[00:00] I had a few problems with nvidia driver, but I've sorted it out... :) [00:00] I've had a ton of problems with the new version of grub2 breaking personally :S [00:01] :( [00:02] I don't know what they changed from 1.99 to 2.00 but it seems like things are completely different now. [00:08] Is there anything external in Quantal that controls GRUB? [00:08] Any files that override everything I do to theme it? [00:08] Or edit it? [00:09] somethingoranoth: the config files :d [00:09] I don't know :d [00:10] I've been trying everything I can think of and everything either fails, breaks grub completely or makes Ubuntu fail to boot. [00:11] Right now I'd just like to be able to unhide grub. [00:11] GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0 [00:11] changing that does nothing [00:11] GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET=true [00:12] changing that makes ubuntu boot with a permanent purple splash screen and forces me to purge and reinstall grub if I want to be able to boot properly again [00:12] any ideas? [00:15] <_< [00:15] >_> [00:15] <_> [00:18] somethingoranoth: I think I just set /etc/default/grub GRUB_TIMEOUT=0 [00:20] !isitout [00:20] Nope, it's not out. - http://bit.ly/Wdxvys !party in #ubuntu-release-party [00:23] grub_timeout=0 just caused grub to hang... [00:28] hi [00:57] Can I snag someone for a simple test? [00:57] especially someone who uses terminator terminal emulator? [01:07] Nevermind, haha, I found the bug report from when I was trying to debug this last time and found my own comment that I had completely forgotten that has the workaround. [01:17] just an fyi, kernel panics are now less-informative at boot time. [01:17] 12.04 gave me http://imgur.com/u4Fnk and 12.10 gives the more-concise http://imgur.com/kbl67 [01:18] prior to 12.04, the behavior appears the same as 12.04 === IdleOne is now known as RaringOne [02:37] Anyone here who can help with a weird (at least to me) Java issue? [02:38] bjrohan: not noticed anything - explain? [02:39] btw - when is the release? [02:39] For a webstie I help with, they have a plug0in screencast recoder, prior to me doing a wipe of 12.04 and installin 12.10 BETA 1 I could use it. Now when I go it says it can't detect Java. [02:39] I go to the plugin makers page screenr, it works just fine. [02:40] I go to the screenr get java page, and it can't detect Java on my system, however, from that exact page I can do a screencast recording (these are all done online via java, nothing installed on system) [02:41] frybye: in the next 36-48 hours [02:41] !schedule [02:41] A schedule of Quantal Quetzal (12.10) release milestones can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseSchedule [02:41] what happens when you install jre? [02:42] Forgive me I am new. JRE is the standard download from Java correct? [02:43] well I guess so - I am not all that clued myself... [02:44] default jre is installed as well as open jdk-7 [02:44] 6 and 7 I think [02:44] well, hopefully my screenshots prove helpful to someone. for all i know, it's intentional, though. *shrug* [02:44] yes 6 annd 7 [02:46] bjrohan: perhaps sbdy else has a better grasp of this... [02:47] RaringOne: RelewaseSchedule just says "18th Oct." here in cent. Europe it's that now.. [02:48] in my settings/information it says 12.10 right now - so I was not so sure... [02:48] this channel is now pointless for 1 hour [02:48] frybye: it is still the 17th here :) [02:48] until 13.4 is alpha is released [02:48] bjrohan, Hehe that will get you help. [02:49] bjrohan: that is what I was kinda thinking... [02:49] not for no help, just because beta is n longer [02:49] openjdk is the default java provider [02:49] bjrohan: just a matter of nomenclature... [02:49] yeppers [02:50] i don't think partner has the oracle java anymore [02:50] you can open a terminal and do java -version [02:51] java version "1.7.0_07" [02:51] OpenJDK Runtime Environment (IcedTea7 2.3.2) (7u7-2.3.2a-1ubuntu1) [02:51] OpenJDK Server VM (build 23.2-b09, mixed mode) [02:51] that's what it should be [02:53] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java [02:53] that page will tell you all you need to know [02:54] I have icedtea 6 & 7 installed. Why would the website say that I don't have it yet still run (maker of the product) while the site I need it to work on it won't [02:55] possibly a bug in icedtea or openjdk at large [02:55] It had worked fine when I just had 12.4, went to 12.10 then fubar [02:55] you might need oracle's package [02:56] gotcha [02:56] but they junked up the license [02:59] I have one other issue, I can't get videos