[00:00] <dbtmro1> I had a few problems with nvidia driver, but I've sorted it out...   :)
[00:00] <somethingoranoth> I've had a ton of problems with the new version of grub2 breaking personally :S
[00:01] <dbtmro1> :(
[00:02] <somethingoranoth> I don't know what they changed from 1.99 to 2.00 but it seems like things are completely different now.
[00:08] <somethingoranoth> Is there anything external in Quantal that controls GRUB?
[00:08] <somethingoranoth> Any files that override everything I do to theme it?
[00:08] <somethingoranoth> Or edit it?
[00:09] <sebsebseb> somethingoranoth: the config files :d
[00:09] <sebsebseb> I don't know :d
[00:10] <somethingoranoth> I've been trying everything I can think of and everything either fails, breaks grub completely or makes Ubuntu fail to boot.
[00:11] <somethingoranoth> Right now I'd just like to be able to unhide grub.
[00:11] <somethingoranoth> GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0
[00:11] <somethingoranoth> changing that does nothing
[00:11] <somethingoranoth> GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET=true
[00:12] <somethingoranoth> changing that makes ubuntu boot with a permanent purple splash screen and forces me to purge and reinstall grub if I want to be able to boot properly again
[00:12] <somethingoranoth> any ideas?
[00:15] <somethingoranoth> <_<
[00:15] <somethingoranoth> >_>
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[00:18] <jbicha> somethingoranoth: I think I just set /etc/default/grub GRUB_TIMEOUT=0
[00:20] <rendero> !isitout
[00:23] <somethingoranoth> grub_timeout=0 just caused grub to hang...
[00:28] <sebsebseb> hi
[00:57] <khamer> Can I snag someone for a simple test?
[00:57] <khamer> especially someone who uses terminator terminal emulator?
[01:07] <khamer> Nevermind, haha, I found the bug report from when I was trying to debug this last time and found my own comment that I had completely forgotten that has the workaround.
[01:17] <lewellyn> just an fyi, kernel panics are now less-informative at boot time.
[01:17] <lewellyn> 12.04 gave me http://imgur.com/u4Fnk and 12.10 gives the more-concise http://imgur.com/kbl67
[01:18] <lewellyn> prior to 12.04, the behavior appears the same as 12.04
[02:37] <bjrohan> Anyone here who can help with a weird (at least to me) Java issue?
[02:38] <frybye> bjrohan: not noticed anything - explain?
[02:39] <frybye> btw - when is the release?
[02:39] <bjrohan> For a webstie I help with, they have a plug0in screencast recoder, prior to me doing a wipe of 12.04 and installin 12.10 BETA 1 I could use it. Now when I go it says it can't detect Java.
[02:39] <bjrohan> I go to the plugin makers page screenr, it works just fine.
[02:40] <bjrohan> I go to the screenr get java page, and it can't detect Java on my system, however, from that exact page I can do a screencast recording (these are all done online via java, nothing installed on system)
[02:41] <RaringOne> frybye: in the next 36-48 hours
[02:41] <RaringOne> !schedule
[02:41] <frybye> what happens when you install jre?
[02:42] <bjrohan> Forgive me I am new. JRE is the standard download from Java correct?
[02:43] <frybye> well I guess so - I am not all that clued myself...
[02:44] <bjrohan> default jre is installed as well as open jdk-7
[02:44] <bjrohan> 6 and 7 I think
[02:44] <lewellyn> well, hopefully my screenshots prove helpful to someone. for all i know, it's intentional, though. *shrug*
[02:44] <bjrohan> yes 6 annd 7
[02:46] <frybye> bjrohan: perhaps sbdy else has a better grasp of this...
[02:47] <frybye> RaringOne: RelewaseSchedule just says "18th Oct."  here in cent. Europe it's that now..
[02:48] <frybye> in my settings/information it says 12.10 right now - so I was not so sure...
[02:48] <bjrohan> this channel is now pointless for 1 hour
[02:48] <RaringOne> frybye: it is still the 17th here :)
[02:48] <bjrohan> until 13.4 is alpha is released
[02:48] <wilee-nilee> bjrohan, Hehe that will get you help.
[02:49] <frybye> bjrohan: that is what I was kinda thinking...
[02:49] <bjrohan> not for no help, just because beta is n longer
[02:49] <bjsnider> openjdk is the default java provider
[02:49] <frybye> bjrohan: just a matter of nomenclature...
[02:49] <bjrohan> yeppers
[02:50] <bjsnider> i don't think partner has the oracle java anymore
[02:50] <bjsnider> you can open a terminal and do java -version
[02:51] <bjrohan> java version "1.7.0_07"
[02:51] <bjrohan> OpenJDK Runtime Environment (IcedTea7 2.3.2) (7u7-2.3.2a-1ubuntu1)
[02:51] <bjrohan> OpenJDK Server VM (build 23.2-b09, mixed mode)
[02:51] <bjsnider> that's what it should be
[02:53] <bjsnider> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java
[02:53] <bjsnider> that page will tell you all  you need to know
[02:54] <bjrohan> I have icedtea 6 & 7 installed. Why would the website say that I don't have it yet still run (maker of the product) while the site I need it to work on it won't
[02:55] <bjsnider> possibly a bug in icedtea or openjdk at large
[02:55] <bjrohan> It had worked fine when I just had 12.4, went to 12.10 then fubar
[02:55] <bjsnider> you might need oracle's package
[02:56] <bjrohan> gotcha
[02:56] <bjsnider> but they junked up the license
[02:59] <bjrohan> I have one other issue, I can't get videos to play. in Dragon Player to play a .mov I need a h.264 codec, understandable, it searches for packages, finds gstream0.10-ffmpeg. I can't install it du to dependency issues, I have traced it all the way back to a required libx-120 package where I have -123 installed. This is also required for ffMPEG which I would like to install
[02:59] <bjsnider> install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[03:00] <bjsnider> you can have multiple libx264 packages on one system at the same time
[03:02] <bjrohan> Will give that a try
[03:09] <bjrohan> ahh, when I look for  libx264-120, I can't find it in the package manager, even after adding the restricted addons
[03:12] <bjsnider> it's libav now, not ffmpeg
[03:13] <bjrohan> so install libav source package?
