[00:30] <puff> recon_lap: Back... got a bit of time to kill, thought I'd spend it getting my machine backed up.
[00:36] <recon_lap> hi puff, was chilling.
[00:42] <puff> Cool.
[02:18] <Random833> okay now my default browser setting won't stick at all
[02:18] <Random833> every reboot, and after i pick it and start chromium it complains it's not the default browser
[02:23] <Dinomuffin> Random833: Settings > Preferred Applications?
[02:23] <holstein> Random833: or try sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser
[02:25] <Random833> Dinomuffin: i do that, then it's gone again
[02:25] <Random833> holstein: my _xfce_ browser preferences. I don't want to have to do a system-wide thing, and anyway x-www-browser is set to the right thing
[02:25] <Dinomuffin> try holstein's idea
[02:25] <Random833> but when i click the browser icon it complains i haven't set _the xfce setting_
[02:25] <holstein> Random833: i used the commandline setting
[02:26] <Random833> holstein: doing that _won't make it stop using the xfce setting_
[02:26] <Random833> i _did_ set the update-alternatives
[02:26] <Random833> and it works - _when i run x-www-browser from the command line_
[02:26] <Random833> which is not what i want
[02:26] <holstein> Random833: you can try it, because it works for me... did it not work for you?
[02:26] <Random833> ...it WORKS, but WHAT IT DOES it not WHAT I WANT
[02:27] <Random833> since that DOESN'T set the user preference that stuff is looking for
[02:27] <Random833> and I shouldn't have to mess with a systemwide setting anyway
[02:27] <holstein> Random833: cool.. you can just elaborate as to what you want and will see what myself and the other voluteers here can come up with..
[02:27] <Random833> I want to set the xfce preferred application
[02:27] <Random833> and have it stay set
[02:27] <Random833> it goes away when i log off
[02:27] <Random833> and asks me again next time i log in
[02:28] <Random833> and thunderbird doesn't respect x-www-browser, but it respected the desktop environment setting when i was on lxde
[02:28] <holstein> for me, setting it in the commandline worked.. you are saying that its not presistent when you set it from the command line? or you are not getting it?
[02:28] <Random833> ...what.
[02:28] <holstein> Random833: i read a workaround for thunderbird
[02:28] <Random833> I just said, the thing you set in the command line IS NOT THE SAME TIHNG i am trying to set
[02:28] <Random833> it's two different preferences
[02:28] <Random833> ...the command line setting DOES NOT AFFECT what the panel icon does
[02:28] <Random833> they're unrelated
[02:29] <holstein> Random833: for me.. the setting in the terminal was the one that became persistent
[02:29] <Random833> the setting in the terminal IS persistent
[02:29] <Random833> but it DOESN'T APPLY to the situation of clicking the panel icon
[02:29] <holstein> cool.. so the issue is just with thunderbird then? i have a work around...
[02:29] <Random833> it only applies to launching the browser from the terminal
[02:29] <Random833> ...noi
[02:29] <Random833> I JUST SAID
[02:29] <Random833> when i log in
[02:29] <Random833> and click the globe icon on the panel
[02:29] <Random833> it asks me to set my browser. AGAIN. AND AGAIN.
[02:30] <Dinomuffin> why not replace the globe shortcut with a chrome shortcut?
[02:30] <Dinomuffin> this is in your quicklauncher right?
[02:30] <Random833> ......because the globe shortcut is a SYMPTOM
[02:30] <holstein> Random833: for me, it did not only apply to launching it from the terminall it set chrome system wide
[02:31] <Random833> of the fact that the XFCE USER PREFERENCE is not persisting
[02:31] <holstein> change the shortcut then...
[02:31] <Random833> the xfce user preference that also applies to opening links from the terminal
[02:31] <Random833> and I _suspect_ to thunderbird, if it worked, since it worked in lxde
[02:33] <holstein> http://hsmak.wordpress.com/2009/09/03/howto-force-thunderbird-to-open-links-in-firefox/ is what i found and linked for someone recently
[02:33] <Random833> ...dammit, you're not listening. the problem is the xfce user preference
[02:33] <Random833> I don't _CARE_ about the /etc/alternatives setting
[02:34] <Random833> I shouldn't have to - what if two people on my computer prefer different browsers?
[02:34] <Random833> there's a REASON there's a desktop environment preference for it
[02:34] <holstein> Random833: im found that to be true as well.. i couldnt get chrome set as default.. but using the commandline worked for me
[02:34] <holstein> Random833: did you find an existing bug about it?.. i'll go look
[02:35] <Random833> before i report a bug i'll try cleaning my homedir
[02:35] <Random833> i did install xubuntu on top of lubuntu
[02:35] <Random833> it shouldn't make a difference, but just in case
[02:36] <holstein> https://bugs.launchpad.net/xubuntu-default-settings/+bug/893321 is for 11.10
[02:42] <Dinomuffin> arg
[02:42] <Random833> okay... apparently the way chromium sets itself as the default web browser isn't recognized by xfce
[02:42] <Random833> i'll see what happens if i ignore chromium's complaints that it's not the default browser
[02:45] <holstein> i might have said "dont ask again"...
