[08:19] <knome> skaet, release notes updated again
[08:19] <knome> skaet, i can't check, but i'm pretty certain the requirements still apply
[08:20] <knome> Unit193, can you check the release notes now, does it look good?
[08:26] <astraljava> knome: Known issues; Installation comes from somewhere else? AFAIK, we don't have an ARM .iso.
[08:27] <knome> hm?
[08:27] <knome> aha
[08:27] <knome> probably
[12:09] <skaet> knome,  ok.   Thanks.
[14:47] <lestus> hey peeps
[14:47] <lestus> what languages for dev d oyou guys prefer?
[14:47] <ochosi> lestus: much depends on what you write for
[14:49] <lestus> ok, two scenarios, one is to develop independent software package to run on linux environment which would store and hold info in a database, second modifying source code of xubuntu itself
[14:49] <lestus> whats the suggestions for those two?
[14:51] <lestus> i was thinking java for app dev, and python for os source?
[14:58] <lestus> any other ideas?
[15:01] <ochosi> yeah, well java if you want to go across platforms
[15:01] <ochosi> other than that i'm not sure it's that great for desktop development (it's slow and heavy)
[15:01] <ochosi> python could be good for both
[15:02] <lestus> i dont know anything about python, is it capable of creating GUI applications or is it shell only?
[15:02] <GridCube> theres python gui's
[15:03] <lestus> ah ok, and you recon its less heavy than java? i don't really care about being cross platform at this stage
[15:04] <lestus> but java i more or less know a bit now, whereas with python i'll be starting from scratch
[15:05] <lestus> so what is linux's dominant dev language? is it c or python or something else?
[15:05] <ochosi> that depensd
[15:05] <ochosi> xfce (xubuntu's DE) is pretty much all C
[15:05] <ochosi> the elementary project uses mainly vala
[15:06] <GridCube> and vala is mostly c
[15:06] <lestus> awesome thanks
[15:06] <ochosi> vala compiles to C, but it looks very different
[15:07] <lestus> never heard of vala, but used to dabble in c and assembly
[15:07] <GridCube> ochosi, correct
[15:07] <ochosi> what you'll definitely need is a good knowledge of your toolkit
[15:07] <ochosi> nowadays mostly gtk or qt
[15:07] <ochosi> ubuntu/gnome/xfce all use gtk
[15:07] <ochosi> kde uses qt
[15:07] <ochosi> (and razor-qt and prolly other DEs)
[15:07] <lestus> eww
[15:07] <lestus> no kde
[15:08] <lestus> lol
[15:08] <lestus> so gtk
[15:08] <ochosi> yup
[15:08] <GridCube> symbian also uses qt
[15:08] <lestus> thanks for pointing the direction, i'll go start researching wtf gtk is LOL
[15:09] <lestus> thanks guys
[15:09] <lestus> im on the right path
[15:10] <lestus> symbian? isn't that a gentoo distro?
[15:10] <micahg> symbian is a mobile OS
[15:10] <lestus> omfg
[15:10] <lestus> sorry was thinking of Sabayon
[15:11] <lestus> yea symbina was on some nokias if i recall
[15:11] <lestus> symbian*
[15:11] <GridCube> most of them
[15:11] <GridCube> but now they went all win8 and stuffs
[15:11] <lestus> ye
[15:12] <lestus> wonder if anyone uses it still
[15:12] <lestus> is gtk important to me developing a program?
[15:12] <GridCube> yes
[15:13] <GridCube> very very very important
[15:13] <GridCube> with 3 verys
[15:13] <lestus> is it the toolkit you were talking about?
[15:13] <lestus> meaning, no devving without it?
[15:14] <lestus> is it just a collection of libraries or apis or something?
[15:14] <ochosi> gtk provides the widgets and all graphical stuff you need
[15:14] <lestus> ah
[15:14] <lestus> righto
[15:15] <lestus> so to code buttons and fields and whatnot, ill be using gtk
[15:15] <GridCube> if thats the one you choose, yes
[15:16] <lestus> i like xubuntu, so gtk it is
[15:16] <lestus> thanks for the info :)
[15:18] <ochosi> yw
[15:56] <uzver> Is there python bindings for xfce4? I read about pyxfce. But i can't find for 4.8, 4.10 :(
[15:56] <ochosi> it's not maintained anymore afaik
[16:02] <uzver> sad, but Thx.:)
[16:05] <uzver> What about Vala support in 4.10?
[16:06] <bluesabre_> crap, missed lestus
[16:07] <bluesabre_> gtk dev is super easy with python, especially with quickly
[16:07] <bluesabre_> Maybe I should revive pyxfce
[16:08] <uzver> i just want some xfce integration(panel, desktop, thunar etc.)
[16:09] <bluesabre_> uzver, what (how) are you wanting to integrate with xfce?
[16:11] <bluesabre_> (I might be able to point you in the right direction) :)
[16:17] <uzver> bluesabre_: mostly for learning, i just like python and XFCE
[16:22] <uzver> for example now playing and google calendar applet. and I know about generic monitor) 
[16:24] <ochosi> a nice gcal app would be good
[16:24] <ochosi> i'd be personally interested in that :)
[16:30] <uzver> xubuntu 12.10 working so fast and stable:)
[17:08] <GridCube> im in ubuntu-es right now and its the 4th day someone came saying they couldnt get grub stages and then we realized that it was because they where using EFI machines
[17:09] <torax> EFI....grrrr
[17:09] <GridCube> so, when the days come, im expecting more of this cases to arise
[17:10] <GridCube> where is xubuntu standing on this?
[17:10] <GridCube> i havent seen many cases on #xubuntu so far
[17:12] <torax> I could be first  :D
[17:13] <GridCube> torax, do you have an efi machine?
[17:14] <torax> GridCube: yes sir
[17:14] <GridCube> so what problems did you had?
[17:15] <GridCube> and how did you fix them?, its there a good tutorial i could point people to? i know nof: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFIBooting
[17:16] <torax> well, if i remember correctly I could not boot to system ( i was dual booting) , I did find tutorials but none of them worked for me. But im gonna look at this again when i get back home
[17:19] <torax> I could try to write some kind of tutorial if/when i get it working. I could save windows for testing this
[17:22] <GridCube> torax, if you could do that it would be great :)
[17:23] <elfy> evening - what's happened to the testing isos then 
[17:30] <torax> GridCube: I dont think I have tried the tutorial from your link, but if I get it working ill tell you so we know its working :)
[18:14] <Unit193> knome: I couldn't think of anything else.
[18:20] <knome> Unit193, cheers
[18:20] <knome> bbl.
[18:21] <Unit193> Only other thing isn't really release note stuff, sooo.
[22:14] <Pjotr> micahg: is there any progress on this bug in Xubuntu 12.10: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar/+bug/1039375
[22:15] <Pjotr> Damages the desktop experience of a very nice looking Xubuntu 12.10
[22:18] <Pjotr> The bug report is maybe not quite complete: partitions show double on the desktop as well ("removable devices").
[22:27] <Pjotr> As the final iso has probably already been built, maybe a quick post release update could fix this? Hopefully.... :P