[03:14] <bjsnider> you can purge the -120 package
[03:15] <bjsnider> -120 was precise, quantal is up to -123
[03:18] <bjrohan> but the items I want to install require -120. I already have -123 installed
[03:19] <bjsnider> no they don't
[03:20] <bjrohan> then why do they say they do?
[03:21] <bjsnider> you've got precise stuff in there somewhere
[03:21] <bjsnider> -120 would not be referenced in quantal
[03:21] <bjsnider> i've got all of this stuff you're talking about, except dragon player because i wouldn't be caught dead using kde
[03:22] <bjrohan> What would you recommend I use? It matters not to me, I am new
[03:22] <bjsnider> you upgraded from precise right?
[03:24] <bjrohan> yes
[03:24] <bjrohan> NO
[03:24] <bjrohan> I had precise, I backed up my home dir, erased and installed 12.10 beta 1
[03:25] <bjrohan> I want to install ffmpeg to do screen recording, ffmpeg gives me the same error messages
[03:25] <bjsnider> ok, it's libav in ubuntu
[03:26] <bjsnider> attempt to install ubuntu-restricted-extras and pastebin the result
[03:27] <bjrohan> it is installed
[03:27] <bjsnider> then do install --reinstall
[03:27] <bjsnider> or remove and isntall again
[03:27] <bjrohan> ok
[03:28] <bjrohan> how do I do that via command, I am using package manager to do all this
[03:28] <bjrohan> I have no libav installed, I see a libav-source, install that?
[03:29] <bjsnider> sudo apt-get install --reinstall ubuntu-restricted-extras
[03:30] <bjrohan> Done, it installed, and gave this recommended package - gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse libavcodec-extra-53
[03:31] <bjsnider> install those two
[03:31] <bjsnider> then try playing this mov file
[03:31] <bjrohan> tried doing gstreamer, says it can't because it needs libmjpegtools-1.9
[03:32] <bjrohan> that can't be done, it needs: libquicktime2
[03:32] <bjrohan> that could not be installed it needs libavcodec53
[03:33] <bjrohan> libavcodec-extra-53 could not be installed it needs guess what?   libx264-120
[03:33] <bjrohan> :(
[03:33] <bjrohan> weird
[03:33] <micahg> nothing in quantal depends on that
[03:34] <bjrohan> apparently ffmpeg does
[03:34] <bjrohan> you have ffmpeg installed?
[03:34] <bjsnider> no it doesn't
[03:35] <bjrohan> then why do I get that message trying to install it?
[03:35] <bjsnider> bjrohan, don't take my word for it, look for yourself: http://packages.ubuntu.com/quantal/libavcodec-extra-53
[03:35] <bjsnider> it depends on -123
[03:36] <bjrohan> yep
[03:36] <bjrohan> why would it ask? Hmm
[03:37] <bjrohan> I installed 12.10 Beta 1 fresh
[03:38] <bjrohan> nor does libavcodec53 need it
[03:39] <bjrohan> poop
[03:42] <bjsnider> bjrohan, somehow you must have a precise package in there if it's asking for precise's libx264
[03:42] <bjrohan> How would I check, and remove it?
[03:42] <bjrohan> asking for it, but I have -123 installed :-(
[03:42] <bjsnider> bjrohan, have you tried apt-get -f install apt-get dist-upgrade?
[03:43] <bjrohan> will try it
[03:43] <bjrohan> says unable to locate, and my package manager is shut off
[03:44] <bjrohan> I typed sudo apt-get -f install apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:45] <bjrohan> brb
[03:49] <Daekdroom> I think that command is flawed.
[03:49] <Daekdroom> Just saying.
[03:54] <bjrohan> I am still trying the upgrade command, it is giving me errors
[03:54] <bjrohan> sudo apt-get -f install apt-get dist-upgrade correct?
[03:55] <bjsnider> no
[03:55] <bjrohan> what is it?
[03:55] <bjsnider> -f install and dist-upgrade are separate commands
[03:56] <bjrohan> ok
[03:57] <bjrohan> I separated them, nothing changed, cept it said I could autoremove some packages,when I tried, it said I couldn't do it
[03:57] <bjsnider> why not?
[03:58] <bjrohan> my fault typed apt-ger
[03:58] <bjrohan> autoremoce
[03:58] <bjrohan> autoremove
[03:58] <bjrohan> it workd and is removing them
[03:58] <bjrohan> perhaps that will help?
[04:02] <bjrohan> Grrr
[04:02] <bjrohan> no go
[04:02] <bjrohan> still requesting the -120 version
[04:05] <bjsnider> well have you been doing your daily updates?
[04:07] <bjrohan> Yep, several times a day
[04:07] <bjsnider> you don't seem familiar with some of the basic debian/ubuntu commands, so isn't it possible you didn't do your wipe/reload correctly?
[04:10] <bjrohan> Perhaps. My comp was dual boot with windows. I backed up home dir, booted from live CD, formatted entire drive and installed
[05:08] <JHOSMAN> What time is released quantal?
[05:09] <RaringOne> !isitout
[06:03] <somethingoranoth> hey quick question
[06:03] <somethingoranoth> If I remove lightdm and install gdm will it automatically switch to it on the next reboot or do I need to do anything else?
[06:57] <somethingoranoth> I feel like a broken record asking this but how does one unhide Grub2 permanently on Quantal?
[06:57] <somethingoranoth> I've tried everything I can think of and nothing's been working.
[06:58] <somethingoranoth> and of course you're all afk
[07:01] <popey> somethingoranoth, edit /etc/default/grub and ..
[07:01] <popey> GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=10
[07:01] <popey> GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET=false
[07:01] <popey> then "sudo update-grub"
[07:01] <somethingoranoth> I've done that 2-3 times now. It remains hidden and the rest of the boot process fails.
