=== yofel_ is now known as yofel [08:19] skaet, release notes updated again [08:19] skaet, i can't check, but i'm pretty certain the requirements still apply [08:20] Unit193, can you check the release notes now, does it look good? [08:26] knome: Known issues; Installation comes from somewhere else? AFAIK, we don't have an ARM .iso. [08:27] hm? [08:27] aha [08:27] probably [12:09] knome, ok. Thanks. [14:47] hey peeps [14:47] what languages for dev d oyou guys prefer? [14:47] lestus: much depends on what you write for [14:49] ok, two scenarios, one is to develop independent software package to run on linux environment which would store and hold info in a database, second modifying source code of xubuntu itself [14:49] whats the suggestions for those two? [14:51] i was thinking java for app dev, and python for os source? [14:58] any other ideas? [15:01] yeah, well java if you want to go across platforms [15:01] other than that i'm not sure it's that great for desktop development (it's slow and heavy) [15:01] python could be good for both [15:02] i dont know anything about python, is it capable of creating GUI applications or is it shell only? [15:02] theres python gui's [15:03] ah ok, and you recon its less heavy than java? i don't really care about being cross platform at this stage [15:04] but java i more or less know a bit now, whereas with python i'll be starting from scratch [15:05] so what is linux's dominant dev language? is it c or python or something else? [15:05] that depensd [15:05] xfce (xubuntu's DE) is pretty much all C [15:05] the elementary project uses mainly vala [15:06] and vala is mostly c [15:06] awesome thanks [15:06] vala compiles to C, but it looks very different [15:07] never heard of vala, but used to dabble in c and assembly [15:07] ochosi, correct [15:07] what you'll definitely need is a good knowledge of your toolkit [15:07] nowadays mostly gtk or qt [15:07] ubuntu/gnome/xfce all use gtk [15:07] kde uses qt [15:07] (and razor-qt and prolly other DEs) [15:07] eww [15:07] no kde [15:08] lol [15:08] so gtk [15:08] yup [15:08] symbian also uses qt [15:08] thanks for pointing the direction, i'll go start researching wtf gtk is LOL [15:09] thanks guys [15:09] im on the right path [15:10] symbian? isn't that a gentoo distro? [15:10] symbian is a mobile OS [15:10] omfg [15:10] sorry was thinking of Sabayon [15:11] yea symbina was on some nokias if i recall [15:11] symbian* [15:11] most of them [15:11] but now they went all win8 and stuffs [15:11] ye [15:12] wonder if anyone uses it still [15:12] is gtk important to me developing a program? [15:12] yes [15:13] very very very important [15:13] with 3 verys [15:13] is it the toolkit you were talking about? [15:13] meaning, no devving without it? [15:14] is it just a collection of libraries or apis or something? [15:14] gtk provides the widgets and all graphical stuff you need [15:14] ah [15:14] righto [15:15] so to code buttons and fields and whatnot, ill be using gtk [15:15] if thats the one you choose, yes [15:16] i like xubuntu, so gtk it is [15:16] thanks for the info :) [15:18] yw [15:56] Is there python bindings for xfce4? I read about pyxfce. But i can't find for 4.8, 4.10 :( [15:56] it's not maintained anymore afaik [16:02] sad, but Thx.:) [16:05] What about Vala support in 4.10? [16:06] crap, missed lestus [16:07] gtk dev is super easy with python, especially with quickly [16:07] Maybe I should revive pyxfce [16:08] i just want some xfce integration(panel, desktop, thunar etc.) [16:09] uzver, what (how) are you wanting to integrate with xfce? [16:11] (I might be able to point you in the right direction) :) [16:17] bluesabre_: mostly for learning, i just like python and XFCE [16:22] for example now playing and google calendar applet. and I know about generic monitor) [16:24] a nice gcal app would be good [16:24] i'd be personally interested in that :) [16:30] xubuntu 12.10 working so fast and stable:) [17:08] im in ubuntu-es right now and its the 4th day someone came saying they couldnt get grub stages and then we realized that it was because they where using EFI machines [17:09] EFI....grrrr [17:09] so, when the days come, im expecting more of this cases to arise [17:10] where is xubuntu standing on this? [17:10] i havent seen many cases on #xubuntu so far [17:12] I could be first :D [17:13] torax, do you have an efi machine? [17:14] GridCube: yes sir [17:14] so what problems did you had? [17:15] and how did you fix them?, its there a good tutorial i could point people to? i know nof: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFIBooting [17:16] well, if i remember correctly I could not boot to system ( i was dual booting) , I did find tutorials but none of them worked for me. But im gonna look at this again when i get back home [17:19] I could try to write some kind of tutorial if/when i get it working. I could save windows for testing this [17:22] torax, if you could do that it would be great :) [17:23] evening - what's happened to the testing isos then [17:30] GridCube: I dont think I have tried the tutorial from your link, but if I get it working ill tell you so we know its working :) [18:14] knome: I couldn't think of anything else. [18:20] Unit193, cheers [18:20] bbl. [18:21] Only other thing isn't really release note stuff, sooo. [22:14] micahg: is there any progress on this bug in Xubuntu 12.10: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar/+bug/1039375 [22:14] Launchpad bug 1039375 in thunar (Ubuntu) "Duplicate partitions shown" [Undecided,Confirmed] [22:15] Damages the desktop experience of a very nice looking Xubuntu 12.10 [22:18] The bug report is maybe not quite complete: partitions show double on the desktop as well ("removable devices"). [22:27] As the final iso has probably already been built, maybe a quick post release update could fix this? Hopefully.... :P