[02:46] <Random833> ok this fixes the issue for the panel
[02:46] <Random833> but thunderbird still doesn't work - which wouldn't bother me except _it worked in LXDE_
[02:47] <Random833> maybe I'll do a fresh install for 12.10
[02:47] <holstein> i read it was a Tbird issue, and found some paes about how to change the default browser.. not sure why it worked for LXDE
[02:47] <holstein> some pages*
[02:47] <Random833> well, it helps that LXDE doesn't install firefox by default
[02:47] <Random833> but that can't be the whole story or it would have just not found a browser
[02:48] <Random833> er, that lubuntu doesn't
[02:48] <holstein> so it was lubuntu? not just ubuntu with lxde added?
[02:48] <Random833> this install started as lubuntu
[02:48] <Random833> then i gutted it and installed xubuntu-desktop on top of it
[02:48] <holstein> not that theres a whole lot of difference, but its helpful to be clear
[02:49] <holstein> if you only had the one browser, and it was chromiume.. thats pluasible
[02:49] <Random833> Honestly my first choice was lubuntu, but 12.04 has some issues with saving other sttings [like my terminal font]
[02:49] <Random833> so I switched
[02:50] <holstein> i think you should go with that.. thunderbird probably has the issue i found when searching the other day, and needs to be "fixed" manually to use chromium.. the gui browser selector may/may not be broken in xubuntu
[02:51] <Random833> there's some bad interaction between the browser selector and chromium
[02:52] <Random833> it doesn't detect chromium as a browser (so i have to type it in, and it saves as a custom-webBrowser.desktop)
[02:52] <Random833> and chromium tries to set itself as the default web browser using its proper .desktop
[02:52] <holstein> xubuntu doesnt ship with chromium though, so its hard to say... its always been "detected" for me
[02:52] <Random833> well, if you set x-www-browser to chromium, then it might be working simply by running sensible-browser
[05:03] <ner0x> Is it possible to change where Thunar/Desktop says the folders are?
[05:03] <ner0x> IE Setting the actual absolute path to the "Desktop" folder?
[05:42] <Random833> holstein: Dinomuffin: I found part of the issue - chromium-browser creates a corrupt .desktop file in ~/.local/share/xfce4/helpers
[05:42] <Random833> since the chromium .desktop file has multiple sections, and it just appends the helper data to the last one
[06:05] <Random833> okay, on further investigation, the blame goes to xdg-utils. I'll add a bug tomorrow once I figure out how to properly fix it
[06:56] <daughain_> What makes xfce different/
[06:56] <bazhang> from what
[06:57] <daughain_> Unity, enlightenment, gnome2/3, etc.
[06:57] <bazhang> different apps, look and feel, etc
[06:58] <bazhang> why not run a live cd and see for yourself
[06:59] <bazhang> http://xubuntu.org/screenshots/
[07:01] <daughain_> been there, came here. still there actually, trying to find out how it differs from someone who uses it because right now i'm just tired.
[07:05] <daughain_> whats the install package for xfce?
[07:05] <bazhang> xubuntu-desktop
[07:06] <daughain_> danke'
[07:07] <bazhang> you want a list of the default apps? its a bit lighter than gnome, but standard install not that much
[07:07] <bazhang> if you have very little ram/slow cpu then lubuntu (lxde + openbox is really the answer
[07:08] <daughain_> can i install temp monitors for cpu and hdd/
[07:08] <bazhang> +)
[07:08] <Mathias> if your system supports it, yes
[07:09] <bazhang> !sensors
[07:09] <daughain_> Thank you both for being more reasonable than the last channel i visited.
[07:09] <bazhang> ?
[07:09] <daughain_> ok, uses standard lm-sensors. cool.
[07:10] <Mathias> you didn't accidentally join #defocus? :P
[07:10] <daughain_> nope.
[07:10] <daughain_> lol
[07:12] <daughain_> as best i can tell, i have a 8-9 yr old dell w/512m ram, and a 1.5ghz centrino processor.
[07:12] <bazhang> that'll be slow
[07:13] <daughain_> ya think?  =)
[07:13] <bazhang> daughain_, yes.
[07:13] <daughain_> it an antique.
[07:14] <Mathias> intel pentium m?