[07:05] <somethingoranoth> okay I'm back again
[07:05] <somethingoranoth> rebooted tried what you said
[07:05] <somethingoranoth> no grub
[07:06] <somethingoranoth> only a timer counting down from ten after which point it continued to boot
[07:06] <somethingoranoth> it boots fine but I only see said timer
[07:07] <RaringOne> when you see the timer hit the arrow keys.
[07:08] <somethingoranoth> I know how to unhide it. I'd prefer it not be hidden by default though.
[07:08] <somethingoranoth> Is there no way to do that?
[07:08] <RaringOne> yes, by setting GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=10 and GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET=false
[07:09] <somethingoranoth> I did that and it showed the timer I specified above. It didn't unhide it...
[07:10] <somethingoranoth> okay
[07:11] <somethingoranoth> in the documentation itself GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=10 sets the timer to 10
[07:11] <somethingoranoth> GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET=false does nothing but show said timer
[07:11] <somethingoranoth> it doesn't effect grub being hidden
[07:12] <somethingoranoth> thing is I don't know what would then
[07:13] <somethingoranoth> there's a lot of documentation...
[07:17] <somethingoranoth> anyone?
[07:17] <somethingoranoth> :C
[07:23] <md_5> people started spamming 'when' yet?
[07:23] <somethingoranoth> a few here and there
[07:25] <jussi> !isitout | md_5
[07:25] <jussi> :P
[07:25] <yofel_> somethingoranoth: I personally just removed both HIDDEN options from etc/default/grub. Now I get normal grub with GRUB_TIMEOUT as timeout
[07:25] <md_5> :P
[07:26] <somethingoranoth> if that works...
[07:26] <somethingoranoth> >_>
[07:26] <somethingoranoth> <_<
[07:28] <md_5> !when
[07:29] <RaringOne> ubottu: when is <reply> when it is ready.
[07:30]  * somethingoranoth crosses fingers
[07:30] <somethingoranoth> the unhide worked
[07:30] <somethingoranoth> the theming...
[07:30] <somethingoranoth> not so much :C
[07:30] <somethingoranoth> still C:
[07:30] <somethingoranoth> THANK YOU SO MUCH ()_()
[07:33] <somethingoranoth> yofel: real quick can you think of any reason this might not work? http://pastebin.com/jKetHQjU
[07:33] <somethingoranoth> specifically the background image and colors
[07:38] <somethingoranoth> any ideas?
[07:40] <somethingoranoth> 3:
[07:42] <somethingoranoth> OH MY GOD
[07:42] <somethingoranoth> okay so apparently the color's controlled under /lib/plymouth/themes/default.gru
[07:42] <somethingoranoth> grub
[07:42] <somethingoranoth> default.grub
[07:44] <yofel> yeah, the theming is a bit weird, see /etc/grub.d/05_debian_theme
[07:44] <somethingoranoth> What is plymouth anyway?
[07:44] <yofel> the app that shows the boot splash and lets you talk to the system services during boot
[07:44] <somethingoranoth> oh
[07:46] <somethingoranoth> hopefuly with this I will have purged the last of the purple menace from my system XD
[07:47] <somethingoranoth> what happens if I remove the quiet and splash flags completely? is it bad if there are no flags there to speak of?
[07:47] <yofel> well, you'll get the old-school text messages during boot
[07:47] <yofel> that's all
[07:48] <somethingoranoth> Okay.
[07:48] <somethingoranoth> See I've been having a ton of trouble that forced me to question everything I know. Now I don't really know what was happening anymore.
[07:48] <yofel> quiet hides them, and splash shows the boot splash
[07:49] <somethingoranoth> Really by this point I think the boot process hangs if I hit any keys during it for some reason.
[07:49] <somethingoranoth> though that doesn't really make sense...
[07:50] <somethingoranoth> now its not booting again ._.
[07:50] <somethingoranoth> it just hangs at what used to be a purple screen before I changed it to black
[07:51] <somethingoranoth> oh there we go
[07:51] <somethingoranoth> it hung the first couple of times
[07:51] <somethingoranoth> I don't even know what's wrong anymore... ;^;
[07:52] <somethingoranoth> oh well as long as it works :S
[07:52] <somethingoranoth> I...
[07:52] <somethingoranoth> that's a bad motto
[07:56] <somethingoranoth> now I just need to get my volume keys working and I'm done
[07:57] <somethingoranoth> ^.^
[08:05] <somethingoranoth> are there no alsa modules provided for 3.5.0-17-generic in the ubuntu-audio-dev ppa?
[08:27] <nootje> how late come ubuntu 12.10
[08:28] <somethingoranoth> Back with another question >_>
[08:28] <somethingoranoth> Not getting any sound in Ubuntu
[08:28] <nootje> how late come ubuntu 12.10
[08:29] <nootje> how late come ubuntu 12.10
[08:30] <nootje> how late come ubuntu 12.10
[08:30] <nootje> how late come ubuntu 12.10 :-S
[08:31] <somethingoranoth> anyone care to help a gu figure out why Ubuntu's not detecting a soundcard
[08:31] <nootje> how late come ubuntu 12.10
[08:31] <somethingoranoth> pavucontrol says its outputting to a dummy
[08:31] <somethingoranoth> and...
[08:31] <RaringOne> nootje: when it is ready
[08:31] <somethingoranoth> http://pastebin.com/hnrZa4x5
[08:32] <RaringOne> !party | nootje
[08:32] <nootje> oke
[08:32] <prometoys> nootje: i'm curious too, but it doesnt help, if you ask it ten times ;)
[08:32] <somethingoranoth> anyone here have any idea what's wrong?
[08:33] <prometoys> is it normal, that the quantal-desktop image needs 800mb on the CD? and is there an offical RC?
[08:34] <babalu> µ/join #ubuntu-release-party
[08:35] <valorie> hi folks, when I tried to upgrade my netbook to quantal from precise, it stopped before finishing the upgrade, and now will not boot
[08:36] <valorie> is there any interest in error messages and such, or shall I just install from a thumbdrive?
