[00:56] I just noticed that 12.10 isn't respecting the browser I select as default in system settings. i have google-chrome as default, however when i select a link outside of chrome, it gets opened in rekonq [00:57] >>> [1005 2] grep google-chrome ~/.kde/share/config/* [00:57] /home/nixternal/.kde/share/config/kdeglobals:BrowserApplication=google-chrome.desktop [00:59] ok, had to restart my session for that to kick in. don't know why that didn't stick during the upgrade [00:59] google-chrome was my default browser in 12.04, but after the upgrade to 12.10 it reverted back to rekonq [00:59] file a boog or let it go? [01:00] Riddell: FYI: installation didn't ask me to make a choice between KDM & LightDM [01:00] I was waiting for that step, but it never happened [01:02] think lightdm is default in 12.10 , nixternal [01:04] I think it is as well, but in the https://help.ubuntu.com/community/QuantalUpgrades/Kubuntu page that Riddell posted, it says it will ask you to choose between KDM & LightDM [01:05] ok , understood [01:08] i need to figure out how to make lightdm fit my main screen now with a dual monitor setup. forgot how i did that with kdm [01:08] and to be honest, i really don't care that much about it :) [01:10] yeah, I don't get the change from kdm , it worked fine but it's just a greeter so it's no big deal [01:33] nixternal: I took that note out. [01:33] Thanks. [01:37] no prob sir, glad I could contribute a lil sumpin' [01:38] We could announce the release again while Riddell's sleeping. [01:44] wasn't he sleeping when he announced it originally? :p [01:44] that's the whole reason I upgraded today. oh well, seems to be ok thus far, though I had my machine just shut off about an hour ago for no reason. [01:44] i thought the power went out, then i realized a) this is a laptop with a battery and b) the lights are still on [01:51] Kernel. Not our fault. === SolidLiq is now known as CodeGuru [06:37] ::workspace-bugs:: [1066892] initial power profiles do not use suspend support @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1066892 (by Harald Sitter) === yofel_ is now known as yofel [08:48] actually, it errored out at the same place, saying that [08:49] E: Internal Error, No file name for libc6 [08:57] hah [08:58] thanks spacetime [08:58] Riddell: we haz stickers http://dl.dropbox.com/u/17090527/IMAG0354.jpg [08:59] for some reason my phone takes really noise photos [09:00] those stickers are great! [09:00] :) [09:00] all thanks to spacetime for getting them printed ;) [09:01] yay spacetime! [09:03] spacetime: how many are these 0.o [09:03] I count 900 [09:05] * yofel is sure shadeslayer is raring to make some ringtail stickers too [09:05] lol [09:06] yofel: the fun part is that we get to write raring in our changelogs for months [09:06] indeed [09:06] at least it's easy to type :P [09:06] :D [09:07] would have been even more awesome if it was 'roaring' [09:26] 100% ready, awooga [10:18] Hello, what about this? http://blogs.kde.org/2012/10/17/kubuntu-not-released-yet [10:19] micmord: it'll be released sometime later today [10:19] Riddell accidentally left the published button ticked [10:19] micmord, of course it hasn't been released on 17th............. it will be on 18th:D [10:26] shadeslayer: lol [11:23] rar [11:24] Riddell, you want to roar? [11:24] a polite rar [11:24] getting in the mood for the next six months [11:25] Riddell, :D [11:31] bah kubuntu.org is being crap, what a surprise, images not syncing [11:32] ! [11:44] did somebody find time to package the new libmygpo-qt version yet? [11:54] Mamarok: It's kind of late for quantal but I think I can get to it after maliit if it's not urgent [11:54] Hi [11:55] Quintasan: yes, I know, but it would be nice to have in the backports for it, as it will be needed for the next Amarok [11:55] not urgent at all [11:58] kubotu: newversion libmygpo-qt 1.0.6 http://stefan.derkits.at/files/libmygpo-qt/libmygpo-qt.1.0.6.tar.gz [11:58] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1068078 [11:59] fancy [12:02] :D [12:02] yofel: I'm on it [12:02] sure, I just wanted to make sure it's not lost [12:03] can we add SRU functionality xD [12:03] yofel: Do we put it in kubuntu-backports or apply for inclusion in Ubuntu backports? [12:03] I don't kike filling out paperworks [12:03] *paperwork [12:03] shadeslayer: Noone does [12:04] I'd rather do packaging all day long instead of filling our sru's or other magic [12:04] yofel: fun fact, the build lp object does not update buildstate once the build state changes [12:04] so I get stuck with a outdated buildstate [12:04] do we need it in quantal *now* ? Otherwise just throw it into raring once it's open and backport as needed [12:04] Quintasan: I wouldn't really do packaging all day [12:05] yofel: No we don't. [12:05] >raring [12:05] ? [12:05] if you guys really have time go update the screenshots for the feature-tour [12:05] Quintasan: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1195 [12:05] yofel: new releasename [12:05] yofel: I'm asking where the backport should go :P [12:05] backport as needed implies you need to backport it somewhere [12:06] well, Mamarok said amarok needs it, so put it wherever you're going to backport amarok ot [12:06] *to [12:06] probably our backports first [12:07] kubuntu-backports I say [12:07] mmm bug fix release [12:07] * Quintasan uploads and stores the packaging [12:07] doesn't that warrant a SRU? [12:07] shadeslayer: It does [12:07] but you don't feel like filling out paperwork? : [12:07] :P [12:07] does it have a point release permission? Othewise you'll still have to review the diff [12:08] ^ [12:08] shadeslayer: I'm uploading to kubuntu-backports :P [12:08] hurrr durrr [12:08] trolololol [12:08] Quintasan: you don't get one of these http://dl.dropbox.com/u/17090527/IMAG0354.jpg [12:09] Why is that? [12:09] because you're not SRU'ing :P [12:09] Do we have SRU things into kubuntu-backports ppa? [12:09] mother of god [12:09] no no [12:09] I'm saying that you should SRU libmygpo-qt [12:09] since it's a bug fix release [12:10] and it shouldn't be too much of a hassle [12:10] quantal repos just closed [12:10] give em a week or something [12:10] right [12:10] I didn't mean right away ;) [12:11] SRUs need a good reason to get in, known bugs which it fixes [12:11] and fixes in a verifiable way [12:11] I had something similar sitting in my head but I didn't want to spew information I'm not certain of. [12:12] shadeslayer: no changelog on website of course xD [12:13] :P [12:13] Mamarok: any particular reason libmygpo-qt should be updated via SRU? [12:13] or should we just put it in backports [12:14] uhm, we were talking about backports in the first place [12:14] That's shadeslayer we're talking about :P [12:14] right, but the question is if it fixes criticla bugs that would warrant a SRU [12:14] Do we even have any bugs reported against it? [12:15] *critical [12:15] 0 bugs on LP [12:15] lemme look at the bugzilla [12:15] 2 bugs on their buzilla [12:16] otherwise here: https://github.com/gpodder/libmygpo-qt/commits/master [12:16] * yofel goes back to work [12:16] I'm just making sure we're not in the dark about some critical bug that Mamarok knows about ;) [12:16] Nothing interesting there as well [12:17] shadeslayer, yofel, Riddell: uploading to kubuntu-backports in 2 minutes if I don't have anyone against it. [12:17] fine by me :) [12:18] I almost did not test build additional time [12:19] Quintasan: https://github.com/gpodder/libmygpo-qt/compare/1.0.5...1.0.6 [12:19] <3 github [12:20] oh waut [12:20] new symbols! [12:20] yep [12:20] just additions [12:20] I was about to say that after looking at the diff ;) [12:20] yep [12:24] Riddell, its looking like the Kubuntu images are pretty much tested out and ready to go, could you sign off by adding the date in the "testing sign-off column" on the manifest? (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseManifest) [12:24] what do you think guys? shall I sign off? [12:25] * Quintasan testbuilds [12:25] (guys in the gender neutral sense) [12:25] ;) [12:25] Riddell: I did some testing and I was generally happy with the results, installers were a little bit slow but I blame it on the VM [12:26] * smartboyhw thinks Riddell should sign it off [12:26] Riddell: +1 [12:26] the desktop after install was well, normal, nothing special there [12:27] so, +1 on sign off [12:27] Riddell: +1 [12:28] Riddell: your wiki page needs updating ;) [12:28] :) [12:29] shadeslayer: I think I'll save that for another day [12:29] "D [12:29] :D [12:29] XD [12:29] gosh, I'm making all sorts of silly typos today [12:30] oh wait [12:30] skaet: voila [12:30] I'm dumb [12:30] I marked it as fix released where I uploaded it only to backports [12:30] Riddell, merci beaucoup! [12:30] any time for R repos to open? [12:31] yofel: Which screenshots need to be updated? [12:31] most are ok, if possible replace kopete with ktp [12:31] Sure [12:31] let me go to VM [12:31] I'm not sure how that water-mirror effect was done though [12:32] s/water-// [12:32] yofel meant: "I'm not