[07:14] <Mathias> should run xubuntu smooth-ish
[07:14] <Mathias> some things takes ages on those :P
[07:14] <bazhang> the ram is the issue
[07:14] <Mathias> yup
[07:14] <daughain_> centrino, i think thats what they called the first gen pent M
[07:14] <Mathias> daughain_: they called all of them that :\
[07:15] <daughain_> i have trouble remembering last month, 8 years ago is a stretch. =)
[07:16] <daughain_> ok, let me reboot, and see what xfce is like. I think the UI installed.
[07:22] <daughain_> Looks a lot like gnome.
[07:24] <daughain_> Is there a difference between adding xfce from ubuntu and using xubuntu?
[07:25] <bazhang> extra apps
[07:25] <bazhang> mroe choices at the login window
[07:25] <koegs> daughain_: if you install xfce, you will get plain xfce, if you install xubuntu-desktop, you will get almost the same as using the xubuntu-cd
[07:26] <daughain_> I used xubuntu-desktop.
[07:27] <daughain_> so, what is it that makes xfce/xubuntu different from gnome? My initial impression is they are exceedingly similar.
[07:28] <bazhang> thats opinion
[07:28] <bazhang> not a support question
[07:30] <Mathias> daughain_: less eyecandy ;P
[07:30] <daughain_> I asked what made the two different, and then added my initial impressions. Is it simply that xubuntu uses 'lighter' apps and a 'lighter' UI? And, where should i ask these questions?
[07:30] <bazhang> not much lighter, no
[07:31] <bazhang> in terms of actual ram usage, if that is the measure
[07:33] <daughain_> So, what channel should I use for non-support questions?
[07:33] <bazhang> !ot
[07:33] <daughain_> Danke.
[07:34] <bazhang> np
[10:17] <Fiona> Bonjour
[10:18] <Fiona> !help
[10:19] <Fiona> Bonjour
[11:19] <jacta> if I download latest 12.10 now and install, will I then be able to update to the full release in a few days when it comes out?
[11:20] <apm1> yup
[11:21] <apm1> just run " sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" every day
[11:21] <jacta> I have so many errors in 12.04 - first thing is that I cant mount usb drives, or atleast only one pr reboot :\
[11:21] <jacta> so its kinda annoying ;)
[11:21] <apm1> jacta, what kinda hardware is this ?
[11:21] <jacta> just a dell laptop, think I did to many strange thigns :\
[11:22] <apm1> strange like ?
[11:22] <jacta> so last night I used usb drive 5 times, had to reboot machine after each re-insert
[11:22] <jacta> cant even remember, no things auto mount more
[11:22] <jacta> <- fool
[11:22] <jacta> :D
[11:22] <apm1> run "sudo apt-get install gparted"
[11:23] <jacta> I have gparted - it only let me mount drive once - rest of time its grayed out
[11:24] <apm1> jacta, hmm, have you screwed with this system in any way , i.e installed another OS , changed a config file ?
[11:25] <jacta> I'm not really sure - prolly I had, also can't see files in dvd drive :o
[11:25] <apm1> jacta, if you are not sure what you messed with then my advice is do a clean install (reinstall) of 12.04
[11:26] <jacta> why not 12.10 then?
[11:26] <apm1> because 12.04 has a more stable base than 12.10
[11:26] <jacta> But is it possible to upgrade to 12.10 just like that when it comes in a few days?
[11:27] <jacta> 12.10 should be pretty stable as the new will get out in a few days, or?
[11:27] <apm1> no not if you are currently running 12.04
[11:27] <apm1> why do you think they call 12.04 a LTS because it's freaking semi rock solid
[11:29] <jacta> So you would advice me to reinstall it all with 12.04 again instead of waiting on 12.10 gets more stable?
[11:30] <apm1> yup
[11:30] <jacta> Anyways, can't live with reboots every time I need to usb usb drive :]
[11:32] <apm1> honestly if you were a little more experienced in linux i would have adviced you to move to debian as i did :)
[11:35] <jacta> with xfce?
[11:36] <torax> debian still has gnome2
[11:37] <torax> so if you dont like gnome3/unity and you know your way around linux a bit use debian
[11:38] <jacta> Just need to clarify my preferred interface, right now its xfce
[11:39] <jacta> what I really miss is when using alt+tab - then I miss it to be able to click in the dumps of screen to go to - do you understand? :)
[12:32] <greasegum> hey friends, does anyone know if it's possible to upgrade just ONE package and its dependencies (including shared) to Wheezy if I'm running stable?
[12:35] <koegs> !ot
[12:38] <Pici> greasegum: you want #debian
[12:41] <greasegum> Pici:: thanks, you're totally correct
[14:46] <kristjan_> To which package do graphics that show display brightness (Fn+brightness_up/down) belong?
