[01:55] <Cheri703> gilbert: if you want to collaborate on responses to the re-approval stuff, let me know
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[13:04] <thafreak> Morning Ohio
[14:15] <paultag> holla
[14:28] <yano> good morning
[14:28] <yano> anyone have any specific websites / RSS feeds they use to catch up on Ohio news?
[14:30] <paultag> not here, sadly, I used to read the plain dealer every morning
[14:30] <paultag> a rather low-tech solution
[14:32] <yano> ah, i'm looking for more sources for ##ohio-news, so far it's only central ohio newspapers and radio/tv stations that do news/politics
[14:32] <paultag> Hahahahaha -- http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14232970
[14:32] <paultag> yano: oh word, cool
[14:33] <yano> paultag: lol
[14:36] <yano> i'm open to any suggestions if anyone has any for local news that have RSS feeds
[14:39] <Cheri703> yano: you can do a google news search for ohio? I think you can set up rss or at least alerts. not 100% sure
[14:39] <yano> Well I'm not really looking for 'alerts' but feeds I can feed into an IRC bot.
[14:41] <paultag> web scrapers :>
[14:41] <yano> hehe
[14:44] <canthus13> ...I just spent 20 minutes trying to figure out why my wife's rc.lua wouldn't load.  I was editing it from an ssh session on my laptop... on my user accont on her laptop. :/
[14:47] <paultag> :(
[14:49] <canthus13> paultag: quite the d'oh moment.
[14:50] <paultag> yah, totally
[14:50] <paultag> canthus13: so, I think I'm going to tweak my hairycandy setup to better configure awesome
[14:50] <paultag> canthus13: I'm going to try something crazy here -- xfce + awesome
[14:50] <canthus13> Hmm...
[14:51] <paultag> after using awesome for about 6 months, I see where it's good and where it sucks
[14:51] <paultag> I think this can work.
[14:51] <canthus13> cool.
[14:51] <paultag> so I might need a tester, if you're up for it
[14:51] <paultag> I just need to, well, do it
[14:51] <yano> awesome is awesome!
[14:51] <canthus13> I might... I'm kinda annoyed with the gnome-settings-daemon's tendency to eat your mouse clicks.
[14:51] <paultag> awesome is okish :)
[14:52] <paultag> it's just not bad
[14:52] <paultag> it needs a lot of work, though
[14:55] <canthus13> but yeah, I'll test it.
[14:55] <paultag> there are some concerns
[14:55] <paultag> but yep
[14:57] <paultag> canthus13: but yah, the notifications are much much better with xfce's handling
[14:57] <paultag> and the toolbar can actually work pretty darn well with the awesomewm bar
[14:57]  * canthus13 nods.
[14:58]  * canthus13 isn't fond of toolbars.
[14:58] <paultag> I didn't think I was either
[14:58] <canthus13> laptop screens aren't really made for them.
[14:59] <canthus13> paultag: Do you know of a terminal that doesn't eat long links in awesome? gnome-terminal clips anything that wraps around.  Doesn't do that in gnome3. :/
[14:59] <paultag> canthus13: I use gnome-terminal and it doesn't clip here
[14:59] <canthus13> odd.
[15:00] <paultag> jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff ← came out ok, I can read this a few screens "over"
[15:00] <canthus13> mebbe it's gnome-terminal + ssh + screen + irssi.
[15:00] <paultag> do you have another session open screen open?
[15:01] <paultag> erm
[15:01] <paultag> that came out wrong
[15:01] <paultag> one sec
[15:01] <canthus13> like.. this:  http://www.ebay.com/itm/DEC-Digital-Model-PDP-11-03-L-Vintage-Computer-/370664514436?pt=US_Vintage_Computers_Mainframes&hash=item564d53a384
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[20:24] <gilbert> Cheri703: if you have anything to say, please feel free to contribute it to the bug report
[20:24] <paultag> hey gilbert
[20:24] <Cheri703> k
[20:24] <gilbert> Cheri703: i'm busy, so i'm trying to get to things fast enough, but we only have till the 22nd to address concerns
[20:24] <paultag> gilbert: been watching this flamefest unfold, thanks a lot for that :)
[20:24] <paultag> gilbert: if you respond, the LC usually cuts slack.
[20:24] <paultag> just keep active and you'll be fine
[20:25] <gilbert> paultag: whatz up1
[20:25] <gilbert> !
[20:25] <paultag> gilbert: nada! howabout you? How's Ohio?
[20:25] <gilbert> paultag: flamefest?