to play. in Dragon Player to play a .mov I need a h.264 codec, understandable, it searches for packages, finds gstream0.10-ffmpeg. I can't install it du to dependency issues, I have traced it all the way back to a required libx-120 package where I have -123 installed. This is also required for ffMPEG which I would like to install [02:59] install ubuntu-restricted-extras [03:00] you can have multiple libx264 packages on one system at the same time [03:02] Will give that a try [03:09] ahh, when I look for libx264-120, I can't find it in the package manager, even after adding the restricted addons [03:12] it's libav now, not ffmpeg [03:13] so install libav source package? === SolidLiq is now known as CodeGuru [03:14] you can purge the -120 package [03:15] -120 was precise, quantal is up to -123 [03:18] but the items I want to install require -120. I already have -123 installed [03:19] no they don't [03:20] then why do they say they do? [03:21] you've got precise stuff in there somewhere [03:21] -120 would not be referenced in quantal [03:21] i've got all of this stuff you're talking about, except dragon player because i wouldn't be caught dead using kde [03:22] What would you recommend I use? It matters not to me, I am new [03:22] you upgraded from precise right? [03:24] yes [03:24] NO [03:24] I had precise, I backed up my home dir, erased and installed 12.10 beta 1 [03:25] I want to install ffmpeg to do screen recording, ffmpeg gives me the same error messages [03:25] ok, it's libav in ubuntu [03:26] attempt to install ubuntu-restricted-extras and pastebin the result [03:27] it is installed [03:27] then do install --reinstall [03:27] or remove and isntall again [03:27] ok [03:28] how do I do that via command, I am using package manager to do all this [03:28] I have no libav installed, I see a libav-source, install that? [03:29] sudo apt-get install --reinstall ubuntu-restricted-extras [03:30] Done, it installed, and gave this recommended package - gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse libavcodec-extra-53 [03:31] install those two [03:31] then try playing this mov file [03:31] tried doing gstreamer, says it can't because it needs libmjpegtools-1.9 [03:32] that can't be done, it needs: libquicktime2 [03:32] that could not be installed it needs libavcodec53 [03:33] libavcodec-extra-53 could not be installed it needs guess what? libx264-120 [03:33] :( [03:33] weird [03:33] nothing in quantal depends on that [03:34] apparently ffmpeg does [03:34] you have ffmpeg installed? [03:34] no it doesn't [03:35] then why do I get that message trying to install it? [03:35] bjrohan, don't take my word for it, look for yourself: http://packages.ubuntu.com/quantal/libavcodec-extra-53 [03:35] it depends on -123 [03:36] yep [03:36] why would it ask? Hmm [03:37] I installed 12.10 Beta 1 fresh [03:38] nor does libavcodec53 need it [03:39] poop [03:42] bjrohan, somehow you must have a precise package in there if it's asking for precise's libx264 [03:42] How would I check, and remove it? [03:42] asking for it, but I have -123 installed :-( [03:42] bjrohan, have you tried apt-get -f install apt-get dist-upgrade? [03:43] will try it [03:43] says unable to locate, and my package manager is shut off [03:44] I typed sudo apt-get -f install apt-get dist-upgrade [03:45] brb [03:49] I think that command is flawed. [03:49] Just saying. [03:54] I am still trying the upgrade command, it is giving me errors [03:54] sudo apt-get -f install apt-get dist-upgrade correct? [03:55] no [03:55] what is it? [03:55] -f install and dist-upgrade are separate commands [03:56] ok [03:57] I separated them, nothing changed, cept it said I could autoremove some packages,when I tried, it said I couldn't do it [03:57] why not? [03:58] my fault typed apt-ger [03:58] autoremoce [03:58] autoremove [03:58] it workd and is removing them [03:58] perhaps that will help? [04:02] Grrr [04:02] no go [04:02] still requesting the -120 version [04:05] well have you been doing your daily updates? [04:07] Yep, several times a day [04:07] you don't seem familiar with some of the basic debian/ubuntu commands, so isn't it possible you didn't do your wipe/reload correctly? [04:10] Perhaps. My comp was dual boot with windows. I backed up home dir, booted from live CD, formatted entire drive and installed [05:08] What time is released quantal? [05:09] !isitout [05:09] Nope, it's not out. - http://bit.ly/Wdxvys !party in #ubuntu-release-party [06:03] hey quick question [06:03] If I remove lightdm and install gdm will it automatically switch to it on the next reboot or do I need to do anything