[14:48] <recon_lap> kristjan_:  would think it's whatever you're using as graphics driver and your actual graphics card
[14:48] <kristjan_> recon_lap, the OSD
[14:48] <recon_lap> kristjan_: any particular reason you asking?
[14:49] <kristjan_> recon_lap, want to bug report
[14:49] <recon_lap> kristjan_: is the bug that you cannot set your brightness ?
[14:50] <kristjan_> recon_lap, no, it's about lag
[14:52] <recon_lap> kristjan_: well, this not related to lag but sure to have some related info https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Debugging/Backlight
[14:53] <recon_lap> kristjan_: especially regarding display brightness
[14:56] <kristjan_> recon_lap, my problem is different: http://i.imgur.com/5HS77.jpg < -- this lags sometimes many seconds behind
[14:57] <kristjan_> recon_lap, to which package does this osd graphic belong?
[14:59] <GridCube> !info xfce4-notifyd
[14:59] <GridCube> kristjan_, ^
[15:05] <kristjan_> GridCube, yes, thanks
[18:03] <milen8204> hello, any one could help whit that error massage http://pastie.org/5074437 , that I get after update installing?
[18:04] <baizon> milen8204: sudo apt-get install -f
[18:05] <baizon> try that
[18:05] <milen8204> ok
[18:06] <milen8204> : Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[18:07] <GridCube> milen8204, do sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get autoclean && sudo apt-get autoremove
[18:08] <milen8204> GridCube, ok thanks
[18:08] <milen8204> baizon, thanks for you too
[18:08] <baizon> np
[18:08] <baizon> if you need more help feel free to ask
[18:09] <milen8204> baizon, ok thanks a lot
[18:10] <milen8204> but the problem is still here :
[18:11] <GridCube> do you get any warning while doing the apt-get update?
[18:11] <milen8204> http://pastie.org/5074462
[18:11] <milen8204> that is the report
[18:12] <GridCube> milen8204, run gldaemon by hand
[18:12] <milen8204> i a terminal ?
[18:12] <milen8204> in a terminal?
[18:12] <GridCube> the error report says its not configured yet and thats why its failing to continue
[18:12] <GridCube>   Package g15daemon is not configured yet
[18:13] <GridCube> milen8204, yes
[18:13] <milen8204> said that the package is not found
[18:14] <recon_lap> does that mean 12.10 is out?
[18:14] <GridCube> !info g15daemon
[18:15] <nyRednek> i forget, is there a shell command to display your processor speed/memory?
[18:16] <GridCube> i use top
[18:16] <GridCube> but i guess there might be a better one
[18:16] <nyRednek> GridCube: does top actually display processor speed? or just usage?
[18:17] <GridCube> usage
[18:21] <baizon> i recommend byobu
[18:21] <milen8204> it may done
[18:22] <GridCube> nyRednek, you could use the outputs of lshw
[18:22] <GridCube> lshw -class cpu
[18:42] <agrester> Hello all, got a quick question: how do I change the boot screen in Xubuntu to text?
[18:42] <agrester> I just want to see the text startup process
[18:43] <baizon> agrester: edit /etc/default/grub
[18:43] <agrester> ok
[18:43] <baizon> change this line: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=""
[18:43] <baizon> from GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash"
[18:43] <baizon> then run update-grub
[18:45] <agresterer> back
[18:45] <agresterer> Okay, so the login screen will still show up?
[18:46] <baizon> yes it will :)
[18:46] <baizon> agresterer: http://askubuntu.com/questions/120898/removing-the-splash-screen-on-shutdown-an-startup-i-want-to-be-able-to-see-the
[18:47] <agresterer> Thanks
[18:47] <agresterer> Will bookmark that
[18:47] <baizon> np
[18:49] <kcxzero> I don't think the gui login screen will still show up, if that's what you're asking. It will ask you via command line for usrnme and pw.
[18:49] <baizon> kcxzero: yes if you add: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="text"
[18:50] <agresterer> How do I change the boot splash theme?
[18:50] <baizon> if its empty ("") then it will boot into lightdm
[18:50] <kcxzero> oh ok, cool. Never done that I guess. I must have just removed the content in the quotes entirely in the past.
[18:50] <baizon> agresterer: http://www.noobslab.com/2011/11/install-plymouth-manager-and-change.html
[18:50] <agresterer> baizon: got it so 'quiet' turns of the ESC thingy, 'text' forces text only mode, 'splash' enables splash screen
[18:51] <agresterer> If I hit ESC with just 'splash' it will show the boot processes...
[18:51] <baizon> agresterer: yes
[18:53] <agresterer> I love that Mice theme, the Mac OS 9 style one...
[18:53] <agresterer> could I use that?
[18:53] <baizon> agresterer: from?
[18:53] <agresterer> the sessions and startup admin panel
[18:53] <baizon> yes you can use it :)
[18:55] <agresterer> where is it located?
