14:32] <devinheitmueller> I've actually done NT kernel development, and have been reading sysinternals since the early 2000's.
[14:32] <jrwren> by CPU you mean core, right? so if it is a 64core server, only 1 core isn't so bad to dedicate.
[14:32] <jrwren> but you certainly DO NOT NEED TO DO THIS
[14:32] <snap-l> I think it's cores, yes
[14:32] <snap-l> It's an Amazon EC2 instance
[14:32] <snap-l> so it's virtual, whatever it's using
[14:33] <jrwren> ec2 instance, there is your second problem :)
[14:33] <snap-l> jrwren: I think that's problem #5, frankly.
[14:33] <devinheitmueller> Is openssh *completely* unresponsive?  Or is responsiveness just poor?
[14:33] <snap-l> devinheitmueller: It's not responding to outside requests.
[14:33] <rick_h_> all he probably knows is that he can't init a new ssh connection
[14:33] <devinheitmueller> At all?  Or just slowly?
[14:33] <snap-l> I tried it yesterday and was unable to get it to ack anything
[14:34] <devinheitmueller> Firewall problem?
[14:34] <snap-l> devinheitmueller: Unlikely
[14:34] <devinheitmueller> Well, it's EC2, so it's not unheard of.
[14:34] <snap-l> unless the windows firewall somehow gets triggered
[14:34] <rick_h_> ec2 has auto firewall based on security setup
[14:34] <devinheitmueller> If you get onto the box, do you see OpenSSH listening on the port via netstat?
[14:35] <devinheitmueller> Also, if you tcpdump, do you see the TCP handshake completing?
[14:35] <snap-l> devinheitmueller: will pass along, but I have no direct access to this machine
[14:35] <snap-l> just passing along postulations
[14:35] <devinheitmueller> Yeah, jumping to the notion that it's a scheduler problem seems like a real stretch.  Much more likely to be some sort of networking problem.
[14:35] <snap-l> frankly, this would be on a Linux machine
[14:36] <snap-l> if it were my baliwick
[15:00] <brousch> This is pretty cool. An Android app with Python embedded in the APK, and a full screen gui https://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/gyrotest-PythonAPK.apk
[15:01] <brousch> I think all of the pieces I need are there
[16:40] <snap-l> Release party information: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-michigan/2049/detail/
[16:41] <snap-l> Hopefully this will work out for most folks.
[16:43]  * snap-l is hoping to delegate the release party planning to someone else in the near future.
[16:46] <snap-l> If you're planning on attending (even if you're undecided) please RSVP.
[16:46] <snap-l> Want to have an accurate count if possible.
[17:24] <brousch> snap-l: You need to leverage your Canonical employee friends ;)
[17:35] <jcastro_> and by friends he means rick
[17:36] <snap-l> jcastro_: We've been leveraging on rick_h_
[17:36] <snap-l> He was like a proto-jcastro
[17:36] <snap-l> But now that the real thing is back in Michigan... ;)
[17:37] <rick_h_> what are we using me for?
[17:40] <jcastro_> I see what you did there
[17:40] <jcastro_> well, I will be close to the Ypsi brewery
[17:41] <jcastro_> finally. Good to see openiduser626 join  us.
[17:43] <rick_h_> grrr this sim/att crap is annoying as $#@$@#
[17:45] <snap-l> jcastro_: You're also close to the Ypsi library
[17:45] <snap-l> where they have a fireplace.
[17:45] <snap-l> Fortunately nowhere near Farenheit 451
[17:47] <greg-g> ba dum ching
[17:48] <brousch> snap-l: Was your release party tweet supposed to have a link?
[17:48] <snap-l> brousch: It's from identi.ca
[17:48] <snap-l> so no, no link
[17:51] <greg-g> brousch:  http://identi.ca/event/10bd74ea-e454-430f-883e-e24364193567!!!!!
[17:51] <snap-l> Just sent another one with the link
[17:51] <greg-g> er
[17:51] <greg-g> brousch:  http://identi.ca/event/10bd74ea-e454-430f-883e-e24364193567   !!!!!
[17:52] <brousch> ah
[18:38] <lmorchard> I'm still not sure why I'm "openiduser626" or how to fix that
[18:38] <brousch> you look like lmorchard to me
[18:38]  * waldo323_ registered
[18:39] <lmorchard> On here I don't, or at least not to me: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-michigan/2049/detail/
[18:39] <lmorchard> Though launchpad.net thinks I'm "lmorchard"
[18:39] <brousch> Pidgin says you're lmorchard
[18:40] <lmorchard> Yeah, but I'm talking about that event page, like jcastro_ mentioned
[18:40]  * rick_h_ is going to bomb att soon
[18:40] <brousch> Ah, now I see
[18:40] <lmorchard> Far as I can tell, there's no way for me to affect that name
[19:05] <snap-l> lmorchard: Do you have your full name set in your launchpad profile
[19:05] <lmorchard> As far as I can tell, yeah: https://launchpad.net/~lmorchard
[19:05] <snap-l> Yeah, not seeing anything off
[19:06] <snap-l> https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-team-portal/+filebug
[19:06] <snap-l> Post the link of your bug in here, and we'll see it gets attention
[19:11] <lmorchard> I think there might be existing bugs, my fuzzy memory tells me
[19:11] <lmorchard> I seem to remember this being an issue for me when I first registered a year ago :)
[19:17] <rick_h_> bwuhahaha, ATT support person that says it won't work...it works boom!
[19:19] <snap-l> https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-team-portal/+bug/574049 <- lmorchard, please say this bug affects you.
[19:19] <snap-l> There's a link at the top that should ask if it affects you.
[19:19] <lmorchard> It sounds like it affects me, but I did in fact login from launchpad.net
[19:20]  * lmorchard clicks the link
[19:21] <snap-l> Danke
[19:27] <brousch> snap-l: I'm setting up a west MI event now
[19:34] <snap-l> brousch: Awesome!
[19:34] <snap-l> Do you have edit perms to add it to the calendar?
[19:34] <brousch> I can add it to the events
[19:35] <brousch> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-michigan/2051/detail/
[19:38] <jjesse> did ubuntu release while I was out and about today?
[19:40] <brousch> I don't think so
[19:40] <jjesse> just saw some weird announcements on my feed
[19:49] <brousch> snap-l: I'll advertise it tomorrow