[20:25] <paultag> gilbert: debs on upload
[20:25] <gilbert> paultag: ah yes, course
[20:25] <gilbert> paultag: i'm always stirring up trouble
[20:25] <paultag> sure are
[20:25] <gilbert> :/
[20:25] <paultag> (in a good way!)
[20:26] <gilbert> yaya, i wouldn't have it any other way
[20:26] <paultag> wine's in good shape, and now we might actually get to strip debs that come from DDs machines
[20:26] <gilbert> not a fan of maintaining status quos
[20:26] <paultag> I'm tired of seeing odd usernames in my apps
[20:26] <paultag> yah totally
[20:27] <paultag> gilbert: oh man, I'm about to kick up another little bucket of hell myself, soon
[20:27] <gilbert> paultag: nice
[20:27] <paultag> gilbert: I (in secret) rewrote dput to not, well, suck
[20:28] <gilbert> paultag: uh oh, that does sound like trouble
[20:28] <gilbert> paultag: r u going to call it dput?
[20:28] <paultag> dput-ng, naturally
[20:28] <gilbert> :)
[20:28] <paultag> but I'm in the middle of squashing namespace
[20:28] <paultag> gilbert: but -- full documentation, 100% backwards compatable, full tests, correct implementations
[20:28] <paultag> and I'm going through the BTS, and fixing all the open bugs on dput-old
[20:29] <paultag> so I can comment there "Hey, look, dput-ng does this already"
[20:29] <paultag> gilbert: secret project pages - http://dput.rtfd.org/ - http://git.debian.org/?p=collab-maint/dputng.git - http://people.debian.org/~paultag/dput-ng/ -- arno and I did it in a few weeks (daemonkeeper) -- feel free to screw around with it and let me know where you find issues, I've dput stuff to the archive with it already
[20:30] <paultag> gilbert: hell, I got it to *tweet* after an upload - https://twitter.com/paultag/status/257981606139133954
[20:30] <paultag> dcut's incomplete, though
[20:30] <paultag> so be careful if you decide to try it out on your primary devel system
[20:31] <gilbert> haha, nice!
[20:34] <gilbert> seems pretty cool, i'll mess around with it a bit
[20:35] <paultag> gilbert: cheers -- my big seller right now is that it checks changelog suite matches changes distribution
[20:35] <paultag> gilbert: e.g. if you sbuild with -c unstable for an exp package, it'll target unstable and get uploaded there
[20:35] <paultag> unless you do -c unstable -d experimental
[20:35] <paultag> so this checks for that sanity OTB (as well as a few other things)
[20:35] <gilbert> interesting
[20:35] <paultag> It's a bit rough right now, but in the end, it'll be like dput, but better.
[20:36] <gilbert> i'll complain loudly when it doesn't work right ;)
[20:36] <paultag> please! :)
[20:36] <paultag> gilbert: we have a secret channel (#torabora on oftc) if you need to leave something for us to see, but I'm not around (or daemonkeeper)
[20:36] <dzho> I'm having trouble parsing: > Changes which make extending dput downstream will likely be accepted in dput main.
[20:37] <paultag> dzho: yah, it's poorly written
[20:37] <dzho> it makes sense s/which make//
[20:37] <dzho> or something
[20:37] <paultag> dzho: basically, I want to make Ubuntu'ers feel free to contribute Ubuntu checkers to dput's main source tree
[20:37] <paultag> dzho: it needs a rewrite, half of this was on the train back after a night of drinking
[20:37] <dzho> no worries here, just trying to be constructive
[20:38] <paultag> please continue!
[20:38] <dzho> heh
[20:38] <paultag> I'm happy you pointed it out :)
[20:38] <paultag> just explaining why
[20:38] <gilbert> paultag: ur quite the fan of inebriated coding ;{
[20:38] <dzho> a shocking proponent of the Balmer Peak
[20:39] <paultag> gilbert: yah, sadly :)
[20:39] <paultag> well, most of this is sober code
[20:39] <paultag> the docs -- totally smashed.
[20:39] <paultag> I had to be careful, a lot of people are going to use this (hopefully)
[20:41] <paultag> I need to fix some conf-file stuff
[20:41] <paultag> it's a HUGE pref dent
[20:41] <paultag> I'm going to fix it tonight, but right now, it's ULTRA slow for big operations (like dput -H)
[20:41] <paultag> I made a bad implementation decision that I'm going to gut tonight
[20:42] <gilbert> ah
[20:46] <gilbert> my new kitty really likes to sit in front of my screen and bat at the mouse pointer :/
[20:46] <paultag> hahaha, awwww
[20:46] <gilbert> he's pretty crazy
[20:47] <gilbert> makes it kind of hard to be productive tho :(
[20:48] <paultag> productivity is overrated
[20:49] <gilbert> oracle is insane.  vbox and about 20 jdk issues :(
[20:49] <gilbert> security issues
[20:49] <paultag> ugh
[20:49] <paultag> typical
[20:49] <gilbert> productivity is needed to fix rc bugs
[20:50] <paultag> openjdk or sun jdk in stable?