[18:56] <baizon> agresterer: you have to install the programm from ppa or source
[18:56] <agresterer> it doesn't have one for precise
[19:00] <baizon> agresterer: then use this one: http://sourceforge.net/projects/plymouthmanager/
[19:00] <agresterer> thanks
[19:00] <baizon> np
[19:05] <agresterer> rebooting
[19:19] <wroat> When I download with wubi, it says it's unable to download the metalink. How do I fix it?
[19:27] <puff> Afternoon.
[19:28] <genii-around> I thought xubuntu was dropping wubi
[19:28] <puff> I'm running xubuntu 11.4;  actually I'm running ubuntu 11.4 with the xfce package installed;  I was told (here) that was equivalent to reinstalling from scratch with xubuntu, but I guess not because there's no xfce-panel installed.
[19:28] <puff> So, I use the multiple virtual desktops thing... every now and then when I'm mouse-dragging a window from one virtual desktop to another, I drag too high or something, and the menu bar re-draws itself.  Last night, I'm not sure what I did, but it didn't redraw itself; I mean it disappeared, or at least is empty.  There's a black bar across the top of the screen where the menu bar should be. Any ideas how to get the menu bar to rea
[19:29] <wroat> Really genii-around? Is Lubuntu dropping it too?
[19:31] <recon_lap> puff: I take it you rebooted, is the panel still missing?
[19:31] <genii-around> wroat: No idea. But it looks like your issue is most likely the same as this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/189875/xubuntu-download-error-with-wubi
[19:31] <kcxzero> puff, to run xfce alt-f2 type xfce4-panel. However, that's just to start the panel. Not sure about the black thing.
[19:32] <genii-around> wroat: They suggest there to download the iso and run wubi from that instead of having it try to go grab averything
[19:32] <puff> recon_lap: No, haven't rebooted yet :-).
[19:32] <wroat> Thanks for the link.
[19:33] <puff> Oddly enough, when I try to run it via alt-f2, it finds xfce-panel.
[19:34] <puff> it defaulted to xfce-panel --restart, so I hit enter and now it asks me: "No running instance of xfce-panel was found.\ n\  Do you want to start the panel?  If you do, make sure you save the session on logout, so the panel is automatically started the next time you login."
[19:35] <recon_lap> puff: to many picky details I dont know to help, biggest is that it's a ubuntu install with xfce desktop
[19:36] <puff> recon_lap: Yeah.
[19:36] <puff> Guess I'll go ahead and click "execute", worst that can happen is I need to reboot....
[19:36] <puff> Ah... and that seems to have fixed it.
[19:37] <puff> Just to check... in xfce the menu bar at the top of the screen is called the applet panel?
[19:37] <puff> Also, is there any way for me to prevent that whole drag/redraw thing from happening, other than simply not dragging windows between desktops?
[19:38] <kcxzero> puff,  settings manager.
[19:38] <recon_lap> puff: you should be able to lock the panel
[19:38] <puff> Hm, it appears to be already locked.
[19:39] <puff> Maybe it's different because I restarted it.  I'll make a note about checking the prefs again, next time I see that behavior.
[19:39] <recon_lap> puff: I dont think you restart anything, think you got a whole new panel
[19:40] <puff> Yeah, I guess so.
[19:42] <recon_lap> puff: or maybe the first one crashed and this was a restart
[19:43] <kcxzero> to disable dragging windows to new workspace go to settings manager > window manager>advanced tab then uncheck wrap workspace when dragging a window off the screen.
[19:43] <puff> kcxzero: I don't want to disable dragging windows to new workspaces, I want to disable that weird redraw-the-applet-panel thing.
[19:43] <kcxzero> oh auto hide?
[19:44] <kcxzero> right click panel > panel preference then uncheck auto show and hide panel
[19:44] <recon_lap> more like awol
[19:44] <puff> No, just occasionally when I am dragging a window to a different workspace, something happens - I think the mouse cursor drifts too far upward and his the top edge of the screen - and the applet panel redraws.  Sometimes it redraws incompletely.   This last time it disappeared.
[19:45] <puff> I should clarify, I'm dragging the icons around on the workspace applet, not on the main screen.
[19:45] <kcxzero> oh ok, my bad. never experienced that issue before.
[19:46] <puff> Yeah, I think either I somehow applet panel Preferences Lock Panel got unchecked.
[19:48] <puff> recon_lap: I just figured out, last night I must have typo'd xfce-panel instead of xfce4-panel.
[19:49] <puff> Once again, #freenode to the rescue.  Muchos gracias, gang.
[19:49] <puff> Er, freenode #xubuntu to the rescue :-).
[20:28] <xubuntu177> Hello.  I am want to find out if the xubuntu gui has a common problem with loss of bar controls.