[08:36] <minas> hi, has 12.10 become available for download?
[08:36] <valorie> I didn't want to go ahead and do that if there is QA interest
[08:37] <valorie> quantal beta, I should specify
[08:39] <valorie> minas | !schedule
[08:39] <valorie> ah
[08:39] <valorie> ah
[08:39] <valorie> minas | !schedule
[08:39] <minas> sorry, I didn't understand that
[08:39] <valorie> oh, foo
[08:39] <valorie> !schedule
[08:40] <valorie> minas: ^^^
[08:40] <valorie> trouble typing tonight
[08:40] <minas> it says it's today
[08:42] <nootje> I have a question how late ubuntu 12.10 from
[08:43] <jokerdino> how late??! what's that supposed to mean?
[08:43] <Gabriel_SOE> I was under the impression that 12.10 is out today.
[08:43] <Gabriel_SOE> is it?
[08:43] <jokerdino> Gabriel_SOE: not yet.
[08:44] <nootje> what is the release time of ubuntu 12.10
[08:46] <nootje> I have a question how late ubuntu 12.10 from
[08:46] <nootje> I have a question how late come ubuntu 12.10 from
[08:47] <valorie> !schedule | nootje
[08:48] <nootje> oke
[08:48] <jokerdino> nootje: http://askubuntu.com/q/65476/25798
[08:48] <nootje> oke
[08:57] <valorie> ok, if no interest in the upgrade errors, I'll just install from the thumbdrive
[09:02] <scoundrel> hi, does anybody know when 12.10 will be available for download
[09:03] <valorie> !schedule | scoundrel
[09:05] <scoundrel> Hi thanks for that, I understood it was today, but havent been able to find a download link yet which was why I was asking, thankyou though
[09:05] <jokerdino> scoundrel: see also http://askubuntu.com/q/65476/25798
[09:08] <scoundrel> jokerdino: that was very helpful and funny too, thank you
[09:08] <jokerdino> no problem. :)
[09:10] <peto_> i
[09:10] <peto_> hu
[09:10] <peto_> hi
[09:10] <peto_> o/
[09:10] <somethingoranoth> Quick question. I'm running Quantal with Openbox and Pulseaudio. Currently pavucontrol shows that the only sound output is a dummy card but when I run sudo aplay -l my soundcard shows up. Any ida what might be wrong?
[09:16] <somethingoranoth> anyone?
[09:17] <bkeith> What time will Ubuntu 12.10 be released at?
[09:18] <jokerdino> bkeith: http://askubuntu.com/q/65476/25798 and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseSchedule
[09:22] <killer_> It says on 18 oct (what time)
[09:26] <somethingoranoth> If I'm using a custom .xinitrc script on startup is there anything I need to add to get audio working in Ubuntu?
[09:26] <valorie> killer_: http://askubuntu.com/q/65476/25798
[09:27] <jokerdino> :)
[09:31] <somethingoranoth> you know for a support channel its hard to get help here...
[09:32] <jokerdino> this is more like a discussion channel.
[09:32] <somethingoranoth> Well I get yelled at to go here when I ask for help in #Ubuntu.
[09:32] <somethingoranoth> :S
[09:32] <valorie> what?
[09:32] <valorie> that IS the support chan
[09:33] <somethingoranoth> O
[09:33] <jokerdino> folks at #ubuntu don't like pre-released versions :)
[09:33] <somethingoranoth> I'm using Quantal. They usually just yell at me to ask here because they "can't help me"
[09:33] <somethingoranoth> folks at #ubuntu don't like much of anything actually
[09:33] <jokerdino> somethingoranoth: try ubuntuforums Ubuntu+1 section or askubuntu.com
[09:33] <somethingoranoth> they're quite rude
[09:33] <somethingoranoth> well
[09:33] <somethingoranoth> the ones I've encountered at least
[09:34] <somethingoranoth> whatever it is I'm off for the night, I've fixed everything except the fact that I'm not getting any audio by this point... :L
[09:34] <jokerdino> good night. :)
[09:34] <valorie> 's true that this is the chan for alpha and beta releases
[10:44] <TheDrums> Howdy, is there some simple way to get grub2 (12.10) config more like the one in 12.04?  Basically, tell you more than just "Ubuntu"?
[10:47] <ikonia> TheDrums: what does the 12.10 config look like
[10:48] <TheDrums> ikonia: Top item is "Ubuntu", next is "Ubuntu Advanced Options" (Or close to it) and since /boot/grub/grub.cfg is regenerated every time...   Also, /etc/default/grub did not change from 12.04 to 12.10.
[10:49] <Andy80> hi :)
[10:51] <Andy80> I've a little (I hope :P ) problem. I've just upgraded from Ubuntu 12.04 to Ubuntu 12.10, I have a Nvidia GeForce GT 640 graphic card (not supported by default on 12.04, but perfectly working with X-Swat PPA drivers) and I'm using the same driver version I was using before: 304.51 (if I remember correctly). The problem is that the maximum resolution is now 1024x768 while it was 1680x1050 before. How can I fix this? P.s: the Nvidia driver is in use
[10:51] <Andy80> (reading the Nvidia Settings panel). Thanks.
[11:10] <rafaelement> :D any info about the remaining time until 12.10 hits the download page? I have some customers waiting for their laptops.
[11:12] <ikonia> are you kidding me
[11:12] <ikonia> you're basing "customer" on a non-set delivery date
[11:14] <RaringOne> rafaelement: it will be released as soon as it is ready to be released, you can wait for the announcement in #ubuntu-release-party
[11:17] <vega-> rafaelement: installing a zero day old untested release on customer laptops? err.. how about 12.04 LTS ?
[11:23] <Ian_Corne> "untested"
[11:23] <Ian_Corne> I think you just hit a lot of people's toes here :p
[11:24] <Ian_Corne> the msg stays the same though :)
[11:31] <TheDrums> Ah, solved my issue, but maybe in an unsupported manner.
[11:46] <lanoxx> hi, what time are the Ubuntu images going to be ready today?