else? [06:57] I feel like a broken record asking this but how does one unhide Grub2 permanently on Quantal? [06:57] I've tried everything I can think of and nothing's been working. [06:58] and of course you're all afk [07:01] somethingoranoth, edit /etc/default/grub and .. [07:01] GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=10 [07:01] GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET=false [07:01] then "sudo update-grub" [07:01] I've done that 2-3 times now. It remains hidden and the rest of the boot process fails. [07:05] okay I'm back again [07:05] rebooted tried what you said [07:05] no grub [07:06] only a timer counting down from ten after which point it continued to boot [07:06] it boots fine but I only see said timer [07:07] when you see the timer hit the arrow keys. [07:08] I know how to unhide it. I'd prefer it not be hidden by default though. [07:08] Is there no way to do that? [07:08] yes, by setting GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=10 and GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET=false [07:09] I did that and it showed the timer I specified above. It didn't unhide it... [07:10] okay [07:11] in the documentation itself GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=10 sets the timer to 10 [07:11] GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET=false does nothing but show said timer [07:11] it doesn't effect grub being hidden [07:12] thing is I don't know what would then [07:13] there's a lot of documentation... [07:17] anyone? [07:17] :C [07:23] people started spamming 'when' yet? [07:23] a few here and there [07:25] !isitout | md_5 [07:25] md_5: Nope, it's not out. - http://bit.ly/Wdxvys !party in #ubuntu-release-party [07:25] :P [07:25] somethingoranoth: I personally just removed both HIDDEN options from etc/default/grub. Now I get normal grub with GRUB_TIMEOUT as timeout [07:25] :P [07:26] if that works... [07:26] >_> [07:26] <_< [07:28] !when [07:29] ubottu: when is when it is ready. [07:29] I'll remember that, RaringOne [07:30] * somethingoranoth crosses fingers [07:30] the unhide worked [07:30] the theming... [07:30] not so much :C [07:30] still C: [07:30] THANK YOU SO MUCH ()_() === yofel_ is now known as yofel [07:33] yofel: real quick can you think of any reason this might not work? http://pastebin.com/jKetHQjU [07:33] specifically the background image and colors [07:38] any ideas? [07:40] 3: [07:42] OH MY GOD [07:42] okay so apparently the color's controlled under /lib/plymouth/themes/default.gru [07:42] grub [07:42] default.grub [07:44] yeah, the theming is a bit weird, see /etc/grub.d/05_debian_theme [07:44] What is plymouth anyway? [07:44] the app that shows the boot splash and lets you talk to the system services during boot [07:44] oh [07:46] hopefuly with this I will have purged the last of the purple menace from my system XD [07:47] what happens if I remove the quiet and splash flags completely? is it bad if there are no flags there to speak of? [07:47] well, you'll get the old-school text messages during boot [07:47] that's all [07:48] Okay. [07:48] See I've been having a ton of trouble that forced me to question everything I know. Now I don't really know what was happening anymore. [07:48] quiet hides them, and splash shows the boot splash [07:49] Really by this point I think the boot process hangs if I hit any keys during it for some reason. [07:49] though that doesn't really make sense... [07:50] now its not booting again ._. [07:50] it just hangs at what used to be a purple screen before I changed it to black [07:51] oh there we go [07:51] it hung the first couple of times [07:51] I don't even know what's wrong anymore... ;^; [07:52] oh well as long as it works :S [07:52] I... [07:52] that's a bad motto [07:56] now I just need to get my volume keys working and I'm done [07:57] ^.^ [08:05] are there no alsa modules provided for 3.5.0-17-generic in the ubuntu-audio-dev ppa? [08:27] how late come ubuntu 12.10 [08:28] Back with another question >_> [08:28] Not getting any sound in Ubuntu [08:28] how late come ubuntu 12.10 [08:29] how late come ubuntu 12.10 [08:30] how late come ubuntu 12.10 [08:30] how late come ubuntu 12.10 :-S [08:31] anyone care to help a gu figure out why Ubuntu's not detecting a soundcard [08:31] how late come ubuntu 12.10 [08:31] pavucontrol says its outputting to a dummy [08:31] and... [08:31] nootje: when it is ready [08:31] http://pastebin.com/hnrZa4x5 [08:32] !party | nootje [08:32] nootje: Please remember that #ubuntu, #kubuntu, #xubuntu, #edubuntu, and #lubuntu are support channels. To countdown to !Quantal release