[20:29] <xubuntu177> Is a helper available?
[20:30] <kcxzero> xubuntu177,  the panel? could you expand on what you mean by loss of controls?
[20:31] <xubuntu177> OK. Drop down, and movement of window does not work for any application.  Two clean installations have had this problem after using for several hours of up time.
[20:34] <xubuntu177> For example an open application can't be closed using the dropdown menu and  corner buttons are missing.
[20:35] <kcxzero> oh ok
[20:35] <Sysi> xubuntu177: rm -rf ~/.cache/sessions and log out without saving session
[20:36] <xubuntu177> Then what?
[20:36] <kcxzero> log back in? lol
[20:36] <kcxzero> I've had that issue before too. i stoped using save sessions
[20:37] <kcxzero> just assigned startup applications, instead of saving my sessions.
[20:39] <xubuntu177> OK, I'll give that a whirl.  I am now on my other system with Mint 13 Xfce and it does not seem to have such a problem. I will probably be back.  Thanks for your help.
[20:39] <kcxzero> Yeah, try what he said. It worked for me in the past, hopefully it fixes your issue too.
[20:40] <xubuntu177> You mean there have been other reports of this issue?
[20:40] <kcxzero> I know I've had that issue when saving sessions. But I've never looked to see if anyone else had it.
[20:41] <kcxzero> It seemed to have happened to me when saving a session with applications running on multiple workspaces, but that could have just been a coincidence. I never took the time to mess with it too much. After disabling save sessions I never messed with it again.
[20:43] <xubuntu177> Disabling save.. was a long lasting fix for you kcxzero?
[20:44] <kcxzero> yeah, it should not happen again. By disabling save session you will boot into a new session each time. It only happened because I saved the session, do you know what I mean?
[20:45] <kcxzero> going by what you described, it sounds like exactly what happened to me. Missing borders, can't move windows etc.
[20:46] <xubuntu177> OK. So can this be elevated to the coding guys as a to-do?
[20:48] <kcxzero> I guess, if it's a bug.
[20:48] <xubuntu177> BIG bug IMHO as a dumb user.
[20:48] <Marzatha> what?
[20:49] <kcxzero> I can't seem to find anyone else mentioning it online. So after I fixed it, I never bothered with it again honestly.
[20:49] <Sysi> it's quite common problem but devs haven't really been able to reproduce it
[20:50] <kcxzero> Oh ok, so its known. It seemed to have happened to me when I saved a session on multiple workspaces.
[20:52] <xubuntu177> I usually clear all work spaces of all apps before closing so that would not seem to be a trigger.
[20:52] <xubuntu177> power off I mean
[20:54] <kcxzero> yeah, probably just a coincidence then. The only time it ever worked for me was when I only had a few apps running. Firefox, thunderbird. Then it was fine. Anytime I had enough programs running to utilize multiple workspaces was when I ran into the issue.
[20:56] <xubuntu177> to Sysi:  How do kxczero and I provide clues to help find the origin of this problem?
[20:57] <kcxzero> Is there a bug report?
[20:59] <xubuntu177> I have not submitted a bug report on this.
[20:59] <kcxzero> As I said, I never found anyone else mentioning the issue before. But I'm searching through launchpad now to see.
[21:00] <xubuntu177> OK, waiting for you
[21:01] <kcxzero> I don't see anything about it.
[21:04] <xubuntu177> That is odd if Sysi says it is a common problem
[21:04] <recon_lap> whats the problem?
[21:05] <kcxzero> where the windows manager crashes when you start a saved session. Missing borders etc.
[21:05] <xubuntu177> Right
[21:06] <kcxzero> I'm finding solution of how to restart it and deleting saved session, but no bug report.
[21:08] <recon_lap> never really noticed saved sessions, other than app restarting when i log in if i did not close them when i shutdown
[21:09] <kcxzero> Well actually what I'm finding has nothing to do with saved sessions, simply windows manager crashing. So I correct my statement. No, I don't see anything about saving sessions causing windows manager to crash.
[21:10] <kcxzero> So I should correct*
[21:10] <recon_lap> have you checked you error log?
[21:10] <xubuntu177> If you will excuse me for a minute, I will try kxczeros band aid on the problem system.  I will stay "live" here.
[21:11] <kcxzero> be sure to do what Sysi said. Delete your previous session. Then I would suggest disabling sessions from being saved automatically.
[21:13] <kcxzero> so recon_lap since apps are restarting if you don't close them before logging out, that means you have save sessions enabled?
[21:13] <recon_lap> would appear that is the case, never really paid much attention to it
[21:15] <recon_lap> oddly I dont have "Automatically save session on logout" checked
[21:16] <kcxzero> ok, thanks for the info. When i saved session I windows manager would crash. So I disabled it. I haven't used it in awhile. Were talking about it now because it sounds like the same thing is occurring to xubuntu177.