[11:46] <tsimpson> lanoxx: there is no published time, just wait in #ubuntu-release-party for the announcement
[11:57] <kroson> Hello, is ubuntu 12.10 released in any server?
[12:01] <KM0201> kroson: released?  no.. it's not released (at least final release).. it's still alpha i do believe.
[12:01] <KM0201> if you mean can you download it, yes.
[12:01] <KM0201> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/quantal/beta2
[12:01] <KM0201> hmm, guess it is beta.
[12:04] <ovidiu^^> so today is the releasing of ubuntu 12.10
[12:04] <Stanley00> !out
[12:04] <RaringOne> !isitout
[12:05] <Stanley00> =))
[12:05] <ovidiu^^> what's with the music ubottu?
[12:06] <patcito> !isitout
[12:07] <patcito> !isitout
[12:14] <zfze> !isitoutyet
[12:20] <Fodi69> !isitout
[12:27] <racho> !isitout
[12:39] <patdk-wk> !partytime
[12:41] <racho> !isitout
[12:55] <racho> !party
[12:56] <Papa> eloo
[12:56] <Treaver> Where is Ubuntu 12.10? It says October 18 it will be released!
[12:57] <Papa> today Slideshow: Say hello to Ubuntu 12.10 Linux
[12:57] <Papa> Cloud-Focused Ubuntu 12.10 ('Quantal Quetzal') Released
[12:58] <Papa> lts releases do not work for me
[12:58] <Papa> :(
[13:02] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:03] <racho> *it will
[13:06] <Treaver> Where do I download them!?!?!
[13:06] <Treaver> I want the release
[13:07] <racho> !isitout
[13:07] <racho> afaik the kubuntu 12.10 iso is out....where's the ubuntu one
[13:30] <babalu> racho: where?
[13:38] <needhelp1> has 12.10 hit the download page yet?
[13:38] <needhelp1> im seeing news reports that it has, but im not seeing it
[13:38] <RaringOne> !isitout
[13:38] <JHOSMAN> time of upload the DVD's?
[13:38] <Pici> when they're done.
[13:38] <RaringOne> !when
[13:39] <needhelp1> "Canonical has released both the server and desktop editions of 12.10  Ubuntu, which offers a glimpse of how this Linux distribution will  evolve in the next few years."
[13:39] <needhelp1> why is there news report, all over the net already
[13:39] <needhelp1> http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9232544/Canonical_Ubuntu_12.10_brings_the_Internet_closer_to_the_desktop
[13:40] <Pici> needhelp1: because we put up the release notes as we work on them even before the release is official.
[13:41] <needhelp1> many articles, even on large reputable news sites, link to the ubuntu download page to "download now"
[13:41] <Pici> needhelp1: its not on the download page though.
[13:41] <needhelp1> right, which is my point
[13:42] <needhelp1> part of a successful release would include an orchestrated roll out with media.
[13:42] <ikonia> needhelp1: PLEASE STOP
[13:42] <ikonia> needhelp1: there has been no release announcment yet
[13:42] <ikonia> hence why it's not available for download
[13:42] <Daekdroom> I think it's media's incompetence. :p
[13:42] <Pici> Daekdroom: that
[13:42] <Daekdroom> y'know, for linking it without checking whether it has been released or not.
[13:43] <JHOSMAN> Can anyone tell me approximately what time are the images of the DVD 12.10
[13:43] <Pici> JHOSMAN: when they're done.
[13:43] <Pici> there is not, nor has there ever been a preset time for an Ubuntu release.
[13:43] <JHOSMAN> AProx at time?
[13:43] <JHOSMAN> hour?
[13:43] <Pici> ...
[13:44] <Daekdroom> Wasn't there for Ubuntu 10.10?
[13:44] <Pici> JHOSMAN: Are you reading my messages at all?
[13:44] <needhelp1> even pc magazine tells people to go download the new version, now . http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2411109,00.asp
[13:44] <Daekdroom> needhelp1, because they're idiots.
[13:44] <Pici> needhelp1: we don't care. Its not out.  Take your complaints up with them.
[13:44] <Papa> dvd = language packs more softwares nothing else
[13:45] <Papa> live cd = best
[13:45] <Daekdroom> Papa, there's no LiveCD
[13:45] <Daekdroom> The ISO has up to 800MiB now. (or was it 750?)
[13:45] <Papa> yea 730 mb
[13:45] <Papa> kubuntu 1 gb lol
[13:45] <Papa> lubuntu - 658
[13:46] <JHOSMAN> yes i read the messages
[13:46] <needhelp1> Pici: if your saying you don't care that the media falsely represents the Ubuntu Brand, then I would argue that this is a missed opportunity that could lead to bad impressions.
[13:46] <JHOSMAN> I thing the download are ready at 21:00 (-5GTM) ??
[13:47] <Pici> JHOSMAN: stop it.  Its not out.  It will be out when it is done. We do not make promises as to what time it will be out.
[13:47] <JHOSMAN> Pici Thanks!
[13:47] <JHOSMAN> clearly understand=)
[13:47] <kroson> Pici: as usual, just wait and we will see it soon :). Just patience
[13:50] <Papa> it is really sad than unity is the slowest desktop environment lol kde faster than unity
[13:52] <JHOSMAN> I have a question regarding this mirror any of you could tell me if it is updated and I can leave as mirror to download the final version? http://mirror.globo.com/ubuntu/releases/quantal/
[13:52] <JHOSMAN> excuseme this>>>> http://mirror.edatel.net.co/ubuntu-releases/quantal/
[13:53] <drussell> ops need to update the channel to "Welcome to #ubuntu+1, the channel for discussion of pre-release versions of Ubuntu. The next version of Ubuntu will be 13.04 with development codename Raring Ringtail."
[13:53] <Rallias> So, regarding 12.10, what notification library should I use with openbox?