sure how that mirror effect was done though" [12:38] not sure when the repos is open, at least https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/Raring-changes already exists [12:53] Lemme blur out contact info [12:54] ... [12:55] is there something like brush tool in krita? [12:56] da hell is this crap [12:57] why do we provide something saying digital paiting and I can't find a damn brush tool anywhere [12:57] any thoughts for a tagline to use on the banner image? [13:00] shadeslayer: Can you look into Bug #1066582 ? [13:00] Launchpad bug 1066582 in rekonq (Ubuntu) "Rekonq tries to save downloads in '/' by default" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1066582 [13:02] Hi all [13:02] Hi BluesKaj [13:02] hey smartboyhw [13:03] Quintasan can't into Krita [13:04] yofel: Can you take a screenshot of dragon player playing something? [13:05] not until I get home (i.e. in up to 4h) [13:12] yofel, Riddell: Here are dem KTP images http://people.ubuntu.com/~quintasan/uploads/ [13:12] I think I might have overdone it with the blurring [13:13] nah, they're ok IMO, question is how that mirror effect was done. But that's better than having Kopete on the page [13:14] with screenie? [13:16] here's a question, our download page currently says 32-bit recommended, should we recommend 64-bit now? [13:17] well [13:17] the major question would be flash [13:17] just as good on 64-bit these days [13:17] then imo it shouldn't really be an issue [13:18] with the advent of multiarch you can install i386 libs on amd64 [13:18] I think the reason for 32 is it works on all PCs while 64-bit won't work on older/cheaper [13:18] right [13:18] the question is, does anyone have those old machines which still only run 32 bit archs [13:19] my netbook is 32 bit only [13:19] yofel: about bug 1066582, can you check what Account Details > Path > Download Path says? [13:19] Launchpad bug 1066582 in rekonq (Ubuntu) "Rekonq tries to save downloads in '/' by default" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1066582 [13:19] and yes of course people will, but are they aware of it I wonder [13:20] my eeePC is 32bit only as well [13:20] imo the right way to approach it would be, "Do you have more than 4 GB's of RAM? Yes? Install the 64 bit iso, for everything else, 32 bit is fine " [13:20] shadeslayer: if you mean the default folder settings, that was set to Downloads I believe. I'll recheck later [13:21] shadeslayer: only without PAE, with that you usually get up to 64GiB [13:21] sigh, I thought all processors had 64 bit capabilities now [13:21] at least on my i7 PAE is 36bit adress width [13:21] yofel: people who have 64 GB's of RAM most certainly know what to do without thinking twice :p [13:23] also, 32bit does use a bit less memory, and has no multiarch issues [13:23] so IMO keep 32bit the default [13:24] ScottK: tried that apparently neither amarok nor tomahawk apparently cares, will have to do it myself it appears [13:27] ScottK: btw did you get a chance to try the workspace from my ppa? [13:33] bug 1039261 [13:33] Launchpad bug 1039261 in synaptiks (Ubuntu Precise) "Version Error loading touchpad kcm: Xinput extension is too old" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1039261 [13:38] wasn't that fixed? [13:38] not for precise :P [13:38] oh ok [13:39] for some reason synaptiks works just fine here [13:42] apachelogger: can I force overwrite firefox github repo [13:42] I messed it up with ff 16 :( [13:42] * apachelogger sighs [13:42] fix your repo [13:42] https://github.com/shadeslayer/firefox-kde is what I suggest [13:42] or forcepush, it is not like i care in particular [13:43] forcepush is what I'm thinking, but we lose all history [13:43] as if it matters [13:43] aye [13:43] no clue why you need a force push though [13:43] point being: learn to use git. [13:43] I know, I just messed it up this time :( [13:48] apachelogger: Not yet. [13:52] raring? [13:52] seriously [13:52] Oo [13:53] * ScottK wanted roasted [13:53] roasted rump? :P [13:54] rabbit [13:55] ScottK: quantal-proposed upload for bug 1066892 incoming [13:55] Launchpad bug 1066892 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu Quantal) "initial power profiles do not use suspend support" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1066892 [13:57] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/quantal/release/ [13:57] ISO release page is up it seems [14:02] shadeslayer: ssh, it's a secret [14:02] :D [14:02] Riddell, I will tell EVERYBODY in #ubuntu-release-party [14:02] lol [14:03] smartboyhw: um please don't [14:03] ::workspace-bugs:: [1066892] initial power profiles do not use suspend support @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1066892 (by Harald Sitter) [14:03] Riddell, I will;P [14:04] smartboyhw: you did, even though it's not released yet [14:04] sigh [14:04] sigh [14:06] that channel is insanely active, so hopefully that link would have scrolled past by for most people [14:07] sigh [14:10] /join #ubuntu-release-party [14:10] not sure why that wasn't a command, must need more coffee [14:11] an extra space [14:11] ah, yeah, i see it [14:12] is #ubuntu-release-party where i go and spam "is it out yet" "is it out yet" [14:13] thanks for a great release everyone, been a pretty smooth ride since alpha [14:13] cmagina: it's not out yet! [14:13] jjesse: yes that's the one [14:13] it will be soon :) [14:14] the page scrolls way to fast, but i assume thats what is going to be asked [14:16] I totally don't get that channel [14:16] apachelogger: it's a fun community thing [14:16] yeah i don't understand it eithe r:) [14:17] <<-- not social enough [14:17] there's not much to understand, marcel proust it is not [14:21] http://i.imgur.com/UrBPd.png < it's alive :D [14:22] shadeslayer++ [14:22] I'm just testing it now to check if it actually does show notifications once the package starts building [14:23] so it should go something like : i386 build of KDevelop started!!! [14:24] hm [14:25] more notifications [14:25] that's what we need [14:25] :P [14:27] allee: pingpingpingping [14:28] bambee: pingpingping [14:29] apachelogger: it was getting annoying to refresh build pages :P [14:31] Riddell: Quote for you from #u-r-p: "haggis is the new bacon" - I've no idea the context. [14:32] lol [14:32] ScottK: bug 368061 is impossible is it not? [14:32] Launchpad bug 368061 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "auto-login should not work with encrypted home" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/368061 [14:32] well, installation-wise [14:32] It is. [14:32] ScottK: started with : [19:57:33] HAGGIS FTW! [14:34] now I'm tempted to buy one of the lovely haggis pizzas for tea this evening [14:34] apachelogger: isn't that in direct conflict with bug 1066225 [14:34] Launchpad bug 1066225 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "encrypt home folder needs to be checkbox not radio button" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1066225 [14:34] apachelogger: pongpongpong [14:34] shadeslayer: yes-no [14:34] if you encrypt your home folder, you should not be allowed to choose autologin and hence the radio button makes sense [14:35] shadeslayer: turns out that bug argues that it should be visually apparent that encryption only is possible iff one does not use auto-login [14:35] which makes sense [14:35] shadeslayer: no it does not [14:35] it does not visually indicate the requirements [14:35] oh so you want to make it a checkbox, but disable it on auto login? [14:35] (*) autologin [14:35] shadeslayer: See the screen shot of the Ubuntu installer. [14:35] ( ) login [14:35] [ ] encrypt home [14:36] The way they do it make it very clear what goes with what. [14:36] Yes. Like that. [14:36] ahhhh [14:36] I thought 1066225 was kind of bogus until I saw the screen shot. [14:36] hehe [14:37] ScottK: same here [14:38] bug 542856 [14:38] Launchpad bug 542856 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "gdm has entry for kde but kde is not fully installed" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/542856 [14:38] we really need some policy on desktop files [14:38] right now we often have them in a -data package which screws epically with all sorts of software [14:41] ScottK: what do we do with bug 876399 [14:41] Launchpad bug 876399 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "kdm upstart profile" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/876399 [14:42] nice work with the 12.10 i have just upgrade [14:42] gz :)!! [14:42] totally valid and stuff, but that would potentially downgrade startup of setups that don't need that crap [14:42] apachelogger: If it's a good fix, upload it. People can still use kdm if they want. [14:42] (FWIW: lightdm also does not do it) [14:42] Maybe now that we have lightdm by default, that's ok. [14:43] thanks vista_killer [14:43] ScottK: well, if we let that kdm change in one could argue that lightdm should also be able to take network into account, seeing as lightdm is now default ;) [14:43] you welcome :) [14:44] apachelogger: I'd suggest