[21:17] <kcxzero> hmm, do you just have those applications set to startup on boot then, maybe?
[21:18] <recon_lap> let me log out and in again and see what happens , and firefox is the app I normally notice auto starting
[21:18] <kcxzero> What about settings manager > session and startup > general tab. Do you have auto save session on logout checked?
[21:18] <recon_lap> nope
[21:19] <recon_lap> brb
[21:20] <xubuntu177> My rig has the problem even with gedit window. i.e. no window buttons and no ablity to move the window with mouse grab.
[21:20] <kcxzero> yeah, sounds like windows manager has crashed and you can't control any app since the border is gone.
[21:20] <xubuntu177> I tried kcxzero's bandaid but it did not work.
[21:21] <xubuntu177> How do I delete the session on quit?
[21:21] <kcxzero> did you do what Sysi said. Delete the previous sessions?
[21:21] <xubuntu177> see Q
[21:21] <kcxzero> rm -rf ~/.cache/sessions
[21:22] <xubuntu177> OK, I open terminal and put that line in?
[21:22] <kcxzero> yeah
[21:23] <kcxzero> that will delete your previously saved sessions
[21:23] <xubuntu177> OK will do per kxczero
[21:24] <recon_lap> seems sessions getting saved despite not having it selected
[21:25] <kcxzero> recon_lap, you don't just have those application set to autostart in settings manager > application autostart? That's weird.
[21:26] <kcxzero> settings manager > session and startup > application autostart*
[21:28] <recon_lap> kcxzero: no, the not in that application list, firefox is the most likely to autostart. but i was switching between  xfce session and xubuntu session , so i'm a bit vague, but it was doing it in both
[21:29] <kcxzero> ok, thanks.
[21:29] <recon_lap> but pidgin did it as well
[21:29] <xubuntu177> OK tried kcxzero's solution but system reply was "cannot delete ' home/mydirectory'.  So it looks like I almost deleted my home directory
[21:30] <kcxzero> you used this rm -rf ~/.cache/sessions  ?
[21:30] <kcxzero> that should not remove your home directory
[21:30] <kcxzero> don't forget the ~
[21:30] <xubuntu177> yes exactly
[21:30] <xubuntu177> tilde was included
[21:31] <kcxzero> not sure then, have no idea why it would attempt to delete anything in your home directory.
[21:31] <xubuntu177> I will go back and check standby please
[21:32] <recon_lap> I got 10 files in that sessions folder
[21:32] <kcxzero> yeah, bunch of thunar ones?
[21:33] <kcxzero> and session
[21:33] <recon_lap> yep, wonder if it's just stopped saving new ones but still loading old ones
[21:33] <kcxzero> I can't remeber what the session ones are saved as.
[21:35] <recon_lap> xfce-session-username-machine:0 ,  xfce4-longidxxxxxxx.state
[21:35] <xubuntu177> SUCCESS!!
[21:36] <xubuntu177> I put a space between . and cache --- hand copying error.   Now window controls work OK
[21:36] <kcxzero> Great, glad you fixed it. recon_lap yeah that's it. I was just about to save a session just to check, saved me from having to thanks.
[21:38] <xubuntu177> I don't have any reason to save sessions but this should still be in a bug report?
[21:38] <kcxzero> I would think so.
[21:39] <kcxzero> Do you have sessions disabled now? like when you log out do you have save sessions for future login unchecked?
[21:39] <kcxzero> saved sessions* I should say.
[21:40] <kcxzero> Otherwise it may happen again. But since now you have the solution it may not be much of a big deal.. That's if you want to save your session. As for me I just autostart everything I need.
[21:40] <xubuntu177> Yes save sessions is disabled (unchecked)
[21:40] <kcxzero> ok cool
[21:42] <recon_lap> going to see if i can reproduce this behavior
[21:42] <xubuntu177> Xfce is my favorite.  I would like to keep it improving.  Do I have any further actions to help?
[21:43] <kcxzero> looks like recon_lap is going to try and reproduce it, see what he comes up with.
[21:43] <xubuntu177> Standing by
[21:43] <kcxzero> If he comes back you could always provide him with as much info you can to help. I'll stick around. But yeah, I couldn't find an actual bug report about it so...
[21:45] <kcxzero> recon_lap knows what he's talking about so if he can reproduce it he'll probably be the best person to start a bug report. I normally just contribute to things that have already been mentioned haha.
[21:45] <xubuntu177> Why did recon_lap have to leave.  Can't he just switch between computers like I can?
[21:46] <kcxzero> switch between computers? He may not have two computers? I personally would have done it on a virtual machine, but he may be logging out and doing it on his own.