and then party once it happens, join #ubuntu-release-party - For in-person parties, see http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/1995/detail/ [08:32] oke [08:32] nootje: i'm curious too, but it doesnt help, if you ask it ten times ;) [08:32] anyone here have any idea what's wrong? [08:33] is it normal, that the quantal-desktop image needs 800mb on the CD? and is there an offical RC? [08:34] µ/join #ubuntu-release-party [08:35] hi folks, when I tried to upgrade my netbook to quantal from precise, it stopped before finishing the upgrade, and now will not boot [08:36] is there any interest in error messages and such, or shall I just install from a thumbdrive? [08:36] hi, has 12.10 become available for download? [08:36] I didn't want to go ahead and do that if there is QA interest [08:37] quantal beta, I should specify [08:39] minas | !schedule [08:39] ah [08:39] ah [08:39] minas | !schedule [08:39] sorry, I didn't understand that [08:39] oh, foo [08:39] !schedule [08:39] A schedule of Quantal Quetzal (12.10) release milestones can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseSchedule [08:40] minas: ^^^ [08:40] trouble typing tonight [08:40] it says it's today [08:42] I have a question how late ubuntu 12.10 from [08:43] how late??! what's that supposed to mean? [08:43] I was under the impression that 12.10 is out today. [08:43] is it? [08:43] Gabriel_SOE: not yet. [08:44] what is the release time of ubuntu 12.10 [08:46] I have a question how late ubuntu 12.10 from [08:46] I have a question how late come ubuntu 12.10 from [08:47] !schedule | nootje [08:47] nootje: A schedule of Quantal Quetzal (12.10) release milestones can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseSchedule [08:48] oke [08:48] nootje: http://askubuntu.com/q/65476/25798 [08:48] oke [08:57] ok, if no interest in the upgrade errors, I'll just install from the thumbdrive [09:02] hi, does anybody know when 12.10 will be available for download [09:03] !schedule | scoundrel [09:03] scoundrel: A schedule of Quantal Quetzal (12.10) release milestones can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseSchedule [09:05] Hi thanks for that, I understood it was today, but havent been able to find a download link yet which was why I was asking, thankyou though [09:05] scoundrel: see also http://askubuntu.com/q/65476/25798 [09:08] jokerdino: that was very helpful and funny too, thank you [09:08] no problem. :) [09:10] i [09:10] hu [09:10] hi [09:10] o/ [09:10] Quick question. I'm running Quantal with Openbox and Pulseaudio. Currently pavucontrol shows that the only sound output is a dummy card but when I run sudo aplay -l my soundcard shows up. Any ida what might be wrong? [09:16] anyone? [09:17] What time will Ubuntu 12.10 be released at? [09:18] bkeith: http://askubuntu.com/q/65476/25798 and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseSchedule [09:22] It says on 18 oct (what time) [09:26] If I'm using a custom .xinitrc script on startup is there anything I need to add to get audio working in Ubuntu? [09:26] killer_: http://askubuntu.com/q/65476/25798 [09:27] :) [09:31] you know for a support channel its hard to get help here... [09:32] this is more like a discussion channel. [09:32] Well I get yelled at to go here when I ask for help in #Ubuntu. [09:32] :S [09:32] what? [09:32] that IS the support chan [09:33] O [09:33] folks at #ubuntu don't like pre-released versions :) [09:33] I'm using Quantal. They usually just yell at me to ask here because they "can't help me" [09:33] folks at #ubuntu don't like much of anything actually [09:33] somethingoranoth: try ubuntuforums Ubuntu+1 section or askubuntu.com [09:33] they're quite rude [09:33] well [09:33] the ones I've encountered at least [09:34] whatever it is I'm off for the night, I've fixed everything except the fact that I'm not getting any audio by this point... :L [09:34] good night. :) [09:34] 's true that this is the chan for alpha and beta releases [10:44] Howdy, is there some simple way to get grub2 (12.10) config more like the one in 12.04? Basically, tell you more than just "Ubuntu"? [10:47] TheDrums: what does the 12.10 config look like [10:48] ikonia: Top item is "Ubuntu", next is "Ubuntu Advanced Options" (Or close to it) and since /boot/grub/grub.cfg is regenerated every time... Also, /etc/default/grub did not change from 12.04 to 12.10. [10:49] hi :) [10:51] I've a little (I hope :P ) problem. I've just upgraded from Ubuntu 12.04 to Ubuntu 12.10, I have a Nvidia GeForce GT 640 graphic card (not supported by default on 12.04, but perfectly working with X-Swat PPA