[20:50] <gilbert> and 2 new ones are those oracle sec issues :(
[20:50] <gilbert> openjdk
[20:50] <paultag> bleh
[20:51] <paultag> wait, wait, what?
[20:51] <paultag> oracle maintains openjdk?
[20:51] <canthus13> If they do, they're prolly trying to figure out how to either monetize it or kill it.
[20:52] <paultag> holy shit
[20:52] <paultag> they do, that's awesome
[20:52] <gilbert> well, i guess not, but pretty much all of the oracle jdk issues affect openjdk
[20:52] <paultag> gilbert: it's the java SE 7 ref impl
[20:52] <paultag> http://openjdk.java.net/ ← copyright oracle
[20:53] <paultag> http://openjdk.java.net/faq/ ← more corp. copy
[20:53] <gilbert> ah, ur right
[20:53] <paultag> this is amazing, I'm actually not pissed
[20:53] <paultag> I mean, it sucks that we have to pick up after them
[20:53] <paultag> but still, wow
[20:53] <paultag> I don't feel so bad about ditching the old java nonfree packages
[20:54] <Unit193> Hah, some sites still need oracle java. :P
[20:55] <paultag> openjdk is oracle java
[20:55] <paultag> (my new comeback)
[20:55] <Unit193> Not according to some Finnish banks.
[20:55] <paultag> they should be corrected
[20:56] <gilbert> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkMm8_U6rok
[20:57] <gilbert> (if anyone likes the walking dead)
[20:57] <paultag> totes watching now
[20:58] <gilbert> oh, and this is very nice of oracle: http://threatpost.com/en_us/blogs/oracle-leaves-fix-java-se-zero-day-until-february-patch-update-101712
[20:58] <paultag> haha, this is great
[20:59] <paultag> wait
[20:59] <gilbert> also Jon and I at olf (in background): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6pVA_CkqPw
[20:59] <paultag> if they're tapdancing
[20:59] <paultag> in sneakers
[20:59] <paultag> why does it make tapey noises
[20:59] <paultag> gilbert: \o/ (watching now)
[20:59] <gilbert> they're zombies dude!  they're feet are just bone
[20:59] <paultag> truf
[20:59] <gilbert> *their*
[20:59] <jrgifford> i've started to reconsider the whole jruby thing... it's nice, but oracle is so freakin' lame.
[20:59]  * gilbert sometimes forgets correct grammar
[21:00] <paultag> jrgifford: so, for python anyway
[21:00] <paultag> jrgifford: jython features some big improvements from cpython
[21:00] <paultag> and java also pre-allocates a lot of memeory, which is a good thing for things like search engines
[21:01] <paultag> it's memory management is also better, less overhead then python
[21:01] <paultag> not to mention real threading
[21:01] <paultag> I assume some of this holds for ruby too
[21:01] <paultag> gilbert: hey loo, there's you!
[21:01] <gilbert> yep
[21:01] <jrgifford> paultag: jruby is amazing for the memory management stuff
[21:02] <gilbert> me feeling awkward being on camera
[21:02] <jrgifford> i really wanted to run jruby in production for #railsrumble, but unfortunately we ran out of time to figure out how to deploy it.
[21:02] <paultag> gilbert: hahaha, awww
[21:02] <paultag> jrgifford: mmm.
[21:03] <paultag> self-hosting ftw
[21:07] <gilbert> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llyq-zyE-wU
[21:08] <paultag> haha, oh apple maps
[21:08] <gilbert> oh apple anything :(
[21:15] <paultag> new favorate work - gubernator
[21:15] <paultag> word*
[21:16] <paultag> (from, 1500s or so)
[21:39] <paultag> gilbert: from dhclient here (ubuntu) - PATH=/build/buildd/isc-dhcp-4.1.ESV-R4/debian/tmp/usr/sbin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin
[21:39] <paultag> (but again, we don't know in what context that is used)
[23:24] <gilbert> its used as the search path for scripts that dhclient may call, which run as root
[23:25] <gilbert> so, ubuntu security team says its not an issue since user's don't have a /build dir
[23:26] <gilbert> debian security is not blazeh