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| knome | skaet, release notes updated again | 08:19 |
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| knome | skaet, i can't check, but i'm pretty certain the requirements still apply | 08:19 |
| knome | Unit193, can you check the release notes now, does it look good? | 08:20 |
| astraljava | knome: Known issues; Installation comes from somewhere else? AFAIK, we don't have an ARM .iso. | 08:26 |
| knome | hm? | 08:27 |
| knome | aha | 08:27 |
| knome | probably | 08:27 |
| skaet | knome, ok. Thanks. | 12:09 |
| lestus | hey peeps | 14:47 |
| lestus | what languages for dev d oyou guys prefer? | 14:47 |
| ochosi | lestus: much depends on what you write for | 14:47 |
| lestus | ok, two scenarios, one is to develop independent software package to run on linux environment which would store and hold info in a database, second modifying source code of xubuntu itself | 14:49 |
| lestus | whats the suggestions for those two? | 14:49 |
| lestus | i was thinking java for app dev, and python for os source? | 14:51 |
| lestus | any other ideas? | 14:58 |
| ochosi | yeah, well java if you want to go across platforms | 15:01 |
| ochosi | other than that i'm not sure it's that great for desktop development (it's slow and heavy) | 15:01 |
| ochosi | python could be good for both | 15:01 |
| lestus | i dont know anything about python, is it capable of creating GUI applications or is it shell only? | 15:02 |
| GridCube | theres python gui's | 15:02 |
| lestus | ah ok, and you recon its less heavy than java? i don't really care about being cross platform at this stage | 15:03 |
| lestus | but java i more or less know a bit now, whereas with python i'll be starting from scratch | 15:04 |
| lestus | so what is linux's dominant dev language? is it c or python or something else? | 15:05 |
| ochosi | that depensd | 15:05 |
| ochosi | xfce (xubuntu's DE) is pretty much all C | 15:05 |
| ochosi | the elementary project uses mainly vala | 15:05 |
| GridCube | and vala is mostly c | 15:06 |
| lestus | awesome thanks | 15:06 |
| ochosi | vala compiles to C, but it looks very different | 15:06 |
| lestus | never heard of vala, but used to dabble in c and assembly | 15:07 |
| GridCube | ochosi, correct | 15:07 |
| ochosi | what you'll definitely need is a good knowledge of your toolkit | 15:07 |
| ochosi | nowadays mostly gtk or qt | 15:07 |
| ochosi | ubuntu/gnome/xfce all use gtk | 15:07 |
| ochosi | kde uses qt | 15:07 |
| ochosi | (and razor-qt and prolly other DEs) | 15:07 |
| lestus | eww | 15:07 |
| lestus | no kde | 15:07 |
| lestus | lol | 15:08 |
| lestus | so gtk | 15:08 |
| ochosi | yup | 15:08 |
| GridCube | symbian also uses qt | 15:08 |
| lestus | thanks for pointing the direction, i'll go start researching wtf gtk is LOL | 15:08 |
| lestus | thanks guys | 15:09 |
| lestus | im on the right path | 15:09 |
| lestus | symbian? isn't that a gentoo distro? | 15:10 |
| micahg | symbian is a mobile OS | 15:10 |
| lestus | omfg | 15:10 |
| lestus | sorry was thinking of Sabayon | 15:10 |
| lestus | yea symbina was on some nokias if i recall | 15:11 |
| lestus | symbian* | 15:11 |
| GridCube | most of them | 15:11 |
| GridCube | but now they went all win8 and stuffs | 15:11 |
| lestus | ye | 15:11 |
| lestus | wonder if anyone uses it still | 15:12 |
| lestus | is gtk important to me developing a program? | 15:12 |
| GridCube | yes | 15:12 |
| GridCube | very very very important | 15:13 |
| GridCube | with 3 verys | 15:13 |
| lestus | is it the toolkit you were talking about? | 15:13 |
| lestus | meaning, no devving without it? | 15:13 |
| lestus | is it just a collection of libraries or apis or something? | 15:14 |