[21:46] <kcxzero> is that what you mean xubuntu177, using two different computers?
[21:47] <xubuntu177> I have 3 boxes w/ 3 OSs on each
[21:49] <recon_lap> hmm, can't seem to get it to save session's at all now. if saved sessions are meant to open app's that where open when you logout
[21:50] <xubuntu177> That is the expected feature, right?
[21:50] <kcxzero> yeah, saved sessions are suppose to open up exactly what you had opened prior to logging out. However, I never got pidgin to ever open when I used it
[21:51] <xubuntu177> more bugs -- bummer
[21:52] <recon_lap> ok, the thunder files in .cache.sessions are all size 0
[21:53] <xubuntu177> Now, if il leave this string, how the h___ do I find out if this will continue to get resoved?
[21:53] <kcxzero> I don't think the thuner files have anything to do with it. I think it's the other ones. The ones all the way on the bottom, one you mentioned previously when I was asking about it
[21:53] <kcxzero> This one >  xfce-session-username-machine:0 ,  xfce4-longidxxxxxxx.state
[21:53] <recon_lap> ok, not seeing those files at all now
[21:54] <recon_lap> must be leftovers from previous bug
[21:55] <enjoyfebruary> Hi there. Does Xubuntu have cpu socket limitation?
[21:56] <kcxzero> xubuntu177, just hope? haha. I guess the best way would be to start a bug report, but I have no experience with that. All I've done is contribute to existing ones.
[21:57] <xubuntu177> One more thing.  There is a precursor behavior of the screen where I have a vertical panel on the left and the column of icons on the left do not shift over  (yes the panel is "locked") This is also cured by not saving the session.
[21:58] <recon_lap> xubuntu177: well if the panel was somewhere else in the saved session and it was loading that session that would move the panel
[22:00] <xubuntu177> What I am implying is that with saving sessions enabled.  The gui seems to degenerate, feature by feature with each use.
[22:00] <livingdaylight> greetings
[22:00] <recon_lap> xubuntu177: from my testing just now i dont think it's save sessions at all atm
[22:01] <kcxzero> no? seemed to happen to me pretty consistently following a saved session
[22:01] <kcxzero> haven't had it happen since I stopped using saved sessions
[22:02] <xubuntu177> I am saying there is some sort of ugly build up after many "saved" sessions.
[22:04] <recon_lap> kcxzero: what i think happened is that the saved session feature was fubar when it was rolled out, appears to do nothing now, but if you had files left over from the fubar release they still load, as the desktop gets updated the saved sessions get more and more out of date and cause more issues, when you remove the old saved sessions they are never loaded or created again
[22:05] <recon_lap> but i could be wrong :)
[22:05] <xubuntu177> If you all know how to elevate this issue.  Please do so.
[22:06] <xubuntu177> It at least should be in the "known bugs" data base
[22:07] <recon_lap> xubuntu177: it's one of those bugs that is hard to reproduce, I tried but cant
[22:10] <xubuntu177> OK thank all of you for your help.  I think I have made all the trouble I can. Carry on X-men!
[22:13] <livingdaylight> hi
[22:13] <xubuntu177> Last thought: maybe the location for storing the last session accumulates to the point that it starts to overwrite the location for the gui program file?
[22:16] <GridCube> !hi | livingdaylight
[22:17] <livingdaylight> Any suggestions how I can change the time/Date?
[22:18] <livingdaylight> http://clip2net.com/s/2piay
[22:18] <livingdaylight> Are there other time apps to install available?
[22:18] <xubuntu177> bye
[22:18] <livingdaylight> I've played with the settings of this clock and its very limited
[22:18] <livingdaylight> as the screenshhot shows the date is on top of Time making it very cramped
[22:20] <livingdaylight> anyone? :/
[22:21] <livingdaylight> I actually quite like how gnome shell 3 has the clock date in the middle of the panel - nice and clear too
[22:21] <recon_lap> livingdaylight: have you tried clicking on it? it should drop down
[22:22] <livingdaylight> ?
[22:22] <livingdaylight> clicking on it drops the calendar down. I'm talking about the default Date/Clock settings
[22:22] <recon_lap> livingdaylight: you can select properties as well and change the font size and format
[22:23] <livingdaylight> as I say, I've played with properties - very limited and I'm still left with either Clock on top fo Date or Date on top of Clock
[22:24] <livingdaylight> just enlarging the fonts makes them collide - its really ugly
[22:26] <livingdaylight> see no option for making it all read in one
[22:28] <livingdaylight> gawd, if I talk crap everyone stops to bother taking the time to tell me that this is a xubuntu support channel and to stay on topic. If, when I ask a xubuntu-related question - no one appears to be around.
[22:32] <livingdaylight> !hi | GridCube