drivers) and I'm using the same driver version I was using before: 304.51 (if I remember correctly). The problem is that the maximum resolution is now 1024x768 while it was 1680x1050 before. How can I fix this? P.s: the Nvidia driver is in use [10:51] (reading the Nvidia Settings panel). Thanks. [11:10] :D any info about the remaining time until 12.10 hits the download page? I have some customers waiting for their laptops. [11:12] are you kidding me [11:12] you're basing "customer" on a non-set delivery date [11:14] rafaelement: it will be released as soon as it is ready to be released, you can wait for the announcement in #ubuntu-release-party [11:17] rafaelement: installing a zero day old untested release on customer laptops? err.. how about 12.04 LTS ? [11:23] "untested" [11:23] I think you just hit a lot of people's toes here :p [11:24] the msg stays the same though :) [11:31] Ah, solved my issue, but maybe in an unsupported manner. [11:46] hi, what time are the Ubuntu images going to be ready today? [11:46] lanoxx: there is no published time, just wait in #ubuntu-release-party for the announcement [11:57] Hello, is ubuntu 12.10 released in any server? [12:01] kroson: released? no.. it's not released (at least final release).. it's still alpha i do believe. [12:01] if you mean can you download it, yes. [12:01] http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/quantal/beta2 [12:01] hmm, guess it is beta. [12:04] so today is the releasing of ubuntu 12.10 [12:04] !out [12:04] !isitout [12:04] Nope, it's not out. - http://bit.ly/Wdxvys !party in #ubuntu-release-party [12:05] =)) [12:05] what's with the music ubottu? [12:06] !isitout [12:06] Nope, it's not out. - http://bit.ly/Wdxvys !party in #ubuntu-release-party [12:07] !isitout [12:14] !isitoutyet [12:14] Nope, it's not out. - http://bit.ly/Wdxvys !party in #ubuntu-release-party [12:20] !isitout [12:20] Nope, it's not out. - http://bit.ly/Wdxvys !party in #ubuntu-release-party [12:27] !isitout [12:27] Nope, it's not out. - http://bit.ly/Wdxvys !party in #ubuntu-release-party [12:39] !partytime [12:41] !isitout [12:41] Nope, it's not out. - http://bit.ly/Wdxvys !party in #ubuntu-release-party [12:55] !party [12:55] Please remember that #ubuntu, #kubuntu, #xubuntu, #edubuntu, and #lubuntu are support channels. To countdown to !Quantal release and then party once it happens, join #ubuntu-release-party - For in-person parties, see http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/1995/detail/ [12:56] eloo [12:56] Where is Ubuntu 12.10? It says October 18 it will be released! [12:57] today Slideshow: Say hello to Ubuntu 12.10 Linux [12:57] Cloud-Focused Ubuntu 12.10 ('Quantal Quetzal') Released [12:58] lts releases do not work for me [12:58] :( [13:02] Hi all [13:03] *it will [13:06] Where do I download them!?!?! [13:06] I want the release [13:07] !isitout [13:07] Nope, it's not out. - http://bit.ly/Wdxvys !party in #ubuntu-release-party [13:07] afaik the kubuntu 12.10 iso is out....where's the ubuntu one === IdleOne is now known as raringOne === raringOne is now known as RaringOne === zfze is now known as babalu [13:30] racho: where? [13:38] has 12.10 hit the download page yet? [13:38] im seeing news reports that it has, but im not seeing it [13:38] !isitout [13:38] Nope, it's not out. - http://bit.ly/Wdxvys !party in #ubuntu-release-party [13:38] time of upload the DVD's? [13:38] when they're done. [13:38] !when [13:38] when it is ready. [13:39] "Canonical has released both the server and desktop editions of 12.10 Ubuntu, which offers a glimpse of how this Linux distribution will evolve in the next few years." [13:39] why is there news report, all over the net already [13:39] http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9232544/Canonical_Ubuntu_12.10_brings_the_Internet_closer_to_the_desktop [13:40] needhelp1: because we put up the release notes as we work on them even before the release is official. [13:41] many articles, even on large reputable news sites, link to the ubuntu download page to "download now" [13:41] needhelp1: its not on the download page though. [13:41] right, which is my point [13:42] part of a successful release would include an orchestrated roll out with media. [13:42] needhelp1: PLEASE STOP [13:42] needhelp1: there has been no release announcment yet [13:42] hence why it's not available for download [13:42] I think it's media's incompetence. :p [13:42] Daekdroom: that [13:42] y'know, for linking it without checking whether it has been released or not. [13:43] Can anyone tell me approximately what time are the images of the DVD 12.10 [13:43]