the opposite. Lightdm is for the ~common case and if you need the networky stuff, use kdm. [14:44] actually I think my question is: if we don't let it in, what would be a good way to allow for people to still enable that feature [14:45] because... perhaps it would be more general a solution to simply have two upstart configs, and the admin can decide which one to use [14:45] How does one switch? [14:45] document it how people can set that themselves? should just be adding an override [14:45] ScottK: alternatives [14:46] all of dm stuff is handled via alternatives [14:46] alternatives are between packages, not within one though. [14:46] IIRC [14:46] can be latter unless I misremember things [14:46] anywho, so you have a package upstart-kdm-network for example [14:46] one could ship more in a package as long as it's properly set up in postinst [14:46] which contains only the upstart config [14:47] which actually makes it even more accessible as you then get a nice prompt when installing that additional package [14:47] "which dm do you want to use..." [14:47] * apachelogger has a which problem [14:47] bambee: whatever happened to userconfig getting into kde? and going c++? and stuff? [14:48] also polkit ^^ [14:48] what's wrong with polkit? [14:48] or was it supposed to get a new UI? [14:48] userconfig doesn't use it [14:48] ah [14:49] Riddell: You aren't the only one to publish early: http://www.canonical.com/content/ubuntu-1210-breaks-down-barrier-between-pc-and-web [14:52] ScottK: so easy to do, missing those pre-ticked boxes [14:52] Apparently that one doesn't actually say it's released. [14:59] yofel, Riddell: I cannot reproduce bug 1066861 [14:59] Launchpad bug 1066861 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu Quantal) "Plasma-netbook freezes after clicking on 'Page one' in the panel" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1066861 [15:00] apachelogger: really? [15:00] that's surprising [15:00] apachelogger: live system? [15:01] it only happens on live? [15:01] Oo [15:01] apachelogger: pong [15:02] allee: any other digikam bugs that may be SRUable? [15:07] ::workspace-bugs:: [1066892] initial power profiles do not use suspend support @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1066892 (by Harald Sitter) [15:09] Riddell: with network or without? [15:09] what graphics driver? [15:09] intel, probably without network [15:09] started into netbook or desktop and then swichted to netbook? [15:09] also i386? [15:09] I only have a i386 netbook [15:09] from a newly installed quantal image [15:10] * apachelogger tries with today's snapshot of i386 [15:10] unfortunately I do not have my netbook here [15:10] Riddell: can you still reproduce it in the install? [15:10] yep [15:11] curious enough [15:11] Riddell: Does https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-r-kubuntu-ubiquity-other need a session at UDS? [15:11] Riddell: do you have time to try something right now? [15:11] * ScottK thinks we should accept it. [15:12] ScottK: yes, especially if xnox can come [15:12] apachelogger: could do [15:12] Riddell: first please paste your plasma-netbook-appletsrc [15:12] plasma-netbookrc too [15:12] OK. [15:13] bulldog98: didn't you want to redo ubiquity in qml? [15:13] Riddell: OK. Done. Would you please make yourself essential on that one. [15:15] apachelogger: http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/plasma-netbookrc [15:16] http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/plasma-netbook-appletsrc [15:18] Riddell: forbidden [15:18] apachelogger: try now [15:18] w00t [15:18] yofel: http://i.imgur.com/T6CTD.png [15:20] apachelogger: did you run a full plasma-netbook session or just run plasma-netbook binary from a desktop session? [15:20] latter, it was an older build though [15:21] We should probably make some specs for UDS. [15:21] ScottK: I wasn't going to think about that until we were released :) [15:21] OK. [15:22] but don't let me put you off [15:22] Except once we release you probably won't be able to get to the data center to do it. [15:22] a postponed-review session would be good [15:22] Well, I'm allegedly doing $work ATM. [15:23] Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1287092/ [15:23] appletsrc that is [15:27] bleh [15:27] usb-creator once again seems broken [15:27] -.- [15:27] Works here just fine. [15:27] doesn't enable the bottom 2 options for me [15:27] The ones about persistence? [15:28] aye [15:29] Hmm. Fine here. [15:29] apachelogger: that makes the issue go away [15:29]