| ochosi | gtk provides the widgets and all graphical stuff you need | 15:14 |
| lestus | ah | 15:14 |
| lestus | righto | 15:14 |
| lestus | so to code buttons and fields and whatnot, ill be using gtk | 15:15 |
| GridCube | if thats the one you choose, yes | 15:15 |
| lestus | i like xubuntu, so gtk it is | 15:16 |
| lestus | thanks for the info :) | 15:16 |
| ochosi | yw | 15:18 |
| uzver | Is there python bindings for xfce4? I read about pyxfce. But i can't find for 4.8, 4.10 :( | 15:56 |
| ochosi | it's not maintained anymore afaik | 15:56 |
| uzver | sad, but Thx.:) | 16:02 |
| uzver | What about Vala support in 4.10? | 16:05 |
| bluesabre_ | crap, missed lestus | 16:06 |
| bluesabre_ | gtk dev is super easy with python, especially with quickly | 16:07 |
| bluesabre_ | Maybe I should revive pyxfce | 16:07 |
| uzver | i just want some xfce integration(panel, desktop, thunar etc.) | 16:08 |
| bluesabre_ | uzver, what (how) are you wanting to integrate with xfce? | 16:09 |
| bluesabre_ | (I might be able to point you in the right direction) :) | 16:11 |
| uzver | bluesabre_: mostly for learning, i just like python and XFCE | 16:17 |
| uzver | for example now playing and google calendar applet. and I know about generic monitor) | 16:22 |
| ochosi | a nice gcal app would be good | 16:24 |
| ochosi | i'd be personally interested in that :) | 16:24 |
| uzver | xubuntu 12.10 working so fast and stable:) | 16:30 |
| GridCube | im in ubuntu-es right now and its the 4th day someone came saying they couldnt get grub stages and then we realized that it was because they where using EFI machines | 17:08 |
| torax | EFI....grrrr | 17:09 |
| GridCube | so, when the days come, im expecting more of this cases to arise | 17:09 |
| GridCube | where is xubuntu standing on this? | 17:10 |
| GridCube | i havent seen many cases on #xubuntu so far | 17:10 |
| torax | I could be first :D | 17:12 |
| GridCube | torax, do you have an efi machine? | 17:13 |
| torax | GridCube: yes sir | 17:14 |
| GridCube | so what problems did you had? | 17:14 |
| GridCube | and how did you fix them?, its there a good tutorial i could point people to? i know nof: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFIBooting | 17:15 |
| torax | well, if i remember correctly I could not boot to system ( i was dual booting) , I did find tutorials but none of them worked for me. But im gonna look at this again when i get back home | 17:16 |
| torax | I could try to write some kind of tutorial if/when i get it working. I could save windows for testing this | 17:19 |
| GridCube | torax, if you could do that it would be great :) | 17:22 |
| elfy | evening - what's happened to the testing isos then | 17:23 |
| torax | GridCube: I dont think I have tried the tutorial from your link, but if I get it working ill tell you so we know its working :) | 17:30 |
| Unit193 | knome: I couldn't think of anything else. | 18:14 |
| knome | Unit193, cheers | 18:20 |
| knome | bbl. | 18:20 |
| Unit193 | Only other thing isn't really release note stuff, sooo. | 18:21 |
| Pjotr | micahg: is there any progress on this bug in Xubuntu 12.10: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar/+bug/1039375 | 22:14 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1039375 in thunar (Ubuntu) "Duplicate partitions shown" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 22:14 |
| Pjotr | Damages the desktop experience of a very nice looking Xubuntu 12.10 | 22:15 |
| Pjotr | The bug report is maybe not quite complete: partitions show double on the desktop as well ("removable devices"). | 22:18 |
| Pjotr | As the final iso has probably already been built, maybe a quick post release update could fix this? Hopefully.... :P | 22:27 |
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