[13:54] <designbybeck_> I've never created anything with Bash. Can someone help me determine if I have this correct? http://www.pasteall.org/36369
[13:54] <kroson> Papa: unity is getting faster with each release
[13:54] <designbybeck_> I'm trying to make an automated install of ppas and files
[13:55] <designbybeck_> not sure if you can add the -y for the add-apt-repository to get it to be automated
[13:55] <Papa> phoronix says it is slower than kde
[13:55] <Rallias> phoronix focuses on high end hardware.
[13:56] <Rallias> With regular hardware you see with most users, you're likely going to not see that exasperated a difference.
[13:59] <kroson> designbybeck_: i'm not sure, maybe you could try to add one manually and check out :)
[13:59] <designbybeck_> hmmm
[13:59] <designbybeck_> ok kroson
[14:02] <designbybeck_> also release party @ #ubuntu-release-party ;)
[14:13] <kroson> For people here that plan to use Ubuntu as main OS and Windows for gaming, what % of your disk do you give to your NTFS partition(s)? Thank you
[14:16] <Papa> core 2 duo cpu is not high end
[14:17] <kroson> Papa: for linux it is more than enough xD
[14:18] <Papa> yea but gaming performance is also slow in unity
[14:18] <Papa> they should get rid of compiz
[14:18] <lanoxx> afaik unity it self is slow
[14:18] <Papa> what i don't like abt unity u cannot customize the panel
[14:19] <Papa> it is fixed
[14:19] <BluesKaj> kroson, % isn't the right measure , an actual number gigs are required for OSs to run properly
[14:19] <Papa> kde 4.9 has improved a lot
[14:20] <Papa> it is funny yesterday kubuntu website said kubuntu 12.10 available for download
[14:20] <Papa> lol
[14:20] <kroson> Papa: use kde then xD. No one will tell you that you are "less ubuntu user" if you use it
[14:20] <kroson> By the way, i'm planning to give it a try too after testing unity
[14:20] <Papa> i like kde the best honestly
[14:20] <Papa> kwin is looking good
[14:20] <kroson> Papa: you could also use gnome fallback, or cinnamon, if you like the "gnome way" but don't like gnome 3 or unity
[14:21] <Papa> i like cinnamon also
[14:21] <Papa> unity is cool too but am a bit uncomfortable with gnome shell and unity
[14:21] <frybye> is there a # for the quantal release celebrations...?
[14:22] <frybye> .. and or count-down...?
[14:22] <Papa> btw cinnamon's new file manager nemo is looking good
[14:23] <Papa> KDE 4.9 with suspend effects on full-screen windows and GNOME Shell were by far the fastest desktops for the old OpenArena game. GNOME Classic, Xfce 4.10, and LXDE 0.5 were all much faster too than the default Unity
[14:23] <kroson> Papa: aims to be the better GTK based file manager, let's see xD
[14:23] <kroson> better as in "most featured"
[14:25] <frybye> this is a bit odd - I remember a bit back when an ubuntu release was a big deal - now nobody cares a damn or what?
[14:25] <jStefan> :o  I care
[14:25] <frybye> jStefan: good - that makes 2 of us I guess... heheh
[14:26] <Papa> i care bcoz lts releases does not work for me
[14:26] <Papa> lol
[14:26] <jStefan> frybye are you in the release party channel?
[14:26] <Papa> some say release after lts are good 10.10 xD
[14:26] <frybye> jStefan: no what exactly is it called...?
[14:26] <frybye> I have been looking for one?
[14:27] <jStefan> frybye ubuntu-release-party
[14:27] <frybye> good - c u there...
[14:27] <kroson> Papa: why don't LTS releases work for you?
[14:27] <Papa> i had a bug with r8169 driver
[14:50] <g0bl1n> setting an Online Account makes it available for what ? What is the IM client by default ? Empathy ?
[14:54] <kroson> g0bl1n: yes
[14:55] <kroson> but you can install pidgin, it's in the repositories
[15:01] <gregL> Would anyone know if gnome classic is going to be available in 12.10?
[15:01] <Papa> yea
[15:01] <Papa> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/ReleaseNotes/12.10Beta gregl
[15:02] <gregL> Papa, Thanks for the link..
[15:02] <Papa> np mate
[15:11] <DonkeyHotei> what time is the release?
[15:12] <Daekdroom> !when | DonkeyHotei
[15:12] <DonkeyHotei> so, not today?
[15:12] <tsimpson> sometime today
[15:13] <DonkeyHotei> there was always a set time for past releases
[15:14] <DonkeyHotei> not anymore?
[15:15] <BluesKaj> DonkeyHotei, not with last few ,,we had the same situation with 12.04 .."are we there yet " :)
[15:15] <Papa> when will ubuntu 12.10 be available for download ? man it is 18 already
[15:16] <tsimpson> DonkeyHotei: there was never a time set for past releases, ever
[15:16] <Daekdroom> According to #ubuntu-release-party, "Ubuntu 12.10 will release sometime before the clock strikes 23:59:59 on Baker and Howland Islands on the 18th!  If there were any clocks there.", Papa
[15:16] <kroson> Papa: it is morning in many places in the world. Look, people in australia or japan are getting it on the 19th, that's unfair xD
[15:17] <Papa> haha
[15:20] <DonkeyHotei> so, for me, before 5am tomorrow morning
[15:20] <DonkeyHotei> thx
[15:21] <kroson> Papa: go to #ubuntu-release-party
[15:29] <Bhavesh> where's the counter for ubuntu 12.10?
[15:30] <Bhavesh> I guess its released..
[15:30] <Papa> #ubuntu-release-party bhavesh
[15:30] <potofcoffee> update-manager -d still gives me a beta warning. Is quantal out now or not yet?
[15:32] <tsimpson> potofcoffee: when you see it announced on ubuntu.com, that's when it's released
[15:32] <potofcoffee> Any idea when that will be?
[15:33] <genii-around> Sometime in the next 8 1/2 hours
[15:33] <Papa> http://releases.ubuntu.com/12.10/
[15:33] <potofcoffee> Guess i'll have to be patient then :-S
[15:33] <Papa> it is out guys
[15:33] <potofcoffee> Papa: But not on the apt channels yet?
[15:34] <Daekdroom> Papa, no, it isn't.
[15:34] <Papa> ubuntu-12.10-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent
[15:34] <Daekdroom> It's out when the mirrors are synced.
[15:34] <Daekdroom> Downloading it now will only slow down that process.
[15:34] <Papa> how many hrs should i wat dude
[15:36] <kroson> Papa: you should leave and come back sometime later. You are getting ill :)
[15:37] <Papa> i am not ill
[15:37] <Papa> syncing mirrors
[15:38] <Papa>  ubuntu-12.10-desktop-amd64.iso
[15:46] <Ashael> hello
[16:03] <Trev_> Lol they banned me from Ubuntu-release-party for sharing the Direct Link that Ubuntu.com points to for the .Iso files.
[16:03] <Trev_> http://mirror.bytemark.co.uk/ubuntu-releases// - Direct link
[16:03] <Trev_> quantal/                18-Oct-2012 16:10    -   Ubuntu 12.10 (Quantal Quetzal)
[16:03] <Trev_> That's today
[16:03] <Trev_> http://mirror.bytemark.co.uk/ubuntu-releases//quantal/
[16:05] <skrishna> Can anyone please confirm Kubuntu-12.10-beta2 installation & boot on UEFI machines ?
[16:06] <skrishna> My machine with Kubuntu-12.10-beta2 hangs after once I try to boot after installation @ "Loading initial Ramdisk "
[16:06] <skrishna> on UEFI
[16:08] <dury> hi there channel :-)
[16:08] <BluesKaj> !UEFI | skrishna
[16:09] <dury> would it be by default xscreensaver in 12.10 release?
[16:09] <BluesKaj> hmm , thought there was a factoid
[16:09] <G__81> is 12.10 getting released today ?
[16:10] <dury> BluesKaj: you are telling me that?
[16:11] <BluesKaj> dury , no , I was musing
[16:11] <dury> G__81: xscreensaver in 12.10 what's your opinion?
[16:12] <G__81> dury: i didnt get you
[16:12] <G__81> i have not used 12.10 but want to know whether its getting released today ?
[16:13] <BluesKaj> dury, , the xscrnsvr still has to be installed from the repos
[16:13] <dury> G__81: right.. I see
[16:14] <dury> BluesKaj: until 11.10 it was xscreensaver
[16:14] <BluesKaj> dury, it still is
[16:14] <dury> BluesKaj: or 11.04
[16:16] <dury> BluesKaj: but you have to install it... it doesn't come by default like before ones
[16:17] <dury> BluesKaj: do you understand what I mean?
[16:17] <BluesKaj> yes , just install it with your package manager , dury
[16:18] <BluesKaj> or apt-get
[16:21] <dury> BluesKaj: have you got xscreensaver installed in your 12.04 release?
[16:22] <BluesKaj> dury, no I use my own photos in the screensaver
[16:23] <BluesKaj> same in 12.10
[16:23] <skrishna> Though 12.04 kubuntu UEFI worked flawlessly.. :-(
[16:27] <BluesKaj> dury oops sorry I doo have xscreensaver installed on 12.10 but not on 12.04
[16:28] <dury> BluesKaj: would you please assist to install properly xscreensaver, :-)?
[16:29] <BluesKaj> dury, it rarely starts because I have it set for 40 mins and usally if I'm going to be away for more then 20 mins I turn the monitor off
[16:29] <BluesKaj> dury, , open a terminal , sudo apt-get install xscreensaver
[16:31] <dury> BluesKaj: but first should I remove gnome-xscreensaver, before that?
[16:32] <BluesKaj> if you wish dury , probly a good isea
[16:33] <BluesKaj> idea
[16:33] <BluesKaj> I have to leave for a while ...BBL
[16:33] <dury> all right... take care :-)
[16:51] <kroson_> Is unity in 12.10 better (faster) for games?
[16:58] <mhall119> bobweaver: ping
[17:00] <ac_> is OUT !!!
[17:02] <esteeven> Yep. It's there. It is out.
[17:10] <kroson_> Is it true that kernel 3.5 won't be supported any longer? And upgrade to 3.6 is advised? Please someone answer. Thank you
[17:16] <kroson_> someone change the topic xD
[17:17] <yofel> kroson_: well, from an ubuntu point of view 3.5 will very much be supported.
[17:17] <yofel> for 18 months that is
[17:17] <kroson_> yofel: upgrading to 3.6 is a safe procedure?
[17:18] <yofel> I don't see 3.6 in the archive. There are mainline builds, but those aren't supported
[17:19] <Daekdroom> !kernel
[17:19] <Daekdroom> !mainline
[17:19] <BarkingFish> evening guys - I just got pinged to say Quantal has been released - now I have apper set to dl updates in the background - is it possible to do the same with Quantal?  My net connection is atrocious and I'm not gonna be able to do an OTA update.
[17:20] <Daekdroom> "Building and using a custom kernel will make it very difficult to get support for your system.While it is a learning experience to compile your own kernel, you will not be allowed to file bugs on the custom-built kernel " That's what I was trying to find.
[17:28] <BarkingFish> Anyone able to say yay or nay to the question I asked?  If I have to do the update over my net connection, I'm sunk.
[17:30] <yofel> BarkingFish: not sure, but you may ask in #kubuntu too now ;)
[17:31] <BarkingFish> It's just a bit tricky, the connection is quite poor - and I would be lost if my upgrade broke in the middle, yofel.
[17:31] <BarkingFish> I don't suppose I could download an ISO and upgrade directly from that, could I? That'd reinstall the whole OS wouldn't it?
[17:31] <yofel> well, that has nothing to do with downloading. Everything is downloaded before anything is updated
[17:32] <yofel> the alternate cd could do that to some extent, but we dropped those
[17:32] <BarkingFish> right - so it would download all the packages before it even attempted to begin upgrading, right?
[17:33] <yofel> yes, but I don't remember when the prompt is. I think it'll automatically start updating once it finishes downloading
[17:33] <BarkingFish> why did you drop them?
[17:33] <yofel> less images to maintain
[17:33] <BarkingFish> Something like that could have been useful :(
[17:33] <tsimpson> it is probably still more efficient (in regard to network usage) to upgrade normally, rather than with a CD/ISO
[17:34] <BarkingFish> cutbacks everywhere these days... i don't know :P
[17:34] <Ian_Corne> if you update your sources.list manually, there's an option for apt to only download
[17:34] <Ian_Corne>        -d, --download-only
[17:34] <Ian_Corne>            Download only; package files are only retrieved, not unpacked or
[17:34] <Ian_Corne>            installed. Configuration Item: APT::Get::Download-Only.
[17:35] <BarkingFish> well I'd better get started then. If it doesn't upgrade until it's gotten all the files, I'm fine.
[17:35] <BarkingFish> see you on the other side :)
[17:36] <genii-around> If you have an earlier iso just use zsync
[18:20] <johnjohn101> !releaseparty
[18:20] <johnjohn101> is there a release party channel?
[18:21] <oscalation> #ubuntu-release-party
[18:21] <johnjohn101> thanks
[18:22] <johnjohn101> good luck with 13.04!
[18:29] <Ian_Corne> lets get this rolling!
[18:30] <johnjohn101> thanks for all the work for 12.10.
[18:40] <nbf> guys, I think ubuntu should warn you when you're using the llvmpipe software rasterizer
[18:41] <nbf> it should pop up a dialog that you're running in low performance mode
[18:41] <nbf> I just upgraded my macbook with an nvidia gpu
[18:41] <nbf> I had to manually delete the nvidia-current package to upgrade it to 12.10
[18:41] <nbf> so by default it was using nouveau I think
[18:41] <nbf> not the nvidia blob
[18:42] <nbf> and performance was actually okayish with llvmpipe but I knew what was going on
[18:42] <nbf> most non technical users would just think ubuntu sucks
[19:07] <BluesKaj> odd , I must have had the "official release" already installed , absolutely no updates/upgrades/dist-upgrade since yesterday
[19:11] <Ian_Corne> that's a good sign :)
[19:12] <jtaylor> enable proposed
[19:12] <jtaylor> there should be some stuff in there
[19:19] <BluesKaj> i don't use a package manager , except for reference
[19:19] <jtaylor> ?
[19:20] <jtaylor> which distribution has no package manager?
[19:20] <bekks> LFS. :)
[19:26] <BluesKaj> ok let me qualify that , I don't use a GUI , I know what dpkg is and apt-get
[19:26] <jtaylor> so? I use the terminal too
[19:27] <BluesKaj> and suggesting proposed repos is not good advice
[19:27] <jtaylor> for +1 it is
[19:27] <jtaylor> this is a testing channel
[19:28] <BluesKaj> let's not split hairs , 12.10 is official
[19:28] <jtaylor> technically this channel is for 13.04 now
[19:29] <jtaylor> which also has a proposed repository
[19:29] <jtaylor> -proposed for +1 was added this cycle
[19:29] <jtaylor> its used during freezes and for invasive transitions
[19:31] <BluesKaj> jtaylor, ok , nevermind...blah blah blah :)
[19:37] <BluesKaj> so where is 13.04 available then, if this is the support channel ?
[19:38] <jtaylor> this channel normally gets closed until its open
[19:39] <jtaylor> though Q was open very early I think
[19:39] <jtaylor> before the uds
[19:39] <jtaylor> well see
[19:43] <BarkingFish> haha :)  Not quite on the other side yet.  I knew my connection was bad, yofel - but this takes the cake!  1630 files to dl, my upgrade's been running 2 hours and it reckons it'll be finished in another 8 :P
[19:44] <jtaylor> use debian, they have delta upgradse :)
[19:46] <BarkingFish> nope, I'm kubuntu all the way.  Too far into it now to go changing OS again
[19:51] <Ian_Corne> BarkingFish: well, just let it run it's course :)
[19:52] <BarkingFish> it is doing - looks like it might have just been a little netsnot.  I'm up to 929 packages now, and its only got another ±30 mins to run :)
[19:53] <BluesKaj> BarkingFish, there are some major changes to KDE as well as the ubuntu
[19:53] <BluesKaj> ubuntu base , that is
[19:54] <BarkingFish> what changes to KDE?
[19:56] <BluesKaj> the KDE versions for one
[19:57] <BarkingFish> i wish apper wouldn't keep screaming at me to upgrade - i'm already upgrading :P
[19:57] <BarkingFish> So what have they done with them, BluesKaj?
[19:58] <BluesKaj> here are the kubuntu release notes , that'll explain it https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseNotes/Kubuntu
[19:59] <BarkingFish> ok, cheers :)
[20:52] <dupondje> When Is Raring archive open ? ;)
[20:58] <Logan_> And a branch appears! :O https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu/raring
[21:49] <BarkingFish> Yay!  I am upgraded, finally.  4 hours after I started :P
[21:49] <BarkingFish> I have only one probelm, which I'm thinking might need the hand of someone to look over.  What do you do if you have something installed which *should* upgrade*, but which doesn't?
[21:49] <BarkingFish> *Problem
[21:50] <BarkingFish> I had ndiswrapper as the dkms module on here, and when I booted into the new kernel, ndiswrapper is not there.  I have had to fall back to the old kernel to get on the net.
[21:55] <BarkingFish> it looks like ndiswrapper hasn't built for the 3.5.0-17 kernel
[21:56] <jtaylor> you could try --reinstall
[21:58] <BarkingFish> i know there's a command for building dkms modules, but I don't know how to use it.
[22:01] <BarkingFish> ok, well I'll have to try and see if I can fiddle with ndiswrapper to get it to work.  I need it up or I can't get on the net - that's why I dropped back to the old kernel, cause it's the last one ndiswrapper built for :)
[22:01] <BarkingFish> see you guys in a while
[23:49] <Daekdroom> Oh well.. In a few days #ubuntu+1 is going to redirect to #ubuntu , isn't it?
[23:49] <Daekdroom> That always makes me feel sad.